Encinitas to turn over hotel guest records to police without a warrant.
Tony Kranz was the only council member who even expressed any concerns over privacy, and even he went along with yet another unanimous city council groupthink vote.
In other news, SANDAG is recording your license plate movements everywhere you go.
And we still haven't had a good public discussion of the Big Brother cam at Leucadia and 101.
Your children won't even find any of this unusual or troubling in any way.
P.S. May I recommend to both tourists and homeowners Air BnB? It's a great way to save money, make money, and meet interesting people... all while sticking it to The Man.
And another civil right just slipped away. Before you know it, there will be no protected information. I am sad that our City Council gave up so easily. Actually not sad, angry!
ReplyDeleteour city council signed on with the Mayors against gun violence that Bloomberg of the nanny state who bought his way out of term limits started, today the group claimed the Boston marathon islamic jihadist of hate and mass murderer was a victim of gun violence...........yes, that really happened.
DeleteParanoia runs deep into your life it will creep ---- if your not doing anything wrong ,why worry
ReplyDeleteI lived thru the 60's and I know how our rights have eroded. However, if you want to call me paranoid, I can live with it. I am older, and anything I have to hide at my age, the sheriff's don't want.
Deletenext comes your records Dr. Lorri. What have people been talking to you about besides prop A.
ReplyDeletePS- You better switch to Anon before someone flames you and you get your feeling hurt, ...... wait for it.... AGAIN.
On a more serious note, what ever happened to the term limits petition. I will sign it.
Teresa's been great but I think she is done. Along with Gaspar and Muir.
Who's going to challenge Gaspar or Muir?
DeleteOh..... there will be plenty!
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEHWsdimVO4
ReplyDeleteFred: What do you know about Agenda 21. I just Googled it and it sounds a bit scary if it is true.
ReplyDeleteIf it's true? they have been working on UN agenda 21 and regionalism for 2 decades. The anti UN agenda 21 crowd began warning people in 1994 to look out for words like sustainability, pedestrain friendly, walkability, green, warning that these words would be introduced by federal state and regional unelected governing bodies to begin a transformation of ending the suburbs and pushing high density housing to herd residents into easily controlled transit centers along rail, this enables control of food sources and reduces freedom of movement and mobility. Yes, it sounds a overly conspiratorial to me but I have to admit that some things people were warning about in 1995 are coming to pass. The scary thing to me is how dumbed down many newspapers and news outlets are today, and people of all ages are uninformed. You never saw that from people who lived thru the depression or WW! thru korea, the public was aware and concerned. Today many seem not to know and not to care. Good tpoic Dr. Greene, you might take heat over it, but it is good to bring up so people can decide for themselves.
Deletelol. Agenda 21 paranoia. And now you know the true nature of WC Varones.
Delete10:52,
DeleteYou caught me. I'm for peace, freedom, and civil liberties.
And I thought I was hiding it so well.
WCV
yew, when there is no argument to rebut facts then ridicule and mock. Fead learn decide for yourself.
DeleteAs for "Agenda 21 paranoia," there's nothing paranoid about it.
DeleteIt's all open and publicly acknowledged.
Read more about it here.
WCV - I agree, the UN 21 is information everyone should read. Encinitas should also question why we are part of that ICLI group. I would prefer we not be.
DeleteDr. Lorri-
ReplyDeleteMy suggestion to you is go anon. You know your going to get flamed and your feeling hurt.
What about the term limits action you committed too a couple of years ago?
Are you going back on your word?
Anon: 10:15. You may be right to go anonymous, but I will post this post in my own name. Regarding term limits. I am still for them. However, I have had some health setbacks that has made me a bit behind. And, when I did have better health, and asked for some help to get it going, unfortunately no one volunteered to help. This is the kind of thing that is hard to do alone. But, you are right. I did commit and I am sorry I could not keep that promise.
DeleteDr. Lorri that is not accurate. Please correct or delete.
DeleteDr. Lorri that is not accurate. Please correct or delete.
DeleteDr. Lorri, the Encinitas Project founders offered to help you. We asked that you attend the meeting where issues for direct voter action could be considered and ultimately one issue caught legs and was passed. It appears that there will be more to follow.
DeleteYou said you would not participate because of the possibility that Mr. Meiche might also participate.
Long before the Encinitas Project meeting, you had become upset because Meiche had asked you some questions about a park use issue, while you were a park and rec commissioner.
Thats OK Dr. Lorri. You fest up and have a great heart and soul.
ReplyDeleteYou believe in people time and time again, knowing in the end you will be let down and flamed.
The difference with Fred is when he gets flamed, he honestly can shrug it off and it doesn't effect his ego. For you, I'm not sure if you can say the same.
Do yourself a favor and go anon. As for the term limits, no worries, someone will pick up the torch. I wish you the best and will say some prayers for your health tonight whatever illness you are fighting. Best wishes.
Anon.
Hi Doc,
ReplyDeleteIt's just a subject a friend turned me on to, and the speaker seems well versed on the subject, having worked with land appraisals for 30 years discovering fraud and learning many pit-falls - so it's probably a good thing to keep aspects of her lecture / book in a mental file for future reference. She hit the nail on the head a few times talking about Redevelopement and multi-use complexes "with empty retail on the bottom and 2 story bankruptcy on the top". Among other things....
Thanks Fred. Been reading about it.
DeleteFirst they came for the communists,
ReplyDeleteand I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
The above is by a German intellectual written a not so long time ago. His name was Martin Niemoller.
DeleteYes, Tony was the only one to question this new ordinance. I also feel it is overly intrusive. I think that regarding police actions, State Law should prevail. I don't see that we need special ordinances.
