Wednesday, November 9, 2016

11/9/16 City Council meeting open thread

Please use the comments to record your observations.

136 comments:

  1. Is this Shaffer's last council meeting?

    Let's hope so.

    Where's Gaspar?

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    1. Hocking her Supervisorial outfit!

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  2. Appeal is up now. The developers are just ah shucks boys who say they are locate. Is one of the developers for this Leucadia property, Steve Winters, the same Steve Winters that was a trader for Bernie Madoff? SD Reader story - http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/financial-crime-politics/2008/dec/17/ex-madoff-trader-now-running-cardiff-firm-was-aske/

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  3. The developers say they are locals.

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  4. Shaffer runs the meeting like a dictator.

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  5. Hang on...please,
    Is this winters guy affiliated with Rincon? The snail-paced builder next to O Hurley's , a little Moore?
    Rincon has been ringing door bells asking owners to sell so they can cram crap housing into lots. R11+ garbage.
    There is a pending w Jason st. Project.
    If sleaze ball madoff guy is involved please jump in.thx.

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  6. Blakespear's claws and turncoat personality prevails. She wants to approve the project. So much for preserving our paradise. Shaffer seconds the motion. Muir is asking his lame ass questions. Jump in Kranz, with you lame ass questions. Nothing has changed. The four are in the developer's pockets.

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  7. And there were complaints about Gaspar being in the developers pockets. :)

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  8. It's so refreshing to see the council working together. GASpar seems to invite contention and as far as I'm concerned, she can miss the rest of the meetings. She has been a horrible mayor. Catherine has class.

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    1. Catherine indeed has class. Shaffer is the worst.

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  9. 8:30 PM
    Yes, very refreshing to watch Blakespear and the other three screw over a community in Leucadia. Blakespear is a first class %$$$.

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  10. Blakespear has already contradicted her campaign slogan to "Preserve Paradise." Same assholes, same bullshit.

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  11. 8:33 This is a nice improvement to Leucadia, which is one shit ugly place.

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    1. It is a shoehorn maxed out development to maximize the developer profit. It is an ugly building. The Council didn't care what effects the project would have on the community. The building could have been downsized. Money, money is Blakespear's manta.

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    2. Keep Leucadia funky!

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    3. 8:33 - to the east of me is a lovely single family home, built in 1998. It has a beautiful 17,000 Sq ft lot planted with flowering and fruit trees. Rincon saw the lot,approached the owner, and now our single family neighbor is soon to be approved as a 4 home - each
      larger than the single family home
      project. This is not preserving paradise.. this is maximizing r11 footage without regard for the neighborhood. Track housing...cookie cutter garbage.

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  12. Blame the Planning Commission who approved the project. The people who opposed the project don't want anything near them.

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  13. 8:53 PM
    Blame the neighbors? Of course the neighbors didn't know the city and developers were going to screw them. The belief is that the Council would listen.

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    1. The neighbors had reasonable requests; from what I read, they wanted to modify alley access/egress and change/add a stop sign there. Council could have approved the project with some requested modifications.

      Kristin Gaspar did allow public speakers to go over their time limits a bit, to "sum it up." Shaffer sounds like Barth, before her, and Stocks, before that, cutting people off, rudely, while Council has no time limits. Shaffer is one of the longest winded. I wish KG had appointed Muir as Deputy Mayor; I don't think he would be so rude to public speakers, those who take the time and make the effort to attend, personally, and to share their informed viewpoints.

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  14. Shaffer chairing the meeting is like Stocks chairing the meeting.

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    1. She cuts people off at exactly the allotted time, wants speakers to consolidate comments and wants the audience not to applaud because she really doesn't give a shit what residents say or think. She just wants to impose her will.

      Be grateful she'll soon be gone, but Tasha sounds like the reincarnation of Shaffer as a council member.

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    2. 9:12 You sound so jealous.

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    3. 9:57 You're confusing jealousy with totally justified resentment.

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    4. 10:14 You poor victim.

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    5. Every Encinitas resident is a Shaffer victim.

