... over at bubbleinfo.com.
The idea would require a Prop A vote and would violate the recently signed Memorandum of Understanding, but we haven't heard any better ideas from the council on where the money is supposed to come from.
And you'll get a chuckle out of Jim's blunt talk about our city council.
"Crooked as a bag of snakes" Talking about the City Council's over the last years, not just the current one. He's funny and serious at the same time. If you don't watch this, you will miss your laugh of the week. And laughing in a good way. Love his guy.
ReplyDeleteI thought that was a bit much, calling all the council members crooked. If our council is crooked, what is Carlsbad's? They never met a development they didn't like, and Bud Lewis was on the council for 40 years....
DeleteI didn't take it seriously, but I still think he was damn funny. Still want to know how he got those ariel photos if he doesn't have a drone. Maybe Vina gave him one, since the CIty cannot afford to buy the property unless some of it gets developed, Vina gave the guy a special drone of check it out and put it on his own website as a possible new land deal.
DeleteI agree with the comment about past Councils, but disagree with Jim's solution. He is a realtor who would like to make a commission by selling $10 Million worth of build-able ocean view lots. No way is that going to happen, Jim.
ReplyDeleteMy vision, and that of many others is for a true community art and learning center. The pre-existing classrooms can be rehabbed and maintained through a non-profit foundation composed of artists, art lovers, and the Historical Society, at a low cost. This foundation could provide a lease revenue stream. .846 acre could be dedicated to open space, including beautiful community gardens.
The School District is having a meeting next Tuesday, to finally cancel the auction. Hooray! Next step, the City should insist on 0% interest over 30 years with EUSD carrying the loan.
Superintendent Baird was disingenuous when he said, when the City wouldn't rezone in October of 2012, that the money could have helped teachers from being laid off. It's highly unlikely any money from the sale of a surplus school could go into a school district's general fund, because there has to be a guarantee no construction is needed for ten years, and that capital improvements, or facilities improvements (including ongoing purchases of I-Pads and I-Pad apps, etc.) are not in excess of revenues, that there are no "deferred facility improvement." EUSD has many temporary portable classrooms. It owns the Encinitas Ranch school site, which isn't surplus, so could require construction, within 10 years.
Moreover, according to the State Allocation Board, which sent me a letter, copied to EUSD and the City, the money could only go into the General Fund for EUSD if all those conditions were met, for a ONE TIME PURPOSE, determined after a public hearing. Teachers' salaries could NEVER have been paid for by the sale of Pacific View.
Baird is a liar. That Memo of Understanding has plenty of outs for the City. We can simply say we can't get a bond because we can't afford more debt, that it would lower our credit rating, and we have numerous other lease revenue bonds.
I would NEVER vote to privatize any part of the 2.82 donated land. It's ALREADY in the public domain, and is being transferred between one public agency and another. Baird could "monetize" PV and get a 30 revenue stream, which is what he and past Superintendents insisted they wanted when they said the Naylor Act didn't apply because the property was to be sold for a commercial property with a revenue stream, AFTER the City rezoned the property, as it had preliminary said it would, in the bogus lease recitals starting on 2/2/04.
Backroom development deals won't solve this problem. Neither will the City's buying the property to immediately resell part of it. That was specifically forbidden in the current MOU.
But I'm sure Jim, the Realtor, is salivating at the commission he would stand to make.
And we have you, anonymously, calling me a liar, 8:37. Plus, I go into great detail about how Baird has been untruthful. You don't give your name, nor provide any evidence at all. I'm telling you the facts, according to Education Code and the State Allocation Board. You can think what you want. Your anonymous and unsupported opinion of me is irrelevant to this topic, and inconsequential to me.
DeleteSorry, meant to say, at 7:24: Baird could "monetize" PV and get a 30 year revenue stream, which is what he and past Superintendents insisted they wanted when they said the Naylor Act didn't apply because the property was to be exchanged, NOT SOLD, for a commercial property with a revenue stream, AFTER the City rezoned the property, as it had preliminary said it would, in the bogus lease recitals starting on 2/2/04.
DeleteBut the Naylor Act legally applies from the date of the first EUSD lease with the City, approved by the Board of Trustees, and Superintendent Doug DeVore's signature on the lease, with City Manager Kerry Miller, on 2/2/04.
Pacific View was permanently closed in June of 2003. The former school site was leased effective December 1, 2003 (as stated in the lease), officially authorized on 2/2/04, six months after the closure. The Naylor Act does apply, and 30% of Pacific View, or .846 acre, should be preserved, in perpetuity, for open space, including community gardens, or fields, perhaps planted with fruit trees.
