The Encinitas Planning Commission — which two months ago rejected a proposed moratorium on new alcohol permits downtown — voted Thursday to ask the City Council to approve a new ordinance that would require bars and restaurants to meet tougher standards if they want to keep serving booze.
The so-called "deemed approved" ordinance is similar to what's in place in Ventura, another coastal town with similar alcohol-related complaints. The ordinance would create a new permit system for existing bars and restaurants requiring them to meet certain standards regarding noise and other public nuisance problems in exchange for an operating permit.
Saturday, April 8, 2017
Planning Commission resurrects alcohol proposal
Three years after the City Council rejected a "deemed approved ordinance" that would give the city more power to crack down on problem bars, and three years after the death of Rachel Anne Morrison who was killed by a driver who was severely overserved in Encinitas, and weeks after police checkpoints showed a continuing high rate of drunk driving, the Planning Commission is trying again.
I'll drink to that!
ReplyDeleteThank goodness! Long overdue!
ReplyDeleteWon't happen. Watch for scripted deliberation before it's shot down.
ReplyDeleteTony Kranz killed it the last time with his no vote by believing that the imaginary Encinitas Hospitality Association of downtown bars would step up. It was a ruse and a delaying tactic that worked for them. I am sure Tony gets all the free drinks he wants.
ReplyDeleteNow we have another chance, for all the good it will do.
Our once precious downtown is no more and I doubt there is any going back to what once had its own specialness and spiritualness.
A certain commissioner hasn't seen a bar application that he isn't in favor of, even when residents pleaded with him to not grant another license to serve on their alley 20' behind their home.
Glen O'Grady has shown he cares and wants to stop this proliferation.
Kevin Doyle has too. Appreciation goes out to the both of them. You two give us hope that some moderation of this trend may be possible. Thank you Glen and Kevin.
Al has been on the fence.
Guess who has shown he is the one to go to for nonstop alcohol serving approval?
After his last push for a license, the family chose to give up and put their family home up for sale. How could it be that a family was chased out of town all in the name of bringing in another alcohol serving establishment?
This will be third license on the same block and another is coming across the street on the very same alley.
Shameful. When is enough enough?
Put the proposed ordinance on the ballot and we can see whether it is a few prohibition advocates, like the Anti-Saloon League, that write on this blog or is it half the city that is upset. I for one think it's great to have a vibrant downtown with lots of eating establishments even when they serve liquor. I'd like to read the ordinance that the UNELECTED planning commission is proposing.
ReplyDeleteGet it right.
DeleteIt's the Encinitas Temperance League.
3:07 consider AA
ReplyDeleteLast time, Tony voted with Mark and Kristin. Council has a different make-up, now. We'll see.
ReplyDeleteCity Council love the small tax increase while it has no idea its killing its cash cow the property tax. Laymen aren't that up on City revenue and the City Manager appears to be on the wrong side supporting bars.
ReplyDeleteCity manager is on the side council tells her to be on. She "serves at their pleasure."
Delete10:34,
DeleteGreat theory, so long as you don't check actual real estate value trends.
"Vibrant." Code for get out of the way and let us develop the hell out of this town.
ReplyDeleteBuzz off. Go get vibrant at home.
Hey, this town is my home for over 70 years. You must be a newbie that has had a drinking problem so you want everyone else to see things your way. You are probably a democrat to boot. This town needs development to push it forward with the times. No matter what you think we will never be a sleepy town again.
DeleteSo you should buzz out of here move to a sleepy town that you can mold to live in the past.
7:55 AM **hic** I dreenks da dat **hic**
Delete7:55 says bring on the skyscrapers! Let's be Newport Beach!
DeleteAmen on the 70 year resident!!!! Thank you sir!
DeleteI think that we all know that a bunch of people from New York City and anal San Francisco moved to downtown Encinitas and they don't date and they don't drink. Drinking establishments is where Northern European Americans have always grown closer and where many have found their husbands and wives. Your intolerance to our culture is going to get you in big trouble. Don't show us how to live and don't tell us how to live or you'll be in big trouble! Don't try and force your way of life on us. Don't try and dominate us.
