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Item of interest on the agenda tonight:
- 10D. Imposing suburban conformity on Encinitas' historic neighborhoods.
Is anyone having trouble getting the meeting through Time Warner Cable tonight? The channel I normally watch it on is not coming in.
ReplyDeleteYes, I could not get it either. I'm calling TWC to see what's going on Would not want to miss my favorite reality weekly show.
DeleteMust be related to Viva attempt at censorship. It is a conspiracy!
DeleteIt completley froze a few times on my aol and had to refresh.
DeleteJohn Wayne movie on TMC... Tune in there, more interesting than this nonsense.
ReplyDelete6:24 Good one. I usually get the meetings on Channel 128 - it is missing in action.
ReplyDeleteTry online on the City's website.
ReplyDeleteoh thank you 6:34
ReplyDeleteagenda item #10A - Spec builder Terramar Partners LLC in Encinitas. Things changed in topography height.
ReplyDeleteAnd Terramar slithers in....
ReplyDeleteWill we be hearing "good job Brownie?"
ReplyDeletePlanners looked mighty agitated when all the letters and conversations of years past were brought up. Murphy and Kusiak looked freaked.
ReplyDelete#10A - Pasco et al's recent measurements rule over natural slope. Previous Bend, OR attorney now an Encinitas infill developer?
ReplyDeleteThat is why it is important to not shred paper work that is important to a project. There is nothing in writing, no record of conversations and on and on. Yep, good job staff.
ReplyDeleteKusiak is the point man.
ReplyDeleteWhat was the Pasco fiasco mentioned on this blog weeks back?
ReplyDeleteNot sure, but It may have been when the buck was passed between Pasco and the City regarding WHO claimed the Coastal Commission restricted the "nusiance drain system" installed in Leucadia was limited to a 24" diameter pipe.
DeleteI seem to recall that Pasco and the city both claimed the CCC forbid anything pipe larger than 24", but then a letter from the CCC surfaced saying "We never said that", but neither Pasco nor the city were ever held accountable for the error. The problem resulting from that was of course that a larger pipe would have handled more storm water than it does now and that the CCC restriction had to have been misrepresented by someone. (They physics of a drain pipe is not too different from roads. Make them wider, more cars fill them and the flow becomes faster depending on how many times the water has to stop). The other problem was that there was one or more workers at the city who were trying to sabotage the drainage system according to the JPA. I was there when men from the Joint Powers Authority had to fix the drainage pump at Phoebe St. Only they and city workers had a key to the pump area. As they dismantled it, someone removed a softball from the inside that according to them had been deliberately placed inside the pump to screw it up. He added that the key portion of the pump was where a softball was impossible to be. He (not I) called it sabotage and was not happy about it. Even shortly after the new outfall pipe was installed near the Batiquitos, someone packed it with conrete chunks to inhibit flow! But back then also some were doing everything they could to "blight" Leucadia in order to usher in Redevelopment any way they could.
Fred, I'm not sure, about the physics of water pressure, but I don't know how much faster the water flow would be. But if the water pipe is larger, more water can flow through at one time.
DeleteOn a freeway, for example, the theory is that more lanes open it up, and allow traffic to flow faster. But what happens is that the freeway becomes filled up with a greater number of cars, and it doesn't actually flow any faster. Also, the speed limit is a limiting factor on roads and the freeway.
Sharrows on both sides of Highway 101, through Encinitas, have also helped to slow the flow of traffic, because the highway doesn't look as wide. Also, narrowing the lanes could help to slow traffic. The best solution might be speed tables, four lanes for motorists on our major arterial, and a bicycle lane in the RR right of way, as Carlsbad is installing, and as Cardiff will also be getting.
Whether there are roundabouts or not, riding bicycles directly on the highway isn't safe, for the bicyclists, in my opinion. I don't enjoy the risk. It's far safer if the bicycle lane is separated, as it is on the Highway in Cardiff, and as it will be, in Cardiff on the RR right of way.
At least you admit you don't know much ....
Delete#2 is Gus' choice. Revenue to the city, no guarantee where the money goes. He's nearly weeping with joy at the thought.
ReplyDeleteWe are wasting taxpayers $ on community character when it already exists? Unincorporate.... this is such a waste of time & energy!
