UPDATE: City response here. They claim there's no blockage, but they show a significant trickle flowing into the Hall Park. Where's the water coming out the other end?
UPDATE: A city source sends this photo taken June 7 of the outflow from the Hall Park area.
Our city source adds:
Good flow in the creek for how dry it's been. Nice visit with people that have lived with the creek for decades and say they don't know what the fuss is about, other than a festering wound from a controversial park.
During the Hall Park Planning EIR report in 2008 residents went to city hall and informed the council led by Stocks, Bond and Dalager that the city did not have an adequate draining and grading plan and that Rossini Creek was under threat.
ReplyDeleteThe council and staff led by Patrick Murphy and city Engineer Massi (something) ignored residents. They are responsible.
Late last summer City Manager Vina recommended raiding 15 fully funded citywide capital projects like improving Cottonwood Park and too the money to start the Hall Park just ahead of the election. Because the city did not have adequate funds to build the park because of financial mismanagement the council including Barth, Gaspar and Muir all approved what I consider a risky plan to bury toxic pesticide soil on the site rather than dig it up and haul it away. Digging it up and hauling to away would seem to be more safe and healthy, but it cost more money. So the council under Gaspar, Muir and Barth led by city manager Vina took the cheaper approach and buried it on site.
Today we are seeing the consequences of failed leadership. The city's grading plan was inadequate from the beginning, the planning staff claiming it was a good grading plan proved not to be true, the city council and city manager hose the cheaper route to treat hazardous waste soil (the city calls it dirty dirt....maybe the new PR spin doctor Mr. Norby will call it something else) - too because they failed to plan properly.
The whole thing could have been avoided if the council, city manager and planning director Patrick Murphy had followed the recommendations of the residents in 2008- they didn't.
They could have built one less park but they didn't. At last weeks council meeting the council discussed raising fees on youth sports AND they talked about raising sports fees for groups over 25 people............I guess the talk about the park being a regional sports park for serving regional tournaments and fitting a new high density regional zoning plan turned out to be true............hmm imagine that.
WC- looks like Encinitas isn't a one issue town after all, unless the issue is an incompetent over paid city manager and a council failing to follow the wishes of residents.
Actually, The county had required the city to remove the identified toxic soil off site. Then stocks and friends spent about nine months and a bunch of money hiring a La Jolla law firm so that they did not have to remove the 49,000 yd.³ of toxic soil. That 49,000 yd.³ of toxic soil is planted in the sports park now.
ReplyDeleteAnd don't forget that's a 60 to 70 million Dollar regional sports park that the city is calling a community park and saying it cost $19 million.
This park and the unethical way it was all financed so that Gus could keep his job. A person with ethics would have refused to push this through by comingling funds. An ethical manager would have watched this project and would have done all things possible to protect this wetland, which may be gone forever!
ReplyDeleteIsn't it nice to know that this unique natural resource has been converted to staff pay and pensions. This was a casualty of our City's mismanagement and greed. It is criminal!
It looks like our council that talks about sustainability, fiscal responsibility and protecting community character are more interested in sustaining their power by opposing A and less interested in sustaining our quality of life.
Delete...or our community character.
DeleteGreat video. No words necessary to convey it's message. Plenty of words needed to undo the damage.
ReplyDeleteAs Councilwoman Gaspar has recited before, we can't do anything because it would open up the EIR.
ReplyDeletePlease get that video and information to the Coastal Commission and the Regional Water Board. There are large fines associated with the city tampering with waters of the state. Who knows, the fines could be more than the cost of the park.
ReplyDeleteWhere is Marco Gonzalez in this issue? He lives in Cardiff and fought to define define areas of one of our stadiums, I think it was Petco Park, as wetlands--even though they were used for other uses.
DeleteDoes he want to protect wetlands in San Diego and look the other way when wetlands in Encinitas are destroyed or put at risk?
marco the high densiy attorney? Marco the let's ignore the wetlands at Desert Rose? Forget Marco, some body call Turko.
ReplyDeleteTurko is all sports park and any one who doesn't want that are children haters. He could not care less. He called citizens who complained about the toxic soil
ReplyDelete, NIMBYs
Exactly, Turko helped bamboozle the public about the park. Is Turko also complicit in the Rossini Creek fiasco?
DeleteLooks good to me. More people are watering their lawn less. Less runoff, less pumping from N. Ca and Colorado river. It all looks good to me. what is wrong with you retards?
ReplyDeleteYou do not live in Orogen. You live in a desert with less than 10 inches of rain per year. Less then Arizona gets.
Wake up. Frogs should only be in natural habitat like cottonwood. Not sure about your area. Might be pure irrigation from N. CA.
11:21 You fail to address the facts, why? Rossini Creek thrived in the desert climate you described until incompetence at the city killed it.
DeleteIT is not the desert that killed Rossini Creek but the council that included Barth, Muir and Gaspar along with city planning director Patrick Murphy and city engineer Mossi Mahan-
You are trying the tactic of shooting the messenger, it does not stop the message, the council has again failed residents. I hope our kids and dogs don't get sick playing at that park........it is something every parent should ask themselves.
I have a better idea. use less water and move to Oregen. Let see how welcome you are in Oregon.... he he he... you sure used alot of water here in the desert.
