12A. Council initiated item from Council Member Shaffer to reconsider Mayor and Deputy Mayor transition scheduled to take effect June 11, 2014.
2014-05-28 Item 12A - Council Member Shaffer Initiated Item
12B. Council initiated item from Council Member Kranz for reconsideration of the pending transition of Mayor and Deputy Mayor duties.
2014-05-28 Item 12B - Council Member Kranz Initiated Item
The mayor-sharing was agreed last December and heralded as an example of the council's new civility. Apparently civility (and fair play) ends as soon as your colleagues have a policy disagreement over the purchase price of Pacific View.
At the time of the deal, council members expressed concern that incumbency would be an advantage (we think this concern is way overblown; just ask Mayor Stocks and Mayor Dalager). All council members were given a chance to say whether they wanted to run for mayor. Only Teresa Barth and Kristin Gaspar expressed any interest, so the council cordially agreed to allow each of them to serve for half the year.
Now that Kranz has decided he's running for mayor, he wants to change the rules.
Anyone involved in future dealings with Kranz or Shaffer would be wise to remember exactly how far you can trust them. For that matter, so would the voters.
This naked power grab bears a striking resemblance to the tone-deaf and bull-headed move by Mayor Jerome Stocks to appoint one of his allies to fill the council seat of the late Maggie Houlihan, when the magnanimous thing to do would have been to appoint Houlihan's (and the overwhelming majority of the public's) chosen successor. That move was a catalyzing moment that marked the beginning of the end of Stocks' political career.
There's also plenty of irony in the fact that the defining issue of Teresa Barth's first several years on the council was that she was repeatedly passed over for a turn as mayor by a council majority her supporters viewed as bullies. Now Barth's majority allies want to do the same thing to Kristin Gaspar.
Unbelievable is all I can say.
ReplyDeleteThis should never have been a split mayor position It didn't make sense then and it doesn't make sense now especially since the November election to select a mayor will be coming soon. Gaspar should not have any more of an advantage over any others who would like to run for mayor.
ReplyDeleteTo Gaspar showmanship = leader ship ROCKS AND SAND
ReplyDeleteShe definitely blew it with the silly magic show. We saw at that point where her brain was.
DeleteConsidering the venue of business people, Gaspar's demonstration provided the equivalent of 20 slides.
Deletewow - barth shaffer and kranz are disgusting liars. I wonder how that little blond woman who thanked Barth a few weeks ago thinks her liar freinds now? what does it say about her to praise liars?
ReplyDeleteshaffer kranz and barth have abandoned any semblance of having integrity and character - they, and catherine blakespear, are disgusting to me.
ps i campaigned for barth shaffer and kranz and i am no fan of gaspar and muir
It's official! The silly season has begun and it's now getting ugly. Get used to seeing 3/2 splits on every vote from now to November. The gloves are off.
ReplyDeleteThe lame ducks will remain Gaspar and Muir and that's the way it is.
ReplyDeleteWhat a pathetic bunch. I wonder who got to them - I can't think that this is their original idea. Maybe Shaffer can give her new ethos on ethics - if all else fails, lower your standards.
ReplyDeleteHere's what Lisa Shaffer says in her one page agenda report:
Delete"PROPOSED ACTION
I propose that we invite all Council members to state their intentions with respect to the 2014 election, recognizing that some Council members may still be undecided or choose not to reveal their plans. Once members have had the opportunity to state their intentions, Council could consider motions regarding the mayor and deputy mayor transition."
The different possibilities and scenarios were all considered when the unanimous decision was made in December of 2013 to, for the first time, have a sitting mayor continue in her appointed office for an additional six months, and simultaneously appoint a second mayor for the final six months of 2014.
I had objected that this alternative is not specified in Encinitas Municipal Election Code. Of course City Attorney said, it wasn't precluded.
Tony Kranz was the one who upset the apple cart, before, because Lisa Shaffer had made the motion to have Teresa Barth serve for two years. Now that he's running for mayor, and counting on Barth and Shaffer's endorsement, also Catherine Blakespear's support, Tony is willing to "revisit" his former attempt at a compromise."
This does feel like the heights of hypocrisy and flip-flopping. I don't think anything I say could make a difference to Barth, Shaffer and Kranz. But public perception of another betrayal will affect voter opinion. This is a big mistake by Kranz.
I suppose he's willing to risk it, as he's running from a "safe seat."
11:22 PM
Delete"Of course City Attorney said, it wasn't precluded." So you want him to make things up? The split mayor happened once before. You criticize the city attorney for not following the law (according to your interpretation) and now you criticize him for following the law which you disagree with. This is a perfect example of why so many people find you unpersuasive. Just saying.
City Attorney Glenn Sabine interprets our municipal code differently according to what he thinks the majority on Council want. Because something is not spelled out as being precluded, doesn't mean that twisting EMC is acceptable or appropriate.
DeleteThe "split mayor," happened for the last month or two of Sheila Cameron's term as Mayor, when Jim Bond wanted to be able to put on the sample ballot that he was mayor, when he ran for (and lost) a seat as State Assemblyman.
After that, in 2010, EMC was changed, under the Stocks/Bond majority, so that it was easier to ignore the before traditional rotational system, and play politics with the yearly appointment of a new mayor by Council. The rotational system helped to keep politics out of it; attempting to give every council member a turn; only requiring three votes inserted politics back in.
