Several people have messaged me and say they don't want to post about bikes as they feel they will get slammed by 3 people, who I shall not mention. So, would it be possible to let the bike story go for a while. We all know how the ones that post think and feel. We also know at least 2 of our council members made it public to these people that they were all for whatever it is they want. Or at least that is what I was messaged, and what one person who did post said. So, I think we all know what is going on, and much more at this time is not needed. Perhaps you can talk about other things except bikes? For example, mass transit for all? I have posted several things in the last few days that are controversial in other cities, but people have either ignored, or are too engrossed with their own issues to pay much attention. I have no idea which is. I just know that when I get 3 messages saying some are intimidated it is my job as moderator to ask you to please let the bike issue go, unless there is new information. Thank you for helping keep this site up and vibrant.We can talk about it here.
Friday, August 16, 2019
Bike Wars
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How lame is that?
ReplyDeleteSo three people out of over 600 sent private messages saying they don’t want to comment on a subject because they are afraid of what others might say in response. Not complaining about what anyone actually did say—but what they may say in an imagined future, maybe. And the mod’s response: attempt to ban the subject for everyone. Are you F-ing kidding? Is this a joke?
How about telling the three who don’t want to comment that they are not required to comment,. But if they do comment, they should expect a debate that includes others who disagree, and that if anyone crosses a line into personal attacks, they will be dealt with.
This is a weak moderator in over her head. She cannot separate her own personal feelings about issues from her duties as an objective host. Also, the fishing for compliments and melodramatic “I need a break” posts need to stop.
Turn it over to Glen, please.
If I have to read her asking if she's doing a great job again..... puke
DeleteJust go and take your break.. no need to announce it lady!!!
I make comments all the time about the lie of "man made global warming". People refer to me as a moron or stupid but that will never stop me writing the truth of FAKE SCIENCE.
ReplyDeleteSo bike people, don't be afraid. Heck, you ride in front of my truck all the time when on the road so you are afraid to write a paragraph?
I support your wish to reveal yourself publicly as a total dope.
DeleteEvery town has their idiot. Thanks for volunteering 8:01.
DeleteYou need to clue in, 8:01. The EV post "bullies" ARE the bike people, D-bags like that Serge blowhard, who lives a routine, predictable lifestyle that accommodates bicycle transportation for much of his getting around.
DeleteMost people, particularly those with kids, live lives of impetuous, ad hoc randomness -- not all the time, but during free, discretionary time. Take the child to visit a friend here or there, shop for groceries or a meal to go, a drop off or visit to the beach, etc. Some of these trips might be done by bicycle, but most are limited by distance, the nature of the destination or the stuff you have to drag along, all of which necessitate a car.
Serge gets it, I'm sure, but he's one of those self-important, highly opinionated wind bags that appreciates only his own challenges. Its easy for him to characterize solo trips in a car as unsustainable, an opinion of fact offered in a vacuum and unaffected by a myriad of other mitigating factors.
Right you are, 8:01. Global Warming is just another big government jobs program based on fear mongering and our President sees right through it. It's always a good idea not be wasteful, to conserve resources, to recycle whenever possible. But to push that envelope into a world wide panic as if man could cause Global Warming (or even cow farts could) is ridiculous.
DeleteI don't understand. If you are afraid to comment then don't. If you don't like what other people say, don't read the blog. Personally, I think it is funny when all the idiots comment. Read and laugh at them.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you have a post about the TRO that the Cardiff group just received against the Cardiff School District?
Send a link? I didn't see that.
DeleteLorri is a crazy insecure moderator. She asks people 3-4 times if she should keep the page public or private. Despite majority (95%)wanting it to be private, she made it public anyways. She constantly contradicts what she says. She seeks approval and is thin skinned.
ReplyDeleteSomeone please start another Encinitas Page and leave this one to die
Hello Everyone,
ReplyDeleteAs many of you have seen, major construction is underway at the Cardiff School campus. Most of the original buildings have been demolished, mature trees have been cut down, and significant grading has taken place. As a reminder, all of this work is supposed to be part of "Phase 1" of the project which avoids further violations of the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF) Agreement that protects George Berkich Park in perpetuity. In spite of this, the District had Phase 1 plans to create a stormwater detention basin and other destructive work inside the boundary of George Berkich Park.
