Wednesday, May 7, 2014

5/7/14 Special City Council Meeting Open Thread

The current city council has continued prior councils' practice of not providing written summary minutes of council discussion, but only "action minutes" which state the outcomes. Encinitas Undercover will provide a forum for observers to record what occurs at each council meeting.

Please use the comments to record your observations.

On tonight's agenda: "Community Planning."

Plus: rumors of a suprise Special Guest!

Note that it's at the Senior Center at 1140 Oakcrest Park Drive, and probably won't be televised.

119 comments:

  1. unbelievable - not televised, the secret council and hoodwinking of the public continues- tonights menu- Stack and Pack with a side of unsustainable high density

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  2. Assholes. No TV??
    Come on Lynn kick their asses.
    ( can't believe I'm rooting for Lynn, always a first time).

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  3. Young people want to slow down and engage in urban farming - who knew? They'll earn how much? Live where?

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  4. While not live it is being filmed and recorded so you will be able to view it most likely on Friday.

    The Community Center was chosen for these workshops or stratigery planning meetings to allow for more public participation. There were four citizens who showed up for the last one. Not sure how many will be there tonight.

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    1. thats the canned reason…. the real reason, was they did not want the public to speak… thats why they make them sit thru 3 hours of BS before they get 2 minutes and 59 secs to speak.

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  5. This will be a smart growth fest with Barth and SANDAG blabbing for hours about how wonderful it is to live in chicken cages next to a transportation corridors with proximity to goods and services. This is the UN agenda and ICLEI BS. They have all been brainwashed.
    I was driving down 405 last night and they had several electronic billboard signs above the freeway:"Extreme drought condition, conserve water". In that context is any growth smart growth?

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    1. smart growth… would be to halt new development and stop issuing all new water meters.

      What they are pushing for is high density development. Not the reason most of us chose to live in Encinintas. If we did, we would like in La Jolla.

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    2. Maybe Barth went to sleep next to one of those body snatcher cacoons???

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  6. Coukd easily have fit at city hall. Hey look, Norby's here! Talk about a usual suspect.

    Now we're hearing about a "parking toolbox" - we're cutting back on driving - are you? We're all more transit-oriented -aren't you? Pricing strategies next.

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    1. Norby's plan was to put a 5 story parking garage at the old Graphics building across from VG donut. TO push his plan Norby organized the main street associations to act like they cared about the community. Norby then told some say told untruths before the council-

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    2. You mean lies ;)

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    3. Talk about blight, wow. That corner shopping center where VG Donuts is looks like the worst leftover from 1950s strip mall architecture.

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    4. My friend at Good Morning calls it "Downtown Cardiff" and a few hundred feet away where Seaside Market is he calls it "Uptown Cardiff".

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    5. I am definitely cutting down on driving… I hope you are as well.

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    6. 11:02-

      you can have your opinion - but riddle me this Einstein- thousands of people come from thousands of miles away ever year to go where - right jack circle to go to VG donouts- to get Cardiff as it is, not as you want it to be, Go get your latte up at Moonlight lofts with your gucci loafers and will keep cardiff the way it is.

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    7. The VG's mall is one of the ugliest in town. Let's hope the guy that owns the Surfy Surfy building buys it and fixes it and make it look nice.

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    8. As long as Kevin Anderson's murals stay!

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    9. The VG's lot should be declared a historic sight. Long live the Office! There are only two dive bars left to go to on the strip and their both in Cardiff. Unless you count the VFW.

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  7. Parking strategies for smart growth.

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  8. Parking strategy for smart growth is that you drive around your neighborhood trying to find a spot to park because you have 3 cars in your household and you have one one dedicated parking spot for you in your apartment complex.

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    1. Not according to the city: we're giving up our cars, didn't you hear?

      Bizarrely, the cars need to move out of town to make room for more business. Huh? How do people get to these businesses? Oh, that's right: on foot or by bike. Because we're all giving up our cars!

