In February, controversial former Sierra Madre Councilman Joe Mosca applied for the Parks & Rec Commission.
Last night, the City Council appointed Mosca to fill a vacancy on the commission.
Judging by his past and his political affiliations, Mosca will run for City Council, and he'll align with the Barthist "Smart Growther" faction on the council.
More on Mosca's history at Sierra Madre Tattler.
I would note this: The guy who runs the Tattler is obsessed with Mosca, I mean it goes on and on about how he hates this guy. I've watched the meetings, read up independently. hard to say what Mosca's bonifides are or are not. Sierra Madre is an extremely small town near Pasadena where people get inflamed over a new restaurant opening. I think you need to judge for yourself on Mosca with what he does here, not on the say so of a total crank like the guy who runs the Tattler, who BTW, is a failed candidate for city council.
ReplyDeleteHere's another name, William Morrison. Look for him to run. Got that from this blog...
You don't have to believe what you learn from the Tattler. You'll see yourselves what kind of integrity Mosca has. Good luck.
DeleteI guess The Tattler was as obsessed with Mosca as this blog is obsessed with Stocks? Sometimes there are things that just have to be discussed.
Delete8:42 nailed it.
DeleteHow obsessively must one Google Mosca's name to find, read and comment on this thread within 45 minutes of it being created?
Dude sounds like a stalker.
I'm not saying Mosca is good or bad. Just saying I'll make up my own mind based on first hand observation.
8:42 and 10:04 the same person posting...clearly drumming up fake support for Mosca and sounding oddly like the new pro-developer voice on EU. Mosca's behavior caught on video is bad enough, judge with your own ears and eyes, folks.
DeleteThere's a whole lot more people than the blog's author who were betrayed by Joe Mosca.
Delete9:18 tell us more....
Deleteand I was 8:42, and I didn't post at 9:18. Enough with your conspiracy mindset. I want to know more about the guy from an independent source, as should you....
DeleteJerome Stocks got his start in government as an appointed Parks and Rec commissioner.
ReplyDelete*********shudder*********
DeleteThanks Joe.
ReplyDeleteSo an LA guy comes to Encinitas and is going to tell us how to run our city??? Go away!! We are doing a great job of running our city into the ground, we don't need no stinking LA boy....
ReplyDeleteGet a clue people. The Commissioners, with the exception of the Planning Commission, have no power, especially Parks and Rec. They were not allowed to do one thing on the huge park, nor were they allowed to do much of anything. The not so new director, Lisa, won't stand for it. Don't worry, he'll find this out fast enough.
ReplyDeleteNo matter how low the position is now, the guy was put in for a reason.
Delete10:01 AM
DeleteThe clue is there. It's the title that's used in elections. Hi, I was on the Parks and Rec commission. I was a commissioner.
10:46 is absolutely right. Mosca will run for council. The Parks & Rec gig is just to meet and greet the folks. Watch him work the seniors.
DeleteWhen Mosca left the council chambers, a small group of obstructionist lured him over to "congratulate" him. He seemed nervous, said a few words, and quickly left.
DeleteHe definitely needs to be watched. All 28 obstructionists will be watching.
How did that work for Lorri Greene and Doug Long? I rest my case.
ReplyDeleteHe'll be watched. The 28 has grown significantly in number and are not afraid to publicly shame (sorry, Lisa!) as often as needed. Existing information alone will be very useful when the time comes.
ReplyDeletePlease oh please will one - just one - of the (ever expanding) 28 please run for city council?!?!?!?!?
ReplyDelete- The Sculpin
How's about you, Sculp? You ha e as much (if not more) to say than just about anyone. Point that finger in the mirror, why don't you?
DeleteI believe two official members of The 28 ran last year (but lost).
DeleteSheila and Julie I believe. Hold on to your hats, I think there will be some somewhat familiar faces in the race come next year...
DeleteYes they did. That would be Sheila Cameron and Julie Graboi. It takes a lot of money to run a city council race in this City. About 20-30K at least. If you don't have the backing of some wealthy donars, you will lose. Lerch spent 20K only a few weeks before the election and almost won, with his slick, glossy mailers. There are a lot of folks out there that don't have that kind of money, including Graboi and Cameron. How many of you pitched in? That's why the 28 plus cannot win. It's great to complain, but I don't see any PAC money coming from the people who want the City to maintain its Community Character. Especially up against the money Ecke, Mayer, Harwood, and Gaspar has. The only person who could possibly win is Lorri Greene, but you all seem to think she is crazy. However, she has the money and the influence that some of you don't even know. I asked her to run, and she said NO. Don't know if she could be persuaded, and of course, on this blog, would harass her for no particular good reason. Oh yes, I remember. You didn't like what she said about Jerome. talk about hypocrits. I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. She was on Parks and Rec. for 5 years and does know where the bodies are buried (besides Sabine that is).
