The city council incumbents seem to be relying on this “stroad” concept to justify the removal of traffic lanes from Leucadia 101.
But when a road diet—removing lanes and shrinking the stroad to the more appropriate dimensions and design of an urban street—is proposed, the same objection universally arises from concerned citizens:
“What will happen to all the traffic?”
In fact, the answer reveals a fundamental paradox of traffic flow: removing the highest-capacity leg in a network may actually make the network as a whole function better, with less congestion and smoother travel.
Are Neptune and Vulcan really equipped to handle all the traffic from a constricted 101?
Anybody pushing this as a plan for Leucadia 101 has zero grasp of the facts.
ReplyDeletehinze thinks it makes sense.
DeleteI think it make sense and I think you are clueless on the matter. Go ride your bike or walk on I5 today. That is essentially what the PCH and now NCHwy101 are built for 70 mph cars.
DeleteThe streetscape is needed and all the anti streetscape people are too stupid to discuss the matter with anyway. The redshirts are as dumb as dirt.
For those semi logical, look up latent demand. If you reduce the capacity of the road, the cars will not go to Neptune because its one direction north and its slow 15 mph. Most cars will go back to I5 where they belong.
The capacity of the roadway is limited by the intersections capacity anyway dummies. It doesn't matter whether you have one lane or two, only so many cars, bikes, and pedestrians can travel through Leucadia Blvd./Hwy101 intersection during any peak hour. Right now the City has it so screwed up, no one even following the signals anyway. If you want to fix that street fix that intersection.
Either make it all way stop which works much better when the signals are in the all way flash mode, or put in duel roundabouts at Hwy101 and Vulcan. There is plenty of room and that intersection would function like a well greased clockwork. But again redshirts are way to stupid to think about real solution. they just like to bitch and keep their head in the sand.
The plan to send overflow vehicles onto residential side streets makes sense?? Is that what you called clued in?
DeleteIf it makes so much sense why doesn't Hinze and the council tell people all about it so they can get excited, too?
The 101 has been fine for 70 years and now all of a sudden it isn't fine? There "they are again". Everything they do they destroy. Just leave things alone...Who is they? The left.
Delete101 is not fine. Its a highway designed to freeway speed standards running right through our beach town. Its unsafe for pedestrians and bicylists. It's bad for our Citizens and all public's quality of life, the environment and the community.
DeleteWe deserve better and we will fix the problem.
I do not expect you to understand. You are likely and old idiot who will pass soon anyway.
2:31 You are a bit confused. There is a speed limit posted and speed bumps. You are probably one of those anorexia types in spandex with too much college and no sense.
Delete3:56- Wrong on every point.
DeleteNeptune is a highly congested and narrow suburban access road. Vulcan is a primitive 2 laner, that also borders and accesses adjacent suburban concentrations. Plus there is a school along that route, making for a choke point. These roads cannot withstand additional traffic pressure without considerable dysfunction.
ReplyDeleteStreetscape. Another Ill conceived waste of non existent tax payer dollars to the glory of our soon to be past Mayor. Vote her gone.
ReplyDeleteYes, vote her out and vote out Hinze and Kranz, too, sycophants, who are in total lock-step with CB, our exiting mayor.
DeleteBring it on. Can’t wait.
ReplyDeleteSo glad this is finally happening.
The 101 was designed before I-5, and the design objective at the time was similar to I-5.
It’s completely inappropriate roadway design today. I-5 is currently being widened to take even more traffic, and that’s where the high speed thru traffic needs to go.
Some people fear change, I get it. But this is good change. In the end we will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.
Unless you’re in the 0.5% of the population that is too stupid to figure out a traffic circle. I’m sorry, but if you are that stupid, you really shouldn’t be driving in the first place. You are a hazard, and your family should have taken away the keys years ago. Tough love.
8:44 I'm curious as to what property you own on the 101.
DeleteSo classic of a comment and argument. if the streetscape is so bad for everything, why do the highway 101 property owners and all us community members want it besides a few grumpy old retarded redshirts anyway?
DeleteHere is answer- because it would be great for quality of life, the environment, and surrounding property values thats why. The street needs to be more balanced to serve the beach community, not not just serve as freeway travel. Bring on a more balanced, quiet beach serving roadway that I want to walk along and ride my bike with my kids and grandma. You commuters can held back to I5 where you belong.
Bingo, 9:11.