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    6. Shaffer was reveling in her exercise of power and control. Of course, she was resentful about the defeat of Measure T and taking it out on the residents. This is nothing new. She is always unhappy when she doesn't get her way. Will her legacy be banning plastic bags and polystyrene? One is now state wide and the other will soon be.

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    7. Wait a minute. Are you saying she actually expected people to make their points in the two minutes that everyone knows they have, because it's written on the speaker slip and it's on the giant red countdown clock in front of the speaker?

      Outrage! Injustice! Victim! Our constitutional rights have been violated! This is a hate crime!

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    8. Three minutes, Mr. Know-It-All. Actually makes a diff.

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    9. This isn't your TED talk.

      Three minutes and not a second more. The meetings are too long already.

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    10. 'Big Tasha' will be a Cultural Marxist nightmare. Old Encinitas local.

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  15. Shaffer is doing a great job. Better than the current mayor who likes to have the focus on herself.

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    1. Shaffer is a dictator. She sucks.

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  16. Blakespear will be a nightmare as Mayor.

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  17. Council members babble on pointlessly for as long as they want, but residents who actually have something important to contribute get cut off.

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    1. Even the House and Senate have time limits. Get a grip.

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    2. The House and Senate aren't small beach towns where the speakers know the council members by their first names.

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  18. Styrofoam gone for any food or drinks in Encinitas. Muir wanted them also ban at the beach or parks if people bring the containers with food from outside Encinitas. What is the penalty for using Styrofoam?
    A misdemeanor of $1000 fine and 6 months in jail? How will this ban be enforced? If the deputy stops a car and sees a Styrofoam container in the car does the driver goes immediately to jail or just a ticket?

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    1. Styrofoam doesn't keep food hot anyway. It keeps it just warm and moist enough to maximize bacterial growth.

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  19. The ban is on Styrofoam take-out containers in restaurants, etc. It's like the plastic bag ban. Both are good environmental stewardship.

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  20. 10:36 HA! What a crock. At least three large areas of coastal sage in different parts of the city have been scraped clean down to the dirt. Where is the Council environmental stewardship for protection of the habitat.

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    1. 10:46 That has nothing to do with banning plastic bags and Styrofoam.

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  21. It has everything to do with banning plastic bags and Styrofoam. Big show for the public while the rest of the environment goes to hell.

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    1. For example, where in Encinitas?

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    2. Well the city screwed up that creek in Cardiff building the park, that cost us $350,000 in fines...

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    3. 10:38 A dry creek that was fed only by runoff from watering is the "rest of the environment"?

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  22. Leucadia Project - People don't seem to understand that the project does exactly what the development standards say. They are not asking for a variance or some special rights. Planning Commission rightly approved, and city council had to deny the appeal.

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    1. 7;48 AM
      Bull pies. Lies from the planning department.

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    2. Planning staff, the Planning Commission and Council all have some discretion in making some modifications to help preserve community character. The requests re the alleyway were reasonable and supported by existing residents.

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  23. Meanwhile as you idiots scream about plastic bags and styrofoam Gov Moonbeam is going to release another 30,000 hardened criminals, in addition to the 85,000 he's already released, onto the streets of California to steal, rob rape murder your families and friends. And you fools worry about styrofoam...good luck with that.

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    1. Maybe the new president will throw them all over his stupid wall.

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    2. Hardened criminals?

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    3. 8:49- Where do you think they learn real crime?? IN PRISON. Of course they are hardened, but while they are robbing your home, raping your daughter, I'm sure they check your frig for some Styrofoam containers then report you to the plastic police....

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    4. 11:19 Got evidence? Or are you just ranting your ignorant opinion?

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    5. Well 12:27, three law enforcement officers have been killed in the last 40 days here in SoCal by your buddy Jerry "I'm a moonbeam "Brown. He let those hardened criminals out of prison to kill. Nice to know you support cop killers. Douche Bag.

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    6. 1:18 Let's see the evidence.

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    7. 1:57- lets see the evidence that styrofoam causes global warming.

