New Urbanists such as Kunstler push for the recreation of the old city model – people living in high rises and apartment buildings, relying on mass transit to get around and shopping at local stores filled with goods produced in the surrounding area. While they make some good aesthetic points, they are elitists who believe we should all live in ways that they prefer.
It’s easy to chuckle at them, as they seize on every crisis (housing bubbles, rising gas prices, etc.) to warn about the coming doom, much like those doomsday preachers who are sure that the latest event is a signal that the world is coming to an end.
But while most of us think only about short-term real estate issues, these ideologues have been changing the laws and building codes to mandate their long-term vision. Given the enormity of suburbia, it’s hard to see the impact of this wide-ranging policy change. But pay attention to debates over new construction, and look at the requirements for higher densities, small or nonexistent yards, construction around transit and other common building mandates. They are designed to make the common form of suburbia obsolete.
Friday, June 7, 2013
Reason: Why New Urbanism doesn't work
Reason Magazine has a timely article on exactly the kind of high-density development that urban elitists are trying to force on Encinitas.
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The Wall Street Journal had a front page story Monday called "Elbow Room". In it the WSJ profiled the 'many benefits' of high density urban living singling out various cities promoting small detached units of 750 sq ft like Vancouver and buildings that are taller.
ReplyDeleteIn San Francisco the council recently approved living space for sale in buildings called "Micro-units" that are only 250 sq ft.
The regional governing body of the SF bay area ABAG will begin a trial plan next year that puts a black box on cars and tracks where and what time people drive then sending them a tax bill based on that information at the end of the month -drive in commute hours pay more, etc.
In light of learning that today's government under the WH administration used the IRS to bully and harass those with opposing political, economic and religious views, along with the news that the government is tracking google, yahoo, FB and VZ phone conversations it is troubling to learn they now want to track our cars and freedom of movement.
This high density agenda seems similar to Mayor Barth's KPBS comments that Encinitas should have more density and the incorrect if not arrogant assumption of some that all people want to trade the freedom of mobility and self reliance that comes with owning a car for the restrictions and limitations of bicycles. Contrary to the opinion of the environmental bullies it is possible to own a car and care about the planet. It also fits with Deputy Mayor Shaffer's views on it being the role of government to provide high density affordable housing.
One group pushing the high density agenda comes from Chicago and is a group called Building One America and many of it's leaders were followers of the communist organizer Saul Alnisky. Their belief includes the views that the suburbs are inherently racist and that the motivations of moving to the suburbs- open space, education, freedom, need to be done away with in the name of social justice - level the playing ground at government hands.
In St. Paul Minn the government is now taking tax dollars for education from one school district and giving the money to other school districts under regional authority. This means if you and your wife save to move to a good school district because it is what you decide is best for your family it no longer matters because an un-elected regional governing body is appropriating tax money that should go to benefit your family and using it to benefit another family in another tax district.
This is the type of news outlets like NBC, CBS, ABC rarely share with viewers - it is as though they deem freedom and self-reliance less important then globalism and conformance. Where are you getting your news?
In SF ABAG is pushing Regional Zoning housing mandates calling the program 'One Bay Area'. In San Diego SANDAG is pushing a regional agenda calling it San Diego Forward - with the regional agenda tracing it's roots to Chicago and Building One America it is hard not to notice that the last Presidential campaign originated out of Chicago and also used the word 'Forward'.........should we be surprised that a group that gave $8,300 or almost 20% of all contributions opposing A came from Chicago?
Do you want a more dense Encinitas with shoebox living? Vote Yes on A and protect your quality of life.
The City Council Shmooes are obedient proxies for the wealthy elite that want to maximize their profits at the expense of the community character. Eckes and his ilk have the last of the larger undeveloped parcels and will pay whatever 'convenience fee' necessary to have their political minions do their bidding. It is easier to convince (bribe) 5 people of the Council than to have the will of the public quieried. It didn't go so well when Ecke tried to get his "permanent" ag zoning changed by a public vote some years ago. Code enforcements were a scheme to force ownership changes in Leucadia years ago, but were backed away from when the public resisted. But it is an on-going battle, so the people must maintain their perrogative to make crucial decisions about their community - Vote YES on A.
ReplyDeleteSmart growth is dumb and not welcome in our town.