ReplyDeleteOption # 6 .... bang your pots!
ReplyDeleteOption #7 .... Stop with the banging of your pots. It's old by now.
ReplyDeleteStaff recommendation is #3
ReplyDeleteI surprised Shaffer didn't ask what DG meant?
ReplyDeleteDG? Dump Gaspar
ReplyDeleteGaspar babbling about nonsense.
ReplyDeleteMascera is running....
Delete8:43 I think you are onto something . Love it.
ReplyDeleteWhat the hell? Why was the city not following the law? They should be fined or fired.
ReplyDeleteGranny Barth needs to ride her bike to the grocery store.
ReplyDeleteLikes turfblocks ... now that is old and dated thinking.
ReplyDeleteVina didn't get his way tonight......making progress.
ReplyDeleteTom Frank was good, when he finally got onto the topic of 10D. His photo presentation was excellent.
DeleteBut Frank's kissing up to Council, at the beginning, off topic, appeared to be obvious pandering, more obsequious compliments, and raving about how roundabouts, in general, are good, and now supported by CalTrans. Of course no one was able to debate that topic, pointing out narrow, one-lane T intersection roundabouts with no cross streets won't work on a Major Arterial, with thousands of residences and three beach accesses to the west, and RR tracks to the east of the highway. Because government agencies tout roundabouts as traffic calming, doesn't mean that a four lane highway should be bottlenecked down to one lane north bound and one lane southbound, particularly when no accurate base traffic surveys have been conducted during peak seasonal traffic periods.
Those listening in the audience, including the kind person who gave him a time donation, seemed to cringe, when Frank started lobbying for roundabouts.
Someone later suggested to me that Frank's "buttering up Council" may have helped Council to chose option 5, which we all favored. But to me, it didn't seem as though Frank finished his presentation, that he wasted too much time buttering Council up in order to push a roundabout propaganda agenda.
Again, that wasn't the topic! Moreover, he had a good presentation, and spent so much time talking about how CALTANS supports roundabouts, etc., that he ran out of time to speak about City standards for improvements by homeowners or developers, when constructing new build, or doing remodels, or infill redevelopment. Pretty much all the development in our city, now, could be considered "infill" development.
Hey guess what.... Roundabouts work.
DeleteNot on 101, through Leucadia, the won't.
DeleteNow they are talking about sound walls.... Where's Sheila?? Didn't she speak at the council meeti g several weeks ago saying she fears change ie; sound walls... But wasn't she on the council when the sound walls were constructed on Leucadia blvd??
ReplyDeleteMotion to continue council meeting until 10:30 pm... What all this means is more blah blah blah.
ReplyDeleteMan says NoCal nicer looking than SoCal...
ReplyDeleteLast 3 speakers supporting sound walls.....
ReplyDeleteMan calling for roundabout on Nolby dr in Cardiff.
ReplyDeleteNow a lady calling for sound walls.
Again Gasbag thanks staff for doing the job for which they are paid... She clearly running for mayor looking to grab the city staff union support. What a stooge....
ReplyDeleteDon't re- elect anyone.
that is funny - Gasbag
DeleteNow Barth thanking staff for doing the job for which they are being paid... Jeez. Clearly she is running for mayor, seeking the city staff union support.
ReplyDeleteDon't re-elect anyone.
10:30- no motion to extend meeting.
ReplyDeleteMotion to extend meeting by Kranz. Passes. What time wasters.
DeleteBarth itching back again. Those fleas must be awful.
ReplyDeleteMuir bangs microphone. Not as good as banging pots but he's trying.
ReplyDeleteBarth says how nice it is the city is holding meetings . Gaspar seconds. Gaspar wants to send you mailers telling you about sound walls. Gaspar thanks staff for giving her an answer... Shaffer concerned about empty baby stroller....
Shaffer went to Sandag meeting, went to Easter egg hunt.
Kranz went to nctd meeting , people jumping the tracks will be ticketed or fined or both. Bridge over enc blvd NOT to be replaced.... (Property owners there jumping up and down.)
Gaspar- waste water garden at treatment plant Encina, interesting they will water there own gardens but not city medians...
Muir announces he went to Encina meeting but says. No reason to talk about it.