On July 24, representative of SAVE THE PARK, BUILD THE SCHOOL (STPBTS) appeared in California Superior Court to request a temporary restraining order (TRO) be issued to prevent irreversible damage from taking place at Berkich Park. In a significant win for STPBTS Judge Earl Maas issued this TRO. Language from the TRO clearly states that George Berkich Park is not to be touched until further notice:
“IT IS ORDERED” that Defendant Cardiff School District … be restrained and enjoined from engaging in, committing, or performing, directly or indirectly, by any means whatsoever, the following acts:
Performing or causing to be performed any further construction activities for the Cardiff School Modernization and Reconstruction Project within the existing 6(f)(3) boundary … commonly known as George Berkich Park…
This Temporary Restraining Order shall be effective until further order from the Court.”
Our continued success in saving the park depends on generous donations made by those who believe George Berkich Park is important to our community. Please consider adding your support by making a tax deductible donation to our cause: https://www.buildtheschoolsavethepark.com/get-involved/
Thank you,
Daniel
This is Lorri Greene. Thank you for the post W.C. or whoever is now running this site. I will post an announcement on E.V. for people to come over here to talk about bikes. An easy solution to what has been a difficult discussion to moderate. Of course you didn't point out how this comment came to be, but no worries. I would love to let Glen moderate but he is never available to do it. Any takers from this group/ Of course you would have to post your name, and it can't be anonymous. When 3 cyclists ( 2 who don't live in Encinitas) met with Jody Hubbard and Kellie Hinze to lobby them, and, according to the persons involved, they both agreed with them that bikes should basically take over vehicle lanes in Encinitas, I guess that is OK with you all. Great because that is what is happening. ECR is allegedly going to get a full lane devoted to bikes, if you believe what people are saying. Regarding bikes, there has been a lot of bullying and shaming on E.V. . I realize that anything goes on EU, so I am happy to make an announcement sending all bike stuff to you. Have a wonderful day.
ReplyDeleteyou posted as anonymous. It doesn't matter that you say you are Lorri Green, anyone can.
DeleteDifficult discussion to moderate?
DeleteJust get out of the way!
Lorri is sincere and deeply concerned about the fate of Encinitas. She's the principal moderator of the Facebook group Encinitas Votes. As the creator and moderator, she can conduct the group however she wants. If the great majority of members approve of her moderation, that will reinforce her practice and she will continue.
ReplyDeleteI suppose it's a good thing to have about 600 people in the group engaged in Encinitas issues. My guess is many more read the posts but are not members, so they cannot comment. As it is, only about 25 people repeatedly comment.
One is a bike guy named Serge. He is a master bullshitter. He must have gotten his PR training from Glen Broom or at least read Broom's book.
Another goes by the name Isolde Triste. The name does not sound real. She/he insists that Blakespear's mother, Tricia Smith, is determined to build high-density housing in her backyard. It is Rossini Canyon property in Cardiff. It is zoned R-3. Does anybody really believe that as sly as Blakespear and her mother are, they are out to rezone to R-30 and build condos or apartments immediately adjacent to their own homes?
Moreover — and here is the rub — what does a group of people doing nothing more than talking among themselves accomplish? There is one sub-group among the members who have actually done something: They took action and apparently stopped the imposition of Cardiff School construction on the adjacent park.
The rest of the people are just mouthing off. Are they going to tilt the 2020 election one way or another? Doubtful. Are they starting a recall of electeds? No. Are they getting a ballot proposition going? No. Are they suing the city over alleged offenses? No.
So, basically, the group that Lorri so lovingly mommies is a bunch of complainers who fall far short of effectiveness. The difference between EV complainers and EU complainers is the EV people have to play by Lorri's rules, as supported by most members. EV posters have free rein to say whatever they want — except for the antisemitic Nazi who occasionally posts ugly screeds.
You mean EU posters have free rein. You were so anxious to school everyone on every subject under the sun, you got confused.