Teresa Barth and her supporters decried the exceptions to the traditional policy of rotation, when they were used to keep Barth out of the rotation three times. Now Barth, Kranz and Shaffer are playing politics and making up excuses for doing so.
It's good to have a public hearing, that's true, but there would be no need for discussion about this if Barth, Kranz and Shaffer could keep their word from last December.
I feel a cat fight starting to brew.
ReplyDeleteBeauty vs the Beast - take your pick which one is whom.
DeleteInstead of civility, the new "normal" seems to be betrayal and vindictiveness by the new bully majority. Teresa Barth, Lisa Shaffer and Tony Kranz were irritated when they couldn't have Kristin Gaspar be the minority mayor for 2013, when she chose to bow out after the "We Love Encinitas" brouhaha.
ReplyDeleteThat infringement was a mistake, on KG's part; but a big part of the reason for the vindictiveness was that then Council Member Teresa Barth was left out of the feel-good pieces sent out by the We Love Encinitas Group, which was later found to be tied to Paul Gaspar, with the help of Coast Law Group.
Remember, all of the public speakers had asked that the Satisfaction Survey not be done during election years. Teresa voted along with the rest of the incumbents to do just that. She was mad she wasn't included in the puff piece mailer featuring all the incumbents, EXCEPT Teresa, even though Jim Bond was finally stepping down. He had also said that it would be better not to have the surveys during election years, but he voted along with the rest of Council to hire the contractor for three years, making it unanimous.
Tony was the one who suggested this new protocol where a single Council Member can bring forward an agenda item, through the Clerk, without having to go through the Mayor and the City Manager. Here's what Tony Kranz says in his one paragraph agenda report:
"I would like to take myself out of the pending appointment to serve as the Deputy Mayor due to political considerations, and think we should reconsider the mayoral appointment now that Mayor Barth has decided not to run for reelection." Will Mark Muir remain Deputy Mayor, or will Lisa Shaffer get that plum, so she can run the Water District meetings, and continue to team up with Teresa Barth for another year?
Promises were made, and broken; this is more of the same.
1. Barth, Shaffer and Kranz supporters were led to believe by Barth that with the new majority, City Attorney Glenn Sabine would be replaced. Instead Council gave him unanimous support during their evaluations and did not encourage public input through an online survey, as had been initially promised by Shaffer and Gaspar. When Lorri Greene made her nine minute presentation to Council, there was no second for Shaffer's motion to consider competitive bidding, including from Teresa, who betrayed those of us who had promised that Sabine could be replaced.
2. Barth, Shaaffer and Kranz supporters were led to believe that all three supported the Right to Vote on Upzoning and Raising Height Limits Initiative. They all flip-flopped, and were happy that a pro-development law firm, Rutan & Tucker was hired, without Council's pre-approval, to write a $50K plus NOT independent report, full of conjecture and speculation, later used by Council and staff in attempting to defeat Prop A.
3. Barth, Shaffer and Kranz have run on a platform of more open government. Instead Barth and Shaffer tried to eliminate individual time donations. We were promised that if we elected Shaffer and Kranz to create a new majority, then a sunshine ordinance would be enacted. That is not happening.
4. So many of Teresa Barth's supporters appreciated her as an underdog, and felt incensed that she had been skipped over so many times in her rotation as mayor. But when it was her turn to step up to the plate, she wanted to hold back, to position herself to be the first elected mayor. That could have happened, even were Kristin to have been mayor in 2014, but for Barth's broken promises and failed leadership. Barth, Shaffer and Kranz are creating a public relations nightmare by going back on their agreement, in December of 2013. They accuse Muir and Gaspar of being obstructionists and trying to sabotage the purchase of Pacific View. No one has more political, petty and vindictive than they are being, now.
This most certainly is a case of, be careful what you wish for. But we couldn't know the depths of the political maneuvering, pretense, and petty political manipulation the very people so many of us campaigned for would go.
DeleteThey campaigned on trust, transparency, integrity, respect and intelligence. They are not demonstrating those qualities. Quite the opposite.
How could we ever trust them again? Once fooled, shame on you. Twice fooled, shame on me.
I meant that Shaffer could continue to team up with Barth for another six months, at 11:00.
DeleteIf you believe that Sabine/Would/Could/ be replaced, you are more than naieve. It was never going to happen...
DeleteHoly crapola I check out for half a day and look what has happened! And I just read the latest Guerilla to boot. Thanks Guerilla and WC for being so on top of all that is going down. I must say the division is a welcome relief to what THEY have being sliding by on for the last couple of years. Rodney King's, Why can't we all just get along ?, has come home to roost here. We can't and shouldn't, when issues are so distorted and misrepresented. Sunshine here in sunny Socal is hard to find at our own city hall. As for this backtracking on the last 6 months of the agreed to mayoral term this is pretty low. I was looking forward to the princess's true ability to show just how deserving ?? she is of the position she somehow holds for the time being. I am waiting with baited breath for what comes next. EU thanks for your being there for all of us.
ReplyDeleteUNBELIEVABLE!!!
ReplyDeleteTHE HAS LOST OUR TRUST!!!
WHERE IS THE ETHICS IN THIS DECISION!!!
Good. Now Gaspar understands there are NO friends in politics. Time to bring out your claws Kristen. Never forget, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
ReplyDeleteAnd still my street goes unfixed.