ReplyDeleteA must read:"Better not Bigger" by Eben Fodor. It will wake you up to the fallacies of growth in our communities. An incredible book!
A Ghetto is a Ghetto is a Ghetto.
ReplyDeletean idiot is an idiot.
ReplyDelete10:48 that was a tactic in saul alinsky's book rules for radicals where he says if one can't argue facts they should bully, mock and attack.
DeleteKranz, anyone?
DeleteNo. It was from the Art of War. Some concept though.
DeleteWere you the idiot who wrote the Ghetto comment? At least your an idiot with some education.
the apostrophe is you're friend
DeleteOK I bite,
ReplyDeleteWhat Ghetto are you referring too?
Please give us enough information to understand your message.
12:07 If you have facts pleasd share them Saul alinsky was a communist organizer in Chicago. Alinsky wrote a book called rules for radicals explicity stating intimidtae, attack, mock, bully harass (the art of war uses similiar concepts and words like poke)
ReplyDeleteYour name calling helps no one. It is the tool of tryants like Castro Chaves Mao stalin and others who feel the need to use the power of political office to attack those with opposing view.......like say the IRS going after a lesbian group because they are lesbians, or the irs going after catholics because they are catholic......like they have been doing. For all we know you might be a DC NSA wonk ordered by the administration to watch internet traffic for word alinsky chicago and then ordered to post condescending name calling comments in hopes of distracting others from seeing the truth. That is the thing about arguing facts, they are facts..............so do you have any?
Saul was a community organizer and I would think people on this site might want to check him out. I have posted a little about him on this site below.
DeleteSaul Alinsky was a communist. He got rich while the "organized" he claimed to want to help stayed poor. Someone posted the truth about this self-serving communist below.
DeleteHis followers continue to profit and enrich themselves playing the same communist organizing games and make themselves rich while the poor stay poor.Like Reverend Wright in Chicago- millionaire, daughter recent busted in an illegal money making scheme o the terrorist Bill Ayers- Millionaire living in a ritzy Chicago penthouse eating filet and drinking $100.00 bottle wines while the poor in Chicago are in the street shooting themselves, unwed mothers are through the roof, male figureheads are no where to be seen, cops can't respond to crime because the money went to bloated crooked pension and the 'Organizer's' are fat, rich and happy.
ReplyDeleteI agree that name calling is not helpful; however, we have City staff who use language in a passively dangerous way, who make up terms to skirt issues--particularly in situations where they are not following laws.
Does anyone remember the Hall Property argument that there was no contamination because they tested for industrial contamination and not agricultural contamination, so it didn't show up? Then when the courts made them test for the right contaminants, they made up a new category that they christened, "recreational contamination."
I understand how people can be pushed to calling a card a card. For example, is it name calling to point out the our current city manager has left a trail of economic destruction at other cities where he held positions of responsibility, and he had the same response of blaming others for his unpopularity, poor performance, and his contribution to increasing debt? The same pattern is unfolding in Encinitas.
If he were building debt in his personal life, that would be another issue. However, Gus Vina is incentivized to put debt on the backs of Encinitas citizens because he is personally rewarded for doing it. He and City staff are motivated by their version of sustainability, which means that they get to sustain their paychecks and pension, no matter how much burden they place on taxpayers. The only thing that we hear out of Gus are many comments complimenting himself, his staff, and his continuous praise for how much money we have in the City. None of these comments are supported with facts. Cities with a lot of money do not put up banners advertising paver stones for sale in Council Chambers.
7:59 i doubt you are !12:07. I agree name calling is of little benefit and only weakens the argumnet. Fionr instance city staff at the hall park along with the council that approved the faulty grading plans that have now effected residents twice could be called incompetent. Vina pushing high density for his pension could be called self serving. I agree with your comment about the council putting up a sign in the chambers selling pavers........a few weeks ago the council approved hiring a spin doctor for 135K, a resident at city spoke and asked the council to take the money and pay down the debt or buy a bunch of pavers..................the council ignored the speakers and voted to give Vina what he wanted. Calling the council idiots on this issue helps no one, calling the fiscally irresppnsible tells the truth
ReplyDeleteSo who is this new spin doctor. I haven't seen anything announced. Also, regarding the pavers. a 5013C group, called Patrons of Encinitas Parks, went to the CIty quite a while ago and asked to be basically the non-profit group who would raise money for the Park. This was before Gus, and was during the time when we had an interim City Manager. So far, they have done nothing, however, they committed to helping financially with the park. Because the City entered into an almost exclusive agreement with them, other 5013C's have not stepped up. The pavers are a way to help fund the park, but they you can also leave a bit of your own history in the park should you chose to do so. I think they are pretty cool, but that is just my opinion.