Barth- ran with bulls at Easter.
Vina has nothig to say.
Sabine- nothing to say.
Barth closed meeting.
TV chanel jumps to Laurel and Hardy film. Finally something worth watching...
Stan eating chocolates.....
Ollie orders wine....wants to marry the barmaid.
Ollie rejected....
Stan walks into wall.
DeleteOllie wants to drown himself.
10:56 & 11:00
DeleteAnd then what happened?
Stan and Ollie join the French Foreign Legion. One of their best. Too bad council went over and we didn't see the start.
DeleteIs Shaffer alive or just brain impaired?
DeleteOn the appeal #10A - so what happens when a developer moves dirt around to level out a natural 10 % slope to slightly less than 10% to avoid the height restriction? Does the planning department tell the developer that is fine - natural slope is no longer used because the council approved moving dirt to cheat the neighbors out of their view?
ReplyDeletethe way it worked is if years ago your development was performed at 10% plus slope and you were limited in height the new developers arn't because 'erosion' has reduced the slope - see how it works?
DeleteThanks traffic engineer Tom Frank for your excellent presentation last night. Tom's an honest man with good illustrations regarding what preserves community character and what destroys it. His comments about roundabouts were very true, important and sincere.. Everyone one else who spoke made great points and spoke well encouraging council to choose 10D as well.
ReplyDeleteYup, the slope issue has come up many times. At the Shea development on Vulcan, they greatly raised the slope at the front of the lots to get above street level.
ReplyDeleteYes, they elevated the pads there, and previously, at the Barrett America project, off La Costa (before that developer went bankrupt) claiming, in that case, they needed to raise pads (a falsehood) for sewer gravity flow, when Leucadia Cares sued. Those pads were high above the natural grade, no argument, but the City used to claim that once something is on a subdivision map, that sets the new grade elevation, not the natural grade. My understanding is that Prop A has changed that. The Shea development, on Vulcan, already had raised pads before Prop A, unfortunately.
DeleteIn the case of Agenda Item 10A, staff is given too much discretion, particularly on projects that involve slope, that aren't first reviewed by the Planning Commission, but go directly to Council.
All the public speakers did a good job. Frank's comments about roundabouts are true for roundabouts IN GENERAL, but not true for the specific situation on Highway 101, through Leucadia. However, he didn't specifically address the "N101 Streetscape" one-lane T intersection roundabouts, so what he said about them was probably true. If people commuting on and living adjacent to Birmingham want them, and Caltrans is planning to install them, then more power to them.
ReplyDeleteWasn't Tom Frank the guy who flipped Tony off and said he had a bad temper, when our new our new Council Members were sworn in December of 2012, and Teresa finally became Mayor?
Last night, Frank swung the other way; he was a little obsequious in the beginning, but the meat and bones of his presentation was excellent, as I said. I think he wasted time bringing up roundabouts, because that wasn't the topic, nor was it related to the topic; it appeared to me that he ran out of time in showing his photo presentation, which was right on topic, and addressed right of way issues with regard to staff's past decisions making the streets look wider, which is not traffic calming. Remember, these are residential streets. Just putting Sharrows on both the east (northbound) and west (southbound) side of 101 has been traffic calming, too.
But if Frank's buttering up Council helped, I can see why he felt inclined to do that. But he could have done it without lobbying for roundabouts, which he knows is a contentious issue, and to which subject no public speakers had an opportunity to respond.
Yeah the roundabout bit was a little weird.
DeleteRoundabouts aren't weird, they work .
DeleteNot on 101 through Leucadia, they won't. LOL
Deletefor you Lynn. live and learn.
DeleteFunny, I drove through two this morning and two tonight with no delay below 20 mph. Where I did need to stop was at all the jacked up time wasting traffic signals.
Before speaking ignorantly, learn about the subject and the virtues and operations of modern day roundabouts to watch this video. I hope you have the ability to learn how to yield and go through a roundabout safely. If not, its probably time to give up your license before you kill some innocent kid walking to the beach.
http://www.ci.lacey.wa.us/city-government/city-departments/public-works/engineering-division/driving-modern-roundabouts
http://lacey.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?clip_id=53
Please learn how to Yield for everyones sake and use your turn signals just like any other intersection.