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    8. 8:59 No claim made here that Styrofoam causes global warming, so no need to show evidence.

      Claim made with no evidence, however, that Jerry Brown let hardened criminals out of prison who then killed three law enforcement officers.

      So far, all you've done is make a baseless charge.

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  24. when the two minute speaker clock expires, the mic should automatically cut out. A loud buzzer should sound, and a trap door at the lectern should pop open, dropping the speaker down a twisty slide onto a big cushy pad in the parking lot, near a giant flashing neon sign that says "We value your opinion. Thank you. Go home."

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    1. That accurately states how much the council values public input, but speakers waste three minutes of breath.

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  25. If Trump builds his wall, all immigrants who would have crossed west of New Mexico will instead land in Encinitas via panga boats.

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  26. America is headed to the bottom - the experiment is failing. The Chump will take us all down!

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  27. Kranz's actually had a BIG TIME DEVELOPER (Shea Homes) endorse his candidacy - check out his mailer - AND NOW YOUR SURPRISE!

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    1. Don't forget "you're"..... unless you meant - "and now here is your surprise".....

      yea - grammar, syntax and spelling aren't important.....

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    2. Please use "..." rather than "....."

      Also, do you know the difference between "yea" and "yeah"

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    3. 1041... 813 must be Julie G. She challenges everyone and is a self proclaimed college professor... but she doesn't get it. She also misses the point, occasionally. Just like me, don't understand the donation comment.

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    4. 8:13 is me - not Julie G.....

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    5. "[yea]" ok, Julie.

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  29. "Let's eat, Grandma!"

    "Let's eat Grandma!"

    Proper punctuation saves lives.

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    1. Grammar Ma's best attempt at humor yet.

      Whatever makes you happy Grammar Ma!

      I personally could give a shit if someone blogs with proper english writing skills.

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    2. 8:56 If you could give a shit, please do.

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  30. Payback time for the Encinitas Express Soccer Corp. The illegal use of diesel power lights on Leo Mullen field will be approved by Blakespear, Kranz, Muir, and Shaffer at the Council meeting on Nov. 16. Illegal is illegal.

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    1. How many complaints has the city received in the last ten years while the temporary lights were in use?

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  31. Blakespear's famous "It's the law" statement doesn't apply when she is paying back voters for their votes. Blakespear, Kranz, Muir, and Shaffer- crooked,crooked, elected council.

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    1. So much for the law issue anyway. No one is serving papers about Measure T defeat!

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    2. 10:49 also thinks Trump is a great President because nothing bad has happened yet.

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  32. 2:54 PM Trump is going to be a disaster. When he assumes power, protestors will likely be suppressed by force - given the green light by the Chump. He is putting the worst of the worst in positions of authority - the system is breaking down. Dark days lay ahead for America. The only bright side is that the Gaspars are banished!

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  33. 7:09. News for you, there are no protestors.

    CNN committed fraud on citizens by rigging the debate.
    The NY TIMES committed fraud on citizens giving Clinoon editorial oversight of articles and misrepresenting Clinton propaganda as "unbiased news"

    Politico, Abc, Cnn, Nbc, CBS all met with Clinton for a private dinner before announcing her campaign to discuss "messaging".

    The Democratic party was caught in video tape using organized paid agititutors to incite violence and manufacture news.

    The media working with the DNC ran the organized manufactured propaganda as "unbiased news" misleading citizens.

    Released emails show media personalities and the Clinton campaign wanted " to create an uninformed and compliant citizenry".

    There are no protestors. There are criminals, rioters, paid agitators that have beat white people supporting Trump in vicious hate crimes posted online. There are criminals looting and burning private property , intimidating citizens and threatening unsuspecting neighborhoods.

    More than 110 million people voted, there are maybe 3,000 agitators , criminals and rioters.

    The same media that lied, misled and misinformed citizens during the election, are misleading citizens now.

    8 years ago America elected a politican who came from a broken home, and had no private sector experience and had spent a life in politics.

    8 years later America elected the complete opposite, a career business man with no government experience.