ReplyDeletePerhaps the council is waking up to the fact that Vina has caused them a lot of trouble. Maybe they actually get the message that now is not the time to hire a spin doctor.
DeleteA little about Saul:
ReplyDeleteSaul David Alinsky (January 30, 1909 – June 12, 1972) was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing. He is often noted for his book Rules for Radicals.
In the course of nearly four decades of political organizing, Alinsky received much criticism, but also gained praise from many public figures. His organizing skills were focused on improving the living conditions of poor communities across North America. In the 1950s, he began turning his attention to improving conditions of the African-American ghettos, beginning with Chicago's and later traveling to other ghettos in California, Michigan, New York City, and a dozen other "trouble spots".
His ideas were later adapted by some U.S. college students and other young organizers in the late 1960s and formed part of their strategies for organizing on campus and beyond.[5] Time magazine once wrote that "American democracy is being altered by Alinsky's ideas," and conservative author William F. Buckley said he was "very close to being an organizational genius."[4]
Saul Alinsky- Communist organizer and agitator. Used the politics of class, gender and race warfare to pit neighbor against neighbor, brother against brother, religion against religion and spouse against spouse in the name of his own riches, ego and political ambitions. Used political class and gender warfare that kept the poor poor while enriching an elite political class......hmm. Lived a life of luxury and decadence while those he used for his own ends remained in poverty.
DeletePlatonic Grand father to the domestic Chicago terrorist organization Weather Underground that promoted communism, socialism, the over throw of the US government and bombing innocent civilians and private property. (think the WH administration NSA is picking up these key words today?)
Saul Alinsky Father of the radical communist movement in America that as defined in the 1963 Communist manifesto presented to congress detailed the collapse of America through a plan that included emasculating the American male (have you see the androgenous effeminate manners of many American men today -being an American male seems frowned upon in some circles) removing the American male as the figurehead of the American family (have you seen out of wedlock birth rates in America) destroying the American family (how many kids have been shuttled to day care in the name of progress) promoting a matriarchial society (see feminizing the American male) doing away with God, infiltrating colleges to promote agenda's that achieve the above stated goals (Chicago, Columbia the home of terrorist Bill Ayers and Berandien Dohrn and the weather underground) (Harvard University and the teachings of Charles Ogletree/-Derrick Bell and the racist ideology called critical race theory), infiltrating k-12 to achieve the above stated goals, infiltrating churches (Chicago- Father Phelger, and Rev Wright- home of the racist ideology called black liberation theology), infiltrating tv to control messaging, infiltrating the press to dumb down the American people, infiltrating editorial boards of local papers, infiltrating Hollywood to control film. All resulting in a new government that uses government power to silence, harass and intimidate and soon tax any citizen who has an opposing view. A new communist government that spies on residents and opposed individual freedom and liberty.
Those were stated goals found in the Communist Manifesto of 1963 presented to the United States Congress. Google and read them. Do you think they have come true?
Did you happen to know Saul. I did, and i also know he was demonized by our government at the time.
ReplyDeleteWith his communist beliefs, plans to over throw America and desire to limit freedom and liberty I can see why Alinsky was opposed.
DeleteThe new society and civil rights were about equality and self-reliance. Alinsky was about organizing for political power that kept the poor poor and lined the pockets of himself and politicians .
Take one look at Chicago and you can see what kind of ideals and principles Alinsky promoted. While the city is bankrupt and can't provide basic services the political class are living in penthouses like the terrorist Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dhoern living in a glass tower while the poor stay poor.
You really ought to know your history a bit better if you are going to publish this info. Just saying.
DeleteAh- I think Saul worked with Bill Ayers and the terrorist group in Chicago calling itself the Weather Underground. Bill Ayers blew up a private building, people got hurt, and people went to jail. These are all facts. Maybe that is why the US FBI kept an eye on Alinsky- he had plans to over throw America and create a new political class based on communism. Good for him and his friends, bad for us.
