With leaders like this we don't need an evil city manager conspiring behind the scenes to screw us over...Encinitas has met the enemy and it's on the council. I-D-I-O-T-S.
I would be very surprised if others came with outfits, but you better believe they will show up at the bar place Kranz mentioned and give the hand signal to get a real bargain.
Anything to build up that bar business and let everyone know that Encinitas welcomes the drunks.
Our mayor is quite full of herself. You would think we never had a mayor in this city, EVER.
7:52 You have got to be kidding. Why else would anyone come to Encinitas during this week except to drink? Also, a lot of people have gone out of town for spring break
I haven't. Do you think the 75 degree temps have anything to with it? I have to drive through spring break traffic so trust me, I know what week it is....
The folks who live near downtown should not bother calling the cops this week. They don't want to spoil Spock Block Week. That would be a shame to interrupt the joyous drinking and party hardy crowd.
I think it's harmless, too, could boost business. The mayor looks good as a brunette.
Traffic is worse during holidays, including spring break. It's something we have to live with, but please don't make it worse by putting more money into putting more obstacles onto 101.
If you have tried to drive through Del Mar lately, which voted down roundabouts, I think you have an idea of why they are effective. The days of high-tailing it around town are over. All we can hope to do is keep traffic flowing and eliminate bottlenecks...
Comparing Mythbusters' roundabout with those in or proposed for Encinitas is apples and oranges.
The great bulk of the traffic at our present and proposed roundabouts is in two directions. The test shown had close to equal traffic in four directions.
With the exception of Leucadia Blvd/Hygeia, none of our present or proposed roundabouts are at what were or would become four-way stop intersections.
Aside from the test, roundabouts at intersections that aren't four-way stops and don't have an approximately equal volume of traffic in four directions can't achieve their purpose because the factors they're intended to relieve don't exist.
Without those factors, roundabouts — especially little dinky ones like ours — do nothing but impede traffic flow.
Black can be included in brunette. Brunette denotes dark coloring.
I see back-up between the stop signals and the roundabout at Hymettus, daily, on Leucadia Blvd. The lights aren't timed well.
I also see people on Leucadia Blvd. not letting in people waiting, at a complete stop, at the Hymettus and Hermes and Leucadia Blvd. roundabouts, daily. The stop sign at Hygeia was never replaced with a roundabout, and the Phase II landscaping and sidewalks were never installed. Leucadia Blvd. is often a nightmare, and traffic does NOT keep moving during peak periods, because there are about five traffic signals, two roundabouts and a stop sign between 101 and El Camino Real. So, while roundabouts may be preferable to stop signs, they aren't replacing stop signs with roundabouts on 101, and the City didn't do so on Leucadia Blvd., at Hygeia, either, despite broken promises.
But one thing is true, at least Leucadia Blvd. has some cross-traffic and four way intersections where there are roundabouts. N101, because of the RR tracks, doesn't have actual cross-street traffic where the five one lane roundabouts are planned.
Because someone doesn't want to further impede traffic, which already backs up during peak periods, doesn't mean that person doesn't appreciate flowers, sidewalks, local art installations, etc. But you know that, troll.
6:43, if you don't stop when coming to Santa Fe from Rubenstein or Devonshire, you'll get smacked by the overwhelmingly dominant east-west traffic on Santa Fe.
Same is true for Hermes and Hymettus where they intersect with Leucadia Blvd.
The point is roundabouts are not effective where traffic in two directions overwhelmingly dominates traffic in the other two directions. They can't be effective because the circumstance they're designed to influence doesn't exist.
"I also see people on Leucadia Blvd. not letting in people waiting, at a complete stop. . ."
Do you mean people in the roundabout not pausing to let people enter in front of them? If so, then you don't understand the right of way rules. Stopping in a roundabout will get you rear-ended, and it will be your fault. Vehicles established in the roundabout have right of way over vehicles entering. Always. If you are stopped at an entrance to the roundabout, you should have no expectation that someone should let you in. Just be patient and wait for a gap. Once you are in, proceed to your exit without delay--you have the right of way.
Here's a simple guide: If anyone gets in a position to hit your car on the driver side, any contact will be your fault. If anyone makes contact with your passenger side, it's their fault.
The dumbest Frenchman on Earth can figure it out. So can you. Fear not the circle of traffic, for it is good.
10:04 Gee thanks Lynn for your very insightful intelligence regarding brunettes. Were you a former hairdresser and did you go to school for that? If not, there are other ways to define black hair, which is a color in itself. Does the mayor invite you to her parties yet?
They're not "roundabout haters" as you so ignorantly call them, 1:27. They are people who, unlike you, are smart, astute and objective enough to look at a situation and know what legitimately applies and what doesn't.
Anything that keeps the traffic moving to me is a good thing. I think they should do away with a lot of those stop signs on RSF Rd. and replace them with a couple of round abouts. The traffic would move much better.
That is why the traffic is backed up because of the commuters from Carlsbad and San Marcos. The stop signs just make the traffic wait much longer than it needs to be. Yes, there is room for round abouts on this road.
"Olivenhain residents don't want cut through traffic from Carlsbad and San Marcos."