I just got back from a 3 week vacation and am truly stunned by this decision. Is it true that the 3 , Teresa, Tony and Lisa, actually not letting Kaspar be the mayor for the second half as promised. Can someone direct me to the site where this was actually agreed upon? If it was the last council meeting just say that and I will read it. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteSee the links in the post. Kranz and Shaffer sneaked it onto next week's agenda. We'll find out next week if Barth is in on it with them.
ReplyDeleteOf course, Barth is in on it. It's the city manager and mayor who set the agenda. And look at the timing -- just in time to make the change before the new mayor takes over.
DeleteShades of Jerome Stocks' manipulation of the agenda and Barth's complaints about him.
Whether Barth is in on it or not, the council member initiated agenda item is just that, put on the agenda by any council member. Or was Barth and Vina in on the Muir proposed hiring freeze which was also a council member initiated agenda item?
DeleteConsistency please!
Barth, Shaffer and Kranz are not being consistent. The fact that there are two nearly identical agenda items by two separate Council Members is a way for both Shaffer and Kranz to have discussed their separate agenda items with the Mayor, so that totals three members, a quorum, who are discussing going back on the final rotation agreed upon last December. This has the obvious appearance of a Brown Act violation.
DeleteAs I understand it, a council initiated agenda item merely places that item on the next upcoming agenda without prior discussion. It is outside the normal agenda setting process. The councilperson making the request is required to prepare the report as both Shaffer and Kranz have done.
DeleteYou have "Brown Act violation" on the brain. I'm not taking sides but Barth's withdrawal from running for mayor changed the dynamic, as anyone could see. Since Barth's mayoral term was coming to an end next month, it's not surprising that these items would appear now. Whether you agree with either is irrelevant.
I'm not commenting on the political jockeying going on. A council initiated agenda item doesn't violate the Brown Act on its face as no agenda setting discussion is required. A councilperson submits it, it's place on the agenda.
But the mayor can and does discuss agenda items with one other Council Member. For two different Council Members to have presented two separate, but essentially identical agenda items is a sneaky way to get around Brown Act mandates.
DeleteI have "Brown Act violations on the brain," because our City has been violating the Brown Act and the California Public Records Act, for years.
For instance, it was a Brown Act violation for the City Manager, Gus Vina, and Council Member Lisa Shaffer to release the two appraisals of Pacific View, received in closed session, without the public concurrence of a quorum of Council to do so.
Teresa Barth and Tony Kranz, in particular, had Brown Act violations on their brains, when they promised, repeatedly, that with a new Council Majority, a sunshine ordinance would be enacted. That was another lie.
Thanks EU
ReplyDeleteKristin Gaspar has missed more meetings than any council person in the history of the city , she is a fake .
ReplyDeleteHow many meetings has she missed in the past 3 years? Could you provide a number?
DeleteWhat does that have to do with going back on an agreement?
Kind of like when they took the mayorship away from Sheila. Payback is a bitch....
DeleteReally? 19 years ago and that was for cause.
DeleteYou probably don't want to go there.
Mike
The "cause" was that Jim Bond wanted to be listed as mayor when he ran for State Assembly.
DeleteBut thanks for signing your name.
Oh,poor Kristin no one understands her-------------- poor thing IT'S CALLED KARMA KRISTIN.You did the same thing to Teresa ----------- if you recall!
ReplyDeleteNo, we don't recall when Teresa had been appointed mayor by unanimous agreement and Kristin moved to undo it.
DeletePlease refresh our memory.
In fact, as we recall, Gaspar supported Barth for mayor both in 2012-13 and 2013-14.
DeleteShaffer and Kranz are just plain liars. They have lied to us about everything! Prop. A, Density Bonus, Sebine, Taxes, Employees, etc....
ReplyDeleteIn reality, when it was Kristin's turn in the rotation to assume the Mayor's seat; roughly 12-6-12, she stepped aside to allow Teresa to take the Mayor's chair, in part because Kristin believed that Teresa should go before her in rotation because of history between Teresa, Danny and Jerome, when they kept Teresa out of the rotation in reponse to her leaking confidential information of the city's during the
DeleteOrpheus Park Tree Topping Crisis: Teresa responded by accusing Danny of Harrassment and stated that Stock's comments in the UT made her fear for herself and her family. (Stocks said that she couldn't be trusted. And now...?)
Now, not only Teresa try to usurp Kristin's second turn as the Mayor, last December, (TB, no education, no ethics and now, no class) but the swing vote, Tony Kranz, has now aided Teresa in stopping Kristin from serving a half-year as was agreed to by all last Dec.
The irony is, staff says that several times in closed-door meetings over the past year, Kranz has lost his temper and menaced the female members of the council: and TB is cool with this? This behavior is appropriate to her, but a newspaper comment is not?
So, to read between the lines, TB and LS so hate Kristin that they are willing to deface their own political legacies: as well as the city's, to cause harm to her? And a councilman with control problems is going to be allowed to welch on an agreement made in public and Cinderella's 2 step-sisters believe this behavior is appropriate?
I was at the Chamber ribbon-cutting yesterday and it was embarrassing to see Lisa and Teresa acting like 'Mean Girls' and modeling behavior that is inappropriate in grade school much less AARP aged 'leaders'?.
As for Tony. His step-mother was right about him.