DeleteAs far as your "rub?" Don't be so sure the 2020 election won't tilt. I saw my first "Re-elect Blakespear" sign the other day on Vulcan. Weirdly early to start, but indicative that someone's nervous.
So, 2:14, you closely read 12:27 and the worst error you could find was a typo. Yes, it's EU posters who have free rein. Thank goodness for that.
DeleteYou've demonstrated that blockheads like you need schooling.
If the 2020 election tilts away from Blakespear, Kranz and Hinze — a fervent hope — it won't be because of EV and EU posters and readers. It will be because the council's policies and actions have alienated enough voters that they and the word of mouth they spread will have awakened the usually sleeping populace.
Not the worst I could find, just trying to follow here. No one is claiming EV and EU posters are going to flip the council majority.
DeleteJust what exactly is your complaint?? Your logic is a moving target. Do you want them unseated, or are you trolling?
Did you read the post immediately above yours? If you did, you must have missed the "fervent hope" part. If anybody has to explain 12:27's post to you, you really do need schooling!
DeleteShe just used this thread as an excuse to do more fishing for compliments.
ReplyDeleteI guess the role of a good moderator is to make themselves the subject as much as possible.
I'd say it's more a case of blakespear sending the 3 bike nuts to promote her biking propaganda than the other way around.
DeleteTypical sneaky behind the scenes behavior she learned from Barth and Shaffer.
Yeah, brilliant move. Send your acolytes who oppose your pet project to ridicule it in public. Genius!
Deletehuh? what pet project?
DeleteThe 101 restriping project favored by council which adds a parking-protected bike lane in Cardiff is not supported by 2 if not 3 of the "bike nuts" as far as I can tell. Do you know different?
DeleteSo? What's your point? Who cares whether they want striping on a particular street.
DeleteThe main point those out of town bicycle fanatics were sent to post about was how we need to get out of our cars and change our "modes" and all manner of scenarios in a big brother attempt to get those who MUST use cars to instead join a handful of recreational cyclists in taking over our roads.
Got it now?
The point is the restriping project is what they really, really want. It makes no sense to send people to post who are opposed to that project.
DeleteIf you think the main point being made by those out of town bicycle fanatics is people need to get out their cars, one of us has a serious reading comprehension problem. By my reading their main point is they just want to keep riding safely and without harassment mostly up and down 101.
Come now 5:46, you know better. The three sent by Blakespear have posted about a lot more than just Cardiff restriping and their idea of what constitutes 101 safety over the past 6 months.
DeleteYou're ignoring months of hammering on EV about how we all need to get our of our cars and yes - that is their main point. If you're not aware of their relentless arguing then you have some serious reading ahead of you if you want to be fully informed.
Joining them in trying to make Blakespear out to be doing the right thing is not going to convince anyone.
Aug 16 11:34 pm, you need to pay more attention to exactly who is saying what over there. Your wires are seriously crossed.
DeleteAre some of you members of Encinitas Votes? Cause I am and I am sure hearing it very differently here than what I read on Encinitas Votes. What I get is that there is a huge bike lobby, who lobbies the Council and Traffic Commission to get what they want. And they want a hell of a lot more than just safty and riding without harrassment on 101. Don't you remember when EU shared a post from EV by Jeremy Blakespear. The Council reads that site, and since names are posted, it is sometimes a risk to have your name associated with the wrong group. Queen Catherine is pro bike, therefore the whole council has to be pro bike. Not sure how Kranz gets around on a bike, but that's a story for another day. So she has a couple of council members meet with the 3 main people and out of it comes all sorts of requests or demands. This town is being run by a few people at the expense of a lot of citizens. That's the STORY if anyone cares to check in to it. Of course, it's easier to sit around posting anonymously and trashing the moderator of EV. Hell, at least she's at city council meetings, volunteers, does CPRA requests, and presents the information to the City Council. They don't like her. So you are all adding to the perception that Catherine is right. What a bunch of dung.