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    2. Too bad there isn't that many jobs in Encinitas. For 30 years I have been commuting to Sorrento Valley, Carlsbad, and Vista. That's where the jobs are.
      I think I am going to get a mule to commute. It will make for great fertilizer. Maybe some city employee can have the job of picking up after my mule to fertilize the community gardens that Barth dream about.

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    3. Teresa, Lisa and Tony do not understand the city's economy.

      The property taxes that fund 80% of the city budget come from people who drive out of town to work, then bring the money back to Encinitas. Just plain foolish planning for no cars. No cars means no budget. Period. The largest businesses in Encinitas are the City and school districts: but I guess when the State pension group sends you a check every month you have a hard time understanding that your way of saving the world (Banning parking, driving, asking Sandag for millions to underwrite trams that run on vegetable oil that no one will ride) guarantees only one thing, bankruptcy.

      Lisa's ideas are childish.

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    4. General Fund Revenue 2013-14:
      Property taxes: 60.9%
      Sales taxes: 21.4%
      Total: 82.3%

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    5. And how much was spent on salaries and pensions?? Leaving how much for road repair, trees flowers, lighting, etc etc etc??

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    6. Muir burps - $179K/yr for life - MORE TAXES !!!

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  9. Oh, and Leichtag sitting and comparing notes with Norby.

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    1. Norby works for them.

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    2. Leichtag the idiot who doesn't know GASpar is not Mayor Elect. You are the company you keep.

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    3. Norby works for everyone except residents.

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  10. Gaspar asking about putting in smart parking meetings - get ready! Save yer change, yer gonna need it, lots of it!

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    1. Let's put smart parking meters at all the places GASpar frequents, including her nail and pedicure salon. Make her pay.

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    2. Make the council members houses a park and ride. Then make them buy a parking permit to park in front of their own house.

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    3. I support adding parking meters. Visitors need to pay for beach up keeping and those massive 8 million spent at Moonlight beach.

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    4. The only way they won't apply to residents is if you get a parking pass - also proposed.

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  11. Murphy claiming his dept has no time to do their jobs, suggested another consultant. That's his stock answer for everything. Guess they're too bending over backward for developers.

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    1. Read that they're too busy bending!

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  12. Lisa proposes we go "from greenhouses to green houses.". Say bye-bye to the ag land, hello to high density.

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    1. She's an idiot. Pie in the sky world of academia never met a tax or reason that if we just throw more money at it the problem will be solved.
      She's s disgrace. Shame on the voters for electing her.

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    2. I didn't vote for Shaffer. She didn't look quite right to me. Now I know why.

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    3. Academics are the high end of welfare - they are tax parasites, who live in their fantasy world of the Ivory Tower. Shaffer is worthless - she is already dead in the water as a council person.
      I guess in the desperation to Dump $tock$, they looked good in the rosey glasses - a major mistake!!!

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  13. Watch out New Encinitas! Councilman Kranz wants a specific plan for the El Camino Real business area. That means stack and pack condos, apartments over businesses. It will be just like the old days in New York city. Councilman Kranz and Mike Andreen are best buds?

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    1. if this is true, New Encinitas will go crazy. I need to hear this. Kranz is starting to sound like a real backstabber.
      Mike Andreen is a real slimy character. Anybody associated with him has a credibility problem.

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    2. Is Kranz buddying up to Assdream?

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  14. Such idiots....

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  15. If I ever hinted in my job that I did not have time to do as I was directed, I would not have a job. How does city staff get away with this crap? Bunch of lazy A-holes. How many employees does it take to change a light bulb? Apparently, too many. Better hire a consultant. Garbage!

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  16. The El Camino Real Main Street Association. Dedicated to preserving historic sites like Wiegand Plaza. How much subsidy should the City give it?

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    1. Wish and plaza a historic site??? Horseshit, it's a glorified strip mall.

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    2. Big honcho Mike Andreen has to keep up his bogus east of the freeway chamber of commerce. Gaspar and Kranz want to give city money to him for his business "organization".

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    3. Geez… did Kranz really want to give money to Andreen?

