Wednesday, August 17, 2016

8/17/16 City Council meeting open thread

The current city council has continued prior councils' practice of not providing written summary minutes of council discussion, but only "action minutes" which state the outcomes. Encinitas Undercover will provide a forum for observers to record what occurs at each council meeting.

Please use the comments to record your observations.

79 comments:

  1. Let the three-ring circus and the five clowns begin.

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  2. Watching from home. Gaspar looks like she has gotten a lot heavier.

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  3. 6:07- Agree. Now ERGA guy is speaking. He is a jerk, in my opinion.

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  4. Donna Westbrook just informed the public that hiddden in the "At Home in Encinitas" language is that 1000 condos can be placed at the corner of Encinitas Blvd. and El Camino Real. That is 10,000 car trips a day.

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    1. Did the self-appointed expert on everything cite the specific page where we can read it for ourselves?

      Use your common sense, folks. This is the biggest issue in local politics for the last few years. It's very closely watched, and many people have read the proposition language. If there were a thousand condos in the document, someone would have found it before now.

      Donna Westbrook sounds great, until you hear her speak on a subject you know something about.

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    2. It's 230 pages, 6:39. Have you read the whole thing and figured out how many housing units could be built in the proposed upzoned areas at the El Cam Real and Enc Blvd intersection after density bonus raises the base number?

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    3. 6:39- Keep looking. It's in there.

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    4. Yes, if all the properties were to take Density Bonus and go for the max the 1900+ units proposed could hit around 2700 units. And the 1000 units at that intersection could decide to drive around rather than dining and shopping downstairs and using the local subway mass transit that will be needed. What, is their no transportation option provided or will bicycles be the only way to get through the gridlock?

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    5. 6:39 write the guy running the HEU and he'll confirm Westbrook's numbers - Mike Strong. Westbrook did not make them up..

      7:30 is right.

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  5. Seriously Gaspar? The meeting is only into the first hour and you want to lobby for Density Bonus so you take a recess. That sucks! You made motion and it died. But, Muir revived it for you by asking Kranz why he wouldn't support it tonight. Now you take a 5 minute break and it's after 5 minutes and you still aren't back. The only 2 looking good tonight are Shaffer and to some degree Kranz.

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  6. If they're discussing it in private, they're violating the Brown Act.

    An issue with the sheriff's deputy? What's that about? Did a citizen protest too much and get collared?

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  7. GASpar has trouble getting along with others. That was evident from the very day she sat in the big chair. She has been spoiled by her sugar daddy and doesn't like it when she doesn't get her way.

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  8. Give me a freakin break. Now Gaspar says they need 15 minutes to deal with some issue with the Sheriff's deputies. We contract with the Sheriff. We don't have any authority over them, so why are they taking the Council meeting time to talk to them? Or is Gaspar being petulant and won't let the Council resume until they vote YES on her Density Bonus issue?

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    1. There was a guy at the back of the room who would not take off his motorcycle helmet and whose face was covered. He clapped at odd times and made everyone very uncomfortable. He put in a speaker's slip. Conjecture is he was the anti-Semitic freak who surfaces here on an all too regular basis, at council to speak on the Mizel item.

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  9. Sounds like they removed a citizen who was waiting to speak because he was dressed suspiciously...sounds constitutional...not! Big Brother in effect.

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    1. Meanwhile Mohammed Clock Boy in Texas shows up at school with a suitcase that looks like a bomb and he is rewarded with praise from the Whitehouse, praise from global big brother thought shapers facebook, Google and money losing twitter.

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  10. A guy dressed in full motorcycle gear with helmet hiding his face was handcuffed and taken out of the council chamber. He was asking why he was being removed. Apparently he was going to speak on the Mizel naming of the library. A total of four sheriff deputies were standing outside afterward.

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  11. 8:20- Still doesn't explain why Gaspar shut down the meeting. I'm sure the Sheriff's could do the job without the Council's help. Wonder what really was going on?

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  12. Lisa in full snark mode.

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  13. Blah blah blah. We heard all this before just vote already!!! Sheez!!! Whatever Sheila has to say isn't going to change anyone's mind!!!