LOL is you have no logic and no ability to learn. Actually, I take it back. I think its sad. I hope you find peace in this life or the next.
DeleteLynn- get out of the way and then pull up a lawn chair and watch them work. Will you post on this blog how wrong you were?? I'm not holding my breath.....
DeleteJust for one post, I would love to see absolutely NOTHING about roundabouts. Is the possible, Lynn, Fred, and others? PLEASE! My sanity is at stake and I don't have Dr. Lori's number.
ReplyDeleteGet used to it or
Deleteget out of the kitchen.
LOL! Please see my comment at 5:46. Sorry about your sanity so fragile. I suggest you not participate here if you can so easily slip over the edge.
ReplyDeleteBut I agree, the topic seems to be obsessive with a few; I don't want to discuss the dreaded "r's" anymore, here, either.
7:21
ReplyDeleteIt's all up to the few here who are compelled to misrepresent those purdy circles. I merely respond. (How'm I doin' so far?)
I thought all speakers did a fine job. Better than I did…
ReplyDeleteI ask those that have difficulty understanding the virtues and operations of modern day roundabouts to watch this video. I hope you have the ability to learn how to yield and go through a roundabout safely. If not, its probably time to give up your license before you kill some innocent kid walking to the beach.
http://www.ci.lacey.wa.us/city-government/city-departments/public-works/engineering-division/driving-modern-roundabouts
http://lacey.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?clip_id=53
Please learn how to Yield for everyones sake and use your turn signals just like any other intersection.
Modern day r's may be fine and dandy, in other locations. I looked at the linked website, from the state of Washington, which diagrams are not applicable to the r's a small minority are attempting to force on the majority of adjacent residents, commuters and small businesses along North 101 (businesses on the west side, only), who don't want or need them.
ReplyDeleteTraffic is generally calmed, already, especially during peak periods. People are not usually speeding; traffic is often backed up. The speed limit has already been lowered to 35 MPH.
There will be a few tragedies wherever people drive. That's inevitable. We cannot have a "r" at every intersection.
Moreover, on the website linked, above, one is looking at four way intersections, with cross streets that actually cross the main thoroughfare, unlike here, where we have railroad tracks on one side. Only Leucadia Blvd. between two planned r's, crosses the tracks.
Here's what the linked website says about yielding: "Yield Principle:
When preparing to enter a roundabout, yield to all traffic in all lanes already circulating within the roundabout."
During peak traffic periods, other motorists will be forced to come to a complete stop, in order to YIELD, when there is traffic going both northbound and southbound, already within the narrow diameter, one-lane r's.
It's not a matter of "learning how to yield," it's a matter of being able to admit that when traffic is heavy, in order to yield, cars will be forced to come to a complete stop. The "flow" doesn't keep going when traffic is already backed up during peak periods. It's illogical and stubbornly obsessive to try to write that off on slow learners, or bad drivers.
Three way T intersections are NOT recommended as locations for r's. Moreover, also, according to the same linked website, "Bicyclists:
Bicyclists are encouraged to walk their bikes and use the pedestrian crosswalks. Only experienced bicyclists should ride within the roundabout."
Bicyclist safety would be compromised, which has been statistically verified, nationwide through studies I've previously linked, and provided to the City.
Wrong again L,
DeleteI ride a bike through them 4 times a day. I feel much safer going through a roundabout than an traffic signal. people have to go 20mph verses 50mph through a yellow/red light.
roundabouts work exceptionally well for 3 way intersections. Check out the beauty that Carlsbad is building on Hwy101 on their northern border. Its as nice as the ones on Hwy101 in Birdrock.
Oh Lynn, Don't worry the sun will rise tomorrow. Although it may be time for you to turn in your keys?
Bird rock looks like an OC mall.
DeleteWrong again Lynn,
DeletePeople speed all the time along the corridor. Of course they do, the road was designed for 70mph speeds. I see people regularly going 60mp +
Remember Jason?
DeleteHe was murdered by a driver going 85mph…. really Lynn? I didn't think they lowered the speed from 80mph to 35mph, nor do I think it would make a difference. That road is designed for SPEED!
Go out on Sunday afternoon and you will see what I am talking about. Drag strip central for all the Sunday Speeders.