Delete12:43- did the terrorist Bill Ayers in Chicago blow up a building? A simple yes or no answer will suffice-
Delete12:44 Saul Alinsky DID work with Bill Ayers at one time and Ayers did blow up a building. In fact members of todays political ruling class- Valerie Jarret, David Axelrod, Rahm Emmaunel also come from Chicago and are family with Mr. Alinsky's teachings and tactics.
DeleteI am pretty sure the WH and the NSA are now tracking all these posts. Posts at the risk of your own liberty and potential IRS audit.
12:44-You think or do you know that Saul worked with Bill and Bill blew up a building. Was he ever convicted of this? Please, at least know what you are talking about before your paranoia gets the best of you. I hear Dr. Lori calling. And, speaking of her, where is she? Anyone know?
Delete12:55 you are now name calling and making derogatory comments, you are making 12:09's point. Alinsky's rule 5 in the book rules for radical is "ridicule" is that why you mention 'paranoia' because 12:55 writes the truth that you can't refute the facts?
Delete12:47 looks like you got your answer- Ayers did blow up buildings. I didn't know any of this, never even heard this of Chicago communist connection.
DeleteWas Ayers ever tried and convicted?
DeleteI have seen some of the extra large No on A signs that break our city ordinances for size of political signs. Some citizens lodged a complaint, and there has been no action--just like when Stocks and Muir put up their signs early to gain political advantage. Gus Vina excused them saying that they were only 2 days early. Apparently, rules are only enforced or ignored based on the City Manager benefits in a particular situation since the illegal No signs remain where they are.
ReplyDeleteThe current Council and City leaders are breaking their own rules. The No on A people misquote citizens, organizations, positions of the Coastal Commission, and Council members themselves.
Barth, Kranz and Shaffer, you have disappointed us because you enable and support people who do the same unethical things that the last council did. By not taking action to make them follow City rules and by abandoning the principals you ran on, you are losing moral ground and are indistinguishable from the people you replaced.
I saw a lot of signs go up in the public right of way for No on A. I think that is illegal as well.
Delete12:55 Bill Ayers recently admitted to a reporter in discussing the Boston Bombings that "What I did was some destruction of property". As you well know Ayers and his terrorist organization from Chicago attacked a NYC police Office and the US Pentagon. Looks like you are using rule #5.
ReplyDeleteDestruction of property is quite different than blowing up buildings. Many of us in the late 60's and 70's occupied buildings, just as the Occupy movement does now. I did leave the Students for a Democratic Society when they began to associate with the Weather Underground, who did endorse violence. I didn't, and still don't, believe in using violence. I walked with MLK in Atlanta, who believed violence solved nothing. However, I knew many of these people, and I do know the history. Don't read and believe everything the right or the left tells you. As I am sure you know, history is told after it happens, and like a lot of things it sometimes depends on who is telling it. I imagine the Japanese have quite a different story about WW2 than we were taught in California public schools in the 50's. We were never told about the internment camps for innocent Japanese US citizens, for example. Love the discussion, but have to attend to something a but more important right now. It's been fun. I like being anonymous. Now I understand W.c.'s perspective a bit more.
DeleteThe lunatic fringe has taken over this post. Some of you are really paranoid on this blog.
ReplyDeleteNone of these people your writing about have anything to do with Encinitas or it's politics.
Get out of your FOX bubble and stop listening to wing nuts like Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh!
To link Chicago communist radicals, or to repeat false and unsupported claims about who may be members of this group of radicals, or what ties they may have to them, or agendas that are being followed have nothing to do with Encinitas, Council members or staff.
2:49 but the post is about Urbanism and high density housing. I had never heard of Building One America out of Chicago, it makes for interesting reading, and there in fact ties to many of the names mentioned on these posts. There is no denying that the Minn St Paul area some posted about here is in fact taking tax dollars from one school district and given them to another, I googled it and read about it.
DeleteIt seems to me it has a lot to do with what is happening in Encinitas. There is a big story today in the UT about Urbanism and Regionalism- the UT said SANDAG is calling it San Diego Forward- just what the first poster mentioned.
This has been a fascinating post- so much I didn't know.