ReplyDeleteTony and Lisa won without the big money, and others have in the past as well. I like Dr. Lorri, but I can't see her A.) Running B.) winning. There are some other folks out there who could run and win. Who thought Blakespeare would run and win? Keep and open mind and be ready to work hard as usual. The forces of darkness will always have more money....
DeleteKranz, Shaffer, and Blakespear all had Democratic Party endorsements and mailers.
DeleteIt's been a long time since anyone has won without a major party endorsement. And the major parties don't like outsiders.
The endorsement is, was and always will be key, because they have some cash to help with mailers. Let's face, most people's information on the election is that mailer or and endorsement from the party they know. Catherine definitely had some oomph behind her, as did Lerch, who almost got there despite finishing last. This isn't about skill, it's about who you know and who you can get to fund you. In the old days we could pull one out with good old hustle, but those days are gone. It's basically down to hoping you get a Holz, not a Guerin....
DeleteI meant despite starting late. the point is, money and backing talk. Ask Julie, she didn't have much of either, despite her plusses...
DeleteI like Joe better than Lisa because at least he comes with a warning label.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget. Lisa pretended to support the same things that the obstructionists do. She took our money and other resources and then betrayed us. The fact that Kristen and Lisa both supported Joe last night was enough to tell me who he is.
Carpet baggers slip into Barter Town. They smell MONEY!
ReplyDeleteThis is vintage Mosca - he never does anything; it's always done to him.
ReplyDeleteHe's stalked, he's persecuted, he's the object of obsession, while all the while he is simply a sweet little tyke wanting to do good things for villages that he loves.
It's so funny that he's into the hiking trails - one of his cringeworthy acts to get elected in Sierra Madre was to borrow a friend's golden retriever for a photo op that was used heavily on his campaign material. He talked about hiking here, too.
So this is someone from Sierra Madre talking? Things must be really slow up there for you to want to post here. Please post some specific positions or actions with some links instead of just the usual anonymous stuff. Clearly some people up there didn't like him, but hey, that's politics. He has to prove himself here....
DeleteWhen a councilman turns on the people who got him elected to the degree that Mosca did, the interest in getting the truth out about him doesn't die down just because he bails. The guy is a liar. Since you don't seem to like the Tattler, skip the articles and read the comments about Mosca. Look at the films on Neuroblast. Watch Joe in action. But better yet, you're right - wait and see what he does to your town.
DeleteOh, Sierra Madre loves to gossip about Joe Mosca. You should hear some of the speculation about why he suddenly resigned his City Council seat midterm and left the country. He'll sell Encinitas out in a heartbeat. You just wait and see!!
DeleteWhat people, let's have some names and instances, not just 2nd hand he said she said. Come on, you're out of town, lay it out there. I have no issue with the Tattler, but clearly the guy hates Mosca, so much he has no perspective. I read the comments, pretty similar here to Jerome Stocks.
DeleteI ask you flat out, what did he do to Sierra Madre. Bullet points or links. happy to read it if there is something approaching a fact...I've seen those city council meetings, there's a lot of personal mudslinging, which sadly is similar to Encinitas...
Somebody explain to 8:54 how to use the link Encinitas Undercover provided this morning.
DeleteDalager and his dog - that was his last campaign flyer. I think it was the dog that got the votes.
DeleteI've already read all the stuff at the link, your highness. My point remains, if you're going to deal dirt on Mosca, be specific. Don't use crybaby stuff about abandonment of his followers. Talk about the issues he abandoned them on, specifically. Is that too much to ask? For me, I judge him on what I see in front of me in Encinitas from here on in...
ReplyDeleteFYI guys, Sierra Madre is a tiny town of rich people next to Pasadena. It's like 10,000 people. Encinitas is 60,,000+ In sierra Madre, they argue about where to park a bike. It's known for being a tempest in a teapot. I'd be careful about drawing any conclusions from all the bickering over there in the past. I give Mosca a shot based on what he does down here. And FYI, I grew up in that area.
