The current city council has continued prior councils' practice of not providing written summary minutes of council discussion, but only "action minutes" which state the outcomes. Encinitas Undercover will provide a forum for observers to record what occurs at each council meeting.
Please use the comments to record your observations.
Among other items tonight is Tony Kranz's Spock Block Week.
Someone please count how many times Muir says "as it relates to".
ReplyDelete3 times in 1 sentence at 7:32!
DeleteDumb as a brick.
DeleteIt replaces "You know..."
DeleteRepetitive speech patterns usually indicate a rote, shallow thought process; probably blurted out as a defense mechanism to attempt to "engage" in the conversation. Muir is unsuited for the position that the currently holds on the council and needs to be deposed at the next election. Dalamuir!
Delete'... count how many times Muir says "as it relates to"'
DeleteI guess it beats discussions on substance.
"Repetitive speech patterns usually indicate a rote, shallow thought process" I'd include repetitive fixation on someone's speech peculiarities indicating a rote, shallow thought process.
10:28 You can crawl back in your hole any time as it relates to this conversation.
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Delete"You can crawl back in your hole any time"
I see you're maintaining the high quality of discussion that people have come to expect here.
12:21 Well, you finally got something right. Good job, brownie.
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DeleteI'm rubber you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!. I know you are but what am I. Sorry, that's all I can remember for now but you probably have to get back to class. Ah, the seventh grade.
12:56 Sounds like you are hitting the bottle early today.
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DeleteOh please. Is that the best you've got, as it relates to this discussion?
Spock said "fascinating" more often than Muir said "as it relates to."
ReplyDelete"As it relates to" count for the evening: 7.
ReplyDeleteHe was more quiet tonight so that explains the low numbers. It looked like he was having a hard time following the flow of the meeting.
ReplyDeleteMuir actually had a statement ONE time [only] that did not include, 'as it relates to'. Progress? We will take what we can get considering the source. Oh well. Small steps forward may add up to more, Naw, never mind. He is just as clueless as ever.
ReplyDeleteThe Spock thing was actually pretty funny and of course, inconsequential. Not a lot of time or energy wasted, so it is forgivable for the time being when there is much more that needs attention.
Bring on the At Grade Crossings now. Put this asap on the agenda and get the ball rolling after being ignored for so long. It was good to hear this brought up by Elena Thompson. At grade crossings can heal so many of our issues with crossing the tracks and they are safe.
Any talk of tunnels will only serve to prevent the tracks from ever being lowered. At the cost of these crossings, it should be easy, so what is the hangup?
Rachelle was so right years ago and it is the cure for so many ills that are splitting this community from access and egress from the beach that this community deserves.
Crossing the 101 should have signaled crosswalks at these points.
Don't hold your breath for any roundabouts to go along with this. Move on with the at grade crossings now and crosswalks for the 101. Streetscape's plan should not preclude moving ahead with at grade crossings now.
Traffic Signals suck and do not work well. Put in Roundabouts at the crossings which truly change driver behavior.
DeleteNCTD will never approve at-grade crossings on their right of way.
DeleteNever ever. Not going to happen. Nope.
That goes double for a school zone.
Matt Tucker and NCTD won't go for at grade crossings. As far as lowering the tracks, you would need the Federal Funds to get that going, and as far as I know, there's nothing in the works to pursue that funding.
DeleteElena has her heart in the right place, but she should know by now if she researched the issue that at grade crossings are a pipe dream. Just look both ways twice before you cross to look for trains and railroad bulls.
-MGJ
There is already an at grade crossing at the train station. How did that get approved?
DeleteThey have to have an at grade crossing there to service both parking lots. The station in San Clemente is the same way, except the beach is directly on one side.
Delete-MGJ
The railroad crossing, corridors leading to the schools and beaches, and the main street streetscape are all important issues to implement. The streetscape along Hwy101 and the crossing at the school are the biggest improvements to move kids and residents east and west of the railroad tracks.
ReplyDeleteI agree lets focus on getting at grade railroad crossings in like the City of San Clemente did and has legally permit. That City also has quiet zones in place were the trains don't blow their horns, and is now working on quiet zones for their at-grade pedestrian crossings.
NCTD is not going to allow at grade crossings. San Clemente has several at grade crossings right on the beach.
Deletehttp://www.theleucadiablog.com/2009/05/citizens-of-san-clemente-have-been-able.html
http://patch.com/california/sanclemente/san-clementes-hopes-for-quieter-pedestrian-rr-crossings-dashed
Much better to spend 10 million on under-crossing than a useless art center at PV school.
DeleteFace it, many cities have their shit in a pile vs Encinitas that flings all it's shit to Leucadia.
DeleteWhat ever happened to the wayside horn idea that Gaspar presented when she was running for Council? Is that the NCTD's dept. as well?
DeleteShe got elected and she blew it off.
DeleteNo, it's the City of Encinitas who must initiate it and pay for it. Unless the city gets a grant, there's not much hope of it ever getting done. Our council has other priorities.