The saddest part is this thug will be running from a 'safe-seat' and the city will have to suffer 2 more years of someone who is simply insufferable.
Too bad he doesn't have an adult to advise him.
Which staff? If you're going to go with that, you better print some names. Otherwise it's just unfounded rumor time. There's enough here with this move that we don't need to go there. If this move shapes up like it looks, Tony and Lisa will go down in flames.
Delete-Mr Green Jeans.
Kristin is the developers sock puppet and always will be,90 percent of her campaign money comes from out of the city.I DON'T TRUST HER.I suggest to you that Tony,Lisa and Teresa no more about How badly Kristin behaves at council and especially in closed session than you do
ReplyDeleteHow do you know what happens in closed session? Did the ethics professor commit another misdemeanor and tell you?
Delete8:43 AM
DeleteYou mean in closed session she stands up to the troika?
Council members Kranz, Shaffer, and Barth are double crossing back stabbers.
ReplyDeleteI'll say again , Kristin is the developers sock puppet and you prop A people trust her.UNBELIVEABLE
ReplyDeleteHer voting record on developer issues was nearly identical to Kranz's.
DeleteOh, except Kranz voted to allow general office use as an "accessory" in agricultural zoning. Gaspar didn't.
This is not about trusting Gaspar.
ReplyDeleteThis is about the slimy tactics of Shaffer, Kranz, and Shaffer.
Can you ever trust that troika on anything again? Their word and understanding about commitment is what is on the line here. This issue is about them.
You may not like Gaspar. But how can anybody like or trust Shaffer, Kranz, and Barth?
This speaks volumes about Kranz' integrity. Watch the vote this Wednesday. Gaspar supported Barth's plan to share the Mayor's office; if Barth doesn't uphold her promise (on Wednesday(, she's just a partisan hack.
ReplyDeleteWe already know that Kranz and Shaffer are doing the bidding Francine Busby and Jess Durfee--the same people who gave San Diego Bob Filner so I expect them to vote like the party bosses dictate. Barth will be the interesting vote on Wednesday. Will she honor her word or let partisan hacks control her?
From a google search, his FB page, Dude, we'll handle our own city, you go play with Duke Cunningham and Carl Demaio
DeleteBrian Brady-San Diego County GOP Central Committee Member
Brian Brady, husband, father, tea party activist, founding member of the San Diego Republican Liberty Caucus, and small business owner is running for the San Diego County Republican Central Committee is Assembly District 78
Wow, the Tea Party is mounting an attack on Tony, it's like the movie "Highlander" without the parking garage sword fight!
DeleteI heard Tony is bringing in Angela Davis, lol!
-Mr Green Soul Brother
My principles (and your disagreement with them) don't change the fact that Tony Kranz is doing the bidding of Francine Busby. You can disagree with the things which I believe but you can't undo the fact that Kranz doesn't keep his word.
DeleteBrian: I find it difficult to believe that Kranz and Busby are working together. In fact, when I asked Francine about this, she didn't even know much about it. Please, you have every right to state your opinion but to suggest that Tony is in cahoots with Busby and the whole Democratic party is just plain not true. When you make statements like that, that can be easily verified, your credibility goes down to 0.
DeleteBrian Brady with all respect you may claim to be a GOP but you are supporting a big spending self serving irresponsible liar-
DeleteGaspar lied on A
Gaspar spent 66,000 of taxpayer mone on surveys her husband used to promote his husband
gaspar voted to steal 7M from projects with no plan to pay it back
gaspar voted to spend 135,000 on an uneeded spin doctor
Kranz is a loser, so is gaspar
just what do you stand for Brady- yourself? it certainly isn't principles
Can't wait for Shaffer's newsletter where she tries to justify this as just wanting to ask the question if the mayoral arrangement should be re-visited.
ReplyDeleteShe will offer amazement that this agenda item raised such a fuss.
She is a failure in the real world. Time to retreat to the ivory tower, apparently where any question is OK.
Lisa Shaffer's already sending out explanations (excuses) on her Council Member Lisa Shaffer Facebook page, and sending out more explanations out by personal e-mail as well, with permission to forward.
DeleteLet's see Gaspar jumped Barth to be vice mayor with the help of her then bestie JEROME STOCKS and you're ok with that . Some this is bad
ReplyDeleteEXPLAIN PLEASE!
Who said anybody is OK with those past moves?
DeleteThat doesn't justify what Shaffer and Kranz are attempting.
If you are OK with what Shaffer and Kranz are trying to do, you have to be OK with what Stocks and crew did in the past.
Simply the fact these three support Catherine Blank-Stare should give you a clue whom NOT to vote for in the upcoming election. They are acting like she's already "one of them", an insult to the voters.
ReplyDeleteAgain - Barth is running for Mayor, her ego and selfish self importance makes her run. Her statement not to run waw a ruse to draw Gaspar into the race to open the seat for Trica Smith's daughter
DeleteSpeaking of troikas , I prefer Teresa, Lisa and tony to Gaspars best friends.That would DAVID MEYER ,MIKE ANDREEN AND JEROME STOKES
ReplyDeleteNone of whom are elected officials.
DeleteThis is about three currently standing elected officials who are attempting this coup.
Tony has got to be the dumbest emeffer I've ever seen in politics.He acts like a grade school bully. Having Gaspar as mayor could have been political gold for him,instead he will now be the "no better than Stocks" bully-boy.This is pathetic behavior and makes many of us sad that we ever got involved supporting any of you on the so called majority.
