Dear Encinitas community member and anyone concerned about the community of Encinitas,
Our organization, the Citizens Against Pot (CAP), has started a petition to object to the cultivation, manufacture and sale of marijuana within the city of Encinitas.
By standing against pot in Encinitas, we are all working to preserve Encinitas' communities by maintaining the character and property values in our residential and commercial districts; protecting children from easy access to marijuana and its harmful effects and promote the safety and character of our neighborhoods.
Please stand with us to stop commercial pot farms, manufacturers and dispensaries from entering our beautiful beach community—especially near our homes and schools! We encourage you to sign our petition and join parents, neighbors and all those concerned about the community of Encinitas in preventing our city from being used as an agricultural center for commercial marijuana farms. The character of our community should not be changed or redefined from the “Flower Capital of the World” and a beautiful coastal residential community to a commercialized marijuana agricultural community simply for the financial benefit of a few.
OUR GOAL IS "SIMPLE" To maintain a beach town community character that values a safe environment for our residents and our kids by asking the Encinitas City Council and our community to simply say "NO" to the cultivation and selling of marijuana within our community. PLEASE sign the petition if interested in defending Encinitas: http://www.citizensagainstpot.com/
On the other hand, we could take the position that we should be "ahead of the curve" and exploit a nascent market that allows our long time flower growers to stay in business and grow a different crop. I was speaking with one of the Cole descendants not to far back, and he remarked that they used to grow lima beans until they realized that growing houses was more lucrative. Isn't that the real choice here? Our community character includes agriculture so why destroy that? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't these sales be wholesale and not retail?
Orrrrrr. Teach your children well and do a little research on the subject. CAP needs to stay out of people lives. If someone wants to grow a now legal plant, they should have that right. If your kid sneaks onto a pot farm to steal weed, that's a parental problem not the farmers. Your kids bad choices are not our problem, that's your problem, keep it that way.
This might actually be a good thing. The value of POT agriculture land exceeds the cost of the Density Bonus McMansions and their lots. Houses are bought, torn down to be replaced by POT fields because there is more money in it. Encinitas' agriculture heritage is once again restored. Maybe plant a few lima beans for old time's sake.
Anyone who wants to grow personal quantities can. The issue is whether we want the pot industry in our town. There are lots of completely legal industries we don't want here - puppy mills, oil refineries, commercial circuses, DDT plant, and the list goes on. So the fact that it is legal (at least under state law) does not answer the question of whether we want it in our community. The pot industry brings in a lot of crime, and that is not even debatable. Are we willing to attract that element to our city so we can say we're "ahead of the curve"?
Good Marijuana isn't that hard to grow anywhere. The high value is because up until now it has been a clandestine operation. I don't see Encinitas becoming a leader in the weed field because Humboldt County weed has already done the research and our Ag operations will just be a place to grow their strains. Competition will drive the price way down and thus make McMansions more profitable. Encinitas is behind the curve and will stay there.
CAP is run by people who live in Carlsbad. Says so right on their web page. Please stop saying “our community,” and “our children” when talking about a town you don’t live in.
It’s none of my business what people grow in their greenhouse.
Also, none of the nightmare predictions you made if we passed medical canibus materialized.
I don’t use pot, and I still won’t if we approve local grow/distribution/sale. But it’s not my place to impose my lifestyle on my neighbors.
We could, however, be the home of craft weed and weed-to-table. That way we could slow down the craft beer drunks on 101 with some craft weed.
Growing communities have a transient and petty crime problems. Every broke hippy will come through here looking for a handout or weed work. They are not bad people for the most part but OB sucks as a place to live. While we have gone full potato trying to be like PB, it's still better than OB.
I like weed, I like the idea of more farm land and less McMansions, I'm not sure I like the idea of being a weed hub. Action sports hub, sure, clean beaches and lagoons, hell yeah. Those are reason enough to value Encinitas. Also, we don't have the housing for more farm workers, we would get sued again.
Would it be fair to allow a few farms to give it a go in a pilot program? cap the number of farms? Farms have to sell to residents for cheap?