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  14. Omg, these people are raving loonies. Some lady talking about her father and billboards. Wth??
    Just vote already, just vote... Ohhh that was s nice dig against Trump. Oops, times up..,

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  15. Lord have mercy... It's Sheila!! So well known the city doesn't bother to mention her last name.
    Sheila telling us cost of library was $25M. Now questioning city finances....waving her finger at council....going on and on...calls library " jewel on the hill"....telling council they don't own the land under the library building( oh noooo).... Slams fist on podium... Exits stage.

    I can't take any more of this, I'd rather watch Cesar Milan..

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    1. Respect your betters, 9:36.

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    2. 9:47- what are you saying?? " Your betters"?? These fools are not smarter, nor more educated than you or me. They think they know What's best for everyone... Ha!! They couldn't find their asses with both hands. They are as dumb as rocks.

      THINK FOR YOURSELF!!

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    3. Side note for readers:

      More than one question mark indicates a question of extraordinary questionness. When reading this out loud, you should tilt your head like a confused puppy and exaggerate the rising tone at the end until your voice becomes an annoying squeak.

      In normal writing, three periods are an ellipses, representing an interruption or omission. But in this case they represent the end of a supersentence. It's like a regular sentence, but much more sentencey. Think of it as the pure distilled essence of sentenceness. Read it quickly, then avert your eyes or risk being blinded.

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    4. 9:03- ???????????!!!!!??????!!!!!?????.......Idiot

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  16. Tony votes noooo.

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  17. Naming a public library in exchange for any amount of money is just plain wrong. It shouldn't even be a question.

    The NO has to be diplomatic, however, so the donors don't withdraw their other donations.

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  18. Muir telling us he doesn't know the Mizels yet refers to them on a first name basis....

    Shaffer says she doesn't know anything....prefers county library system. Wasting time discussing biological gardens... Blah blah blah...wants to name other city properties after Mizel. Wants to postpone vote.

    Kranz says let's follow Sheila lead of a city wide election... Shot down for a lack of a second.

    Kranz mentioning double and TRIPLE tracking through the city, 20 minute interval trains.

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  19. The Council finally made the right decision by not falling prey to the Mizels (apparently not too many even know who they are). Dumbass Muir said he would count it a privilege to meet them. Go for it Muir. Maybe they will buy you an expensive dinner. You look hungry.

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  20. I just logged on. So they voted NO on the renaming? Hope I am reading it right.

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  21. Questions: Why did Gaspar recuse herself due to financial reasons from the Mizel vote. Just how much money did they promise her or her husband? Why was the person escorted out by 4 sheriffs?

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  22. Why is the jerk from Cardiff that was appointed for the NO Rail Trail deciding to be a baby and not attend the meetings? Not much of a commitment.

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  23. WC: 9:38's at it again. Please take out the garbage.

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    1. I think it is a good thing to investigate and know the background on people. In this case....the Mizels.

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    2. I agree and the fact that the City Council admitted that they had never individually reviewed the Mizel Family Foundation financial documents (after eagerly accepting their untaxed foundation dollars) reveals that little was known about their extended dealings, allegedly they presided over 20 different family foundations.

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  24. I just looked up Mizel on the San Diego County Tax Assessors website and there is no trace. A hat tip told me the street he lived on so I looked at all of the owners names and there was one named Malabo realty LLC with an address in the oligarch's office building in New York City. If there is someone with some free time, perhaps they can look into Mizel's ties to Equatorial Guinea where Malabo is the capital. A quick 'investigative journalism' reveals that there are DEEP ties with Malabo and Israeli arms dealers. It looks like Mizel may be profitting from arms deals to this 3rd World African country. This ties in with Mizel's staunch support of the Israeli Death Forces (IDF) as alluded to in the You Tube video above.
    http://www.upi.com/Israeli-arms-companies-target-Third-World/29731302286121/

    http://www.haaretz.com/israelis-to-train-equatorial-guinea-presidential-guard-1.160375