I'm not going to take urban planning advice from the U-T, thanks. Here's a snapshot of its new owner:
Deletehttp://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/12/06/the-fall-of-the-san-diego-union-tribune/191710
"At 70, Douglas "Papa Doug" Manchester has established himself as a prime developer and businessman in San Diego. A longtime resident of the area, Manchester got his start selling insurance before branching out into real estate and banking. "
I think papa doug is all for regional density upzoning. I don't trust media matters.
DeleteLL This all good stuff I did not know about. Just googled Building one America Regionalism and came up with lots of information. There is a group that wants to do away with the suburbs and promote cookie cutter development at a regional level called BOA- Then there is the money opposing Prop A that comes from Chicago. I also looked up that rules thing and that's true. I don't know about those fox people, I don't watch much tele but this high density agenda is interesting- they use words like pedestrian, bicycle, trains, urban- just like Shaffer and Barth in their columns.
DeleteLoser L - it looks like all the claims are supported by facts from the google searching I did. I didn't know anything about this high density stuff coming from Chicago until I read about it here- crazy
Delete2:28 using another of the rules for radicals endorsed by the communist Alinsky you attempt to associate the good name of MLK in an effort to justify the murderous intent of the Weather Underground and to condone the actions of the terrorist Ayers. Then in an attempt to defect criticism from the bombing terrorist and communist Bill Ayers and his relationship to the communist Saul Alinsky you reference WWII in an effort to try and strengthen an argument you can't make by hoping you can go outside my expertise and give your argument undeserved credibility. In Alinky's rules for radicals this is rule 3.
ReplyDeleteThat Ayers claimed after the Boston Bombing that what he did was "some destruction of property" doesn't mean it was not horrific with malicious intent. Should we expect a terrorist to say I meant to kill more but my incompetence prevented me? And are you condoning the destruction of private property?
As you know Ayers then girlfriend Diana Oughton and fellow underground Terrorist Ted Gold and friend Terry Robbins were all killed when a bomb they were preparing that contained nails, much like the nails in the Boston Cooker bombings carried out by Islamic fascists, exploded in their Greenwich townhouse. It was reported that bomb was meant for new recruits at Fort Dix. Let us not forget claims the Weather Underground placed gasoline firebombs at the house of a New York Judge presiding over a black panther case and Bill Ayers telling the Ney York times "I don't regret setting bombs.....I feel we didn't do enough" Today Ayers is a Professor indoctrinating our youth.
For all interested google 'the communist manifesto of 1963 congress' read and learn. Ayers now lives in a toni penthouse in Chicago's finest district living the highlife while below Chicago has become the murder capital of America, schools are failing, the city is bankrupt and poor are poor and the political elites are living high on the hog.
"You don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan
ReplyDeleteI wish this kind of energy was put forward to the real issue which is
ReplyDeletehttp://www.populationconnection.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_us
We would not need to be managed as rats if we didn't procreate faster than a mosquito following a florida summer rain.
Quit pumping out the babies.
ReplyDeleteI think they need to make a condition upon collecting welfare or any other long term government program to get fixed.
We need more 5,000 sq ft McMansions in Encinitas. Where is Mick Pattinson when you need him?
ReplyDeleteNew post, please! This Commie stuff is boring. Nice try, tho, trolls.
ReplyDeleteThis a great post about the myth of high density urban housing. Barth and Shaffer have to be held accountable. Thanks WCV-
ReplyDeleteDeputy Mayor Shaffer wrote a column in The Coast News that promotes her ideology of high density housing at the expense of community character and the quality of life of today's residents.
Shaffer arrogantly lectures us that the council is not always going to vote the way we want.............Shaffer thinks we children and don't know this truth of how the world works and more over that she condescends she knows best and we should all be silent. Shaffer has aligned herself with unethical high density developers- that is the fact
Shaffer goes on to lecture that Encinitas needs the regional high density housing she wants for Encinitas- using the eco-bully tactic of pedestrian friendly, trains, etc.........like we are all children and can't decided for ourselves what community we want.
Shaffer lectures us that she is for openness yes she backed city manager Vina when resident Denise Martin exposed he was deals with Rutan and Tucker.
Barth and Shaffer want high density because they think they know better than us what we need- high density! Muir and Gaspar want high density in the name of profits.
Fact- Shaffer and Barth have aligned themselves with a high density housing group our of Chicago. Fact- Building One America that promotes high density regional urbanism at the expense of taxpayers is from Chicago.
Great information for the public to know about.