ReplyDeleteGood post. Serious lack of logical thinking on this site. Many posters are so stuck on Lorri they can’t even discuss the bike stuff. I suspect it’s too hard for them to talk facts and connect ideas so they just crap on Lorri.
DeleteLorri this Lorri that, derp derp. A bunch of windows lickers that think they are geniuses, sad.
We got a rail trail, next, the great grape smuggling route.
To all ratepayers in the San Dieguito Water District (SDWD):
ReplyDeleteThe city manager and the Council and Mayor are pulling a fast on the water users. On the SDWD agenda for next week on the consent calendar item 8I is a ploy called reorganizing the water district which shifts management titles, changes titles, and adds the city's waste water divisions to the independent SDWD to make a city utilities department. Why should the SDWD be combined with an inept city department. No to the city manager and her flunky council/mayor on this idea.
These numbskulls making these inept decisions are leftists. Everything the left does fails. Just look to the State of California as an example. Keep voting in leftists and this is what you get. Fools.
ReplyDelete6:10 I prefer your posts to be in the original German. Why do you live here?
DeleteCalifornia is doing well, including supporting the republican welfare states. Thanks for chiming in once again, we appreciate our village idiot.
DeleteAnd there it is, again. The reference to Germans, idiot and welfare states. Same ol' responses. I'm surprise racist wasn't thrown in there. And by the way genius', tens of thousands of bums living on the streets in the major cities in California, oh' and sanctuary cites. Yes in deed, California is doing just dandy. Please, more lane diets for fictional bicycles riders.
Delete9:39, the stupid is strong with you
DeleteCalifornia’s homeless problem is due to our proximity to red states like Nevada and Arizona.
Deletehttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.governing.com/topics/health-human-services/tns-nevada-hospital-psychiatric-patients-lawsuit.html%3FAMP
Apparently 9:50 you didn't listen to the failed leftist governor of California. Last week he stated "the homeless are coming from all over the U.S"
DeleteWhat's the definition of "leftist"?
DeleteWhy do red states typically take more federal tax dollars than leftist states? Why do leftist states have better educated people than red states? Most of the sane people in this country disagree with BOTH parties on lots of issues. Stop the hate and think more.
DeleteOK, 9:14, happy to oblige: Diese Taubköpfe, die diese unfähigen Entscheidungen treffen, sind Linke. Alles, was die Linke tut, schlägt fehl. Schauen Sie sich als Beispiel den Bundesstaat Kalifornien an. Stimmen Sie weiter für Linke, und das bekommen Sie. Narren.
DeleteAufwiedersehn mutterficken schlangen essener.
DeleteWas? Magst du meine Schlangen nicht?
DeleteEncinitas Votes is getting worse and worse. A good moderator would block non-residents from participating. Sure, people who work in Encinitas and bike through town on weekends can care about our city, but they should be banned from trying to influence voters by whining in this group.
ReplyDeleteHow effective is local activism? People speak at council meetings. People do public records requests, then post the results on local forums. Does that accomplish anything beyond getting a few people talking?
ReplyDeleteKranz was reelected in '16. Blakespear was reelected in '18. Mosca and Hubbard were elected in '18. Have any of them followed the will of the majority of residents?
McPherson and the Melrose Neighbors exposed the quick deletion of city email correspondence. Let's hope their legal action accomplishes still more.
Exactly. It's completely ineffective because even though the councilmembers may listen, they don't change their minds based on what citizens say. The EV people are the worst - no memory. They criticize Tasha for gerrymandering the districts, then ooh and ahh over her for assembly. They attack Jeremy Blakespear for his wierd rant about Krisin Gaspar, then continue to praise his wife. The latest is that they say EU needs to come up with a candidate to defeat the incumbents. Are they planning to do the same?
Delete5:24 trying to create confusion, doing a terrible job. For those of us who read EV we see that the vast majority do not "ooh and ahh" over Tasha and a surprisingly large number of people are willing to put their names to strong opposition to the entire council, naming Blakespear specifically.
DeleteWhere did anyone say "EU" needs to come up with a candidate to defeat the incumbents?? I'm seeing discussion about it, but "EU?"
You're trolling and it's not working.