10:49 did you see it before when it was 5 lanes, abandoneded buildings, weeds less safe.and more time consuming?
Delete10:49-
DeleteNot really…. Do OC Malls have mom's bike riding with their kids to the beach and Dad's walking to to pick up dinner for the family at the local restaurant?
Yeah… I wish we had that kind of problem.
In Leucadia, its all about serving the dysfunctional that can't drive and learn how to yield, Right L?
10:49
DeleteI hear Nordstrom is upset because Birdrock won't permit them open a store between the CVS Pharmacy and the used car dealership.
During peak seasons, the traffic is slow on Saturdays and Sundays. It's backing up, or moving under 35 MPH.
DeleteThe bicyclist was killed at 1:00 AM in the morning by a probably drunk, hit and run driver, drifting from the left hand lane, over into the right shoulder area.
If you want to reduce the speed down to 25 MPH from 35 MPH, the City could consider speed tables. Roundabouts would be traffic choking and are not suitable for the configuration of thousands of residences and three beach accesses to the west of the highway and RR tracks to the east. Cut through traffic would increase, and emergency response time would be reduced.
Carlsbad has a different configuration than Leucadia, as does Cardiff.
Oh disingenuous one. If you knew anything (big wish), you would know that speed limits how very little impact on the speeds on the roadway. You could make the speed limit on Hwy101 5 mph and cars would still go 60 to 70 mph.
DeleteIt was designed as a 70mph so people go 70mph. Its that simple.
Plus all the tickets that are given on Hwy101 can and will be thrown out of court. Look up Speed Trap laws under CVC.
We need to redesign the road to a 30 mph design.
Lynn-
ReplyDeleteWe get it. You and 3% hate roundabouts aways will. Please learn how to Yield or quit driving, so you don't plow through our children.
City,
Please replace many of these crappy death traps with roundabouts, so are children are safer from people that can not drive.
Anon 10:38, we get it, You and the 3% who want to force roundabouts on us on 101 through Leucadia always will want to force your will on the majority. Please how to yield in your thinking, open your mind or quit commenting. Quit staying up late with your bitter accusations, so that you can get some sleep, and not plow through our children with your distortions and lies. When yielding, during heavy traffic, whether there is a roundabout at an intersection, or not, one often has to come to a complete stop.
DeleteDear City,
Please refer to the July 18, 2012 staff report which details collision statistics for all the intersections where the minority of a few self-interested business and development interests are trying to force roundabouts on adjacent residents and businesses who don't want them. That three year collision study compared our intersections with similar intersections throughout the State, and determined that our collision rate is significantly less that the statewide average of collisions per the number of cars entering the intersection.
There has not been a single incidence, that I've heard of, of children being plowed into on this portion of 101. Please do not fall prey to false logic and character assassination by those saying that the majority who object to roundabouts cannot drive.
I'm in my truck in Carlsbad right now. Two women exiting a car are shook up. A man in a truck just ran a red light nearly hitting them.
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ReplyDeleteCarlsbads starting to come around. they should replace that deathtrap with a roundabout.
ReplyDeleteCarlsbad has a different configuration than Leucadia. You don't even know where Fred was when he reported that incident, 11:52. Your mind is stuck shut.
DeleteThe roundabout Carlsbad is installing on PCH doesn't have a T intersection. Also, there will be a railtrail corridor bicycle lane, so bicyclists won't have to go through a one lane roundabout with cars, as they would on 101, through Leucadia.
No worries, Encinitas doesn't have money, and neither does the state, for more roundabouts through Leucadia, that the public doesn't want. The roundabouts the State is willing to install will be for mitigation of the I-5 expansion; in Encinitas, they will be on Birmingham, if the public and the Coastal Commission approve that location.
Roundabouts could be effective on Birmingham, at the exit and entrance ramps for the freeway; and those two roundabouts would cost FAR LESS for taxpayers than the $20 Million plus the City has estimated for the cost of the roundabouts on 101 through Leucadia, initially lobbied for and designed by Peltz and Associates.
Oh disingenuous one, The Carlsbad intersections with Hwy101 and State street is a 3 way intersection.
DeleteRoundabouts work great with many legs of roadways but as with all intersections the less legs you have the better they work.