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    4. The Gaspar's Paul and Kristin are buddy buddy with the Terramar PRoperties group in Carlsbad.

      In an example of croniysim Gaspar appointed the CEO of Terramar to the ERAC. Then just 2 weeks ago Gaspar voted in favor of a Terramar development in Cardiff-
      Soon look for Terramar- that bought the Trader Joe's complex for near $70million just before being appointed to ERAC- to propose a high density transit village at Trader Joe


      hmmm Maybe that is why Gaspar LIED on the Prop A ballot statement

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    5. Encinitas is looking more like Bell all the time!

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  17. Downtown Encinitas Main Street Association will soon be kicked out of the National Main Street Association. The planning department is recommending the destruction of older buildings in the commercial district to be replaced with residential condos with a little commercial on the street level. The planning commission approves of replacing the downtown commercial business district with residential condos.

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    1. 9:16

      I drove up South Sierra and turned east to head to 101. On the now quiet open space corner where there is a small bike shop and coffee shop next to CVS their are huge story poles for a lot line to lot line building that will destroy the open space, destroy existing community characther, increase traffic and increase pollution- the Solana Beach council and supervisor Dave Roberts and SANDAG and UN Agenda 21 call this ' sustainable' it is BS.

      Sol Beach residents fought a similiar project profiled in the Coast News last week and their council told them to stick it-


      Prop A is currentl the saving grace in Encinitas-

      Barth, Gaspar, Muir, Shaffer and Kranz - the liars on Prop A ballot statement- must be held accountable by each of us telling our neighbors what they plan to do

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  18. Money to the New Encinitas Network and buffoon Andreen. This is despicable!

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  19. Global warming is a myth, and Obama was born in Kenya.

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    1. 9:51 you are correct on point one. On the second point, from the information that became available after the election I think you are correct also. I voted for Obama and sent him money in 2008. THE press never reported the truth about his heritage, his ideologies and ties to Saul Alinsky or his belief in racists ideology called Critical Race Theory that puts one race above another and is taught at Harvard by Dr. Olgletree-

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    2. The sun orbits the earth. It's obvious. You can see it everyday except when it's overcast and raining. Neil Armstrong never stepped onto the moon. The landing was faked in a studio in Arizona. Charles Darwin was a hack. There's no such thing as evolution. Serious people are beginning to question the existence of gravity. It's probably another hoax perpetrated on an unsuspecting public by the rich and the governments who control the world at everybody else's expense. The sky can't be falling even if Chicken Little says it is because gravity doesn't really exist.

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    3. 10:28 whatcha smokin?

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    4. 10:28 - Fact- I needed my birth certifcate for my passport. I went to the state house in my home state and got a copy that day - no big deal, no big drama- done. So why couldn't Obama get his? Why the "certificate of live birth?- ? Facts are facts brother - oh yea, before you go calling me a racist keep in mind I voted for Obama.

      No comment on Obama's indoctrionation into the ideology of critical race theory with Prof Olgetree that the press refused to report on?

      No comment on Obama's ties to the terrorist Bill Ayers and the Communist Underground network in Chicago that the press refused to report on?

      Gee- how does a kid going to Occidental with mediocre grades and no work ethic (by his own admission in his book with Choom Gang) wind up at Harvard?

      Serious reasonable people ask reasonable questions- Comrad's stick their head in the sand down at San Elijo state beach.........I won't be joining you

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    5. Here we have why the Republican party is in trouble to remain relevant in national elections.

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    6. Correct, Obama was the spawn of the devil and a witch doctress in Kenya. Then they smuggled him as an infant to Honolulu and faked birth notices in the local papers because they knew years hence he would get into politics and become president.

      The birth cert produced by the state of Hawaii was faked by Sen. Inouye with the one arm he had left after losing the other in WWII and receiving the Medal of Honor. Because Inouye was from Hawaii and a person of color, he was ideal to conspire with Obama to make it appear that Obama was actually born there. Of course, as you know, Donald Trump proved all this during his serious investigation into Obama's true origins.