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/after-49-years-israel-renewes-diplomatic-ties-with-guinea/

    It looks like the Israeli's are trying to infiltrate the African Summit by way of Equatiorial Guines...pretty tricky.
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4535291,00.html

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  25. Mizel info. Bought home under an alias of Malabo Realty LLC. The principal of this is Walker Street Investors
    http://www.manta.com/c/mmgglxs/walker-street-investors
    430 Moonlight Lane Encinitas, CA 92024 (this is a DECOY address that does not exist in Encinitas and purposefully added to deceive anyone trying to find Steve and Pat Mizel...pretty tricky. This number included, probably another decoy Phone: (760) 943-6892
    Here we find Steve Mizel
    http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Steven-Mizel/1530822356

    Whoa, look at what I just stumbled into on Steve Mizel...yikes!
    http://www.stewwebb.com/tag/the-zionist-gang-behind-new-yorks-9-11-conference/

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    1. Maybe we should be investigating the Gaspar's since they apparently are financially tied to the Mizels. Something is very wrong.

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    2. Hey moron, one of the Mizels once had physical therapy at one of the Gaspar businesses. Shame on the Mayor for keeping to the letter of the law. Get a life!

      Jeesh!

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    3. 4:46 Yo idiot. It was more than just a physical therapy visit. Shame on you for being so stupid. Are you a Gaspar by the way?

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  26. OK but investigate the Gaspar's what? What of theirs should we investigate?

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    1. 1:36 Obviously, you know nothing about how to conduct an investigation. Not to worry, someone with a brain will do it for you.

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    2. Enlighten us, 2:06, since you claim to know how to conduct an investigation. Investigate the Gaspar's what? Be specific. What of theirs should we investigate? Gotta start somewhere.

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    3. Perhaps it would be nice to know why Gaspar recused herself stating financial ties with Mizel? Then go from there. What financial ties? Is he helping with her election, or Paul's election? I'll see what I can dig up this weekend.

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    4. 2:28 Oh, c'mon, stop being so lazy and get to work.

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    5. And which one of them is "the Gaspar?" It appears that the thing we should be investigating only belongs to one of them.

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    6. Let's start with how many offices Gaspars claim to have. Is it really seven? Or is it more like five, maybe six?

      Then, is it really over 100 employees as they claim. Or, is it really less than 100 employees.

      Truth, honesty and integrity mean a lot.

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    7. The next question would be why are so many developer's, banks, savings and loans, lawyers and real estate offices giving to Ms. Gaspar's campaign? Most likely, they will be the same people that will contribute to her husband's campaign.

      Where are the ordinary, grass roots people? Why are they not contributing?

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    8. Ms. Gaspar's contributors are pro-development Republicans. They, like the Gaspars, stand to gain by development and population growth.

      Ordinary grass roots people are usually Democrats and don't contribute to Republican campaigns.

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    9. Ga$par$ are rank opportuni$t$.

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    10. 3:53- aren't you talking about Hitlery??

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    11. 4:21 Marxist communist Lisa Shaffer and socialist Teresa Barth also voted for stack and pack density

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    12. My new atonal acoustic punk folk band: "The Ordinary Grass Roots People."

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  27. Good question, 3:49-1, which one is "the Gaspar"?

    Before starting, we should know which one to investigate.

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    1. 5:24 Take your pick. They are joined at the same hip.

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  28. Gaspars are Judas goats. leading the sheep to slaughter.

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  29. Why is Muir on the council? He has to be one of the dumbest council members this city has ever seen! This pension parasite needs to go.

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    1. With each passing council meeting, Muir gets dumber and dumber. He tries so hard to sound intelligent, but it's not working for him.

      He is a blubbering parasite.

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  30. Muir is lost in the woods.

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    1. He hopes there is an In-N-Out somewhere in those woods.

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  31. So Barth and Shaffer's husbands aren't running for Mayor after all. What the phony announcement intended to achieve - embarrassment for Paul Gaspar for being a shameless shill? Suddenly the dynamic duo are backing Blakespear, who should have it in the bag. Maybe the slimey $tock$ will devise some Trump-esk campaign approach for Gaspar - Mr. Integrity II, like the bogus approach his wife used in her primary campaign. Let's hope the Gaspars are put to permanent pasture politically.