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DeleteKranz wears Spock ears to last nights council meeting...meanwhile our streets fall apart.
ReplyDeleteMark Muir does not drink alcohol, period. Please if one is going to paint anyone into a corner then at least get your corner straight. As for food, that's a different story. But, I thought we had all agreed to stop name calling and stop with the fat jokes. Guess that isn't working out. Sometimes people just want to complain.
Delete10:38 Get a grip. I have seen him drink alcohol with my own eyes. Paint your own corner.
Delete11:30; I call B.S. I have known Mark Muir for over 25 years and he has told me on many occasion he never drinks alcohol. He hosts parties with booze, but he doesn't drink. However, none of the trashing of Muir or anyone else gets anything accomplished. Perhaps that's the point of this blog. People can feel good that they posted B.S. and have to accountability as everyone is anonymous. It takes courage to sign your name on posts on this blog. SCG
Delete12:50 Just goes to prove people will tell you what they want you to believe.
Delete12:50,
DeleteYou are probably right. I don't know Muir, but there are several sad, angry contributors who are willing to make any assertion if it paints the city in a bad light.
I like to think that most readers who spend any time on here can see right through it.
Keep in mind the person you are engaging also made a fat joke, so that tells you enough about the mental and social level you are dealing with.
Probably not worth the keystrokes to engage further.
grow up 1:44pm
Delete1:44. That would be a Star Trek costume. At least get your sci-fi right.
ReplyDeleteYou, the people of the city would get to pay for the Wayside Horn if you want it. That's what they did in Del Mar. They actually formed a group, led by Pam Slater's husband, and got the horns. This is another one NCTD is not in favor of....
ReplyDeleteOh you mean price the founder of price club. He could have payed for the entire thing. He even bought a washed up old politician from Encinitas.
ReplyDeleteSol Price is long dead and has nothing to do with wayside horns.
DeleteAnd they're not related. Nice try, though...sort of.
DeleteHer husband is Herschel Price....
DeleteBut not of Price Club fame....
DeletePam's husband, Hershel, is not in any way related to Sol Price. If people are not going to get there facts straight on something this simple, then I question if anything on this blog is accurate. That's just another reason to keep personalities out of the post and stick to things going on in our city.
Deleteohhh this is just another do nothing trust fund baby,
ReplyDeleteWhat's the story on finding a new City manager?? Craig's list!! Craig's list!! It's not hard nor expensive to place a help wanted ad on Craig's list. Are we using the same head hunter group that brought us that idiot Vina?? If so why?? Someone place an ad on Craig's list and get us a CM that will cut staff and costs....
ReplyDeleteNo, the same headhunter who dumped Vina on the Encinitas rubes ended up taking him away to dump on the Brentwood rubes.
DeleteEncinitas is using a different headhunter for the next city manager.
Does anyone know when the pubic gets to weigh in on what we want in a City Manager.? I know the COuncil said they wanted us to do that but perhaps I missed the memo as to when it is.
DeleteYikes I said pubic instead of public. Sorry about that.
DeleteA community forum will take place from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. on Tuesday, Feb. 24, in the Poinsettia Room of City Hall, 505 S. Vulcan Ave. This will give the public an opportunity to share their thoughts and opinions with recruiters at Avery and Associates, according to the city website.
DeleteIn addition, anyone who would like to share their thoughts about what qualities they’d like to see in the next city manager, or would like to recommend candidates, may do so by sending an email to Avery and Associates at encinitascitymanager@averyassoc.net.
Pure dog and pony show. An exercise to create the appearance of citizen input without the substance. They will mine a few quotes from citizen input that aligns neatly with what they were already going to do, then make a grand PowerPoint presentation about how citizen input is driving the selection process.
DeleteTotal BS waste of time, and I am fine with it.
Most citizens don't have the first clue what a City Manager does, and what the qualifications are. This is not an elected position for a reason. City Manager is the CEO of the city. City Council is the Board of Directors. The City Manager needs to be organized, efficient, driven, be a tough boss, and know how to solve complex puzzles and most of all, be willing to take risks and piss people off to get sh1t done. City Manager is not there to make friends with anyone. A good one should expect to be effective for 3-4 years max before they break enough glass that they can't be effective anymore.
12:00,
DeleteThat's the kind of city manager you want if the council members are smart and principled and able to channel the manager's efforts to further their policies in the public interest.
If the council members trust staff more than their own instincts and ability to gather information, then the city manager you describe runs the council for his own purposes.
Boom! Last such one was called "Vina."
DeleteWhy do I get the sense that most of the commenters here haven't led an organization of any size, public or private.
Delete2:49- Can you give us a logical argument as to why you think the the commentators on this site have never run an organization? SInce I am one of the commentators, and have run a large corporation, I would love to know what criterion you are using to make the this observation?
Delete2:49's reasoning no doubt is that he cannot fathom why so many are so unhappy with the city's bizarre commitment to screwing up. You know, cut those poor, inept and conniving bureaucrats some slack - did I guess correctly, 2:49?