Ahhhh more of WC edits of free speech…..
DeleteThis is becoming a rag like MSNBC or a Chinese News feed.
Lynn the "disingenuous" one get free speech. Everyone else gets edited.
Nicely done WC. Are you starting to feel like Obama. Maybe you should become a council member. Its seems you bent over time as well.
Who got edited, there's only posts from Lynn above?
DeleteWC did.
DeleteBasically, Lynn called Baird a lair and someone at 8:37 else wrote.
something like, Oh - A Lair calling someone a liar.
WC edited the comments.
I would assume he removed the comments, sans editing. This is supposed to be a forum for ideas, not personal attacks or name calling. Once again, if you don't like what Lynn has to say, don't read it.
DeleteI don't
DeleteLynn causes the attacks by disingenuous statements.
DeleteYou don't seeing Fred getting slammed like Lynn now do you?
I rarely see "attacks" on Lynn. Only counterpoints to her slander.
DeleteCP posts anonymously, as well as under the moniker I made up for him, and we all know it. I have not slandered anyone.
DeleteWhen Baird makes false statements and misrepresents the law, repeatedly, in the Coast News, and at an October 2012 City Council Meeting, then he is not being truthful.
WC has the freedom to edit as he sees fit. You rarely see me targeted for anonymous "attacks" because you are closed-minded, or because WC has already removed them.
Freedom of speech doesn't give anyone the right to cause harm to others, or to this blog.
"My vision, and that of many others is for a true community art and learning center. The pre-existing classrooms can be rehabbed and maintained through a non-profit foundation composed of artists, art lovers, and the Historical Society, at a low cost. This foundation could provide a lease revenue stream. .846 acre could be dedicated to open space, including beautiful community gardens."
DeleteWho are this many others that you speak of?
How much money will it take to rehab them?
What do you consider low cost?
How long will it take to raise the funding?
How soon could it become occupied?
Oh by the way, the historical society can't even generate enough funding to rehab the buildings that they have at the museum site on Quail Drive.
Please share with us these answers All Knowing Lynn.
Slander is either a gesture or speech. Libel is in the printed word. Once again, if you don't like it don't read it. She's welcome to her opinion, even if stated ad nauseum, infinitum.
DeleteI've already expressed my opinion, which is shared by many members of this community, including many who wrote Council and EUSD 750 letters through SavePacificView.org. My hope for a true community arts and learning center is also shared by my family, my friends, neighbors and associates.
DeleteBob Bonde presented a detailed plan for raising money for the rehab. You could address some of your more specific questions to him, or Dody Crawford, of DEMA, who had, in February of 2013, submitted the "Envision the View" proposal, or to Danny Salzhandler, who has worked toward this vision, for years, as well.
I am not all knowing. I'm smart enough to realize there is a great deal I don't know, but wise enough to trust in our collective vision that goes far beyond monetary gain.
thanks for the clarification. She slanders people when speaking in front of City Council and she is libel for her written comments on this blog and her rants comments in the press.
DeleteLynn- practice what you preach. Walk the talk… you are always slamming people.
Oh yeah… I know your IP address and I will sick the Feds on you if you don't stop with your libel actions.
Delete11:43 Suggestion for you: Find out the difference between "libel" and "liable."
DeleteRegarding 11:43's comments about slander at City Council, I had thought that council meetings offered special protection for freedom of speech. There are speakers that we all might disagree with at these meetings, but allowing them to present is the foundation of the democratic process.
DeleteThanks 12:26. Commenters should also learn the difference between lying and making an erroneous statement.
Delete11:36- Quote from you and question from me.
DeleteI've already expressed my opinion, which is shared by many members of this community, including many who wrote Council and EUSD 750 letters through SavePacificView.org. My hope for a true community arts and learning center is also shared by my family, my friends, neighbors and associates. Lynn" So Lynn,
I am serious in this, by the way, when I ask "what is a TRUE community art center.? I have no idea what that even means. And, what will be there? Who is going to pay for it.? I'm not an artist and I don't want to spend 10 million dollars so we can get an art center if that's what it is going to be. Would have been kind of nice to figure out what the City wanted to do with the land before they spent money that will definitely come from all Encinitans. So many of the people on the PV website's signature are artists, or are in some way business related to the art world. I don't care about the art world enough to pony up the money. Hey, I want a bowling alley, and I want a "white russion" AKA Kahla and cream.
The Dude
A true community art and learning center is one that the locals are involved in creating and maintaining, including sharing our visions of what it is and what it will become.