Delete"Quality of life" by normal definition is not making the 101 supposedly quieter at the expense of neighborhoods.
its not at the expense its at the pleasure of receiving the improvement which is why most local residence supported the streetscape during its long development phase. Its only the slow few redshirts that didn't understand the objectives and alternatives and just want everything to be just like it was in 1958.
DeleteMost residents did not support the roundabout and lane deletion plan. That's a lie. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
Delete1144pm - you must live in a different universe. The overwhelming community support is documented in by the many workshops and public outreach efforts. Your lying gibberish makes no sense and you should just stay in your house anyway. No one listens to nonsense. We all understand you are pissed that people didn't agree with your nonsense and they supported bettering our neighborhood. Now go plan another bridge game or something. Your time is ticking.
DeleteAnd don't forget all those trees! Who needs 'em, and besides they'll put in new little ones and then we get to watch them grow. Uh, too bad half of us will be dead by the time they reach maturity, but hey....tough love!!
ReplyDeleteI think it make sense. Go ride your bike or walk on I5 today. That is essentially what the PCH and now NCHwy101 are built for 70 mph cars.
ReplyDeleteThe streetscape is needed and all the anti streetscape people are too stupid to discuss the matter with anyway. The redshirts are as dumb as dirt.
For those semi logical, look up latent demand. If you reduce the capacity of the road, the cars will not go to Neptune because its one direction north and its slow 15 mph. Most cars will go back to I5 where they belong.
The capacity of the roadway is limited by the intersections capacity anyway dummies. It doesn't matter whether you have one lane or two, only so many cars, bikes, and pedestrians can travel through Leucadia Blvd./Hwy101 intersection during any peak hour. Right now the City has it so screwed up, no one even following the signals anyway. If you want to fix that street fix that intersection.
Either make it all way stop which works much better when the signals are in the all way flash mode, or put in duel roundabouts at Hwy101 and Vulcan. There is plenty of room and that intersection would function like a well greased clockwork. But again redshirts are way to stupid to think about real solution. they just like to bitch and keep their head in the sand.
If you live on Hermes, Hygeia, Hymettus...get ready. Those streets are slated by this council to pick up the slack of a backed-up 101.
ReplyDeleteThe council also thinks cut through traffic brings "vibrancy" to neighborhoods. If you vote for the three incumbents, you'd better get ready to enjoy. Lock up your kids and pets because the vibrancy is headed your way.
Go pedal fear somewhere else.
DeleteWe’re not buying.
You people don't listen or think logically. There is absolutely NO WAY the city will spend $50M on Leucadia. NO WAY. They haven't bid the project yet and I'm pretty sure this is a $85-100M project. It's not going to happen.
ReplyDeleteThe city is all hat and no cattle.
Several pro and con posts above are typically ignorant. If you don't have the facts straight, your opinions are worthless.
ReplyDeleteThere is nowhere near enough room for roundabouts at Leucadia Blvd, Vulcan and 101.
Drivers divert to 101 when the freeway plugs. Otherwise, few use 101 instead of the freeway. Most of the 101 traffic is destination, not cut through. IOW, the drivers are going to or from a local home or business.
The segment of Streetscape from Marcheta to Basil has already been put out for bid. The max cost is $7.3 million. See the mayor's latest newsletter.
You get your information from the mayor's newsletter?
DeleteIt happened at the most recent council meeting. The mayor reported it in her newsletter. Is that good enough for you?
DeleteDefinitely not. She's notorious for either lying outright or leaving out important details, a different kind of lie.
Delete"There is nowhere near enough room for roundabouts at Leucadia Blvd, Vulcan and 101" Really? Why do you say that? I've seen conceptual plans that show otherwise.
DeleteOh, I know. You are a red shirt. You do not care about facts... You just scream louder that it just will not work. Just like you say the existing roundabouts controlling hundreds of thousand vehicle trips and thousands of pedestrian and bike trips on Leucadia Blvd., Sante Fe Ave, Carlsbad Blvd and State Street, and the five on La Jolla Blvd. - don't work. Because you know better. Ha.
All the roundabouts on N. Coast Hwy 101 will work great including ones at Hwy101 and Leucadia Blvd. in the future when smarter leaders our leading our City.
It looks to me like you have your fact off and your opinion is worthless like all the other anti-streetscape idiots.
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DeleteThis "idiot" thinks streetscam is a waste of tax dollars and a burden on the public. The cost/benefit equation doesn't support it. Improve 101, but not this way.