      Yes, Obama is certainly a terrorist. The proof is he killed Osama, differing by only one letter from Obama. More proof is that he created the Affordable Care Act, which is obviously a terrorist tool that aims to kill massive numbers of Americans by requiring they carry health insurance that will enable mass inoculations of subversive drugs designed to convert the populace to Islam.

      All this is true. You can look it up. But wait till the surf goes flat or blows out cause surfing is a lot more fun and should precede proving conspiracies — as if conspiracies really need proving. Their proof is self-evident because they exist.

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    7. 12:05 you really are a peice of work- or maybe you have trouble reading or comprehending- both taught in 5th grade. I voted for Obama- that is how relevant my point is. Why can I walk into my statehouse and get my birth certificate in a day - and it takes Obama 4 years to produce s 'certificate of live birth'?

      Looking forward to your answer- oh wait, you'll probably call me a racist rather then answer my question-

      jeez- still no comment on Obama's study and indoctrination into the ideology of Critical Race Theory taught by Prof Olgetree at Harvard? Why, are you afraid to explore this, not interested in sharing with the public what Critical Race Theory is and why it matters to President Obama and Eric Holder?

      Again dipwit- I voted for Obama, and Feinstein as well

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    8. 12:08 thanks for the lies

      Now can you answer factually- why is it I can walk into my statehouse and get a birth certificte that day but President Obama can't?

      How is it a midding uninspired student who could only get into Occidental manages to get in harvard?

      What is Critical Race Theory and why doe Obama believe in it? How has it shaped Obama's failing policies and judical appointments?

      Hey, while you are explaining away any insight on why Obama lied to the Encinitas Family who's son was murdered in an act of war by AQ Islamic Jihadists in Libya? oh right, it was a video, and if you like your plan you can keep your plan.

      I voted for Obama, ok, now call me a racist cause you have no facts.

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    9. Feinstein's basically a Republican, she supported the war, so you get no points there, or for voting for Obama. Man up and quit weasling on your vote. You voted for the guy, now you don't like him, that's fine, but quit looking for excuses. The Bill Ayers stuff, the Kenyan stuff was all out there well before the election. So was the Columbia stuff.

      All this conspiracy crap started with Clinton (Whitewater, Vince Foster) passed over to Bush (Air National Guard, drinking) and then to Obama (Bill Ayers, birth cert. and more) thanks to the rise of the internet, the retraction of the fairness doctrine on radio and the rapid change of work in our society due to globalization, information flow and automation. In short, people can't handle change that fast...

      You do yourself no favors by trumpeting these easily refuted claims from the interent and other sources. And get over your feelings about being called a racist, that's all in your mind. Only you know in your heart if you're a racist or not, the rest of us don't care.

      What we do care about is bringing in these global theories into the discussion of Encinitas. In a city that can't even get the streets paved, it's not really helping us to have these machiavellian conspiracy theories about Teresa Barth etc on housing, ICLEI, Agenda 21.

      I mean, which is it, she and the rest of them are black hats under an overaching UN domination scheme, or they're a bunch of idiots that can't figure out how to run a meeting? You can't have it both ways...In short, give it a rest on the conspiracies, let's stick to how to pull this town out of the muck.....

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    10. 4:00 you can always tell a bulshitter by their lacks of facts and attempts to distort the truth- Feinstein is a republican, she voted for teh way- so did Biden so did Clinton- you lose, exposed as a weasel

      Looking for excuses- no looking for answers. Answers you can't give, like why can anyone in Encinitas go get their birth certicate tommorrow and yet teh PResident could not produce one for 4 years. Why can any Encinitas resident go get a birth certificate tommorrow and the best the PResident can do is take 4 years to produce a document many question called a 'certificate of live birth"- you can't explain it because there is no explanation.

      You comical and illogical at the same time- you want us to believe there is no UN Agenda 21, yet the UN Agenda 21 has it's own website, it's own stated goals, and Encinitas gives them taxpayer money.

      The goals of UN Agena 21 are on display for all to see, it's stack and pack housing, control of transportation, limiting freedom and mobility and controlling the food source.