DeleteA true community center is different than an interregional, monolithic complex, from my perspective. It would be more low key. It would involve having over 4/5 of an acre open space for beautiful community gardens. After the center is rehabbed, which could be done less expensively, were it leased to a non-profit foundation, then it would provide the City a revenue stream to repay the debt incurred.
It's gotta be especially grievious for some ambitious realtors to see such prime ocean view property forever lose its potential make that person 6% on selling (and re-selling) 15 new condos.
ReplyDeleteBut I couldn't put down Jim's book "Flip This School".
Chapter 1. How to influence your City Council.
Chapter 2. All you need to know about architectural renderings.
Chapter 3. Tandem garages / Who needs parking requirements?
Chapter 4. Finding the right drone for coastal sleepers.
Chapter 5. Winning friends at Historical Museums
Chapter 6. How to safely multi-task in your Mercedes.
Chapter 7. Creating future business for your Real Estate office.
Chapter 8. Sign our online petition: The Right to Change the Right To Vote
OK, I didn't care much for the book. But his spot on ABC was pretty good!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoQSmBQr-c0
LOL, classic Fred! Yeah, Jim pretty much made the case for him getting to broker part of the school. With all due respect, he's pulling a Doug Harwood, launching part of the property for houses and booting the schoolhouse so he can sell the rest.
DeleteI wouldn't expect a realtor to understand why any of this should be preserved, but he ran roughshod over the whole history of the school negotiations. Too bad it's not that simple.
Still, his point about the cost and how it will be paid for is valid. Someone better come up with a plan to pay for this baby.
-Mr Green Jeans
Phantom 2 vision, illegal for commercial use.
Deleteschool negotiations green jeans? Please, eusd held the city hostage at the end, prior to that Stocks and companyt were co-consirpators with EUSD to apparently keep the property out of the hands of the public by avoiding the Naylor Act. facts you ask- try this on:
Delete1. Rather then offer the property under the Naylor act in 2003/2004 the city leases the site for 1$ and paves over the playing fileds.
2. In 2010 EUSD says the Naylor act no longer applies becuase the use of the fields changed-
Another fact- Under Tim Baird and the wretched EUSD school board the district is operating at at near $2M annual loss- depsaite sticking taxpayers with a $40M bond
Another fact- THe City of Encinitas is running a near $2M annual deficit due to the failings of Vina, Sabine and the council
there has been a plan to buy this baby- it is called taking legal action to compell EUSD to abide by the Naylor Act- the the gutless spineless council refuses
The City has dropped the ball on the Naylor act since day one, I don't disagree with you. What I meant is if you buy the property now, sans Naylor act, you better come up with a plan to pay for it.
DeleteSadly, there's no going back in time, so if this council wants to buy this property at this time, you better come up with a plan to pay for it. I'm not signing off now or in the future on overpaying for PV, barring a plan to pay for it out of other assets, trades, sponsorships etc..
It's called Leadership, something our community has lacked most of the last 20 years...
-Mr Green School
The Naylor Act STILL applies, and Council should gather the courage and determination to say it WILL go to Court to apply the Naylor Act and eminent domain, IF EUSD will not negotiate terms of payment so that the School District carries the loan for 30 years at 0% interest.
DeleteNothing has been finalized. It's not too late. There never was any pressure to hold an immediate auction because of a law that is to expire on January 1, 2016, Education Code that allows, in certain narrowly defined conditions, that monies from the sale of a surplus school site can go, "for a one time purpose," into a School District's General Fund.
Clearly the city is not going to invoke the Naylor act, right or wrong. They have had numerous chances to do so, but have failed to act...
Deletedid he take that arial footage with a drone? Does he have NSA permits? I guess someone should let him know that determining slope with arial survey's is no longer valid in Encinitas
ReplyDeleteI say sell it. Better yet, let the deal fall through!
ReplyDeleteLet the school district deal with it…. the City has enough to deal with.
How are all those projects going anyway?
Lynn your comment "the City should insist on 0% interest over 30 years with EUSD carrying the loan." - what is it that you don't understand - THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SAID THEIR NOT INTERESTED!!! Please try to be constructive and not just rant to rant!!!
ReplyDelete11:31, your saying I'm ranting is also irrelevant, and inconsequential to me. It doesn't matter what the School District allegedly said. The Board of Trustees DIDN'T SAY THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED PUBLICLY. I have no evidence those terms have ever been proposed, by the City.
DeleteThe City should insist. It has leverage, and should use it. I submit there were NO sealed bids. An officer at the State Board of Allocation told me those terms could be a possibility.