ReplyDeleteThe Cabezon
Dallager was right up there, so was Duke Cunningham. The roadside is littered with political hopefuls. Should be an interesting election season.
Delete-Mr Green Jeans
This is not a Coup this is democracy in action get used to it
ReplyDelete10:44 AM
ReplyDeleteit is more like the Soviet Union with the troika of Kranz, Shaffer, and Barth. Incompetent council people hiding behind Vina and Sabine.
hyp·o·crite: a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
ReplyDeleteLisa and Tony should be ran out of town!
that's "run out of town", past tense mon frier...
DeletePlease rid us of Jerome Stocks before anyone else. He has done the most damage to Encinitas's future.
DeleteI don't know about closed sessions, as I wasn't there. However I have seen Kranz''s temper in action and it is not pleasant. In fact, it was downright ugly. And the person he verbally attacked is usually on his side of the issues. Makes you wonder about his anger problems. Maybe he should see Dr. L on this and get it fixed.
ReplyDeleteRemember how Tony got violent with a protester holding a sign that he disagreed with?
DeleteTony's temper is well known by those that know him. He has a short fuse and I would not like to see him be Mayor representing us to other cities. What if he gets mad and shows it to the mayor of "wherever'. it kind of scares me.
DeleteKranz is a liar. If he runs for Mayor I will go to city hall and ask him to explain his lies.
DeleteThe protester story has more to it than just Tony being in disagreement with the guy, I think the guy was right in his face.
DeleteThe guy's name is Roger Ogden, and the whole thing was a setup. Don't fall for that crap. The whole thing was a stunt. There's enough to judge Tony on with this move.
It's embarrassing that that even came up. Politics is now like People Magazine, it the Celebritazation of politics, where we ooh and moan about personal squabbles...
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/oct/23/encinitas-city-council-candidate-tony-kranz-accuse/
2:42- I agree with you on the protester Roger Ogden. However, I have personally seen Kranz lose it more than once and it wasn't necessary in any way. And, it wasn't like the Ogden deal. This was Tony and a citizen and Tony practically spat in his face with anger.
DeleteYup, and that's not kosher if Tony's doing that. You have to have control as a person, and more so as a councilman. Sounds like he needs to get some help there.
DeleteI just don't want to hear that Roger Ogden thing dragged up again by guy's like that tea party activist who was on here. Someone set Tony up on that, and the whole thing had nothing to do with Encinitas.
someone set Tony up? give me a break. Kranz fooled us al After being elected tony baloney was spotted at a fancy invite only party for developers held by developer papa doug manchester and the UT
DeleteKranz lied on Prop a and lied in an editorial in the paper - don't stand to close, kranz's anger or pant's could burst into flames
10:44 So that is how you like your democracy to be, with lying, deceitful elected officials who can not be trusted?
ReplyDeleteIs that what we should get used to with Shaffer, Kranz, and Barth? It looks like the answer is "yes", that is who they really are.
I don't understand why any one would be surprised. This is politics in a nutshell. Basically, you are out for yourself and any one that steps in your way will be smushed.
ReplyDeleteThe tactics in politics are about as low as it gets. I can't imagine why people spend their time involved in this venue. It almost is never about serving the public, but rather serving yourself (recognition which is a need, money which is a need, and finally CONTROL).
Personally, karma has come back to hit GASpar in the arse. She stepped up to the plate and accepted the Deputy Mayor position when it should have been Barth's turn.
O MA GOD Kristin. How does it feel?
Personal attacks on Teresa, Tony and Lisa makes one think your position is very weak.
ReplyDeleteTeresa TOny and Lisa are known liars. They lied on Prop A sending an untrue statement to every voter in the city to get their way. That is not a personal attack, it is who they are.
DeleteThey lie. They decieve, they are selfish, they are untrustworthy, they are poor role models for our kids, they are poor leaders for our children and city
That is who they are- tell your friends. I don't support liars.
You tell 'Em Fact finder, don't let them pull the wool over your eyes.
Delete-Barry Soetorovich
Teresa and Tony must constantly be holding weak hands then.
Delete11:24 So you think this is a good move by Shaffer and Kranz?
ReplyDelete11:33 This is politics. It's the name of the game.
Delete12:04 PM
DeleteNo, it's not politics. It is a move by dirty, small-minded elected officials that are too bloated with their own importance to care about carrying out an agreement. The troika will get their karma.
12:07 I understand you are upset, but the realization is this is not the first "dirty pool" game that has been played in politics. It happens every day. Nothing new. It's been happening here in Encinitas for a long, long time.
DeleteGASpar is not bloated with her own importance? I've seen her grandstand over and over. She is just as bad as they are.
12:12 PM
DeleteSo you admit that the troika is just like Stocks and his gang of helpers.
Yes, especially when one considers that GASpar is one of Stock's puppets.
DeleteHas anyone looked into the cost of the 2200 square foot lifeguard tower ? Does 3 million dollars sound right to you ? With $ 282,000 for the architect ?
ReplyDeleteI understand Moonlight Beach is a difficult place to build, but if you want to build a hospital in California, I found a agreement among three internet sources of around $327-$341 per square footage with a high estimate of $700 a square foot. We are paying almost twice the high estimate per square foot of hospital for a lifeguard tower that can't be anywhere as complex as a hospital. [ I understand there is an economy of scale, since any hospital is going to be much bigger than 2200 square foot, but paying $1363 a square foot seems exorbitant.]