Therefore the 3 legged roundabouts planned for Leucadia will work even more efficiently than a 4 legged intersections.
Please try and learn about things before you post. Your false statements give you Zero credibility.
wrong again oh disingenuous one, "for more roundabouts through Leucadia, that the public doesn't want."
DeleteYou and the 3% don't want them, the other 97% do.
people should sleep more at night, it help support logical thinking. Right?
DeleteThe City is paying the Sheriff's Department to police our roads, including Highway 101. If people are regularly speeding, which I don't see, they should be ticketed. The speed limit should be enforced, as it is in Carlsbad.
ReplyDeleteSpeed tables could also be considered, to slow traffic down to 25 MPH. Slowing it down to 15 MPH through four one-lane roundabouts would be counterproductive, unacceptable, because in order to yield, motorists, and bicyclists, would be forced to come to a complete stop DURING PEAK TRAFFIC PERIODS.
As Jim Bond said, he didn't favor bottlenecking traffic on a four lane highway down to one lane in each direction, northbound and southbound. That would lead, logically, to more back-up than we already experience on either side of the traffic signal at 101 and Leucadia Blvd, the only RR crossing in miles, which traffic light would NOT be eliminated.
Again, there is NO guarantee the stop sign at Marcheta would be eliminated, and no guarnatee a stop light would not eventually be installed at the roundabout planned for La Costa. Many roundabouts nationwide have had to have traffic signals installed, because of issues with uneven levels of traffic and motorists on the main thoroughfare not allowing the cross street drivers to enter. That's why the USDOT recommends against roundabouts when the cross street traffic is significantly less than the main roadway. The intersections where the roundabouts on 101 through Leucadia are planned, again, have NO cross streets!
Most of the general public doesn't want roundabouts ON 101 THROUGH LEUCADIA. That doesn't mean roundabouts couldn't work elsewhere, at locations where there are actual through cross streets crossing the main thoroughfare, or at freeway onramps or off-ramps.
I don't believe you ride your bike three or four times a day through roundabouts. You may not even ride a bike anymore. You would post under your own name if you were sincere and could actually verify your anecdotal evidence.
Statistically, nationwide, there are more bicycle collisions at intersections with roundabouts than at those same intersections before the roundabouts were installed. I have previously posted supporting links to document these studies, but you aren't open to the facts, so I won't bother doing so again. I have sent this documentation to the City.
Oh disingenuous one. If you knew anything (big wish), you would know that speed limits how very little impact on the speeds on the roadway. You could make the speed limit on Hwy101 5 mph and cars would still go 60 to 70 mph.
DeleteIt was designed as a 70mph so people go 70mph. Its that simple.
Plus all the tickets that are given on Hwy101 can and will be thrown out of court. Look up Speed Trap laws under CVC.
We need to redesign the road to a 30 mph design.
"Statistically, nationwide, there are more bicycle collisions at intersections with roundabouts than at those same intersections before the roundabouts were installed."- BS
I ride my bike through them over 4 times a day, and I can tell you they are much safer than riding through the traffic signals. If you want to get any credibility, you need to stop posting disingenuous comments.
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22352.htm. reducing speeds limits without redesigning the road is unenforceable.
DeleteWe need to reconstruct the main street to a 25- 30mph design.
Wrong again oh disingenuous one.
Delete"Most of the general public doesn't want roundabouts ON 101 THROUGH LEUCADIA."
You don't want roundabouts on Hwy101, the majority of informed citizens do.
Wrong again oh disingenuous one.
Delete"The intersections where the roundabouts on 101 through Leucadia are planned, again, have NO cross streets!"
The proposed roundabouts are at intersections with cross streets. That is a fact. Get your facts straight ranter.
6:10----- roundabouts work.
DeleteSpeed tables don't work in Leucadia. Dept of transportation opposes speed tables parallel to rail road tracks. 97% of Leucadians opposed speed tables. Only the elitist 3% want speed tables. Speed tables are not wanted by the neighbors nor the businesses.
Delete8:07
DeleteSome people imply that because N 101's cross streets do not continue to the east, they are therefore "NOT "CROSS STREETS" But if cars from our side streets did not cross 101, there would be a lot more people breathing today. Whenever a patron comes in our shop and wants to find a location on or adjacent to N 101, they ask me what the nearest cross streets are. Shall I start correcting them with "Those are not cross streets."? No.