It is IMPOSSIBLE that any money, which could POSSIBLY go into EUSD's general fund could be spent on teachers' salaries, as Baird FALSELY stated to the public at a Council Meeting in October of 2012, and implied in a couple of commentaries he wrote for the Coast News. I've got a commentary in the Coast News in today's edition, asking for zero percent interest and EUSD's carrying the loan for 30 years.
EUSD is not upholding the PUBLIC TRUST. The public deserves to know the baits and switches Baird has pulled. If you object to what you characterize as a rant, then please, don't stay up until after 11:30 at night to read my posts, LOL!
I had thought you might be a trustee, 11:31, but no wonder you want to be anonymous when you say, without any evidence whatsoever, "their not interested." So who is it that doesn't know the difference between they're and their?
your ranting again….."disingenuous" comments-EUSD is not upholding the PUBLIC TRUST… blah, blah, blah
DeleteBecause your closed mind cannot comprehend facts, doesn't make sharing them rambling. All you seem capable of doing is criticizing me; you don't refute a single fact.
DeleteBest we can hope for is that it either burns to the ground ( encinitas fire dept can't put out a candle let alone a real fire) or "The Big One" dumps it into the ocean. Either way we 1- can start from the ground up or 2- have nothing to worry about because there's nothing left of the site.
ReplyDeleteOh one last thing... Roundabouts work.
I will not allow what I can hope for to be restrained by anyone's "can't do" attitude. Many in this community have a vision, which can be realized. Plus, if pressure is applied, by Council, through a decent lawyer, and skillful, good faith negotiations, EUSD can be pressured to accept as terms of payment that the School District will carry the loan for 30 years at zero percent interest.
ReplyDeleteEUSD insisted for 8 years after Pacific View that the District wanted to trade the former schoolsite for a commercial property with a revenue stream, so the Naylor Act didn't apply. It did apply from when the lease signed on 2/2/04.
Baird pulled another bait and switch after eight years, saying, now that eight years are up, we're going to sell. But the Naylor Act is triggered from when the Board of Trustees initially determines to sell OR to LEASE a former school site. Eight years prior to 2/2/04, the former school site was used, in part, for playgrounds and fields. The Naylor Act is designed, by the State Legislature to make public open space easily affordable to public agencies, to continue that use.
What I and many others envision is a true community arts and learning center. A foundation is being set up, or has been, whereby artists, in cooperation with the Historical Society, will rehab and maintain existing classrooms, and will lease the property, including beautiful community gardens, providing a revenue stream to help pay monthly payments of about $28K, through the City, to EUSD.
EUSD will get its long desired ongoing revenue stream; school children, artists, art lovers, and taxpayers will all benefit tremendously. Our historic irreplaceable asset of donated land, our heritage of the Old Schoolhouse, and the grounds it sits upon, will remain, in perpetuity, in the public domain.
The highest value is NOT short term profit; it isn't "monetization" (Baird's word) through privatization. The highest value and greatest common good would be a true community arts and learning center.
Meant to say EUSD insisted for 8 years after Pacific View closed that the District wanted to trade the former schoolsite for a commercial property with a revenue stream, so the Naylor Act didn't apply. It did apply from when the lease signed on 2/2/04.
Deletemore of the same rants. SKIP
DeleteLynn - you might want to read your posting prior to allowing them to forever be on this blog . Often they make little to no logic.
DeleteBecause you can't comprehend logic, doesn't make any particular comment of mine illogical. Why don't you get over yourself, and stop with your obsession of attacking everything I say, without any context or supporting facts?
DeleteYour posts prove you are in internet troll. Stop attempting to undermine everything I say and drive me away, or you will pay the consequences.
Dump PV. The City can not afford it! Purchasing PV just delays every other needed project.
ReplyDeleteMore editing - Encinitas Underscrutiney should be the new name of this blog.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you scram, 12:06, if you don't approve. Start your own blog, and allow all the hateful, out of context comments you want.
DeleteSKIP. thats easy
DeleteGlad it's easy for you. But the fact that you take the time to post proves you haven't skipped anything, troll.
DeleteJim the Realtor shows he has no respect for history. That old crappy 1883 schoolhouse, who cares? Make it firewood! While you're at it, Jim, why not rip the Derby House down and build something like Pacific Station to overlook Pacific Station?