    This is what makes america great. This is what we should celebrate, cherish. Every 4 years the citizens have a peaceful voice.

    What we should not celebrate or tolerate is dishonest journalism seeking to mislead and manufacture fear.

    Good news today the TPP trade deal opposed by Trump, Stein and Sanders is dead. TPP was supported by Obama, Clinton, Ryan, Cruz, Rubio, Bush, Soros and the Koch brothers. Thanks to the election, it is dead.

    yesterday Canada and Mexico said they were open to renegotiating NAFTA.

    Better days are here for American workers.

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    1. Don't count on it.

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    2. 7:40 is a total wacko.

      Hillary won the popular vote by a comfortable margin.

      The popular vote is the only one that should count.

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    3. 7:40 - it's OK...we can put another marshmallow in your coco...now try to rest....

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    4. Anyone who wants to think there are no protestors is in denial. It's useless to attempt to argue with irrationality and illogical rantings of someone with a closed mind.

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  34. "Hillary won the popular vote by a comfortable margin."

    your delusional. Both Suck. You all should have supported Ron Paul when you had the chance. America would be on the road to recovery instead of downward spiral.

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    1. And you, 9:00, are a moron who doesn't even know the difference between your and you're.

      "Hillary Clinton didn’t just win the popular vote. She won it by a substantial margin.

      "By the time all the ballots are counted, she seems likely to be ahead by more than 2 million votes and more than 1.5 percentage points, according to my Times colleague Nate Cohn. She will have won by a wider percentage margin than not only Al Gore in 2000 but also Richard Nixon in 1968 and John F. Kennedy in 1960."

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    2. who cares. She still part of the problem and enabled a rapist. What kind of women does that? Jackass.

      That is it. Find some grammar flaw loser. That is all your good at.

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    3. 9:00pm-- I know the difference. I just don't care about perfect writing on a bog. If you do, you have serious mental issues. Go seek help to find an internal peace.

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    4. 9:32

      Are you referring to the New York Times?

      The same New York times that defrauded readers by giving the Hillary Clinton campaign "editorial oversight" for 18 months, and then presented Clinton approved propaganda as "unbiased news"?

      Are you referring to the same NY times who told readers Trump could not win? To create an " uninformed

      True the vote- they predicted a Trump victory, and say Trump won 56% of the popular vote.

      Who sounds like a more trustworthy source- the NY times that rigged information, misled voters and is owned by billionaire, TPP supporting globalist mexican nationalist Carlos Slim, or a group of humble citizens calling themselves True the vote, who got it right?

      Any readers know how many electoral voted Donald Trump won?

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    5. 10:04 Feel free to display your ignorance here.

      Carlos Slim does not own the New York Times. He does own NYT stock, but the voting shares are controlled by the Sulzberger family.

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    6. I tried writing on a bog. It didn't work cause it was too wet, the keys jammed and I sank in.

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    7. Bog is Brit slang for toilet. 9:40 paints a picture.

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    8. 9:40 posted "I just don't care about perfect writing on a bog."

      So the picture he (assuming) painted is of him writing while sitting on a toilet, or is he writing on the porcelain itself, kind of like graffiti?

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  35. Let the games begin!

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  36. 7:48

    The infotainment personalies that were exposed for rigging debates, colluding with the Clinton Campqign and working with groups using paid agitators to manufacture propaganda are now reporting Hillary had more votes.

    These are the same elite media personalities who misled citizens saying a Trump victory was impossible.

    These infotainment personalities do not inform viewers that Candidate Trump was the candidate of choice in far more state elections than their candidate Clinton.

    The infotainment media won'the report that candidate Trump won far more electoral college votes than their candidate Clinton.

    How many of you reading this know how many electoral votes candidate Trump got? If you don't know it is worth asking why don't you know? The election ended 3 days ago.

    Who would trust corporate elite media that has lied before?

    Great day for amercian families. Jill Stein, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump all opposed the TransPacific Trade Partnership (TPP) because it would harm American workers and families.