I understand the architect is the same firm that designed the other new additions, but even basing his fee as a percentage of the cost - a high I found to be around 9%, that comes to 240,000. I found architect fees very widely in different areas and in the same area, with methods of billing varying even more wildly. I just have a hard time believing paying $282,000 for a 2200 square foot building can be justified.
Possibly someone with a construction background can explain these costs to all of us.
$3 million is ridiculous. It will all be wasted when the Pacific washes it away one day.
DeleteIt is easy to explain. You are being ripped off again by leadership that can waste your money with no conscience. That fee is absurd.
DeleteCan't let the people see the town has a tight budget. This tower thing is conspicuous consumption. The Council has to have their Mercedes Benz trophy status symbol. It is time to stop pretending this city is a high rolling city.
DeleteOur City Council and City Manager are idiots for even bring forward such a project.
DeleteBarth and Vina should be nominated for weasels of the year award.
ReplyDeleteIf there is "extra" money in the lifeguard project, where is it going ?
ReplyDeleteI hope it's a 3-2 vote to keep Barth on as mayor until the end of her term. Barth has nothing to lose by voting with Shaffer and Kranz because she will be out of politics.
ReplyDeleteThere should be a level playing field when we have our first mayoral election. In other words, Gaspar should not be sitting as mayor right before the election. That is a disadvantage to the others who are running for mayor. I get this strategy and think it is a good one.
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DeleteIt's never a good strategy to flip-flop, and/or to be hypocritical. There was an agreement made, an unprecedented decision to allow Teresa Barth to continue as mayor for another six months as appointed mayor. The term, codified for mayors appointed by a majority on Council, has always been for one year. The City Attorney said, that because of new code, changed in 2010, under Stocks, that Council wasn't "precluded" from selecting a mayor and at the same time selecting her successor, each for a term of six months.
DeleteThere was disagreement over who would serve the first leg of the two newly created six-month terms. The advantage of being the appointed mayor when the first mayoral election came up in November of this year, was discussed December of last year. The rotation, according to tradition, with a few exceptions (mostly involving Teresa Barth being skipped over by the majority under Stocks and Bond), should have gone to Kristin Gaspar.
Importantly, Teresa Barth VOLUNTARILY agreed to serve the first six months, beginning last December. Neither she nor Kristin Gaspar would commit to whether they would or would not run for mayor. As I recall, Kristin Gaspar said she would likely run, but she wasn't sure whether she'd run for Council or for Mayor.
Teresa Barth said, last December, at the public Council Meeting, she was NOT running for Council again, but had not decided on whether or not she would run for mayor.
However, there was a closed session hearing, I believe on the Rossini Creek fiasco, whereby the City is working through hearings on a $380,000 fine, that was trailing that early December Council Meeting; Council had not concluded their closed session discussion.
At the open Council Meeting, Teresa Barth stated she didn't want to have begun the closed session as mayor, without finishing up as mayor. For the sake of continuity, she said she would volunteer to go first, and that Kristin Gaspar could serve, starting in June, as mayor.
It's a sad and disappointing state of affairs when our elected officials put political strategizing before ethics and personal integrity. If we can't take them at their word, then we can't trust them to represent us fairly, openly, and honestly.
I wonder if Lisa Shaffer has ever taught a course about the difference between "situational ethics," and true integrity? What is politically expedient is often not the honorable course to take. By having two separate agenda items, it seems as though this new agenda item protocol allows both Lisa Shaffer and Tony Kranz to have discussed their two separate, but nearly identical self-placed agenda items with the Mayor, which is a very sneaky way of making it look as though the Brown Act has not been violated, when in fact, it certainly appears to have been compromised.
Our elected officials should be held to a higher standard, and should not even give the appearance of impropriety. Their latest tactics, and "strategic planning" schemes not only makes them look bad; they stink to high heaven.
Barth plans to run for mayor. Consider the facts
Delete1. She is a known liar. Barth signed her name to ballot statment lies on Prop A. She sided with developers on Desert Rose after campaigning on community characther, she kept on Sabine after saying he would be gone. Barth lies-
2. Barth is an insecure egomaniac who can not stand to be out of the spotlight. When she was in the minority she had us all believe she was some how being abused- turned out she was in it for her own selfish ends- see Prop A , Desert Rose, hiring the spin doctor who is now working on Blakespear's campaing- and the soon to be announced ticket of Barth Blakespear-
Barth is not stepping down. I wrote about this 2 months ago. The Barth announcment not to run was to draw Gaspar into running for Mayor- that opens Gaspar seat for Blakespear
I know Tricia Smith and like her- was surprised not to be invited to the party for Catherine that the three liars- Shaffer, kranz and Barth attended- they must feel that they don't need flyer people or sign holders now they have big money behind them
I voted for Shaffer Kranz and barth and gave them money- they are liars and disappointments. I will vote for Gaspar before I vote for any of the three self seeking egomaniac liars
I bet you $100 Teresa does not run for mayor, we'll put the money in an escrow account. If I win, the money goes to Remote Area Medical Services. Put jp or shut up..
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I agree that none of the potential candidates for mayor should be mayor when we vote. BTW, if Tony wins the mayor's race, what's the process to fill his seat, is it appointed?