ReplyDeleteAnd the Boat Houses, what the hell, they're old and crappy, they should go too! While we're at it, what about the SRF? Geez, it's been there for decades taking up valuable real estate we could turn in a profit-maker for Jim and other Realtors. And, damn, the SRF has all that land on the other side of Vulcan and San Elijo where all they do it grow stuff. That could be condos or apartments or ocean view estates. What a waste of valuable land!
It takes all kinds, and Jim is the salesman kind. He cares little for anything but bucks.
Previous observations about realtors were deleted by Encinitas Underscrutiney - maybe WC is the new NSA!
DeleteAgain, go away if you are so disdainful, 6:53. No one is forcing you to participate here. You can't control WC. If you want to be blog administrator, start your own blog.
DeleteHateful, out of context comments posted anonymously are not being tolerated, and I'm glad.
Skip. Hey I have the hang of this now.
DeleteHey Lynn ..... Speed tables don't work on 101.
DeleteWhat evidence do you have of that, 11:06? Your making a blanket statement doesn't make it true.
DeleteAround 1990, a Redevelopment Agency wanted approval from 5 council members to approve a R. District which wanted all 12 acres of SRF for a Can Do Hotel. Nothing is as tempting to some as a space they can jam pack. Especially with an ocean view.
ReplyDeleteHow could they force a sale of private property? SRF has future intentions of building a Temple on the site.
Delete6:54,
DeleteSad but true.
The fascist wing of the Supreme Court ruled it so.
6:54
DeleteThrough condemnation using "blight"; the power of eminent domain; "fair market price" and relocation procedures - just like other RD's have done in many California cities since 1952. If a water pipe leading to your property underground is smaller than the current code, that's one of many excuses they used to condemn a property and sell it to someone else. At one meeting, an RD facilitator said "For example. In Leucadia we have a bunch of postage stamp sized lots that aren't suited for businesses. What an RD does is gather those together and sell it to someone who can put something large and nicer on it." But I trust WCV's link is more thorough.
Au contraire, Fred!
DeleteMy link was a polemic based on national issues.
Your knowledge of how it goes down locally is much more thorough.
Yes, the "betterment" of the community theory, based on a greater conformity (highest and best use fallacy) or an enhanced tax base. Money rules - the USA always just pretended that democracy and equal rights were how this system worked.
DeleteBig money calls the shots.
Jim the realtor does not seem to know about Prop A. Is he planning on paying for an election, or is it on another napkin?
ReplyDeleteHe wipes the greed drool with that napkin....
DeleteLet the deal fall through. Its a School issue not a City issue. The the artists come up with a way to purchase the property if the want it. The City should not be in the business of developing more expensive trophy projects. How are all the other City needs going?
ReplyDeleteNew General Plan
Regional Sports Complex- Annual Maintenance Costs
New projects to mitigate the new regional Sports Complex
Streetscape Project
Moonlight lifeguard tower.
Quail Gardens Traffic Calming
Saxony Traffic Calming
Beacons Beach Access and stabilization project.
Needed walkways identified in the walkability plan.
Any other project that I missed.
PV will just halt all these project and make our Council focused on overdeveloping our City, raising fees on our home remodels, and increasing our taxes. Is that what you want?
Pacific View: Rehab and get the revenue stream going. Sell naming rights for the future arts/edu center that will include a theater/auditorium; get wealthy philanthropists involved.
ReplyDeleteHall Park: Open it and start collecting the revenue that's supposed to pay the lease-revenue bonds.
Streetscape: Funded by TransNet through SANDAG; has little or nothing to do with City money.
Moonlight tower: The old one is fine for several more years.
Quail and Saxony traffic calming: Speed tables are inexpensive to install and maintain, and they work better than bumps, cushions or islands.
Beacon Beach access: Leave it as it is. The current condition keeps the population down. That's good.
Good suggestions, 11:51. I too don't think there is any actual lease revenue stream, for the so-called "Community Park," although the Hall Property was purchased, and the sports park construction was done through lease revenue bonds.
DeleteAccording to our General Plan definitions, the regional sports complex is too large to be labeled a community park. Staff's answer? We aren't going by the definitions.
As Dr. Lorri had described, the Parks and Recreation Commission had received over a hundred names, when it solicited suggestions for names of the Hall Property Park. These were narrowed down to under twenty, as I recall. But Kristin Gaspar suggested, "Community Park," and all the public input was ignored; the efforts of the Park and Rec Commissioners were dismissed and disregarded.
Moonlight Beach - have the lifeguards walk the immediate beach area around the tower. They nearly ran over some little kids when they kept trying to breech the sand berm with their vehicle (not a one time event). These guys are more of a menace when they are tooling around in their beach buggies.