Why don't they just do their jobs and stay out of social engineering. None of these suggestions to address global warming will make a significant difference in a global context with 7 billion people in the world. They could double or triple the population of Encinitas, and it would have no measurable impact. Ruining our city will make a huge difference to those of us who live here! The level of hubris to ruin our environment to save the world is stupid.
DeleteHad they run an a platform of changing Encinitas policies for the benefit of future residents, it would have been a different issue, and I wouldn't have voted for them. They all ran on protection of community character!
DeleteYES on A.
ReplyDeleteShaffer and ethics? Shaffer and the council have been telling residents "No vote on upzoning in Encinitas has happened without a vote of the people"
ReplyDeleteTruth is 101 was upzoned without a vote of the people, drive by whole foods. Why the lie?
About Whole Foods- it is a destination plaza, bringing more cars to downtown, more traffic, more pollution. Each of the 44 condo's at Pacific Station have two car parking- again more cars, more traffic-
Shaffer wants us to believe she is for sustainability and all this high density actually make things worse not better.
She also wants us to believe she has ethics, which per the above she's abandoned for win at any cost. We were duped.
DeleteBumped into one of Shaffer's colleagues today. When I told her that Shaffer was "green" and "very confused", the person said, "Lisa confused? Now that I can believe!"
ReplyDeleteThis is a true story - which means I am not a developer!
On this topic of high density urbanism and profits the coast news letters section has an interesting piece about Pedr Norby opening a $700,000 escrow of some sort for the Ecke's- wow! Is it any wonder Norby is on video recommending 5 story buildings and the Stocks and Gaspar put Norby in a leadership role? I saw Barth having coffee with Norby in Encinitas a few weeks ago, were they looking at sites to upzone? When is the council going to get rid of that guy, how much are they paying him? IT looks bad to Barth and the council he is still there.
ReplyDeleteI just saw this email from the high density lawyer Marco Gonzalez- I think the city has already hired the PR specialist and that the council is now engaged in INFOWARS-
ReplyDeleteI say this because first Barth sends out her news letter about how the A issue has been disruptive and we all should come together.....and she only includes the North County Current editorial not the Coast News (hmm- controlling the message?) then Shaffer writes an editorial blaming everyone but her and the council, making claims to be for open government when she let the VIna Ruran Tucker fisco go unchallenged, and she and Barth both write about increased housing density plans and all the train, bicycle stuff that we all can choose but don't want forced on us-
Now comes this email from Gonzales who got a high density increase from Barth and Shaffer at the expense of what residents called quality of life and safety in OLivenhain at Desert Rose.
I think something is afoot and they are doing their PR thing to spin the story by blaming the yes on A people, and trying to make the claim we need to upzone the city.
Maybe someone will produce documentation under the Freedom Act that shows the city hired the PR person last week- just saying, this looks like a campaign of deception and blame and looks coordinated.
Watch the new PR person being Mike Andreen. This will be the day I pack my bags and leave town.
ReplyDeleteIs there a difference between Mike And green, Pear Nor by and Gus Via? All three are unable to be successful in the private, all three make their money by doing the bidding of elected elites and special interests. If Barth fans Shaffer had integrity they would fire Norby and Vina. If Barth hopes to run for office again it is the only way she will be elected.
DeleteThe NO on Prop A campaign makes me absolutely sick. I hope all their lies, manipulations, and playing with people's emotions backfires on them. The new flier, going as far as using the color scheme and font of the Yes on A camp, is beyond disgusting. The No on campaign will probably cost close to $100K, all paid by developers, real estate national boards, and large property owners.
ReplyDeleteWhat a naive council we have. Tony is teetering on the verge of being an idiot. Gaspar and Muir..well we never expected much from them.
Lisa is starting to really annoy me with her excuses and her Kumbaya approach. She is simply not cut out for politics if every time there is not a 100% agreement behind her, she is going to start whining about it and how she is misunderstood.
The problem with electing people that are fairly new to Encinitas and they don't realize what Encinitas used to be 20 or 30 years ago. You have to appreciate the journey to finally say " No Mas!"