Some who do not have a decades long front row seat to N 101 as I have, of course are not as familiar with the dozens of deaths (children and adults) through the years caused by vehicles here. I've known some of them personally. Why might there not be a record of them? I would wager that the T-bone crash I was in on El Portal is not on any city record or tally sheet. But I can prove it happened with the Sheriff's report and insurance records. Bureaucracies at City Hall and the Sheriff's Dept. are keen on destroying records unfortunately from anywhere to 6 months to 7 years after an event. That's not a good way of learning from mistakes IMHO.
IF it were possible Leucadia instead had planned 5 "Y" shaped roundabouts and Carlsbad was getting their first "T" roundabout soon, the same clay argument from the few naysayers here would pressed just as deeply into that different mold. They would argue: "It's insane to have "Y" configured roundabouts because of the obtuse and acute angles being so radically different from the proven safer 90 degree approaches from a simple and more logical "T" shape." But I think most of us are hip to their tireless methods of operation to grasp at any straw.
Sorry, Fred.
DeleteNew rule by popular demand: no comments about roundabouts except on roundabout-specific posts or if there is shocking, breaking news about city policy on roundabouts.
GOTCHA!
Delete3:50 lol
DeleteThat goes for speed tablets too.
Just type in 3 legged roundabouts in google and see the hundreds of pictures of existing 3 legged roundabouts.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.google.com/search?q=roundabouts+at+3+legged+intersections&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=wHhaU-3VFcmiyAT4mYDoCw&ved=0CCYQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=690
Please Lynn stop the rants and please learn something new today.
http://www.ci.lacey.wa.us/city-government/city-departments/public-works/engineering-division/driving-modern-roundabouts
Oh disingenuous one,
ReplyDelete"because in order to yield, motorists, and bicyclists, would be forced to come to a complete stop DURING PEAK TRAFFIC PERIODS. " Oh you mean like at traffic signals and all way stops.
Yielding at roundabouts requires much less stopping time than at traffic signals or all way stops.
Get your facts straight ranter.
Funny, both sides claim to know what Leucadia wants, where roundabouts are concerned. Very funny!
ReplyDeleteThat's why the city held endless workshops and public input opportunities to get accurate information . Not just rants.....
ReplyDeleteThey kept at it until they got the results that they wanted with a packed house of people who wanted them. The city Planning Department knows nothing about how to get accurate information. They only know how to manipulate results until they get what they wanted in the first place.
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Delete1:56
DeleteBob Eubank, who lives at Sea Bluffe attended the first Streetscape meeting. He was very upset about hearing that a roundabout was to be installed at Bishops Gate and N 101. 2 hours later after a thorough presentation by Peltz & Associates, he realized this would be a vast improvement to circulation and that neither he nor his family would have to make intense left hand turns onto N 101 as they have to do now. I think that's how sensible and caring people should feel about traffic improvements.
STOP with the roundabouts. We all know how most who post feel. Please Wc, set up a special site for the people that want to debate roundabouts. This blog is beginning to become a him for runabouts. I would kind of like to know if anything else is going on in the city. No worries roundabout haters. There's no money for anything thanks to our 10 million dollars mistake. There is one thing Lynn and Fred have in common. They both wanted to purchase PV. Forget that we can't afford it, forget that there was never a public vote to see how many wanted it, forget that there are potholes in most of the roads, forget that we will not be able to use the land for a long time, and lastly try to forget that after 10 years the city will rezone it, Prop A forgotten about because of our budget deficit and the Hall Park, and you really don't have to worry about roundabouts.
ReplyDeleteGood idea. No more roundabout comments until something newsworthy occurs in the city's plans for roundabouts.
DeleteWHEW! THANKS WCV.
DeleteQuit ur whining and requests for censorship .
ReplyDeleteU have a brain use it. Don't read the comments about roundabouts. That's what I do with comments from Lynn - that cuts down on half the roundabout comments alone.