10:49 AM You breed in bars?? No wonder the mutation has occurred!
DeleteMore serving licenses being granted nonstop is the problem, whether the establishments call themselves bars or not, and when these are located closer than the 100' the ABC is supposed to not support , like the 20' behind Pandora's Pizza and the Leucadia Club and the Moto Deli on a shingle block, shows the ABC approves every application that comes before them.
ReplyDeleteIt is up to our reps to approve them or not, the ABC is spineless, and so are some of our people in the position to have a say. Some, like Glen O'Grady and and Kevin Doyle show they know this trend is destroying our community and they are appreciated. Others, not so much. We know who they are, they know who they are from their past rulings.
When families are forced to sell their homes and move out, all in the name of more serving licenses being granted where they shouldn't, it is a sad day here. How many more will it take before even these few people see that enough is already enough?
7:55am I have never had a drinking problem, so I have nothing to recover from.
However, I do treasure this community and do not want to see it become what it is becoming. I only wish that some of those that are in the position to have a say, would wake up and stop throwing the welcome mat out to every serving license application that comes their way, whether they call themselves bars or restaurants. The concentration is the issue and will never be enough for some while our specialness is being degraded every time another makes it through the process.
I'm all for stepped up enforcement against bars causing rowdy problems at 2 am.
DeleteBut that's not what you are fighting. You want to block me from having a beer at lunch with my pizza or sandwich.
I will fight you every step of the way, and so will most people in this town.
How many lunch beer places do you need, 9:35?
DeleteNo limit. The more choices, the better.
DeleteHow many are there now, 12:23?
DeleteIrrelevant.
DeleteIf there were more gas stations, would you use more gas? If there were fewer gas stations, would you use less?
"When families are forced to sell their homes and move out" I feel the same way about anti-American and anti-Christian yoga gyms. Yoga is for freaks, divorced feminists and homo men. I think that there should be a moratorium on yoga gyms. I don't like my children looking at the women wearing no bras with their camel toes and asses exposed the way that they are in those yoga gym clothes. I see my sons perving out in the back of the car when we drive by a yoga studio. Yoga is anti-Christian and promotes lots and lots of sex. What else are the guys in the yoga gym doing in the back row staying up when everyone else goes down. Let's create a permitting process for yoga gyms instead of bars. Girls don't wear camel toes ass crack yoga gym pants to bars, bars a lot more decent.
DeleteIt's possible there is now a council majority to pass a deemed approved ordinance for alcohol licenses. The majority would be Blakespear, Boerner-Horvath, and Mosca. Both Muir and Kranz previously voted NO. Muir might flip. He says he doesn't drink. Kranz is stuck because he likes the bar scene too much.
ReplyDeleteThings have changed since the last vote. Self-policing by the bar/restaurant owners is not working very well. There's too much money being made. More alcohol serving establishments are being approved. It's time for another council vote.
There is a new restaurant being remodeled where El Callejon used to be. It looks like it will be as large, if not larger, and will serve Asian Fusion ( I really don't know what that is) Of course, it has a liquor license. It may draw a different crowd than some of the bars, as I imagine it will be a bit pricey. At least with all of the remodeling that is being done I am assuming it will be pricey. I really don't know. Check it out. It's in the same center as Leucadia Pizza (called Moonlight Plaza). The parking is already horrible in that plaza, so I have o idea where anyone will park. Of course, the same problem existed with the former restaurant so maybe I am making too much of it.
ReplyDeleteYou are making to much of it as they are not the same plazas. City no longer requires parking for restaurants, it started with the E st cafe.
DeleteUmmm yes it's in the same plaza. You don't live here, do you, 4:10?
DeleteNo it's not the same plaza. And there are many times I wish I didn't live her because of all the idiots in this town.
DeleteSince Asian Fusion is replacing El Callejon by remodeling the same space in Moonlight Plaza, the former and coming restaurants have to be in the same plaza. Unless there was a major earthquake that shifted the geography, of course.