Quoting a post on EV:
Delete"Beverly Goodman Encinitas Undercover needs to come up with viable candidates or give it a break!"
How in the world would a forum site come up with candidates? Has EV come up with candidates?
You posted "EU." Not the same as "EV." Slow yourself down.
DeleteAnd someone replying to Bev Goodman is your example? Hehehe.
You are mistaken, 11:39.
Delete11:21 copied and pasted Beverly Goodman's EV post saying EU needs to come up with candidates.
You could go look.
OK, got it now. Well, Bev is one voice with whom you'll see most don't engage. She can run if she likes.
DeleteWho's running and has a good chance of unseating an incumbent?
DeleteIncumbents rely on voter complacency.
DeleteWalk and Biking should always get priority, next electric rides. Lowest priority includes any noise pollution machine. Fuck all you straight pipe losers!!
ReplyDeleteThere are many people who are working on finding candidates to challenge Blakespear, Hinze and Kranz. They will not be posted here or on Encinitas Votes. All in good time. A lot of money is out there to get rid of these 3. And, fortunately, there are some people willing to run. As you all know, most of Encinitas politics is not put out there, either on FB pages, blogs, or other things of that nature. However, in time, these people will come forward, and if you don't like the 3 incumbents, you can contribute to their campaigns. You will know when that time comes.
ReplyDelete"You don't need to see his identification." --Ben Kenobi
DeleteWhoever runs for the three seats, let's hope they win and don't flip against the residents as other recent winners have.
DeleteThe is how Lorri Greene keeps comments about her positive. She will remove you from her club, I mean page. You can still read EV, but you can't comment. Censoring those she doesn't agree with is her victory.
ReplyDeleteKinda puts the conversation and the usefulness of the club, I mean page, in a very narrow channel, doesn't it?
ReplyDeleteyup, this happened to me too
ReplyDelete10:15 - 1:00 the same poster. Good riddance and good call on the Dr's part. Trolls not welcome. Start your own page. You could call it "Re-elect the shills in 2020" although that might be too transparent.
ReplyDelete1:15, you should wash out the stink from licking Dr's ass
ReplyDeleteooooh someone hit a troll's nerve.
Delete10:15 and 1Pm- You poor babies. What did you do to incur such wrath from the moderator of E.V.? There are 639 members of that group and I have seen some pretty nasty posts by members of that group. And they are still in the group. So unless you want to fess up and tell us your name, you are trolls in the worst sense of the word. At least use your own name to have some creds. Of course on this site you can say anything about anybody and get away with it. If you think you can run a better site, I say go for it. Even EU is a member of EV. Some of you have way too much time on your hands. Why do you care so much about trashing Lori? What did she ever do to you? Unless, of course, it's Jerome Stocks then we know why you hate her. I wish she had filed a sexual harassment suit against you, Jerome, when you first messed with her. She didn't want to do it then, and it's probably too late now. This blog has really gone down the tubes I will say that. Most of the original posts are no coming from E.V. So Lori does all the work by researching things, and whoever runs this site just cuts and pastes. Sweet deal.
ReplyDelete4:35: Hi Lorrie!
DeleteAgree with most of what you said except the last snark. What "deal" are you referring to? WC makes no money off us. If you mean he's not researching and posting his own material much of the time, then take your own advice and start your own blog and do ALL the work. Worry about yourself and don't assign a workload to someone else because you want to sit back and watch while another does the heavy lifting.
Delete5:42: first of all there is no 4:35 and second, Dr. Lorri (not Lorrie) always posts under her own name. You're a trolling coward.
Deleteoh the irony of telling people to post their real names while posting under anonymous. Lorri does not always post under her real name and you know it.
DeleteActually, I don't know it. You are a troll. Start your own blog. Your campaign ain't working.
DeleteSilly post, 4:25.
DeleteI don’t normally read this blog but two questions...why are the posts anonymous? Why is everyone so focused on EV ?just curious.
ReplyDeleteIs Encinitas Undercover a blog? It's a discussion about Encinitas topics among whoever posts. Isn't it more a forum than a blog? One of the boxes at the left says "Blog Archive" so maybe it is a blog.