The reefer madness alarmists unfailingly continue to deny the facts that have been proposed in Encinitas. Every week they should be corrected on their disinformation tactics.
We have one grower out of the five remaining in our city who did the research before ever coming to the city that addressed every one of the concerns that these people continue to ignore every week. That is the fact of what has been proposed by Dram and Ectar, sp? It is on the public record.
This proposal is about using a very small percentage of his operation for growing. It is not about dispensaries. It is wholesale only. There are no proposed retail outlets, as of yet. That is a completely separate issue that has not been brought forward by anyone, except by these confused people, attempting to bundle every fear they have over something that they know little about. They should educate themselves in the future so they don't appear as clueless as they are every week spreading their madness ignorance.
All their talk about diminishing property values is complete crap, and no proof of such will ever be shown from them or anyone who has any basis in reality.
Again, we have one courageous grower who wants to use 10%, if even that much, of his operation, to grow cannabis, and his competently researched security plans, cover every concern that this group ignores every week.
The weekly fearmongering is so easily called for what it is. The truth cannot be denied of what is actually being proposed in Encinitas. One grower in a wholesale operation only out of the five remaining. There will be no rush for others, because there are such a few still in business. There no retail outlets being proposed.
These clueless people need to address their own concerns directly with their own children, and not go after an adult usage legally permitted by the state of California. This is called Parenting. Ever heard of it? It doesn't seem to be so.
The POT growing proposal is all about mythical megabucks. Bob Echter's operation is already subsidized due to California's Williamson Act which provides big property tax reductions. If he still cannot make it growing flowers the small plot of ocean view coastal land has better uses and he will walk away with a fortune. POT grows just as well if not better in Humboldt county.
Is the proposal from the proponents that the City allow just this one "courageous grower" to use only 10% of his property for cultivation, or is the proposal that cultivation be allowed in any agricultural zone?
There are a lot of people and communities growing pot now. Within the next year or two its value will be somewhere in the range of spinach. This is all about money, and the cash just ain't gonna be there when it is most needed.
This blog confirms my belief that the current activist and blog trollers in OUR community are left-wing activist. It's time for the rest of us to now get involved!
It would be the bud flower and the overcrowded PD crowd if you let staff decide the issues. Get involved. its the only way to perserve our beaustiful coastal town.
2:54pm. The application for a permit to grow, is strictly about a single greenhouse grower, out of the five remaining in our town.
One of the other four spoke up in support of Bob Echter, and flatly stated he has no intention to ever do the same. That leaves three, and none of them have expressed any intent of follow Bob.
There will be no rush of other growing operations to come forward. This is just another lie being proffered by the group of those protesting this one application.
As much homework as Bob did before ever bringing this to the council, and researching all the security measures and runoff and smell measures that he would employ, and that this group continues to ignore every week, many that are out of town people, shows clearly that they are clueless and blinded by, dare I say, the same reefer madness syndrome that has been a joke for the last 80 years.
There also are no plans for any retail outlets, in spite of this groups railing every week at the council meetings about something that is not being pursued by anyone.
They, of course, will continue every chance they get to fight against an adult legally permitted use.
Their efforts would be better served by looking within themselves and their own parenting. Kids these days know when they are being manipulated by untruths. Speak to them honestly and the results will be what you hope for. Guidance is your responsibility. Don't add your blind accusations to what is well known. This is an adult issue. Explain your concerns with honesty, and your kids will see that you are genuine in your concern. The truth wins out in the end ,and the truth is always the easiest to maintain. Your kids will appreciate you all the more for your honesty on such an important matter their young lives. This example, if they choose to use it, will last a lifetime for them and their children to come.
Maybe the grower should change careers if it's not working out for him. There are other ways to make money without sacrificing the residents of an entire city. This smacks of shellfish motives and greed.
Sacrificing residents? Give it a rest. You are the joke that keeps on giving. Your choosing to spread your ignorance only reflects all the more poorly upon yourself.
You could be one of those developers looking to replace the last remaining greenhouse growers property into jam packed density bonus market rate housing.