Delete5:34 When someone says "they get a sense" beware. That is a good indicator that "they have no sense". Has to be a woman. Men usually don't go by feelings or senses.
Delete2:49 If you think being on the council is running or leading a public organization, think again. Watch the knit wits in action. They know not what they do.
7:24's apparently a fan of sweeping generalizations, as in "You must be a man, you can't spell."
Delete2:49 PM here.
DeleteI base my comment on the quality, or lack there of, of the comments here. If 5:34 PM ran a large corporation, and I have no reason to doubt it, then comments should reflect that experience. Whether 5:34 PM has made any city management related comments I have no way of knowing but the comments that I have seen here don't have much weight to them. Even though the number of city employees is small, a city government is still a complex endeavor.
7:24 PM Being on council is very much leading a public organization whether council members are prepared or not. The only qualifying test is a public vote. Those five elected are the legal representatives of the City of Encinitas and are responsible for what happens. All employees, including the city manager and city attorney only have authority delegated from the council.
So 7:24 PM, is "knit wits" a play on words or do you just not know how to spell nitwits?
6:31 PM
I certainly know a lot of commenters here are unhappy. But they are a small number compared to the number of residents and business owners in Encinitas. I myself am not happy with some of the things that have happened but I don't let it become a continual knee jerk response.
10:04 sounds like a rejected, defeated or disliked former council member. We had many who were not qualified in even running a house hold, let alone a city.
DeleteThe staff does all the work. The council just pretends to know what is going on. That is not leadership in any way, shape or form.
It's a good thing we voted some out of office. We continue to have council who have no clue and are getting this city into a mess.
Reject all incumbents.
11:38 AM
DeleteGod I love how so many of you use the crutch of trying to respond to a post by trying to discredit the poster. Simple minds. Why do you even live in a city where you hold every council member, past and present, in such contempt? I'm sure you would do better. So have you run? I'm betting no. You'd rather sit on the sidelines taking potshots and feeling superior.
No, I have never served on the council nor even run for it. Guess again.
5:00 I don't have to guess again. You were a rejected, disliked former council member. I would guarantee it.
Delete5:35 PM
DeleteIgnorant and stubborn. A great combination. I've never run for, or served on, the city council. Your guarantee is meaningless. Sorry to burst your bubble.
6:39 you are not fooling any one.
Delete9:57 PM
DeleteOnly you.
7:24-
ReplyDeleteYou know what they say about assume. Right?
try and keep up.
6:31 hardly knee jerk, this council is taking us as a city very much in the wrong direction. Just one of many examples is the traffic, which is bottlenecked severely in several places, and in these very spots are being proposed for dense affordable housing! Enc. blvd, Vulcan, Quail gardens, and nothing could be more ill conceived. This is just one example.
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DeleteOkay. Where would you put it?
The city should be building off shore islands for affordable housing. using plastic bottles for floatation, these islands can house thousands. And yes it's being done in Japan.
DeleteGreat idea. Hey perhaps Barth the trash picker can save the plastic bottles to get this started!
Delete10:56 - put what?? There is no "it" if you're referring to affordable housing, there's only market-rate high density. The whole "where should we put it?" Question is a farce.
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DeleteWe have to me state law farce or not. When asked to come up with solutions, other than the non starter of meeting the requirements solely through second units, nobody steps up to the plate. Denial isn't just a river in Africa.
6:33 PM
DeleteTyping too fast. I meant "meet state law".
We haven't met the state law in 20 years. When asked by residents who oppose upzoning for the sole purpose of lining developer pockets with market-rate units, the council just stares. We deserve more from them and if they want more than a snowball's chance in hell of getting the HEU passed, they'd better figure out something fast,
DeleteAdd-on to 11:56 - should have said when asked by residents who oppose zoning for the sole purpose of lining developer pockets with market-rate units to guarantee that a significant amount of said units will actually be affordable, the council just stares.
DeleteThey seem to have this aversion to enacting the spirit of the law in addition to the numbers.Their response to everything is "we'll get sued." At the last joint meeting Murphy trotted out an additional "tool:" he called it "unbundled parking," which means that parking would not be required on site for the high-density housing blocks. Less parking = more market-rate units = more developer profits.
Where do the cars go?? Out into the neighborhoods...in front of your house. This is how much our city and council care about residents.
And, by the way: unbundled parking is NOT a requirement for HEU certification. It's just a little bonus the city wants to give its developer friends. You'll find it in the fine print on the ballot statement.
DeleteMalibu. Actually if the city could get some decent legal advice they have several ways to navigate around this, including making a path for affordable units that already exist, not the bs proposal for "this year" that is fraught with fees and difficulties. We need leadership and we don't have it, just lip service.
ReplyDeleteWhat about Malibu?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.malibusurfsidenews.com/city/secondary-units-not-adequate-form-low-income-housing-court-says
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