    Candidate Clinton called TPP the gold standard. TPP was backed by Soros and the Koch brothers, as well as globalist bankers and wall Street. Bush, Clinton, Romney, Pelosi, Ryan, Reid all supported TPP.

    Today it is dead. 5 years in the making by insiders and cronies looking to exploit American workers by passing TPP, today TPP is is dead.

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    1. More from the total wacko.

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  37. Demo libs got what they deserved for hand picking a crooked old lady and shutting down they on party's votes. Bernie would have won. Clinton will always be a loser!!

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  38. Dirty Donna Brazile, head of the DNC, CNN info personality, sent Clinton the questions before the debate to screw Bernie.

    CNN then told viewers it was a debate, not Hillary Informercial.

    That is wacked!

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  39. As of a few hours ago, Clinton's popular vote lead is 395,050 votes.

    The popular vote is the only tally that should count. The electoral college is undemocratic and should be abolished.

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  40. The media chooses not to report on the size and scope of candidate Trump's victory. Candidate Trump was elected in more statewide elections. Candidate Trump won 306 electoral college votes to candidate Clinton's 232.

    More democrats voted for Trump then republicans voted for Clinton. More independents voted for Trump the voted for Clinton.

    Candidate Trump increased his vote totals with minorities and woman- the very groups the TV personalities told us he would lose.

    Candidate Trump won Florida, Penn, Wisconsin, Michigan -the very states the TV personalities and news papers said he would lose.

    There is no reason to believe CNN, ABC, CBS or other news outlets that were exposed as cheats and propagandists for one political party and the Clinton dmonarchy they helped create

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  41. As of 9:52 PST this morning, Clinton is ahead by 574,064 popular votes. That's the only vote total that should matter.

    The electoral college is undemocratic and should be abolished.

    One of the great things about the Web is that when somebody like 8:58 posts lies, the facts to refute them can be easily found.

    Now maybe 8:58 will tell us Trump will be a great president, as was George W. Bush.

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  42. President Elect Trump overwhelmingly won more statewide electons than Candidate Clinton.

    President Elect Trump won more Electoral votes than candidate Clinton.

    President Electric Trump won more votes from woman and minorities.

    George Bush was a horrible president. There is no difference between Bush and Clinton. They support open borders, bad trade deals harming American families. There is no difference between the Koch Brothers and Soros- they back candidates who want open borders and bad trade deals.


    President elect Trump defeated the Bush Cartel, President Elect defeated the Clinton Cartel, President Elect defeated the corrupt media owned by Soros and The Koch brothers.

    American voters rejected the racial and class politics of the last 8 years. Voters rejected the hate and intolerance of government finger pointing and blame.

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    1. I have a longing to watch CABARET or SOUND OF MUSIC right now.

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  43. 10:32

    A lead of 574,064 votes and growing. That puts the lie to your absurd claims.

    You and all the other people who got conned by Trump have some big surprises coming. You voted against your own interests, and the consequences are coming to crush you.

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    1. Ok snowflake shouldn't you be preparing for your nightly protest??

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    2. 11:46 Willful ignorance, stupidity and prejudice help no one.

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    3. President elect Trump won more states than Hillary Clinton won. You may not value, respect and honor the unique sovereignty of each state in the Union. Many others do. Perhaps like Hillary you support open borders.

      President elected Trump won 306 Electoral Votes , Hillary Clinton only had 232, Trump won by 30%.

      Mexico and Canada have already said they are open to renegotiating NAFTA. also TPP is dead.

      News out today there are riots and looting in Cleveland. Rioters are tweeting at #thesearenotmyworldserieschampions

      Cleveland Indians fans are rioting over the loss of the world series to the cubs while Chicago beat Clevland in 4 out of 7 games, offended Indians fans say the result isn't fair because both teams scored 27 runs in the 7 games.

      Regardless of the rules, and that the cubs followed the rules in winning, the Not my world series champion rioters are demanding to be co-champions.