DeleteLeo Mullen Park: add lights and possibly turf to provide year round play and fall/winter hours (takes pressure off of Encinitas Community Park which should please neighbors)
ReplyDeleteThere is supposed to be artificial turf going in at Leo Mullen Park, paid for by the sports leagues. The shopping center doesn't want permanent lights. Talk to Ecke/Carltas, owners of the center. It was part of the Encinitas Ranch development deal.
Delete1:51- I believe you have no business sense.
ReplyDeleteIts all about return on investment.
1. PV will always be in the red and will drain funds for all other needed projects.
2. Regional sports complex will always be in the red. the revenues will never even come cost to paying for the maintenance of the park more than paying any bonds off.
3. Streetscape - Best Retun on Investment Opportunity for the City. Improvements Quality of Life for all, better business environment, better property values for surrounding community, Better revenues for City by increased property, sales, and TOT taxes. The City should fully fund this project before ever borrowing money for another tax sucking Parks trophy project. Geeze City Council - WTH? You should either borrow all the money or be putting in at a minimum $2 million per year until fully funded. The funding source should include General Funds, Transnet, and Grant Funds.
4. Life Guard Tower- I agree.
5. Qauil and Saxony, Vulcan and other Street Improvements- Take big money.
6. Beacon Beach- Leave it as it- lose local access which will be devastating for all of Encinitas including financial loses to residents, business and the City. The City should budget $3 million for this next year and never think about borrowing money for another Parks Trophy project. Beach access should be the highest priority for the City. We live here and property values are high because of the beach.
3:34, it sounds as if you stand to gain personally by the implementation of Leucadia Streetscape. Maybe you own commercial property in the corridor. It doesn't sound as if you live west of 101 in Leucadia.
DeleteStreetscape would quicken the pace of the downtown bar culture coming to Leucadia. Rents would rise, driving other businesses out as St. Germain's has been driven out of downtown.
Parking in the railroad right away would increase because there's not enough parking anywhere else. That would mean more people crossing 101 on foot. It would be just a matter of time till somebody got hit and killed.
Residents west of 101 don't want more traffic cutting through their neighborhoods. Nobody wants more traffic on Neptune. Residents don't want visitors' parked cars lining the streets between 101 and Neptune. They also don't want drunken bar patrons on their streets and in their yards.
Streetscape would not significantly increase sales tax revenues because whatever new business might be generated would come from elsewhere in Encinitas, not out of town. It's like moving money from one pocket to the other in the same pants.
The Leucadia 101 commercial corridor is constrained by three factors: It's on one side of the highway, it's extremely narrow, there's not enough parking for the businesses already there. For positive change without creating big new problems, those constraints must be addressed. The first two look permanent.
3:34, it doesn't sound as if you've looked at the facts on the ground and done a thoughtful analysis.
I meant 11:51 not 1:51.
ReplyDelete1) The bottom line isn't always "return on investment," in terms of money. The greatest common good and the highest value is keeping an irreplaceable, historic asset, in the public domain, as a true community arts and learning center.
Delete2) Beacon Beach is a great beach for locals. It has survived for so many years; the trails did have to be redone, once, since I've lived here, in SD county since '74, a homeowner in Encinitas since 78. There is no evidence that "leaving it" will result in losing beach access any time soon. The bluff cannot support more hardscape restrooms, or showers. Just as Black's beach is challenging to access, so is Beacon Beach. This keeps the crowds down. There is insufficient parking for people coming from out of area.
3) I don't know that we are paying TOT taxes, now. That's not going on the ballot, so there will be no raise in sales taxes. The City pushes development for more sales taxes and more property taxes, sometimes in the name of affordable housing, utilizing "mixed use" development. Citizens object to the increased density, increased traffic, loss of community character, and reduced quality of life.
4). The Streetscape as planned would take centuries to bring in the $20 Million installing 5 roundabouts would require. At least 21 more old growth trees would be removed. According to Fred, trees that were to go onto 101 are now being planted in neighborhoods west of 101, which is fine with me. That is because there is no funding in the foreseeable future for roundabouts on 101, through Leucadia.
5) Our Transnet tax money is allocated for railtrail corridor improvements, from Chesterfield in Cardiff to G Street. Additionally, Transnet monies will go to mitigation for the San Elijo Lagoon. Caltrans will install two roundabouts on Birmingham, if the City and neighbors approve, one for the onramp and one for the off-ramp, there. All of this is part of I-5 mitigation. Anyone who went to the Strategic Planning Meeting on Transit, or watched the webcast, should realize that what came out of all the hours of presentations and SANDAG, NCTD and other speakers, was that there will be no money left for controversial one-lane, 3-way T intersection roundabouts with NO cross streets, and no plans to install a bike lane in the railtriail corridor adjacent to where the one lane roundabouts are planned. Bicyclists would have to go through the one lane roundabouts with cars, which will be funneled into one lane northbound and one lane southbound, at 15 MPH.