What is being proposed has no relation to the claims of your groups mistruths you repeat before the council every week. The truth is so much easier to maintain. Try it. You might like it.
10:40am. Your ability to see past your own compromised limited mindset is all too evident every time you post such dribble.
There have been many who have spoken up in favor of this one grower, and clearly stated that they have chosen not to partake in cannabis themselves.
Should they too be run out of town? Are they undeserving of their opinions being expressed?
Your chosen ignorance shows every time you post. It is your way or the highway. I feel sorry for you and your kids if you have any. The rigid example you are setting will not serve you well as we go forward. Let it be. Educate yourself. You have much to learn. Just the facts will be eye opening. Charlatans like you have been the bane of freedom of choice for centuries.
Run me out town? Not a chance, fellow citizen. Run others out of town for supporting a single grower seeking a permit for a state sanctioned allowance to grow, not a chance. Talk about a small dinosaur brain, you have it in spades. Wake up.
If someone supports something you find objectionable, they should be run out of town. I doubt that will be successful in this land of the free. If it was, the land to the free would exist no longer.
12:38 You have anger issues. I can recommend a good therapist for someone like you. Grow up or get out of town. We don't need your kind to ruin our city. Now, go have a snort of your dope or whatever you do with the stuff.
The 3 stooges would rather cave in then fight a frivolous threat of litigation.
ReplyDeleteWhy worry? Soon you will be able to grow all the pot you want.
DeleteDear Encinitas community member and anyone concerned about the community of Encinitas,
ReplyDeleteOur organization, the Citizens Against Pot (CAP), has started a petition to object to the cultivation, manufacture and sale of marijuana within the city of Encinitas.
By standing against pot in Encinitas, we are all working to preserve Encinitas' communities by maintaining the character and property values in our residential and commercial districts; protecting children from easy access to marijuana and its harmful effects and promote the safety and character of our neighborhoods.
Please stand with us to stop commercial pot farms, manufacturers and dispensaries from entering our beautiful beach community—especially near our homes and schools! We encourage you to sign our petition and join parents, neighbors and all those concerned about the community of Encinitas in preventing our city from being used as an agricultural center for commercial marijuana farms. The character of our community should not be changed or redefined from the “Flower Capital of the World” and a beautiful coastal residential community to a commercialized marijuana agricultural community simply for the financial benefit of a few.
OUR GOAL IS "SIMPLE"
To maintain a beach town community character that values a safe environment for our residents and our kids by asking the Encinitas City Council and our community to simply say "NO" to the cultivation and selling of marijuana within our community.
PLEASE sign the petition if interested in defending Encinitas:
http://www.citizensagainstpot.com/
On the other hand, we could take the position that we should be "ahead of the curve" and exploit a nascent market that allows our long time flower growers to stay in business and grow a different crop. I was speaking with one of the Cole descendants not to far back, and he remarked that they used to grow lima beans until they realized that growing houses was more lucrative. Isn't that the real choice here? Our community character includes agriculture so why destroy that? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't these sales be wholesale and not retail?
Delete- The Sculpin
Orrrrrr. Teach your children well and do a little research on the subject. CAP needs to stay out of people lives. If someone wants to grow a now legal plant, they should have that right. If your kid sneaks onto a pot farm to steal weed, that's a parental problem not the farmers. Your kids bad choices are not our problem, that's your problem, keep it that way.
DeleteProperty values will go up, BTW.
This might actually be a good thing. The value of POT agriculture land exceeds the cost of the Density Bonus McMansions and their lots. Houses are bought, torn down to be replaced by POT fields because there is more money in it. Encinitas' agriculture heritage is once again restored. Maybe plant a few lima beans for old time's sake.
DeleteAnyone who wants to grow personal quantities can. The issue is whether we want the pot industry in our town. There are lots of completely legal industries we don't want here - puppy mills, oil refineries, commercial circuses, DDT plant, and the list goes on. So the fact that it is legal (at least under state law) does not answer the question of whether we want it in our community. The pot industry brings in a lot of crime, and that is not even debatable. Are we willing to attract that element to our city so we can say we're "ahead of the curve"?