DeleteAgreed!
DeleteBut what about when Teresa was "skipped" over and they cried foul? Teresa developed an entire focus for being an elected official on the fact that she got skipped over. Barth and Co are either petty and divisive now or they were petty and divisive then, or both.
I say both.
Lynn, life is all about flip-flops. Situations change and so do decisions based on a given situation. One has to remain flexible and ready to adjust to the circumstance.
DeleteI actually agree, politics are messy. The best politicians are flexible, either that or they're like LBJ!
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Factfinder, you are one bitter pill. We get it, you voted for Shaffer and Kranz and are bitter. We get it..Spare us the daily diatribe...
DeleteIf Kranz wins he will appoint Barth to aerve out his remaining term
Delete"Promises made -cronies taking care of each other"
see how it works? I do.
Look,it's simple if she has the votes she's mayor if not TOUGH SHIT
ReplyDeleteAgreed!
DeleteBut what about when Teresa was "skipped" over and they cried foul? They are either petty and divisive now or they were petty and divisive then, or both.
I say both.
If a council member is running for mayor, it makes sense to not have them as a sitting mayor before the election.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the thinking of Shaffer and Kranz. I'm sure Barth agrees with this also. Let's have a vote Wednesday evening and get this done.
3-2 to have Barth serve as mayor up to the end of her term. Let's just call this "make up" time. I'm sure Vina and Sabine have no problem with this.
We already know how Gaspar and Muir will vote. That is a given because they are lame ducks anyway.
9:05 PM You would have been a great guard at Buchenvald.
DeleteIt would be the same if you were already mayor running for reelection
DeleteWhether it is true or not that a sitting mayor should not be running for mayor is not the point.
DeleteAll of the council members voted for this arrangement, and Teresa Barth tried to milk it for political leverage. Since her standing continues to drop, she wants to go back on her word now.
When council members and our current sitting mayor go back on their words for something so personal, how much can we trust them in other issues?
10:00 PM
DeleteBuchenvald?? Really. You had to go the concentration camp route? My, my, the poverty of the discussion here.
8:19 I disagree with your assessment and future prediction.
Delete9:50 The council has a right to change their mind on any decision they make. That doesn't mean they are liars. It means the circumstance has changed and warrants a different decision. To keep calling people liars is pretty lame.
DeleteWe all make decisions and change them as circumstances warrant in our own daily lives. Are we liars? I think not.
They should be updating their decisions based on the needs of citizens and changing policies that impact the people who represent them. This simply has the appearance of gaming the system for political advantage--like some of the same people accused Jerome Stocks of doing when he would find ways to make himself mayor when he ran for office.
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DeleteWhat you mean is that the three council members - Kranz, Shaffer, and Barth, the troika, will go back on any agreement. It does mean they are liars.
1:17 Then, basically, we are all liars. I'm sure you have changed your decision a time or two in your life.
Delete1:12 Oh, you mean like the proposal by Muir for a hiring freeze.?
DeleteIf that wasn't a political ploy, I don't know what was.
1:10 Kranz Shaffer Barth cared so little for vogters, and thought voters were stupid- that all three lied on the Prop A ballot statement.
DeleteIf kranz runs for Mayor I will go to city hall and ask him to explain why he lied so we can all here his explanation
1:49 All 5 lied on the Prop A ballot statement.
DeleteThe first organizational meeting for Prop A in Encinitas was held in Tony Kranz's living room with Escondido Jerry as Guest Speaker. But the more Tony learned about what the pro-A people really had in mind the faster he ran away from them. When Tony realized he'd been working with the guys Carlsbad paid to move Wal-Mart out of La Costa and into Encinitas, North County Advocates, the Non-Profit that went from $8K in one year to over $400,000K the next (IRS 2013) Tony has tried to keep his distance from them and the Tax group (Kydd, A.A. and Graboi).Who can Tony trust?
DeleteNow, taking his lead from two councils peers with absolutely toxic people skills, a team player might be sacrificing himself here without realizing.
Really, who benefits from extending Barth's leadership for another 6 months?
The council will decide on Wednesday evening. You can kick and scream all you want, but the decision lies with them.
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DeleteLooks like Mike Andreen or Jerome Stocks is posting again. I hear Mike will be running Gaspar's election campaign again. That will cost Gaspar a lot of votes, even the votes of those who supported Kranz and/or Shaffer. Both Andreen and Stocks are super toxic.
That's good to hear that Andreen will run Gaspar's campaign. A sure loser.
DeleteI heard he's running Tony's, they been seen repeatedly having drinks.
Delete10:01 AM "Buchenvald?? Really. You had to go the concentration camp route?"
DeleteActually, comments about Stasi police and mind control seem totally appropriate for Encinitas right now. Talk about the 800 pound depraved gorilla in the room..
9:05 PM
ReplyDeleteBaloney on the not having a sitting mayor before the election excuse. What excuse will be used in 2016?
I don't think it is baloney. I think it is a prudent, wise choice and I agree with the comments made by the person who posted at 9:05.
ReplyDeleteTony will not win the election if he proves to run. The PV decision was a dumb one and ended his chances. Say good night Dalager.
ReplyDeleteA former Kranz supporter.
But does he get the kitchen remodel consolation prize?
DeleteWe need to stop here and be reminded that the mayor has no more or no less weight than the rest of the council members.