Delete10:45- you are still wrong but theses no changing your mind. I suggest you go and investigate but why bother you seem to know more that the average joe.
Delete6:24 How about you explain how the former El Callejon and the coming Asian Fusion are not both in Moonlight Plaza?
Delete" it's the same center at Leucadia pizza", L pizza and the new Japanese fusion restaurant are NOT the same center. No way, no how, no matter how many times you repeat it. Not the same. No no no.
DeleteWhat restaurant replaced El Callejon?
DeleteMoonlight Plaza was built in two phases. Open House Asian Fusion (El Callejon) is in the southern part (Phase I) and Leucadia Pizzeria is in the northern part (Phase II). Each phase has a parking lot but it is interconnected and appears as one lot. Moonlight Plaza is the name for both phases and physically appears as one development.
DeleteSo, whoever was insisting the two places are not in the same plaza was splitting hairs that should have been braided.
DeleteWhen a location has its license to serve, it is permanent for that address.
ReplyDeleteThis lack of consideration by some of our reps who have a say, is of their own making entirely, and they will own this forever with those of us who want to preserve what once was special and separated our community from PB and Huntington Beach.
It is not too much to ask that we put a limit on alcohol serving licenses in an already impacted area.
A couple of months ago, a brave young high school woman got up before the council and declared that her and her friends cannot go downtown after 6pm without feeling targeted by the 'vibrancy' that has been allowed to prosper in our downtown.
How and can this be tolerated and why? $$$$$$$$ Shameful. Absolutely.
High school girls shouldn't be going out downtown...unless they're looking for something 20-something cock.
DeleteWhat do you think the downtown scene is?
DeleteThey'll be happy to own it. They will never see past the dollar signs. They simply do not see the too-extreme vibrancy as a problem. It's instead an opportunity to squander more money on the next unnecessary, unwanted by residents trophy project.
ReplyDeleteAs long as there is tax revenue coming in, this city will approve it.
ReplyDelete10:57am is a prime example of what is so wrong downtown.
ReplyDeleteHe is the type of cretin who is right at home in the proliferating bar scene that has despoiled our city and caused so many problems with residents and non serving businesses being driven out.
Now high school girls, in his sick mind ,have no rights to be downtown. What have we come to, when an attitude like his has no shame?
This what the over saturation has wrought in our once peaceful, soulful, and spiritually based downtown. He is representative of a lower on the evolutionary scale human that shows humanity may not always be progressing up that scale.
Spiritually-based downtown?
DeleteWTF does that mean?
Seriously, finding a mate and enjoying camaraderi by perusing watering holes is part of any downtown and there is nothing spiritual about it. On the spiritual side of things, NO MORE YOGA GYMS. The parking taken up by all of these yoga gyms is a serious 'quality of life' issue BUT the large amount of camel toe and nipple sightings due to sking tight yogay gym clothes is a large improvement on our quality of life, especially horny men from 15 to 45.
Delete10:55AM and 9:07AM sounds like a rapists waiting to happen. Rage at women's bodies, sexual frustration and voyeurism. You need to see a therapist, QUICK!
Delete1:56pm You really are completely clueless.
ReplyDeleteYou can't fix stupid. Never mind.
The city approves all new restaurants and bars because of the money generated to pay salaries and pensions. Nothing more nothing less.
ReplyDeleteBreak the back of the staff and reduce all pay 50% and all pensions 50%, fire 50% of the staff.
Lord knows we would not notice the difference in the level of "service" if half the staff left.
DeleteI bet if the "obstructionists" left the city, you could probably drop half of staff and be fine. I believe most would agree.
DeleteWho would do staff's job and correct their error-ridden reports?
DeleteThe usual suspects are not going away. We are here defending our community for you and everyone else. They ask nothing but to be heard and stand for a representative democracy that has been degraded by the power of money, the ultimate corruptor.
ReplyDeleteOur community character is worth fighting for. Come on down. All are welcome to join the effort to preserve what we all have love about our community in the first place. Don't let it be sold out.