DeleteGood Marijuana isn't that hard to grow anywhere. The high value is because up until now it has been a clandestine operation. I don't see Encinitas becoming a leader in the weed field because Humboldt County weed has already done the research and our Ag operations will just be a place to grow their strains. Competition will drive the price way down and thus make McMansions more profitable. Encinitas is behind the curve and will stay there.
DeleteCAP is run by people who live in Carlsbad. Says so right on their web page. Please stop saying “our community,” and “our children” when talking about a town you don’t live in.
DeleteIt’s none of my business what people grow in their greenhouse.
Also, none of the nightmare predictions you made if we passed medical canibus materialized.
I don’t use pot, and I still won’t if we approve local grow/distribution/sale. But it’s not my place to impose my lifestyle on my neighbors.
12:00 and 11:30 have some very good points.
DeleteWe could, however, be the home of craft weed and weed-to-table. That way we could slow down the craft beer drunks on 101 with some craft weed.
Growing communities have a transient and petty crime problems. Every broke hippy will come through here looking for a handout or weed work. They are not bad people for the most part but OB sucks as a place to live. While we have gone full potato trying to be like PB, it's still better than OB.
I like weed, I like the idea of more farm land and less McMansions, I'm not sure I like the idea of being a weed hub. Action sports hub, sure, clean beaches and lagoons, hell yeah. Those are reason enough to value Encinitas. Also, we don't have the housing for more farm workers, we would get sued again.
Would it be fair to allow a few farms to give it a go in a pilot program? cap the number of farms? Farms have to sell to residents for cheap?
The reefer madness alarmists unfailingly continue to deny the facts that have been proposed in Encinitas. Every week they should be corrected on their disinformation tactics.
ReplyDeleteWe have one grower out of the five remaining in our city who did the research before ever coming to the city that addressed every one of the concerns that these people continue to ignore every week. That is the fact of what has been proposed by Dram and Ectar, sp? It is on the public record.
This proposal is about using a very small percentage of his operation for growing. It is not about dispensaries. It is wholesale only. There are no proposed retail outlets, as of yet. That is a completely separate issue that has not been brought forward by anyone, except by these confused people, attempting to bundle every fear they have over something that they know little about. They should educate themselves in the future so they don't appear as clueless as they are every week spreading their madness ignorance.
All their talk about diminishing property values is complete crap, and no proof of such will ever be shown from them or anyone who has any basis in reality.
Again, we have one courageous grower who wants to use 10%, if even that much, of his operation, to grow cannabis, and his competently researched security plans, cover every concern that this group ignores every week.
The weekly fearmongering is so easily called for what it is. The truth cannot be denied of what is actually being proposed in Encinitas. One grower in a wholesale operation only out of the five remaining. There will be no rush for others, because there are such a few still in business. There no retail outlets being proposed.
These clueless people need to address their own concerns directly with their own children, and not go after an adult usage legally permitted by the state of California. This is called Parenting. Ever heard of it? It doesn't seem to be so.
The POT growing proposal is all about mythical megabucks. Bob Echter's operation is already subsidized due to California's Williamson Act which provides big property tax reductions. If he still cannot make it growing flowers the small plot of ocean view coastal land has better uses and he will walk away with a fortune. POT grows just as well if not better in Humboldt county.
DeletePooooor Bob Echter, have you seen his NEW MAGAHOUS???
DeleteYou mean #MAGA House?
DeleteHow about #MEGA (Make Encinitas Great Again!) House?
Make Encinitas Green Again. CAP needs a ying to their yang.
DeleteIs the proposal from the proponents that the City allow just this one "courageous grower" to use only 10% of his property for cultivation, or is the proposal that cultivation be allowed in any agricultural zone?
DeleteThere are a lot of people and communities growing pot now. Within the next year or two its value will be somewhere in the range of spinach. This is all about money, and the cash just ain't gonna be there when it is most needed.
ReplyDeleteThis blog confirms my belief that the current activist and blog trollers in OUR community are left-wing activist. It's time for the rest of us to now get involved!