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    1. Add "was" into the 2nd sentence.

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    2. This is the kind of person you will get if you vote for Paul Gaspar. What an unethical person he is. NO to Paul Gaspar for mayor.

      http://encinitasundercover.blogspot.com/2012/11/paul-gaspar-fingered-as-man-behind-sham.html

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    3. Not to mention Kristin Gaspar stating in her campaign materials that she was a teacher, when in fact, she has no teaching credentials at all.

      Liar, Liar, Liar!

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    4. Paul Gaspar's primary qualification for mayor is that his wife was mayor.

      By that logic, I am qualified to get pregnant, and my wife is qualified to do my job if I get hit by a bus.

      Before you vote for Gaspar, ask yourself this important question: are you interchangeable with your spouse?

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    5. Kristin Gaspar was the top vote getter in her two Encinitas elections. That support will likely easily slide over to her husband. I expect he will beat Blakespear.

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    6. Paul Gaspar has no qualifications. Riding on the skirts of his wife won't cut it. Blakespear will run circles around this dude.

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    7. 4:23 PM with your logic, maybe he can do a Caitlin Jenner switcheroo and call himself Paulina! Then get those beady eyes glaring at you from a poster. Defeat both Gaspars - they are both unfit for office.

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  32. Paul Gaspar proves that the qualifications for office in Encinitas are zero! This guy is so sappy with his "concern for a leadership void" with his wife leaving, that his tongue has blown out his cheek. As much as I can't stand Blakespear, my revulsion for Gaspar is even greater.

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    1. I think Paul Gaspar is secretly trying on his wife's heels so he can be ready to fill the void his wife will leave. Can you say "twinky?"

      Personally, I would welcome a VOID without a GASpar around.

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  33. Too bad. I kinda liked Barth's op-ed in the Coast News

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  34. The biggest disappointment in all this hubby stuff is that the No on the Railtrail group has squandered the fine work they did in organizing such an effective opposition to the location of the bike lane from where it belonged on the 101 and have resorted to backing Paul, which by the same token, is approving the reemergence of $sss$ into a position of influence in our community.

    Sorry to say that their choice is a recipe for failure. They are all old enough to know better than to have anything to do with this despicable character that we will NEVER allow back. What a waste and a letdown to many who saw a way forward in dealing with the city through their activism.

    Last night at the downtown Classic Car Night, several of them were there wearing their No on the Railtrail T-shirts with Paul Gaspar in tow campaigning to anyone who would stop long enough to listen.

    What a waste of public activism that is so needed. They were inspiring at one time. Now, they are just another coopted group who have placed their bets on a loser and associated themselves with the worst council person to have ever held office here. What a waste.

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    1. 9:07 You are absolutely correct. The GASpar's are puppets of $tock$ and they will stop at nothing, and I mean nothing, to get what they want. What do they want you ask? POWER, POWER, POWER. They will even parade their children around as tokens so they can get elected and gain more POWER.

      We need to send a clear message that we are not interested in getting $tock$ puppets in office. We made a mistake with Kristin Gaspar. We saw what side of the fence she belongs on. The developer's can't wait to get them elected so they can have a field day with our city.

      Paul Gaspar has used the NORailTrail group to his advantage and the poor suckers didn't even see it coming. That is how slick this man is.

      Beware voters! Look past the big smiles, white teeth and calm demeanor. It is all fake.

      NO to Paul Gaspar as mayor.

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    2. Right, those Gaspar's are puppet's and token's of developer's so voter's beware of fake smile's!

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    3. NO to Paul GASpar. Cheat, fake, liar, brown noser, %tock$ puppet, developer's buddy, power hungry, not to mention, he dresses in heels.

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  35. The good news for Paul Gaspar is that if he wins, he won't have to worry about our water supply or roads, because his wife has promised to fix those things as Sup.

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    1. Hopefully she gets trounced.

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