Pacific View is the ONLY project that can actually provide a legitimate lease revenue stream. There are not enough businesses that can be built on the west side of 101 that an increase in sales taxes would provide sufficient revenue to cover the cost of building the Streetscape project as planned. Continuing to restore the canopy is great. Continuing to improve sidewalks and walkability is great. The Sharrows are great. I'm grateful the city will be purchasing Pacific View. The wise thing would be for the City to insist on 0% interest over 30 years with EUSD carrying the loan. Not having to pay additional debt service would benefit the taxpayers, and EUSD would get the revenue stream it has long said it wanted, when it insisted PV was to be exchanged for a commercial property with a revenue stream, therefore, allegedly, the Naylor Act wouldn't apply. But it does apply from when the property was initially leased, effective in 2003, six months after the school was permanently closed.
All those sports teams organizations won't have to pay fees to use the Hall Park fields? If there are no revenues to come, why are the bonds called lease-revenue bonds?
Delete11:15
ReplyDeleteGood points. Dont know about Beacons. Nearby residents don't want the cliff touched fearing it will undermine their property. Some local surfers don't care if it's barb-wired and chain-linked off to the public because they'll have more of the beach to themselves and make their own entrance. I still think something could be done that wouldn't affect neighboring bluffs and shore up the cliff at the same time, but Moonlight Beach improvements I guess were more important as the $2million ear-marked for Beacons was transferred to MB. Back in 1961 the property was still wide enough to drive down to the beach (but only lifeguards did in jeeps). Old timers told me that there used to be a dance hall down on the beach and parties one night a week. Ignored, the real devastation will happen when 10 cars at the current parking lot end up where the dance hall was.
Disagree with 3:34, that PV will forever be in the red. All depends on who's in charge and the choices they make. Also disagree PV will suck money from Streetscape.
The state money for Beacon's was transferred to Moonlight Beach because the state would not allow a seawall to be built, and that was the city's plan. The city had proceeded with the unacceptable plan anyway and almost lost the money.
DeleteThere was a brief discussion of an alternate plan to drive pilings deep into the bluff to avoid building a seawall. The pilings would have stabilized the bluff. It was rejected because of the cost, even those it was known the seawall plan would be rejected by the state.
I frequently use the trail. If it slips when I'm on it, I plan to ride it down on top like a snow avalanche. It will be better than any ride at Disneyland.
"Also disagree PV will suck money from Streetscape."
DeleteHow do you figure Fred. Any money that is borrowed could and should go towards the Streetscape. Can you imagine how much Streetscape could be implemented with $10 to $15 million dollars. The Streetscape will for sure bring hire return on investment to the City. Any payments that are made for $10,000,000 going towards PV, could have and should have been going towards the Streetscape.
PV is just another Parks trophy project. We can't afford any more Trophy projects. Legacy my ass. Its a legacy of fiscal mismanagement. That is Encinitas Legacy.
When Beacons fails in the next few big rainstorms, the lifeguards will close the bluff and put the new code enforcement officer and sheriffs up there to issue whopping $1,567 tickets for violators of the new access code. and you thought the RR crossing tickets were expensive. Anything for revenue and at the sake of residents freedoms right?
Toilets. Fred, all Leucadian beaches need toilets. Get on it Fred, you have the power. Use it.
DeleteFred-please answer the questions. thanks.
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Delete1. Not sayin' happy with the price of $10million. But even at that price it's still about half of what other properties go for per sq ft. this side of 5.
2. The city has a lot of unused property sitting in limbo it can sell to offset the cost of PV.
3. It is a legacy and a lot of locals love PV. Except for some trim, a very few broken windows, and a crumbling awning, the building is sound and usable with some lipstick and a new skirt. The sooner a volunteer effort to help clean and green the property, the sooner I think hundreds of people will show up to help. The PV structure is not even as old as much of Ocean Knoll, Paul Ecke Central or San Dieguito Academy. EUSD did not abandon it because it was untenable but claimed there "aren't enough children west of 101 anymore to fill it" (which I find a BIG maybe, but how does one prove that without knocking on every door? It's one thing to easily say "because its a new age, there are twice as many people here as in 1970, but half as many children west of 101" but it's another to show proof for that claim).