ReplyDeleteSo get involved. Want a participation trophy or something?
DeleteMaybe Blakespear and Horvath can enjoy a photo op with 5:48. Horvath in particular preens like a peacock for the camera. Watch her next time.
DeleteHorvath should cover up those monstrous arms of hers. She needs a fashion consultant.
DeleteI would be nice to be the flower capital again rather than the McMansion capital. Even if the "flower" is a bud.
ReplyDeleteIt would be the bud flower and the overcrowded PD crowd if you let staff decide the issues. Get involved. its the only way to perserve our beaustiful coastal town.
ReplyDelete2:54pm. The application for a permit to grow, is strictly about a single greenhouse grower, out of the five remaining in our town.
ReplyDeleteOne of the other four spoke up in support of Bob Echter, and flatly stated he has no intention to ever do the same. That leaves three, and none of them have expressed any intent of follow Bob.
There will be no rush of other growing operations to come forward. This is just another lie being proffered by the group of those protesting this one application.
As much homework as Bob did before ever bringing this to the council, and researching all the security measures and runoff and smell measures that he would employ, and that this group continues to ignore every week, many that are out of town people, shows clearly that they are clueless and blinded by, dare I say, the same reefer madness syndrome that has been a joke for the last 80 years.
There also are no plans for any retail outlets, in spite of this groups railing every week at the council meetings about something that is not being pursued by anyone.
They, of course, will continue every chance they get to fight against an adult legally permitted use.
Their efforts would be better served by looking within themselves and their own parenting. Kids these days know when they are being manipulated by untruths. Speak to them honestly and the results will be what you hope for. Guidance is your responsibility. Don't add your blind accusations to what is well known. This is an adult issue. Explain your concerns with honesty, and your kids will see that you are genuine in your concern. The truth wins out in the end ,and the truth is always the easiest to maintain. Your kids will appreciate you all the more for your honesty on such an important matter their young lives. This example, if they choose to use it, will last a lifetime for them and their children to come.
Maybe the grower should change careers if it's not working out for him. There are other ways to make money without sacrificing the residents of an entire city. This smacks of shellfish motives and greed.
DeleteCorrection: Selfish motives.
DeleteSacrificing residents? Give it a rest. You are the joke that keeps on giving. Your choosing to spread your ignorance only reflects all the more poorly upon yourself.
ReplyDeleteYou could be one of those developers looking to replace the last remaining greenhouse growers property into jam packed density bonus market rate housing.
What is being proposed has no relation to the claims of your groups mistruths you repeat before the council every week. The truth is so much easier to maintain. Try it. You might like it.
Keep on smoking your dope because that is what you sound like 9:49. People like you should be run out of town.
Delete10:40am. Your ability to see past your own compromised limited mindset is all too evident every time you post such dribble.
ReplyDeleteThere have been many who have spoken up in favor of this one grower, and clearly stated that they have chosen not to partake in cannabis themselves.
Should they too be run out of town? Are they undeserving of their opinions being expressed?
Your chosen ignorance shows every time you post. It is your way or the highway. I feel sorry for you and your kids if you have any. The rigid example you are setting will not serve you well as we go forward. Let it be. Educate yourself. You have much to learn. Just the facts will be eye opening. Charlatans like you have been the bane of freedom of choice for centuries.
Run me out town? Not a chance, fellow citizen. Run others out of town for supporting a single grower seeking a permit for a state sanctioned allowance to grow, not a chance. Talk about a small dinosaur brain, you have it in spades. Wake up.
If someone supports something you find objectionable, they should be run out of town. I doubt that will be successful in this land of the free. If it was, the land to the free would exist no longer.
You really are full of shit.
Delete12:38 You have anger issues. I can recommend a good therapist for someone like you. Grow up or get out of town. We don't need your kind to ruin our city. Now, go have a snort of your dope or whatever you do with the stuff.
DeleteBy your own words, any expressed anger sounds more like it is coming from you than from the previous commenter. Look within yourself.
ReplyDelete10:26 In your humble opinion only, but so wrong.
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