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    11. You need to put your tin foil hat back on 453.and go back to your Fox bubble. Your birther remarks just proved that you're a whack job! Talk about comedy and being illogical you just won first prize!

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    12. 5:21 name calling and attempts to hide facts don't strengthen your argument, they make you look ill informed, dumbed down as it were, a simpleton.

      fact -any citizen in encinitas can go to the state they were born and a get a copy of their birth certificate tommorrow. It took president obama 4 years to produce a "certificate of live birth' can you explain this?

      Fact president obama then sent his lawyers into new jersey to argue that the 'certificate of live birth' he finally did produce was not a legally binding document- can you explain this?

      fact- the same press that covered up for obama's 'if you like your plan you can keep your plan' and promoted the lie that benghazi was the result of a video never reported on the two facts i share above - can you explain this?

      right, now call me a racist and tell me to go watch fox to distract others from the truth

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    13. Yeah 10:28, whatcha smokin? Everyone knows the fake moon landing was filmed at a Disney studio.

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    14. 610 the only fact that matters is that NO President has ever had to produce one except Obama. Why?

      Bush lost over 100 in embasy bombings and no one had witchhunt panels investigating that. Why?

      Get real! You live in a bubble of misinformation. Say it over and over in an echo chamber and it must be a fact. Right?

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    15. Yup, turn off the radio and tv and try turning on your brain. Obama's the President today, tomorrow and the remainder of his term. There's a fact for you. That and the fact that there's nothing you can do about it. You are correct that Biden and Clinton voted for the war, two more that won't get my vote. I was just trying to point out the fallacy of your tit for tat Republican/Democrat 2 party thinking. People are so concerned with scoring a point on who they did or didn't vote for, while the country goes down the drain through the inaction of our two parties...

      I'll be at the Studio with Fred filming another moon landing having a cocktail. Come on by with your tinfoil hat, we won't require your birth certificate, or a spelling test...

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    16. 7:32 maybe you should try spouting off less and opening your eyes more - it was you who brought the inference of party partisanship intot the post -not others. In fact the other posts were non-partisan, until you showed up.

      As for opening your eyes- it is not only 2 party rule that is the problem - it is a corrupt, complict, crooked, controlled, state propagandist media called NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, MS NBC, NYTimes, USA Today, WSJ and FOX that are to blame

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    17. Gaspar was concocted in a Revlon lab!!!

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    18. 7:15 ah - could it be because President Obama had a father who was not an american who was here on a student visa ?

      7:15 rather than obfuscating and blaming others to distract can you answer the simple question- why is it any one of use can go get a copy of our birth certificate for a passport- but yet it took President Obama 4 years to produce a 'certificate of live birth' - please provide an answer for us

      Also, please share with us why President Obama later sent his lawyers to New Jersey to argue that the document he produced called a 'certificate of live birth' was not a legal document and should be thrown out of court procedings- please explain why the President argued that the very document he presented as legal he then argued was not legal?

      Apparently you to would have us believe if we like our plans we can keep it and that it was that darn video that caused the murder of local navy seals and the US Ambassador, not Islamic Jihadi's

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    19. It does not matter who his father was. His mother was an American. that makes him American. Plus the fact that he was born in Hawaii.

      What's your stance on Ted Cruz? American or Canadian?

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    20. 9:21 thank you for sharing. Can you explain why took President Obama 4 years to produce a 'certificate of live birth' when I got a copy of my birth certificate for my passport in less than 24hours?

      Can you explain 9:21 why President Obama sent his lawyers to New Jersey to argue the the 'certificate of live birth' that he produced claiming it was a legal document should actually not be considered a legal document?

      Can you explain why most of the press has not reported on the two facts listed above?

      If anyone does meet the constitutional requirements to run for President then they should not be allowed to run. Reasonable people would agree

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  20. There's no drought in California. The Agenda 21 people are hoarding water in colossal underground tanks in the Mojave Desert. The bureaucrats' plan is to regionalize water use according to directives from Rob Ford, who will soon be out of rehab and is crossing the border into the US to take charge.