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    4. As of this morning, Clinton has 630,877 votes more than Trump. The popular vote is the only count that should matter. The Electoral College is undemocratic. It disenfranchises voters. Governors, senators, representatives and other elected public officials are elected by a popular vote. Presidents should be too.

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  44. This short video summarizes the election of President Trump!
    https://youtu.be/kWQWTzyn06M

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  45. This just in -
    The density bonus law doesn't trump the local LCP.
    http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/B264434.PDF
    KALNEL GARDENS, LLC v. City of LA et al.

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    1. My read is Cal. Coastal Act has precedence over local statutes giving density and height bonuses for affordable housing. What am I missing 824? Please share...

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    2. When residents in Encinitas objected to density bonus development on the grounds of violating community character, they were right.
      A law firm (Goldfarb Lipman) has this information:
      "KALNEL GARDENS
      BACKGROUND AND HOLDING
      In Kalnel Gardens, a developer applied to the
      City of Los Angeles to construct a 15-unit
      housing project in Venice on a site within the
      coastal zone. The project included two units
      for very-low-income households, which,
      pursuant to the Density Bonus Act, entitled it
      to more units, greater height, and smaller
      setbacks than would otherwise be permitted on
      the project site under local regulations. The
      City denied the developer's application on the
      grounds that the project's height, mass, and
      scale were harmful to the surrounding
      neighborhood, and therefore violated the
      visual and scenic compatibility requirements
      of the City's local coastal program and the
      Coastal Act."

      The density bonus ordinance passed by the council and the two lawsuits settled by the council are illegal.

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    3. 11:14 In your expert legal opinion?

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    4. California Govt. Code, which includes Density Bonus law, usually states that projects must be compatible with local ordinances and General Plans, which GPs also include Local Coastal Programs (LCPs).

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    5. 1:48 Usually? What are the exceptions?

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  46. As is his custom, Thomas Roger Ogden revels in going where he knows he is reviled.

    Why has he chosen to grace our city with his hypocritical anti christian ranting? There is nothing christian in he and his automatons behavior.

    He should be banned from EU, now that his identity has been confirmed, thanks to some observant citizens who, all too easily recognized his hate speech patterns from all those antisemitic ravings he continues to post here on EU.

    The rot inside will have its day with him and his followers. That they claim to be christians while spouting their arrogant ignorant hate, only reaffirms the fact that their hypocrisy knows no limits.

    Christians indeed. Any real christian knows better. No, I am not of the tribe or any tribe, for that matter. The godliness is within each and every person. True faith comes from within and not from any exterior self-empowering attempts to sway the weak-minded.

    From Thomas Roger Ogdens point of view, any notice is welcomed. What a sad, sad hurtful life he has. He can revel is the support of his followers and spread his hate wherever he wants and is allowed. I can only wish he would go elsewhere. Our community deserves better than this to have to constantly be subject to is hate.

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    1. When do you have the book burning?

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    2. 3:46 - WHY won't you REPLY to my x-mas eve invitation to watch The Fidler on the Roof? You INGRATE!

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    3. Herr Ogden: The original name of the parade was the Saint Nicks Parade.

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  47. Only a demented mind like Thomas Roger Ogdens continues to claim that our Holiday Parade was changed because of the Jews.

    I remember that period well, and there was never a mention of a certain sects belief system that brought the name change on.

    It was made to be inclusive for many belief systems. In Rogers sick existence, there is no room for any belief but his own. We are so much better that I suppose his jealousy has to show in whatever form he has at hand.

    What a sad, sad life that he is unable to accept others beliefs as equal to his own.

    Accepting others, without feeling the need to change them, is the higher calling of evolution.

    Take the blinders off and have a rewarding life without persecuting others who feel differently, Thomas Roger Ogden.

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  48. This morning, Clinton's popular vote lead is 668,483.

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  49. This morning President Elect Trump has 308 Electoral Votes.

    Soundly defeating candidate Clinton, the Bush Cartel that opposed him, Soros and Koch Brothers, and a corrupt media that rigged debates.