ReplyDeleteOf course the police say they are not going to abuse this, but it seems as though they can go in and demand to see records for registries going three years back? And a photo ID must be provided? Maybe that's already the case, but what about "celebrities." What if they want to register under a pseudonym, for privacy?
Some police have abused their authority, as have other pubic officers. This law is supposed to help prevent human trafficking? But no cases were mentioned in North County. I don't feel that City Ordinances should be more restrictive than State Law and Case Law (legal precedent).
Part of what happened is that Solana Beach passed a similar ordinance, so the Sheriff Deputies came to us assuming we'd jump on the bandwagon. This was heard last on the Agenda, so no one was left to ask questions. I'm glad Tony asked a few.
Mark Muir made the motion to push it through, not addressing Tony's concerns. Tony probably didn't want to look as though he was voting for human trafficking, so he did go along with it. Just one more reason why some people might choose not to stay in Encinitas, if they feel their privacy would be compromised at a motel or hotel here.
Does this ordinance apply to "Vacation Rentals?" There will have to be a second reading of the ordinance, so if people really care, they can come to City Hall and express their concerns, then. There was one local police ordinance that went down to defeat, we called it the Police Intimidation Ordinance, because Maggie Houlihan and Teresa Barth voted no, saying it was already covered by the State, and Jim Bond was in Las Vegas, teleconferencing; when the vote came to him, there was a dial tone. So with Stocks and Dalager voting yes, that was a tie, and no action could be taken.
All this amuses me to no end, because as someone who walks or rides a bike EVERY day, what I see at the intersection of Encinitas Blvd, and Vulcan, is something straight out of WORLD WAR Z. Not only do people run red lights, but there are police within visual distance that routinely ignore these infractions, and now it's standard to block the entire intersection with people either too stupid, or impatient, or selfish who cannot wait for the green light on Hwy 101 (going south), to proceed, and if you are a pedestrian- GOOD FRIGGIN' LUCK!!! In the past three days I have almost been run over, and killed by cars driven by idiots who pretend to not see me, even when the signal allows pedestrian crossing (all of 24 seconds). Guess it's time to document this, and when I do, WCV, the scoop shall be yours.
ReplyDeleteThink I will do a Freedom of Information request to the sheriff, going back three years, and ask how many "criminals" , or criminal activities, have been actually caught using this ordinance, or have they even found one? Can anyone think of how to word it, or do you think the is clear as to what I want?
ReplyDeleteI know that City Beat has been doing a lot of California Public Records Act (CPRA) requests to the Sheriff and other officials re inmate deaths in California prisons. That weekly has had a lot of problems getting responses. Donna Frye who is now President of Californians Aware (Calaware) has said that the Sheriff has a "cavalier" attitude about fufulling public info requests.
DeleteI was reading last night, again in the City Beat, that Jerry Brown might make it HARDER for the public to get public info requests fulfilled, because of, you guessed it, budget constraints. So the sooner anyone puts in a request, at this point, the better. Right now, the City Clerk, or for the Sheriff, a position comparable to that, are supposed to help members of the public (or media) by directing us how to request certain documents. One of Tony's concerns was whether or not there would be a way to monitor such "inspections" of registries. No one came up with an answer, and the question was called without much discussion, except for Tony's few questions.
It seems as though the Sheriff's Dept. should have to keep a record of when these kinds of ordinances are used, for inspections. You know, emergency warrants are easy to get. They must describe a certain time and place for inspection. "Fishing trips" should not be allowed. There is no reason, in my opinion, for the Sheriff to be able to go back three years, either, as Tony also stated. And if these local ordinances are so hunky dory, then why hasn't something similar been instituted at a State level? No, this is overstepping, just as the President, through National Security Administration has overstepped his power to monitor public internet and telephone communications, all in the name of "safety."
Gus Vina as nominee for the City's most over-the-top employee award.
ReplyDelete12:45-I checked with a lawyer at the ACLU and he said that the 9th district court has upheld these kind of police tactics. However, he is going to look further in to it to see whether it is exactly what is happening here. I will still do the FOI request once I figure out who to actually send it to. Does anyone know if it should go to out local sheriff station, or to San Diego sheriff? I can do both, but also don't know if it should go to H.R. at the sheriff or to Bill Gore himself. Any help on this would be appreciated.
ReplyDelete8:50, this may be a longshot, but maybe someone at City Beat could help direct you? Also, I would contact the main number for the Sheriff's Dept, which is out of Vista, not San Diego, which has a City Police Dept. The non emergency person answering your call should be able to direct you as to where you could file a public info request.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I just read, in the Reader, I believe, that after many editorials from publications all over the State, that the California Public Records Act is not going to be weakened, after all, due to State Government concerns over our budget.
That's a good thing!
When the Agenda Item, #12, at the tail end of last Wednesday's Council Meeting, was discussed, it was stated that case law supports these kinds of tactics. But no actual legal precedent was provided. What bothered me, too, is that there were no reported instances of cases that required these types of investigations in our City, or even in North County. There were no specifics, at all. I don't think a compelling case was made to enact a new ordinance.
Someone suggested to me that local hoteliers should have clients sign a form saying that they understand their registry information, including their picture ID can be turned over to law enforcement authorities for three years in the City of Encinitas (or Solana Beach). Perhaps if potential clients knew this, they would choose to patronize hotels in other cities?
The hotels should come in and object to this during the second reading. It seems as though they should be notified, too, specifically, not just through posted Agendas. Hotels and motels are already paying into our City, substantially, through Temporary Occupancy Taxes.
Or Transient Occupancy Taxes.
ReplyDeleteFirst they came for the Transient Occupancy Taxes, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a transient.
DeleteWCV
then they came for the VRBO owners, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a VRBO owner.
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