ReplyDeleteLet's consider sources here: the Sierra Madre "crybabies" sound an awful lot like our 28 Gus-identified activists.
ReplyDeleteThe Mosca apologists/"aw shucks, give the guy a chance" folks sound an awful lot like Stocks/Gaspar/Meyer defenders.
Based on his Sierra Madre behavior, I don't think I want Mosca to have "a shot" at my city.
Got it.
DeleteYou don't need "information" to form opinions of people. Just what group you imagine people "sound like."
Well played, sir.
8:12 is a hack.
ReplyDelete2:30 is a taxi driver. If you have the dirt on Mosca, post it, that's all I'm saying. Because no one in the political world gives a rat's rump about Sierra Madre...
ReplyDeleteAnd I find it hilarious that there's a comparison of my comments with those who defend Stocks, I've spent 20 years opposing Bond, Stocks etc. I'm just saying, either show us with some background where Mosca has failed in the past, or at least alienated people, or give him a chance.
ReplyDeleteI have no love for the guy, I don't even know him, I just don't believe in trying someone in the land of anonymous comments unless you back it up. It's called doing some legwork, not being lazy, and having the capacity to do some critical thinking. Santa Maria, people...
OMG, try starting with the Joe's top ten video that EU posted above, then come back and tell us about how there's no back up. You don't have to take the tattler's word for it, go argue with your own eyes and ears. Don't want to look? I'd have to call you lazy.
DeleteI've seen it. But I would argue you're blankly agreeing with what is implied in the initial blog post, ie Mosca sucks, hate Mosca. Be a hater.
DeleteMake no mistake, I have no great longing for this guy to run. I think we can do better, but I think we can do better on most of our elected officials. The only real solid person I think we've had in 20 years is Dennis Holz.
But to sit here and take some crank in Sierra Madre's word because he's one of WC's fellow Libertarians? not worth the ink....
FYI, here's the guy behind the Tattler, who's not without his detractors.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sierramadreweekly.com/current-news/%E2%80%98net-nanny%E2%80%99candidate-john-crawford-may-cancel-caustic-blog-comments-%E2%80%93-tells-disciples-to-rant-elsewhere/
Yes, those who call foul on their cities' elected representatives often do have detractors. Funny, that.
DeleteBlogs belong to people who usually have a point of view. They are free to express those views and control their blog boards as they wish. Did you not realize that?
Talk about no "there" there.
So you just blindly believe everything he says, free of any critical thought? He has every right to say what he wants about Mosca, and clearly has.
DeleteThe question is, should you believe everything he says (some people on here seem to) or should you do your own research, exercise your own thinking ability and form your own opinion.
Sounds like you might want to just suck up what this guy is saying hook line and sinker.
I prefer to judge Mosca on what he does and doesn't do here, that's all.
Ah, so you think he's going to have a complete change of philosophy and personality. Do you really believe that, 9:59?
DeleteWhat is his philosophy and what's his personality? We're having a discussion in the abstract. For me, he's probably too liberal fiscally, if I had to guess, without looking at his voting record. personality, I can't tell, what are we guessing, he's too Wishy-washy, too barthian, too fill in the blank?
DeleteAs of now, he's not running, but if he does, I'll look at what he proposes and go from there. I'm just not going for the hook and sinker from some cranky blogger from out of town. Must of the stuff on that blog is just tit for tat, axe grinder personal stuff. Hmm, sounds like a town I know where people talk about how they got their house or whether they're a trust funder.
Grow up and vote on issues, not something handed to you from the blogosphere. Now will I get a reasoned response, or more of the same empty nonsense? It's in your court, see if you can up your game...
Obviously there is some dude trying to denigrate those who criticize Joe Mosca. They only question I have is "Why?" Why would anyone give a shit about this guy? He's not even from here.
ReplyDeleteJudge him on his own merits, not what someone from another city tells you.
DeleteSounds very Orwellian. Joe Mosca, the man who no longer has a past.
DeleteNo past would be a much more convenient truth for some, apparently.
DeleteAnd to 10:01, for the umpteenth time: watch his videos. Judge him on his own merits and keep in mind that tigers do not change their stripes.
I've watched the videos, he's not really my kind of politician, but if he runs, I'll look at what he proposes and decide then. Right now, he's not a candidate, so it doesn't matter. Just for the record, since you're so convinced, what's your takeaway on what he stands for? For me, he's too much of a classic liberal, but that's nothing new...
DeleteWhat 10:11 said, 10:06.