Then Olivenhain residents need to move to a gated community with private streets where they can make such rules. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if every neighborhood and town got to decide who can travel the local roads.
"Private property shall not be taken for a public use, without just compensation."
--5th Amendment, US Constitution
To build the roundabout on Santa Fe, the city established an easement on corners of the adjacent properties on Rubensiten and Devonshire. A quick search on the County Clerk's website returned Doc#: 2005-0425465. That's the easement on 290 Devonshire.
Many Olivenhain neighbors worked to get those stop signs in to protect children who walk to school. A boy was killed on that road about 15 years ago. This is a residential community, and I am going to support the citizens who want to keep their kids safe here and in every other Encinitas community.
1:51, I'm merely pointing out that residents need to understand what these changes mean to them and that the city's wish to "complete streets" will have an impact on all.
Masih Maher (sp?), the City engineer, admitted last year that he and his department were "experimenting" with different types of "improvements." Residents are left holding the bag when the "experiments" don't work.
Surely there are best practices out there for the City to study and consider before they force a complete street on every neighborhood.
With leaders like this we don't need an evil city manager conspiring behind the scenes to screw us over...Encinitas has met the enemy and it's on the council.
ReplyDeleteI-D-I-O-T-S.
Just spotted a D-bag poking a baby seal with his longboard at Bone Yards. Does that count?
ReplyDeleteI would be very surprised if others came with outfits, but you better believe they will show up at the bar place Kranz mentioned and give the hand signal to get a real bargain.
ReplyDeleteAnything to build up that bar business and let everyone know that Encinitas welcomes the drunks.
Our mayor is quite full of herself. You would think we never had a mayor in this city, EVER.
I wonder if the taxpayers had to pay for their outfits.
ReplyDeleteFeel good smaltz......
ReplyDeleteNever heard of smaltz and looked it up. There is no such word that I can find.
DeleteSchmaltz. From Yiddish.
DeleteNo wonder. It was spelled wrong.
DeleteSchmaltz = crap?
DeleteThey look like Ferringi to me.
ReplyDeleteA Malaysian beach?
DeleteNice Ferrengi reference! It's harmless, free publicity. Relax people, have some fun. This has nothing to do with drinking...
Delete-MGJ
7:52 You have got to be kidding. Why else would anyone come to Encinitas during this week except to drink? Also, a lot of people have gone out of town for spring break
DeleteI haven't. Do you think the 75 degree temps have anything to with it? I have to drive through spring break traffic so trust me, I know what week it is....
Delete-MGJ
Encinitas reaches a new low, and yes the 101 is drunk block today. Live long and sober.
ReplyDeleteThe folks who live near downtown should not bother calling the cops this week. They don't want to spoil Spock Block Week. That would be a shame to interrupt the joyous drinking and party hardy crowd.
ReplyDeleteComments were deleted - they were hilarious. PC strikes again.
ReplyDeleteI think it's harmless, too, could boost business. The mayor looks good as a brunette.
ReplyDeleteTraffic is worse during holidays, including spring break. It's something we have to live with, but please don't make it worse by putting more money into putting more obstacles onto 101.
The wig the mayor had on was black, not brunette.
DeleteIf you have tried to drive through Del Mar lately, which voted down roundabouts, I think you have an idea of why they are effective. The days of high-tailing it around town are over. All we can hope to do is keep traffic flowing and eliminate bottlenecks...
DeleteMythbusters tested roundabouts vs. stop signs. The results may surprise some people.
Deletehttp://m.wimp.com/testroundabout/
http://m.wimp.com/testroundabout/
Heavens no....we don't want anything nice on 101.
DeleteNo streetlights.
No sidewalks.
No trees.
No flowers.
We like weeds and dirt...KEEP IT CRAPPY!!!
Comparing Mythbusters' roundabout with those in or proposed for Encinitas is apples and oranges.
DeleteThe great bulk of the traffic at our present and proposed roundabouts is in two directions. The test shown had close to equal traffic in four directions.
With the exception of Leucadia Blvd/Hygeia, none of our present or proposed roundabouts are at what were or would become four-way stop intersections.
Aside from the test, roundabouts at intersections that aren't four-way stops and don't have an approximately equal volume of traffic in four directions can't achieve their purpose because the factors they're intended to relieve don't exist.
Without those factors, roundabouts — especially little dinky ones like ours — do nothing but impede traffic flow.
there are always those few who will refute the world is round even though one can individually observe the fact when flying.
DeleteDoubters and Crappy lovers will always be doubters and Crappy lovers. Now that is a fact.
6:43- The roundabout on Santa Fe keeps traffic moving. I no longer have to stop at the corner for nothing....
DeleteBlack can be included in brunette. Brunette denotes dark coloring.
DeleteI see back-up between the stop signals and the roundabout at Hymettus, daily, on Leucadia Blvd. The lights aren't timed well.