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    1. I bet Ford has all the cheese and beer as well...

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  21. It was not 5 stories Norby wanted in Cardiff, it was 7 stories like little Italy.

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  22. I saw Kranz and Andreen having lunch (or a drink) together a while back.

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    1. Yuck! Really? where and when?

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    2. Was Kranz sporting his new do and taking orders? Dufus becomes a big shot....

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  23. Donna rocks! Way to go girl. You stated in a few words what we are all fighting against. Slimy gus and crew once again bring in outsiders to tell us how we should infill our community and max out what little we have left and our feeble council sits there buying into it all. Mayor Donna come on down. Now wouldn't that be a hoot! I will leave it others to provide the play by play. Once again gusters' strategery sic poses endless plans we don't want, we don't need and more Sandag crapola. Ugh, this is so depressing and never ending with this bunch of non leaders and their minions. Bless those who stand up for our fair town against the onslaught of greedy influence peddling that slimy gus keeps bring forward. Come on council. Enough already. Stop drinking his [un]cool aid and start listening to your people. Thank you Donna for simply stating the obvious.

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    1. What did she say?

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    2. The meeting went until 4:55am?

      I hope not, or is that when the KLCC Hate Trolls just return from their evening feedings?

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    3. Ask Lynn about Kranz and Andreen. She claims that Andreen was hired by Baird and EUSD to finish up the Pacific View deal. Could the extra $.5 million the City agreed to pay the district above the requested 9.5 mil auction price be for Andreen?

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    4. I never said any such thing about Andreen's being" hired by Baird and EUSD to finish up the Pacific View deal."

      Please stop making up rumors and making unsubstantiated statements of fact, that are lies.

      Please leave my name out of your comments, here, when I haven't been posting.

      Instead of starting bogus rumors, why don't you share your name, slimy troll? When you hide behind your screen of anonymity in order to start false rumors, that is the definition of cowardice; it's the mark of your obsession that you keep calling out my name, without sharing yours.

      Fortunately, you've already admitted you're Crappy Pappy, aka Crappy Marvy, and that's no rumor. You've posted it here, on a previous thread, anonymously, so you can't delete your admission. You've also admitted you're Roadside Park Bum, on Leucadia Blog, in the past, in a conversation with Gil Forester.

      You get up first thing in the morning, and start in with your attacks, rumors, and lies, your ongoing obession. Leave me alone. Leave my name out of your lies and attacks.

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    5. 5:59, 6:10 and 6:19 are the same slimy obsessive, the same anon poster. This is his standard early morning operating procedure, get up, chug coffee, obsess about Lynn and some imaginary acronym he concocted, calling people haters while he exudes bitterness and hate, himself.

      Early morning jerk was miffed because someone (4:55) got up before him. Although CM (Crappy Marvy) doesn't live in Leucadia, he thinks he owns it; he pretends, to himself, he can sit in judgment of everyone who does live here, or travels through here, does business here.

      How pathetic.

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    6. I am 5:59 and I was responding to the comment about " Mayor Donna" whomever that may be... I asked a simple question, what did she say. I am not the other posters and you will feel my wrath if you try to connect me to anyone else. You don't own, operate nor edit this blog. A pox on your house you slanderous slime ball.( if you have 3 brain cells to understand that slam.. Which I doubt).
      12:04 pathetic loser......

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    7. Sorry, 5:59 and 1:36, that was my operator error. I meant to say 6:10 and 6:19 are the same person posting.

      But don't get so defensive; if you have 3 brain cells, you would know that slander refers to spoken word, not written comments, and since you, like me, are anon, there is no possibility of libel against either of us.

      Methinks thou doth protest too much, slimy one.

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    8. 12:04- you have a friend in WC , he deleted my posting. Perhaps he 'll allow this one to remain.... Fornicate the penguin.

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  24. Huh? Mike Andreen, deal maker on crooked school real estate deals? Sounds a little out of his league to be swinging that kind of lumber. More like a David Meyer move where Andreen handles the flackage and does the verbal and written hide and seek...