Delete11:33 touts facts yet produces no evidence. I use 101 frequently for cut through. I very rarely use, maybe 10 times a year, the destinations on 101. Why should my experience be much different than the next guy/gal? If I travel to Carlsbad, it's more likely I will use 101 versus risk traffic snarls on the 5.
DeleteAnd your argument at 9:43 is nonsensical. With respect to traffic throughput, you argue it matters more to traffic backup that the Leucadia intersection exists, but it doesn't matter if you have one versus two lanes at the Leucadia intersection. Huh? With two lanes in either direction, a hot summer day can see cars backed up for half a mile or more. Now combine two lanes into one, which means a mile long line of cars, and put a roundabout at the Leucadia intersection instead of a light. You've partially solved the hard stop issue of cars, but with a slow, steady trickle. Is the half mile long line of cars any shorter in this scenario? Almost certainly not.
At a cost of tens of millions of dollars, what is the city council buying for its citizens!? Will they name each roundabout after one of our illustrious city council leaders, the largest and most grand reserved for Catherine the Great? Ha!
1:36 Look at the agenda items. The vote was 5-0.
DeleteThere's not enough room for roundabouts at Leucadia Blvd, 101 and Vulcan. That's why none have been proposed there.
DeleteThere's not even enough room at Sea Bluff, Grandview and Jupiter for roundabouts. That's why the city is buying private property at those intersections, which, incidentally are all within a half mile at the north end.
There's not enough room at El Portal for a roundabout. That's why the one there is 10 feet smaller in diameter than the other three, and the city isn't buying private property there.
Before you post, it's a really good idea to know what you're talking about. You don't.
Driving from Encinitas to Carlsbad or vice versa is not cutting through. It's driving from one coastal city to another on a public road.
I agree with the first part of 3:13, but everything after idiot starts going south. ;)
Delete4:06 - you have no idea what you are talking about. They designed the proposed roundabouts bigger than needed and they obtained a few minor easements from private property owners on the corners. Big deal. You are slow and uneducated on the subject. Enjoy spending the rest of your slow life sitting at red lights moron and I hope you or your family members do not get T-boned and killed by a red light runner.
DeleteHinze supported cut through traffic then tried to back out of it. https://thecoastnews.com/letter-on-the-stroad-again/
ReplyDeleteTo show how bad the existing Mayor and city Council are, I support the streetscape and I still voted against all incumbents due to the incumbents action on promoting homeless problems and overdevelopment/selling out our town.
ReplyDeleteThose two issues are pinnacle to the streetscape and the streetscape will happen due to the lawsuites and the known hazardous conditions that will keep draining the taxdollars to ambulance chasers. Watch for Gonzales to start jumping on the money train and start suing the City for not addressing the known hazard that has maimed so many and still exists to destroy the lives of other innocent victims in the near future.
2018 Roberta Walker - I am guessing $15 million.
2017 Stephanie- Family members said 30-year-old Stephanie Berger McKenna was cycling home after dinner, headed south on North Coast Highway 101, when she was hit near Basil Street in Encinitas about 10 p.m. Her husband was skateboarding behind her.Aug 16, 2017 - I'm guessing another $10 million payout.
Next one - ??
Next one - ??
The roadway will get fixed. It's too expensive to the tax payers to not fix it, and all those lives destroyed.
The 101 is no different than any other high use road anywhere in the world. If these accidents result in multi-million dollar payouts then most of the roads in this town will have to be shut down. 2:20: Where is your property on the 101?
Delete2:20, what a near worthless comment. The snippet that had any worth at all was the fact that you voted against the incompetent, insulated incumbents. Otherwise... What is it with delusional people who believe that life is a zero risk endeavor? Roberta Walker rode onto 101 in the dark off a side road without lights or reflective clothing -- at that hour, the chances were 1/1000 that she'd intersect with a car. If she'd stopped, 1/1,000,000. But irrational thinkers like you want to take two incidents without considering the contributions of the bike riders to an accident and make a general case about safety. There are countless cars that use the highway every year -- tragedy is just a rare but expected byproduct of overlapping humanity.
DeletePay no attention to 2:20. He's been posting the same idiocy for years. His mind is made up. Don't confuse him with the facts.