ReplyDeleteDo you really care about the Earth or the desert you live?
I'm so sorry about the corruption of our City, being led by corrupt City Manager, Gus Vina, whose specialty is giving the "Evil Eye" to those with whom he "has issues." I had to hold my hand to the side of my face and say, "Stop staring at me," at a subcommittee meeting, the other day.
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry for the loss of Rossini Creek, and the degradation of the environment.
Thanks for the post. Sad but true. Well, we've heard the saying, "it's always darkest before the dawn." I hope that's true for our City. I do believe if Prop A passes, a lot more positive change will occur. We're ABSOLUTELY voting yes, as soon as we get our absentee ballots. We're not permanent absentee voters, so had to send for them. Does anyone know how long they take to be sent out, once someone requests one?
12:31 Do you have any facts to share with public or only derogatory comments of others? Rossini Creek was a thriving sustainable ecosystem benefiting the community. The council including Gaspar, Muir, Barth along with Stocks, Dalager and Bond, in action with city manager Patrick Murphy, City Engineering Mossy Mahan all ignored the warnings of residents that that Rossini Creek would be destroyed. Their failed planning has come home to roost.
ReplyDeletenope. Its was artificial and only created by excessive landscape irrigation.
DeleteIt a more natural state without all the landscaping overwatering, the creek would only have runoff during storm events and a few days after.
You don't see runoff on other gullys in undeveloped areas like Indian head now do you?
stupid people.
HELLO FOLKS, I just walked Rossini creek it appears to be alive and well,flora and fana even water.
ReplyDeleteAnything you say, Gus.
DeleteThe great thing about video is it tells the truth. Think of the video showing city facilitator Pedr Norby recommending 5 story buildings.
DeleteMost of the folks who comment on this blog have no idea where Rossini creek is or that it was even there. I'm quite sure most have never been there or know that it has been dry many times in the last thirty years. Yes folks, there have been many dry years with little or no flow in the creek before the park was even under construction. We are experiencing a drought right now folks and have had below average rainfall for two years straight and are well on our way to a third.
ReplyDeleteWrong! I've lived close to Rossini Creek for more than thirty years, and it never went dry, even in drought years. There was always sufficient runoff from the greenhouses and surrounding areas, which included areas east of the freeway, to keep a minimal flow. The flow diminished after the greenhouses were torn down. Surface flow could sometimes disappear in the flatter segments at the driest times, but the water always emerged further downstream. It was simply flowing underground.
DeleteI've walked the creek from Montgomery to the Hall property innumerable times. You should try it. It could be an enlightening experience.
Not wrong!
DeleteYou basically repeated just what I said. Little or no flow has been seen in certain parts of the creek many times from ebb and flow resulting from our erratic weather cycles and supplemented by over watering by residential sprinkler activity on the banks of the canyons keep the appearance of a perennial flow in Rossini creek.
I also agree with you that much of the perennial flow was generated by up stream greenhouse activity that has dramatically been reduced in the area east of the canyon in recent years.
I have spent many a day hiking all of the slot canyons in and around the area for the last 30 years and know of what I speak of from my own experiences and observations over the many years spent hiking them.
All of the slot canyons in the area have the same issues with drought cycles but some are wetter than others for various reasons in dry times.
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DeleteDid the city begin construction of a park? Did the city earlier this year meet with residents who complained that the park design, grading and drainage plan was causing problems? Did the city take steps to change the approved grading plans?
Well, this is certainly a first! Here's a fiasco that is not Jerome Stocks fault! Clearly, his has Barth's name written all over it and is further justification to recall her!
ReplyDeleteSheesh.....you people need a life. I have a creekk running through my property and it goes dry every so often. I don't blame the politicians and I don't blame developers. This stuff just happens.
- The Sculpin
Scuplin-
DeleteHave you had the city recently begin construction of a park that knowingly blocked the flow of water into your seasonal creek? A yes or no answer will suffice. Thank you
First, it's Sculpin, not Scuplin. Second, you know the answer is No - you must be an attorney because you only ask questions of which you already know the answer! The fallacy in your question is the use of the word "knowingly". Since you are an attorney, I am sure you will be able to provide proof of intent.
DeleteRECALL GASPAR
ReplyDeleteBring back JEROME,I miss him
ReplyDeleteInteresting- one day no flow, creek is dry, then suddenly a resident complains a blogger blogs and there is flow. Did we have any rain -no. So, where the water come from, an unblocked grading plan most likely.
ReplyDeleteUsing your logic (conspiracy theory), I would venture space aliens - much more plausible.
DeleteSpace aliens are more plausible than a professional Encinitas staff under this leadership. In some departments, they only do the right thing after being caught doing the wrong thing--which is all the time.
DeleteIn any other workplace, Jeff Murphy would be told to hit the road, and Gus Vina would have been fired months ago. Who is running this city? It does not seem to be the council.
I have heard reasons for keeping Gus such as, "give him a chance," or "he had to do what Jerome said." He has had his chance and Jerome is no longer in control. Changes have to be made, one way or another.
The only trickle I hear are the coins dropping into the city staff pension funds.
Delete9:56 I concur, it would be funny if it was not true.
DeletePolitical operatives pushing an agenda have long known when you can't attack the message then attack the messenger......
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