I also see people on Leucadia Blvd. not letting in people waiting, at a complete stop, at the Hymettus and Hermes and Leucadia Blvd. roundabouts, daily. The stop sign at Hygeia was never replaced with a roundabout, and the Phase II landscaping and sidewalks were never installed. Leucadia Blvd. is often a nightmare, and traffic does NOT keep moving during peak periods, because there are about five traffic signals, two roundabouts and a stop sign between 101 and El Camino Real. So, while roundabouts may be preferable to stop signs, they aren't replacing stop signs with roundabouts on 101, and the City didn't do so on Leucadia Blvd., at Hygeia, either, despite broken promises.
But one thing is true, at least Leucadia Blvd. has some cross-traffic and four way intersections where there are roundabouts. N101, because of the RR tracks, doesn't have actual cross-street traffic where the five one lane roundabouts are planned.
Because someone doesn't want to further impede traffic, which already backs up during peak periods, doesn't mean that person doesn't appreciate flowers, sidewalks, local art installations, etc. But you know that, troll.
6:43, if you don't stop when coming to Santa Fe from Rubenstein or Devonshire, you'll get smacked by the overwhelmingly dominant east-west traffic on Santa Fe.
DeleteSame is true for Hermes and Hymettus where they intersect with Leucadia Blvd.
The point is roundabouts are not effective where traffic in two directions overwhelmingly dominates traffic in the other two directions. They can't be effective because the circumstance they're designed to influence doesn't exist.
"I also see people on Leucadia Blvd. not letting in people waiting, at a complete stop. . ."
DeleteDo you mean people in the roundabout not pausing to let people enter in front of them? If so, then you don't understand the right of way rules. Stopping in a roundabout will get you rear-ended, and it will be your fault. Vehicles established in the roundabout have right of way over vehicles entering. Always. If you are stopped at an entrance to the roundabout, you should have no expectation that someone should let you in. Just be patient and wait for a gap. Once you are in, proceed to your exit without delay--you have the right of way.
Here's a simple guide: If anyone gets in a position to hit your car on the driver side, any contact will be your fault. If anyone makes contact with your passenger side, it's their fault.
The dumbest Frenchman on Earth can figure it out. So can you. Fear not the circle of traffic, for it is good.
--FP
10:04 Gee thanks Lynn for your very insightful intelligence regarding brunettes. Were you a former hairdresser and did you go to school for that? If not, there are other ways to define black hair, which is a color in itself. Does the mayor invite you to her parties yet?
DeleteI love it.
ReplyDeleteBe sure to show up on Hygeia between April 19 and 25 to celebrate Mr. Clean.
ReplyDeleteBrilliant satire!
DeletePlease show up on Neptune to celebrate the God of the sea .... any week.
DeleteOh wonderful... the roundabout haters have returned. How will we ever get a statue of Fred Caldwell if not for a roundabout??
ReplyDeleteThey're not "roundabout haters" as you so ignorantly call them, 1:27. They are people who, unlike you, are smart, astute and objective enough to look at a situation and know what legitimately applies and what doesn't.
Delete3:46- Let me change my copy to INTOLERANT ROUNDABOUT HATERS.
DeleteAnything that keeps the traffic moving to me is a good thing. I think they should do away with a lot of those stop signs on RSF Rd. and replace them with a couple of round abouts. The traffic would move much better.
ReplyDeleteOlivenhain residents don't want cut through traffic from Carlsbad and San Marcos. They like their stop signs.
DeleteThat is why the traffic is backed up because of the commuters from Carlsbad and San Marcos. The stop signs just make the traffic wait much longer than it needs to be. Yes, there is room for round abouts on this road.
Delete"Olivenhain residents don't want cut through traffic from Carlsbad and San Marcos."
DeleteThen Olivenhain residents need to move to a gated community with private streets where they can make such rules. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if every neighborhood and town got to decide who can travel the local roads.
8:05- Olivenhain residents are no better than anyone else, except the whine factor, at that they excel.
DeleteThe right-of-way on RSF road is not wide enough to permit roundabouts where the stop signs are.
ReplyDeleteNo problem, says the City: we'll just engage in taking your land. Problem sol-ved.
Delete"Private property shall not be taken for a public use, without just compensation."
Delete--5th Amendment, US Constitution
To build the roundabout on Santa Fe, the city established an easement on corners of the adjacent properties on Rubensiten and Devonshire. A quick search on the County Clerk's website returned Doc#: 2005-0425465. That's the easement on 290 Devonshire.
Compensation does not = willingness.
DeleteAre you suggesting that public infrastructure should only be built on voluntary basis?
DeleteI guess we can never again build a freeway or power transmission line.
That, or the owners of land should hold out for a lottery win.
Many Olivenhain neighbors worked to get those stop signs in to protect children who walk to school. A boy was killed on that road about 15 years ago. This is a residential community, and I am going to support the citizens who want to keep their kids safe here and in every other Encinitas community.
Delete1:51, I'm merely pointing out that residents need to understand what these changes mean to them and that the city's wish to "complete streets" will have an impact on all.
DeleteMasih Maher (sp?), the City engineer, admitted last year that he and his department were "experimenting" with different types of "improvements." Residents are left holding the bag when the "experiments" don't work.
Surely there are best practices out there for the City to study and consider before they force a complete street on every neighborhood.
A good start would be to get rid of two or three stop signs that are definitely not needed.
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