9:41- Censorship is quite acceptable on someone's personal blog. If you want to have a blog that doesn't censor anything for for it. But watch for the rules that the blog community gives you. Also, I know several people who won't read this blog anymore because of these going on and on, or round and round, about roundabouts. You might say that's their problem, but this blog has provided us with a forum to talk about city issues, when most newspapers won't touch things. if people strop reading it, we all lose. So, please Lynn and Fred, perhaps I can appeal to you, let it rest. If they really start happening then go back to it. But right now, can you please give it a rest? Thank you. BTW, 3 council prop;e are supporting Catherine Blakespear. Check out her FB page for Encinitas City Council. Teresa, Tony, Lisa and Mim have signed on. However, so far so staff person. Now perhaps we can change to that topic? What do you think of her?
ReplyDeleteShe's clueless. I hope we get better candidates that that, or I'm not voting for anyone.
DeleteShe has a bad position on PV and on Road standards. In fact, I haven't heard anything positive about her. You?
Well, she was reportedly against Prop A, so depending on your position, that could be a positive.
Deletestrike three in my book.
Delete9:12 - "endless workshops"? Those are a sham as the city runs them. Pre-determined outcomes hardly lend themselves to participation that is managed honestly. "Facts" presenting one side of the story, with supporting "research" is the norm.
ReplyDeleteWhen the city doesn't like what the surveys say - into storage they go, never to see the light of day.
The city wouldn't know how to run a workshop to solicit uninfluenced input, not if all the pensions depended on it.
I love Encinitas!
I was at the workshops for the streetscape and their was plenty of opportunity and tons of data collected. I agree. This topic has been covered til nausea….. let it lie Oh Disingenuous One.
DeleteHuh? Who are you talking to?
DeleteIf those 3 council persons are endorsing Blakespear and she wins a seat, you can rest assured that it will continue to be a 3-2 council with Gaspar and Muir the lone loser voices.
ReplyDeletethey are all losers in my book. I've yet to see a worthy candidate.
DeleteYou wouldn't know a 'worthy' candidate if they drove over you in a roundabout. When the pupil is ready, the master will appear. This blog is clearly for the non-actualized.
Delete"You wouldn't know a 'worthy' candidate if they drove over you in a roundabout."
DeleteHighly humorous and highly unlikely at the same time. But you should have used "intersection". The R-word is wearing thin here.
At least Blakespear isn't a puppet of $tock$ and company so that is a PLUS in her favor.
ReplyDeleteIt's her vs. Gaspar right now, so that works in her favor..
ReplyDeleteIf Gaspar runs for mayor, that's a different race.
DeleteWill there be only one seat to fill in November because Barth is not running?
ReplyDeleteTwo. One council member and one elected mayor, who is also a council member.
DeleteBlakespear as a council member is more business as usual. Her views and, therefore, her actions would be no different from what we've seen from the Barth, Kranz, Shaffer trio.
ReplyDeleteThe council needs two earthshakers, one as a council member, the other as elected mayor. Then we might see some of the change the City sorely needs.
We really need 3 council shakers in order to get anything done, but not the way it has been done under Barth, Shaffer and Kranz. It will be business as usual for the next few years if Blakespear gets elected. Gaspar will have zero influence even as mayor. She'll just be able to put together an agenda and cut ribbons. DUH!
DeleteIf two earthshakers were elected in November, Gaspar would be gone, and Muir would be isolated. Kranz and/or Shaffer would have to ally with the two new earthshakers or risk being always seen at total hypocrites. Actions that benefit the community and its future might actually be taken.
Delete2:29 It's been way too long where the citizens have been put last. I hope we get some earthshakers that can make it happen. Gaspar definitely needs to go. She has not done anything significant for us. Her previous voting record counts. Her goal is to become the first elected mayor and I find that extremely egotistic which fits her nature. She wants to better her resume, not the community or the taxpayers. DG = DUMP GASPAR.
DeleteAbout all Gaspar is good enough for is cutting ribbons and doing magic...Now if she'll only disappear...
ReplyDeleteWE have the power to make her disappear. Let's make it happen.
ReplyDeleteMany of the readers on this blog feel the same about you 3:25 pm.
Delete3:46 Quite an odd statement since you don't know who I am. Careful what you say, I could be your best friend.
Delete3:46 Why didn't you address the comment by the one who posted at 2:51. That was much harsher or perhaps you don't read well.
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