Good post, 4:21. Lisa Shaffer has reached her Peter Principle zenith. Perhaps she was a good administrator, but she is not being a good elected official. She becomes defensive. She DOES want to take reduce time donations for public speakers on agenda items. She's not a good listener, because she is too busy defending herself, and thinking of what she must state, "for the record." She is rigid and inflexible, worse than Mayor Barth, although Barth is a close second. Barth doesn't understand the Rules of Parliamentary procedure.
DeleteI already voted YES on A, because I can't trust this Council, or future Council's not to put insider interests before the good of the neighborhoods, the "little guys and gals: who make up our communities.
We voted Barth, Shaffer and Kranz in, and we've had our high hopes crushed.
2:19 PM
ReplyDeleteSad to think that we trusted Tony, Lisa, and Teresa.
Yes, very sad, 4:36 :(
DeleteCan someone share Marco's email? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteIf you post Marco the high density attorney email post Audet's rebuttal, it spelled it all out.
DeleteWill someone please post Marco's email? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteW.C.
ReplyDeleteFor your information On Dec. 4, 1991 PAM SLATER (before she married her developer husband herschall price) as a city council member of Encinitas, made the motion to adopt land use policy 3.12.5 creating the 4/5 exception. It was a 5/0 vote. This was 2 1/2 years after the general plan was adopted. Check it out for yourself Sounds like DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO.
6:52 you use another rule from Alinsky, obfuscate to distract. In 1991 the city had just incorporated to break free of the greedy developers sticking it to residents. The ccouncil under Ms. Price could be trusted. The along came the special interest councils who abused their positions, in 2010 we learned the mayor Dan Dalager had taken 100K loans from developers and Dalager pled guilty to the DA, then there was the 16 years reign Stocks and Bond who increased debt and pensions. Stocks once got $15,000 from the now bankrupt developer Bar rat Americ, and he had to return it!, we then learned 60% of Stocks donors were out of towndevelopers, in 2012 Stocks was caught on video breaking city election codes. Today thereI left my ethics at the office Shaffer who sided with developers and says she wants to increase density for social engineering, there is Mayor Barth who let the ballot rebutaal lie no uupzoning happened with a vote of the people be spread knowing its falsehood, let us not forget Gaspar and her husband Paul and Ecke heir and developer Dave Meyer with their We Love Encinitas mailer.............none of this existed in 1991, it does exist today. Votes yes A stop the grred, stop the density,
DeleteIs that you Jerome with that rant about Pam? It sounds like the misinformation you used to spread . It is interesting Pam's career went on to higher office and she retired with respect. Jerome Stocks ended in disgarcedisgrace and he never got nominated for higher office. Adding salt to his wounds no doubt was being the losing campaign manager for Dannon and the county supervisor role Pam so Gracefully retired from. Wonder if Jerome will be sending Joe CorderOrder a christmasChristmas gift.....hey maybe a video recorder camera would make a good gift.
DeleteThanks, Anon. That's interesting.
DeleteThere's some saying that there's no believer like the converted. Ronald Reagan was a converted liberal. I myself was once an incorrigible nihilist.
It gives me even more respect for Slater that she was once against the right to vote and has been thoughtful and open enough since to reconsider her position.
You don't expect a thoughtful person to not change her views in 20 years, do you?
Said say we trusted pam
ReplyDeleteI simply expect Pam or hershell to admit to their mistake. They seam to be part of the prolmem not the answer. Thank you.
ReplyDeletewhat problem? It was Dalager who took the 100K developer loan and plead guilty to the DA. It was Stocks caught on video violating election ordinances? PS Price brought honor and respect to the city- Stocks and Dalager brought shame and ridicule.
DeleteJEROME admit to what mistake? No nest open transparent councils of 1991 were trusted with a majority. MAYORS LIKE DALAGER WHO PLEAD GUILTY TO THE DA or like Stocks caught on video violating ordinances violated that trust.......that is why 8000 residents signed the Prop Initiative
ReplyDeleteChristy robocalled me and said "Pam doesn't even live in Encinitas anymore." As if she was never Mayor, never cared or didn't represent us at the County for two decades!
ReplyDeleteI think the city has hired the PR spin doctor. I think the city is orchestrating the NO on A campaign. In the past week Gaspar wrote a column making the same claim as Geurin's call regards Ms. Price, the Shaffer Barth both write editorials about 'coming together after A' and Barth only includes the North County current editorial (so much for openness eh)
ReplyDeleteWho is the PR spin Doctor?
Gus, until the new position is named.
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