    The citizens of the sovereign states that make up the United States exercised their rights and voted for President Elect Trump

    The citizens of each sovereign state held statewide elections allowing state citizens to participate in both State and Federal elections- two different elections.

    This morning the corrupt media that conspired to throw the election by rigging debates to benefit one continues to lie, mislead, and incite hate, racial strife and bullying.

    The liars and opponents of freedom have been exposed.

    American's rejected the politics of hate, racism, bullying, classism, sexism that the crooked media and many elected leaders have forced on citizens.

    Megyn Kelly has been exposed.
    Chris Wallace exposed
    George Stepalloverus - exposed
    Van Jones- exposed
    Glen Beck- exposed
    Don Lemon- exposed
    Chuck Todd-exposed
    Donna Brazile- exposed
    Wasserman Shults- exposed
    Rachel Maddow-exposed
    Bill Maher- exposed
    Martha Raddiz- exposed



    It's a new day. Our country spirit is not to be victims but to succeed. All American's are capable of succeeding, of winning, of being great!

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    1. GREAT Herr Ogden! Now go back to your Sean Hannity blow-up doll.

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    2. 10:35 is a delusional moron.

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    3. All Americans are capable of learning how to spell!

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  50. 1:20

    CNN Donna Brazil gave Clinton the debate questions before the debate, CNN then presented the rigged debate to 33 million American's.

    Van Jones works for CNN, Van Jones is a racist, a bigot and traffics in hate. President Elect Trump secured the votes of blacks. While Hillary Clinton was using black millionaire JAY Z in hopes of gaining votes , Trump was meeting with black church leaders in Detroit and Flint- that is why he won Michigan- because he cared.

    Wasserman Shultz colluded with the media to defraud Bernie Sanders voters and rig the primaries- it is why she was fired as head of the DNC- at the convention.

    Yes, the media is crooked. They lied to citizens to benefit one political party. They are self-seeking propagandist.

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    1. 1:20 You just described Breitbart perfectly.

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  51. When wacko fringe nut groups toss you out, because you bring the crazy to another level.

    http://www.tedhayes.us/Tea_Party_Message_Jeff_Schwilk.htm

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  52. 8:12 / 8:31

    You have offered no information to rebut the post of 10:00 pm.

    Name calling is bullying, and intolerant.

    If you believe CNN and Donna Brazile did not commit fraud by rigging the debate, and then presenting the rigged debate to 33 million American viewers as "honest", please post your facts.

    If you believe Van Jones, who ignored the fact that the Trump campaign increased votes in the black community, and who said the only reason Trump won was "white-lash", a racist derogatory term directed to people of a certain color- explain why?

    If you believe Debbie Wasserman Shutlz, head of the Democrat Party who was caught colluding with the media to rig the primary and defraud Bernie Sanders voters, and who was fired from her job, is honest- and not crooked, explain why?

    Opponents of freedom throughout history have relied on a crooked press to misinform and mislead the citizens.

    Presenting rigged debates is fraud.
    Presenting articles written by the candidates PR team, and telling the public it is "news" is misinformation.
    Using race, class and gender to incite hate while ignoring facts that prove otherwise is misleading.

    Name calling is simply another tool used by those who prefer to ignore the truth.

    The media is about hate, intolerance, bullying and lies.

    Case in point- people burning stores, looting, dragging white people from cars and beating them based on their skin color and politics are not protestors- they are criminals, and include hate crimes.

    The same media that lied during the past 24 months continues to lie now.

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    1. Name calling? Crooked Hillary, Lying Ted.

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    2. 9:17 Have you ever had an original thought?

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  53. 30 years ago, a young Tomas R. Ogden of San Diego showed such promise.

    He even got a patent for creating a tough aluminum coating that was effective at conducting heat. Of course, he didn't own the patent. His employer, the US Navy did.

    Sadly, the patent turned out to be worthless, and Uncle Sam let it lapse by not paying a small maintenance fee just four years later. Young Thomas R. Ogden must have been disappointed. He never invented anything again.

    Perhaps this offers a window into his profound sadness, anger, and impotence.

    http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US4822458.pdf

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