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    1. "Toady" always comes to mind when I hear his name.

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  25. Any council member who votes to direct OUR money to Andreen will feel the wrath of all who know what's been going on in this city. Andreen is a classic example of crony welfare.
    The Cabezon

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  26. Turnout was pretty poor at last night's session. Where was everyone? I guess it's not really that important to you all.

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    1. 3:29

      We have Prop A-


      The lying council members- and they did lie - used the have all the power backed by city staff who told lies- backed by city paid city faciliators who lied

      Now we have Prop A- thanks to the work of many. The city's and the council and thier special developer friends will need to convince the public to upzone

      THe lying council- yes you Barth and Gaspar- will again trot out threats of the housing element, more lies on ballot statements and more untruthers-

      but they will be met with an army of residents that will crush VIna's strategic boondoggle that will be exposed for the piece of crap that it is

      see how it works- we do

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    2. its not a strategic boondoggle. its a strategic genius.

      It got Vina 1.5 years closer to his $220,000 per year retirement!!!

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    3. Why would we be there. It was a waste of time listening to staff and council grandstand. No really accomplishments or value. All waste.

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    4. Where was everyone? When folks don't feel they're being heard, they tend to find better things to do with their time than continuing to bang their heads against the wall.

      Funny, Vina claimed residents of Sacramento were "apathetic." Ever heard of a common denominator, Gus?

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    5. Vina believes in community manipulation, and Barth and Gaspar are right there plotting with him

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  27. I heard five stories in Cardiff, but they weren't five summer stories. They were from a mix of the seasons. One was that the Cardiff Kitchen used to be there on San Elijo. Another was that Leffingwell used to pull teeth in the round brick building, and that's where Benedict started. A third was there used to be a plank to cross the trench from the bottom of Dublin to go surf the reef. A fourth was there used to be a billboard in the wetland near the bridge and mouth of the lagoon. The fifth was that people used to say VonsandValueFair so quickly and so slurred together that it all sounded like one word that you really couldn't understand. The sixth – oh wait, I said five but somebody above said seven so let's go there – was that local girl Noel Driscoll used to play guitar and sing at BestaWan Pizza. Finally, seven, Miracles Cafe was a much cooler place than the crap that's there now. OK, not finally. Eight, Ki's used to be on Birmingham just up from San Elijo. RIP, Ki.

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    1. I heard it was once affectionately called Cardiff by the slough. A live peacock used to always be seen daily on the roof of a Realty office where now the Jack in the Box is. A sturdy treehouse was in Rossini Creek. When someone told my dad there was a "sulferization" place at one end of downtown, he thought that must be what makes the moldy swamp smell at Cottonwood Creek. He later heard someone was talking about Self Realization at the other end of town. But one of my cooler memories is when my older sister lived over George's in an apartment on the beach with her husband for $65 a month.

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  28. Obama wasn't born, he was hatched. That's why it took so long to get his birth certificate. He explained that today when he was at Irwin Jacobs' house in La Jolla for lunch. He also apologized for being such a wimp that he didn't invade a country and kill about 100,000 people like Bush did. He's sorry he didn't cost the US a trillion dollars for nothing, multiply the national debt, crash the global economy and miss the 9-11 warnings. To Obama's eternal regret, his mom made a quick trip to Kenya, hatched him there, then hightailed it back to Hawaii. Obama's dad wanted him born in his own country of birth so the ancestral line would continue on the same soil. He also wanted his son to be the first Muslim president, which he foresaw when Barack pecked his way out of his shell. There was something about the pecking technique that indicated the infant would grow to presidential stature. The birth certificate Obama finally came up with and the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper were faked. Everybody knows that. It's obvious.