4. It will be in the black someday. I don't expect some developers, some realtors, some investment tycoons or you to be optimistic about the future of PV, but you're welcome to make good suggestions (if they're not similar to the napkin in the video).
5. The city has been sitting on a pile of $3.5 million dollars Carlsbad gave us over 2 years ago that is set aside for the 1st roundabout at La Costa Ave & hwy 101. Could we just stop trying to pay the most for everything in town and put that contract out to bid? People really are wanting to work and Carlsbad is putting us to shame fast tracking their first one at their north entrance. Is the city waiting so they can spend $7 million on it?
6. Agree, $1,567 would be one messed up ticket for going to the beach at Beacons. But who's bringing in a new trophy project for a state owned beach for several million dollars that could be used for Streetscape now? I'm only throwing out my observations on Beacons. Some want it saved (I do). Some want it to naturally decay that would close it forever. Some fear improving it would destroy their adjacent properties. When the city wanted to put an underground storm drain pipe from Roadside Park to the ocean, several residents on the bluff came to city hall threatening a lawsuit if they disturbed the ground on the fragile bluff near them. The city shrank back. Others were upset about raw stormdrain water going directly into the ocean (which it does anyway with temporary pipes during heavy rainfall). But neither is Beacons restoration part of Streetscape would just as much "rob" money from it.
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Can't beat a toilet when you need one! Beacons used to have two porta-potties for years. But haven't seen those in a LONG time. I imagine the wafting stench from them was complained about more than once by nearby residents. I would suppose if a normal restroom with running water were built at Beacons, the foundation for it would have to be there first. But then what would prevent that? Neighbors fear it would attract undesirables would want to hang out there and cause problems. Same dilemma with Leucadia Roadside Park. It used to have two concrete picnic tables, a large Bar-B-Que, Streetlamps and a drinking fountain. ALL GONE. Largely in part I think for the same reasons. I've heard people go to city hall comlaining about bums becomming fixtures there, being drunk, crashing and urinating in public. Now that it's just a nice green lawn it may have discouraged some occupiers, but like I said, the neighbors prefer the lawn to anything that was there or a public restroom.
The only solution to vagrancy is law enforcement and I think that's one thing N 101 has seldom had. I've seen more people hurt on 101 from velocity than ticketed (except of course for "trespassers" crossing the tracks - but that's NCTD collecting all that dough).
I read this Coast News article. It convinced me that the correct name of the beach is Beacon. The City goofed when they made the sign.
Deletehttps://thecoastnews.com/2013/07/hey-locals-its-beacon/
Muir thought it was Bacon strips....
DeleteThe stupid Seawall plan was the failed efforts of the incompetent City Engineering department. About half of that department should be fired. First up Shield- he makes more bad decisions that a crack whore on Sunday afternoon after her stash has been dry for more than 4 hours.
ReplyDelete8:23- What an amusing little fellow you are.
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ReplyDeletePlease don't insult me and call me "little fellow"…. haven't you learned yet that women rule the world?
City should hire a real woman City Manager who could fire all those worthless men in Engineering and other departments.
ReplyDelete8:59 lighten up, you are a bigot sexist chauvinist- own it narrow minded bully- reminds of when Shaffer told the city manager and staff she would'nt mind hiring a woman fire chief- bigot sexist shaffer
Deletein a fire I want the best person, isn't the equality>
War on woman my ass, try the war on my wallet
I have been resisting the urge to watch this so and so's video and now that I have, It made me want to puke. Heartless greed exemplified gloriously. Thanks for less than nothing. That is all I hope to ever hear from this despicable person in our midst. His value to this community of caring citizens is less than a zero if such a number were possible. Thanks WC you are providing an invaluable service for all of ourselves by giving us this venue for the truth to be heard.
ReplyDeleteHire a women City Manager, so she can fire all the worthless City Employees who are total deadwood at City Hall. Remember Women rule the world.
ReplyDeleteIf you love Encinitas Fire the weasel.
ReplyDeleteLast strike against Barth. See was on the selection committee to hire a life long government employee as a City Manager. IE- no real word life experience.
Gus has no idea how real world operations work, He's been on the government tit since childhood. To expect anything different would be ludicrous.
Every other city manager had the same profile, Cotton, Miller etc. Government is the real world, but as it is a representative democracy, there are different rules.
DeleteThe government is not the real world paradigm is false...
Wrong... Need a city manager with private business experience... Not government with no accountability .
DeleteJim the Realtor sounds like a total A-Hole. He's perfect for this blog.
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