DeleteYou're missing the point.......
DeleteI really don't think so. I don't have to have personally traveled to the moon to believe we went there.
DeleteWe didn't, ask OJ....
DeleteIt's astonishing that some commenting on Mosca say his history and reputation don't matter.
ReplyDeleteReally?
What is his history, exactly? I defy you to find any information on there that specifically details his shortcomings?
DeletePersonally, I have other candidates that I'm already hearing about that I'd be interested in, and yes, local people, but I'm not going to just swallow hook, line and sinker that's he's the great satan.
If you'll buy that, you'll buy Rick Caruso looking out for Carlsbad's best interests......
You are blindly ignoring all the information on the Tattler blog. You assume it is 100% is incorrect and refuse to even consider its veracity. You criticize blogs, yet you take the time to post. Why are you wasting your time here with your Anonymous posts? There is something very insincere about your comments. They sound more like a defense of Mosca rather than an independent assessment. That would require examining all the evidence, starting with the Tattler and then going to all the local surrounding newspapers. And most of all it requires looking at the unedited videos of the council meetings. You've got your homework to do. Don't put it on others.
DeleteHey 2:02, 3:37 caught you with your pants down around your ankles!
DeleteHey asshat, I watched it all a year ago when WC initially posted all the links. I could ask you the same thing about why you're wasting time replying to my posts.
DeleteThere's nothing insincere about my posts. My posts are less about Mosca, than it is about convicting someone by use of anonymous posts.
I looked at the Pasadena Star News, the Sierra Madre Weekly, the LA Times etc? What papers did you look at? I watched the youtube footage of the council meetings.
Apparently I didn't see what you saw. Mosca apparently resigned to move with his Partner to London, more concrete examples than that I couldn't find. The rest was the usual whining and moaning over "the mayoral rotation" and other minor issues.
I'm from that area, Sierra Madre is a small ass town, nothing happens there, period. They argue over house remodeling, widening a street and other important topics. There are no malls or new developments in Sierra Madre.
Just because I don't share your lockstep hatred of Mosca doesn't make my opinion less valid. Go on hating him, I'm going to be working with other community members to find good candidates to run for office, the same way I've been doing it for the last 20 years.
I await your learned response...
-Tattling on the Tattler...
Hello 7:04AM-- If you looked at the news sources you cite in Para. 3, you would have seen 'concrete examples'. Like this one: papers were filed to recall Joe Mosca. People who worked on his campaign, people who voted for him, wanted to kick him out of office. And they would have done just that if he hadn't left town so sudden-like.
DeleteHatred wasn't the reason given on these formal documents. Lying to voters and betraying his supporters were key factors. We also didn't appreciate his public disrespect for public comment speakers at Council meetings. That should make Encinitas voters think carefully about this candidate.
And where exactly are you from, by the way? If you think a mall in the heart of Sierra Madre is a good idea, I really have to question your judgement. And we don't like you calling us a small-ass town, either. It's not like Encinitas is New York City.
2:02 - "What is history exactly?"
ReplyDeleteWhat is stupid self-serving bullshit, exactly?
I don't know, you tell me genius, you seem to have all the answers on Mosca. Apparently you grew up with him....
ReplyDeleteHow you all have gotten in a lather about nothing is comical. The only thing we know as far as Encinitas is concerned is the council appointed Mosca to the Parks & Rec Commission. You really need to step back and take a breath. Do you really need to invent issues to fuel your rage? Who knows whether Mosca will run for council and until he announces, who cares.
ReplyDelete12:23 PM -- You seem to care. Why such a strong defense of Mosca?
ReplyDelete2:18 PM
Delete" Why such a strong defense of Mosca?" Are you serious? Not only am I not strongly defending Mosca, I'm not defending him at all. Right now I don't care about him unless he does something notable on the Parks & Rec Commission (good or bad) or he announces a candidacy council.
That was my whole point. At this point in time I don't care about him one way or the other. Period.
2:55 PM I meant "a candidacy for council"
DeleteWho cares about Mosca when Encinitas is now controlled by corrupt
ReplyDelete'progressives' in City Council. The fruit tree escapade, plastic bag ban
and then the school purchase. "Corruption by the Sea" makes for a great
bumper sticker,ya think? Mosca is just one more thing. And no mention of
Kranz's nefarious vote/actions ! I shop in Carlsbad now. No more Encinitas.
And I've loved living in this town...but no mas. Boycott Encinitas. Throw 'em out.