Delete2:44 - Wow. you are slow and have very low reading comprehension. Again, there is a huge difference between Hwy101 and other roads in this City. Hwy101 was designed for 70mph vehicle speeds with no infrastructure for bikes and pedestrians. It was the freeway from LA to mexico from 1930 to 1968 when I5 was opened. when it was designed there were very few homes, bikes and peds. The City allowed all the homes to be built without addressing the needed infrastructure for the residents and visitors. Hence, the City is liable for the hazardous conditions and will pay for all the cariage. Other major streets have bicycle lanes and sidewalk and walking trails. Facts are facts.
DeleteCarlsbad agreed to $2.9 million settlement for La Costa accident because it failed to address a known hazard.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-carlsbad-city-agrees-to-29-million-settlement-for-2011feb25-story.html
Dana Point paid $49 million for hazardous conditions - Joggers paralyzed in PCH accident get $49 million- https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-nov-28-me-settlement28-story.html#:~:text=Two%20women%20left%20permanently%20disabled,the%20city%20of%20Dana%20Point.
Encinitas will be continuing to pay until we address our hazards like past precedents.
It would be great to stop this unnecessary carnage and spending taxpayers dollars mopping up the blood. I rather use our tax dollars to better our community, not leave known hazards to maim people further.
Lets hope future leaders do a better job addressing this hazard then the current leaders. Shame, shame, shame.
Watch the Coastal Commission. Blakespear rammed through approval of the first phase of Streetscape based on a more than one year old CC approval. She lied to the CC that the project had already been started. It hadn't been started. It lacks CC approval as a new project with many changes.
ReplyDeleteAdmit it.
ReplyDeleteWhen you are stuck in rush our traffic on I-5 North at the 805 merge, you think about getting off and using the 101.
We all do.
But then you remember that Del Mar has a bajillion stop signs and they have made that road unfriendly to commuters who want to use it as auxiliary lanes for I-5. You realize that your tide will take even longer if you get off of 5.
So what do you do?
You stay your ass on I-5 where it belongs, and the people of Del Mar have high home values and a quieter neighborhood.
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What.
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Deserve.
4:27- Exactly. The anti-streetscape are to stupid to understand and acknowledge reality. There are always those slow people that make up the lower 20% of the population bell curve and Encinitas is no different. Anti-streetscape = low IQ.
ReplyDeleteWe do know the difference between 'to' and 'too'.
Delete7:12- oh OK. What a though provoking comment. Go drink your Brawndo and enjoy your life.
Delete4:48 - the most visible part of your stupidity is your belief that you are smarter than others.
ReplyDeleteTake a seat mental midget.
the most visible part of your post is you can not learn. Sorry and have a nice life.
ReplyDeletelast comment directed to 7:39
ReplyDelete9:14 - gawd you're dumb.
ReplyDelete6:53am- Such an expected comment from the sub 20%.
ReplyDeleteEG hits it on the nose. More on the candidate who wants you to enjoy cut-through traffic 'cuz it's "vibrant." https://yourencinitasguerrilla.blogspot.com/
ReplyDeleteElect Leucadia 101 Main Street Assn to City Council
I grew up around here. I went to local schools. What does that say about the quality of education in Encinitas?
I was executive director of the Leucadia 101 Main Street Association. Taxpayers paid much of my salary through the City Council’s annual $30,000 subsidy to that merchants’ group. Leucadia must be really special because downtown and Cardiff get only $20,000 each.
When I was appointed to the council after Tasha split, I quit that chamber of commerce job. When I was there, I pushed for projects most residents don’t want. Streetscape is a good example. Some of the merchants and property owners want it, but most residents don’t.
I brought that same thinking to my council seat. I go along with the mayor and support all kinds of things most residents don’t. The Cardiff cycle trap is a good example.
I’m really glad I don’t have the $10 million Pacific View albatross hanging around my neck. Tony Kranz is welcome to that dead bird.
I’m comfortable speaking in public. But if you examine what I say, you’ll find a lot is illogical. It just doesn’t make sense. Most residents recognize that. They’re more experienced and more practical that I am. I embody the millennial mentality. I’ll get better as I get older.
I recognize the need to reduce GHG emissions. That’s why I support the Streetscape plan and a denser population. They’ll both increase GHG emissions and let us work harder to find ways to reduce them.
Everybody says there’s a housing crisis. I say stack and pack ’em in. It doesn’t matter that only a few are affordable. We need more upscale housing throughout Encinitas.
I was appointed to the City Council. Now I want to be elected. Vote for me, Kellie Hinze in District 2.