ReplyDeleteOne would think we are electing a "King" or a "Queen" when that is not the case.
Gaspar probably sees it as a "Queenship" but that is the way her brain functions. She may need therapy if things don't go her way.
Her Queen qualities outweighs dumbass big trophy spender Kranz anyday.
ReplyDeleteKranz is a dumb shit. Jumps on a trophy project. I like the guy but he is not a leader.
Kranz is like the counter part of Dalager - dumb and dumber!
Delete11:20 I see no "queen" qualities.
DeleteYazzsar, he done be impotent now!
DeleteRECALL SHAFFER AND KRANZ!
ReplyDeleteI recall unfulfilled promises by these people. Kranz is enamoured with himself, as he finally is recognized as something other than copy boy. Shaffer is still adjusting her academic mortar board hat in the mirror, proclaiming her brilliance in theoretical manners. She still is having complications arranging the paper clips in her executive desk... And Barth is getting sweaty palms thinking about all the tickets she used to punch at the upcoming Del Mar Fair!
DeleteWow, the personal unfounded attacks are loose and running free? There's enough to discuss in the strictly political realm without going there. You can see why Tony would run, he has a safe seat if he's loses. Teresa had prerogative to run, and when she stepped aside, he considered it.
DeleteWhether that's a politically wise decision is another thing. I think Teresa doesn't do her "legacy" any favors standing behind the move not to have Kristin as mayor, but you can't be shocked after all the wrangling between those two.
Muir as usual sits on the sideline and frankly Shaffer is sticking her foot into it by saying way too much. Once you open the door with social media, you can't shut it back down. When the conversation starts, the only way to end it is to delete the post, which then starts the conspiracy talk.
Lots to grind over in these moves, but meanwhile we still have to cost overruns on the Hall Park, the question of how to pay for PV and of course, the roads.
Methinks we're getting distracted by another celebutainment style brouhaha, filled with gossip and innuendo. Meanwhile, the city burns...
-Mr Green Jeans
Personal attacks like writing on a men's room wall,mean nothing .
ReplyDeleteMayors, council members and environmental lawyers can not cry victim when they themselves are seen as the perpetrators of abuse. This stuff is getting old.
ReplyDeleteCity council should focus on actual issues that are within the scope of their jobs like how to deal with our budget, the safety for Encinitas citizens, managing the CM and the CA, and planning issues.
Yes
ReplyDeletePromises made ,when Gaspar first appeared it was all about wayside horns in Cardiff. ----------- lots of talk by her zero action ---------and that theme continues ----------lots of talk but zero action
Are you suggesting the Council should purchase the horns when they can't even afford to pave the roads and have no $ for basic infrastructure maintenance?
Delete10:26 Right, Gaspar is big on words (ad nauseam) with little action. She, along with the others, voted some big spending. That is her record and it can not be erased.
DeleteGaspar is backed by developers and out of town money. I will not vote for her as our mayor.
Big on words little action?
DeleteBarth Shaffer Kranz Muir Gaspar- say communtiy characther and quality of life is important- ALL FIVE THEN LIE to every voter in the city on the Prop A Ballot Statement
Barth Shaffer Kranz Muir Gaspar all vote to approve $135,000 for a spin doctor knowing there is money for projects
Barth Shaffer kranz Muir Gaspar all side with developers and hihg density lawyer Marco 'anything for a buck' 'vote for Filner' ' now throw Filner ouit" "please pay me for my harassment suit" gozales- and vote against residents and safety at Desert Rose
All five council member need to be voted otu
1:46 Vote them all out!
Deleteyou mean the wayside horns that were funded until barth muir and gaspar stole the money with no plan to pay it back to pay for the park?
DeleteNo longer a friend of Tony Kranz. I'll share some of our secrets soon.
ReplyDeleteWe are not interested in rumors to hurt someone's reputation. I wouldn't be posting secrets or whatever you want to call them on a blog. Could be used against you if some one decided to take you to court. You sound like Dr. Lorri. She's back in town and posting under "anonymous" now. I guess she hasn't learned.
DeleteDidn't you just post under Anonymous? Can you blame her after the personal garbage she has had to endure? Let's leave that stuff off this blog...
Delete4:04 "We are not interested in rumors to hurt someone's reputation."
DeleteAre you being serious? If people in this city can't dig something up they just make something up. This city is fueled by gossip and slander.
The pattern is obvious,make a lot of noise about an issue YAK YAK YAK and Kristin can YAK YAK YAK ---------- and then do nothing which she is also very good at they are called sound bites .Maybe she learned this in school and I'll give her an A
ReplyDelete4:04-What's your problem with Lorri? How do you know she was out of town and now back in town? And, what is it she hasn't learned? Perhaps you might want to stop obsessing on her and say something about the topic that is being discussed? If not, you are no better than 3:28 who wants to share secrets about Tony. There are a lot of secrets in this town, and a lot if people know them, so they are not as secret as one might seem. You sound like a lawyer that has a hard on for Dr. L. Perhaps you are?
ReplyDelete10:18 when Dr. Lorri reads my comment, she will know exactly what I'm referring to. No need to concern you with the details and it does have to do with politics so it is relevant.
ReplyDeleteTony Kranz is the revised Dalager. Every council needs its Maynard!
ReplyDelete11:21-One word Bullshit!
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