DeleteWhat does it matter if the people who post are anonymous. Doesn't what's said matter more than who says it?
it's a "blogspot," a type of site not necessarily for blogging only - enables other posters to chime in.
Deletelots of talk on trolls, simple test to spot one: attention is focused on complaining about/killing the messenger and none on the message itself.
Nearly everyone in EU is also on EV.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to provide critical feedback to the EV moderator, you need to do it here, because she can’t handle it directly. She’ll block you.
No, just you.
Delete1:50 yawn. It's true, she either removes or blocks so you can't comment. Remember folks, LG had to surrender her license after complains to the CA Board.
DeleteJust you.
DeleteWere the complaints about hovering like an obsessed, controlling, busybody granny and exhibiting an exaggerated sense of self-importance?
Delete4:29, yes she's that and for being unethical in her practice
DeleteShooting the messenger fits the def of a troll.
DeleteAny specifics on unethical?
Delete6:19, I don't know the specifics
DeleteAnd in other news:
ReplyDeleteThe attorney Marco Gonzalez is endorsing his special brand of density bonus. His project (client) on Santa Fe Drive received many waivers from the required code. Lot size was chopped up into small pieces. The property is zoned R-8 (8 houses per acre. Marco wanted 14 lots. To do this the required lot size of 5,400 square feet for each house lot was reduced to about half that size.
Net Lot Area: 5,400 s.f. required by code
Marco Gonzalez got the developer the following lot sizes:
2,280 sq.ft.
2,181 sq.ft.
2,445 sq.ft.
2,245 sq.ft.
2,282 sq.ft.
2,573 sq.ft.
2,194 sq.ft.
2,393 sq.ft.
2,749 sq.ft.
2,768 sq.ft.
3,174 sq.ft.
2,262 sq.ft.
2,309 sq.ft.
3,520 sq.ft.
That is 14 waivers in substandard lot sizes.
Another 14 waivers in substandard lot width.
Another 14 waivers in substandard lot depth.
Another 14 waivers in substandard front yard setbacks.
Front yard setback should be 25 feet. Waivers given - 5 lots had only 1 foot front yard setback. 2 lots had only 2 feet front yard setback. Two lots had 3 feet front yard setback. One lot had a 4 feet front yard setback. 2 lots had a 5 feet front yard setback. Two lots left - one with 6 feet front yard setback, one with 11 feet setback.
There are also waivers for side yard setbacks and back yard setbacks. Marco Gonzalez really helped the developer get approval for the crowding of houses.
Uh-oh. Now you’ve done it.
ReplyDeleteThe EV moderator has taken her ball and gone home.
No soup for you.
oh gawd who cares? get a life. believe you mean no soup for YOU.
DeleteIt's a great loss for the community.
Delete10:47 is so oblivious he doesn't know a joke when he sees it.
Delete10:47 you must be the funniest guy at a party
DeleteIs the new czar of density bonus help attorney Marco Gonzalez?
ReplyDeleteMarco Gonzalez has sold his soul and is widely detested by most people in Encinitas. His remaining friends are Teresa Barth, current council, and developers. I am ashamed that I ever supported him or defended him to others.
DeleteTurncoats gonna turncoat
ReplyDeleteLorri Greene has come out of retirement to take a job at Google:
ReplyDelete"Google said it would appoint employees to moderate the company’s famously raucous internal message board ... acknowledging that the discussions have spiraled out of control."
Google said in a public memo: "While sharing information and ideas with colleagues helps build community, disrupting the workday to have a raging debate over politics or the latest news story does not."
10:16: now that's how you play the game! Bravo
ReplyDelete10:16- Kind of hard to do since she died a couple of days ago. Google will have to hire someone else.
ReplyDeleteIf true, that's sad. If false, 4:09 is a sicko.
DeleteSooo many people preoccupied with the Dr. while Encinitas burns.
ReplyDeleteCan only assume y'all feel very threatened that the status quo may not old. Good.
4:44 — Try posting something that makes sense.
DeleteLorri is alive and still feeling morally superior
ReplyDelete