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    1. 9:05 how ridiculous you are- Bush has nothing to do with Obama's inability to produce a birth certifcate for more than 4 years- you still have not answered why any encinitas citizen can go get their birth certificate today with no drame - yet strangley Obama could not. You also have explained why after producing the "cerfificate of live birth' as a supposed legal document verifying his birth- Obvama later sent his lawyers to New Jersey to argue , successfully, that the document was not a legal document. No answers from you on these facts, no explanations- oh blame bush,

      Still waiting on answers as to why Obama , Clinton and Susan Rice lied to american about benghazi- oh right, it was a video. Oh right- if you like your plan you can keep it- oh right, there's too much money in politics- now let me go meet the Hollywood gazillionaires and stop by for lunch with Irwin Jacobs-

      Obama would fit right in at Encinitas city hall, he could have lunch with the other local liars like Gaspar, Barth, Kranz, Shaffer and Muir

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    2. Yes, 9:05 is ridiculous, intentionally. On the other hand, 7:41 in naturally stupid and accepting of Fox News/Rush Limbaugh propaganda. 9:05's intention was to point that out to you, but you missed it – again.

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    3. 1:45 It is you who are ridiculous. I posted 2 facts-

      1. I and all my friends can get a copy of our birth certifcates for passports in less than 24 hours- the best Obama could produce was a 'certificate of live birth " and it took him 4 years.

      2. Obama then sent his lawyers to argue in a New Jersey court that the document he produced as a 'certificate of live birth' was actually not a legallly binding document -

      Because you have no answers or explanations to reubt these FACTS- the best you can do is try to distract others from asking why the above facts are true.

      For the record, I voted for Obama and sent him money - but you missed it, again.

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  29. Buried in the budget agenda item for next week -
    Potential Renaming of Beacon’s Beach-
    Staff will notify the citizen regarding the current
    renaming policy and process.

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    1. To be renamed " one of 3 Leucadia beaches without toilet facilities " beach. Gee, I kinda like it. Tells you pretty much all you need to know .

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    2. 9:31 PM
      Plans are in the works for access for a hoard of visitors. It may rival Moonlight Beach.

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    3. It's embarrassing. The City goofed. The original name, the real name is Beacon.

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  30. From the city's engineering and public works strategic plan - a new director position.
    Consider creation of Director of Sustainability position

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  31. I for one cannot be critical of race theory. There's a theory that we have races every summer in Del Mar. Then next November there's a theory we'll have races for mayor and a council seat. But who would want to sit in those seats? They're black, non-porous and sweaty. I bet if you leaned back too far, you'd tip over. And they swivel. You could get dizzy and throw up. Then you have to deal with all those buttons and the little screen that malfunctions all the time. Geez, what a pain! It would probably be cool though to sit high up on a shelf above everybody else in the room so you could look down on them like the peons they are. But those long meetings are so boring, especially if you have to pay attention all the way through. Imagine how hard it must be knowing you're making about $1,200 a month when all the goons on the staff who are supposed to be taking directions from you are making $100 to $200K, have great benefits and pensions that make golden parachutes look like leaking birthday balloons. So, no, I'm not critical of race theory. All the world's a race. Shakespeare or somebody said so.

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  32. 10:55 PM
    Council members are paid from $23,000 to $35,000 dollars a year depending on outside boards compensation. The staff salaries were approved by previous and current councils. This council can eliminate positions and set lower director salaries. The council choses not to do it.

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    1. 11:24 Council members are paid $1,186 per month to be council members. Show the accounting that their required participation in related positions boosts their pay to $23-35,000 per year.

      If that's true, at its max it's way less that a third of the pay of the department managers who are supposed to be taking direction from them. And that's not counting benefits and pensions. Vina's base salary is $216,300 per year.

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    2. 3:47 PM
      Why don't you ask each council member what his/her total compensation was for each of the last 4 years.

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    3. Three of the five council members were elected in 2012, making your suggested question impossible to answer.

      If you're 11:24, show the source of the compensation you claim.

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  33. Gus Vina's strategic plan is to turn Encinitas into Sacramento south.

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  34. Vina?


    Why do we even have Vina?

    This is showing poorly against the current council. Come on Gaspar and Muir, you know it has to be done…. let fire this clueless loser Vina.

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