I support Proposition F. It would be an interesting conversation on the blog, to say the least.
My reasons for supporting it are quite simple. Marijuana works for pain and nausea, especially with cancer patients as well as people like me who have certain conditions where pain is always there. I can easily get it, but some people cannot. And, to say we support it, but not in our own backyard is another case of NIMBYism. This town is being run over by corporate interests who get their financial and legal stuff buried in mounds of paperwork at City Hall (like ERGA) and then there are the Marr's, who could not afford an attorney, and many of us have offered to pay for one. They are both very proud people and won't accept our money.
However, it is the right thing to do. My father was a WW2 veteran (Marines) and lived in Oregon when he died. He was in excruciating pain and all of the prescription meds, including OXY, Fentynol, etc. didn't work. I drove up and asked him to try the marijuana for his pain and nausea. He had cancer. He said he didn't want to break the law. This was man who had smoked 3 packs of cigarettes a day since he was 18 and that was OK, but to smoke marijuana wasn't. However, he was in so much pain he tried it. It worked so well he was amazed. Unfortunately, he couldn't get it in Oregon and I couldn't ship it. But, the point is that even if he could have gotten it, he couldn't drive anymore, so where would he have gotten it? He lived in a small town in Oregon, about the size of Encinitas.
So, it is legal to buy cigarettes and alcohol in our community, and medical marijuana is legal, so why can't we buy it in our own town? Tax it, give the City some income it desperately needs (more than many even know) and let the people with cards in. So many people are talking about urban farming these days. I can assure you that many of those farmers are growing it. So Kranz, Shaffer and Blakespear would seem rather hypocritical to not support it. If one can grow up to 5 plants, which is OK by law, then why can't they sell it in our own community?
Saturday, September 13, 2014
Will NIMBYs block patients' access to medical marijuana?
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As a pain patient I agree totally with the post. The argument Council uses is people can get it somewhere else. That's true. Therefore, why not here. Are we too good to have dispensaries here? We have so mangy bars, especially downtown, that it makes my head reel. I was at a restaurant the other night on 101 in Old Encinitas. At 8:30 PM the noise was so loud, from mainly the new hipster bars, that I can't image what citizens who live close to them must feel like. And, the Union (Marco's favorite) was also loud. Liquor and cigarettes are easy to get in Encinitas.
ReplyDeleteMedical Marijuana is not illegal. Two states have passed laws making marijuana entirely legal, and the Feds have said they are not going to prosecute. So, it isn't lawsuits the City Council, who is trying to make sure we don't have "pot shops" as they call it, is afraid of. They say, we'll have all sorts of crime, loitering, etc. Well, my friends, we already have enough drunks. And, many of them are under 21, yet the City does nothing. The Encinitas hospitality Group is a joke. It's like letting the fox into the henhouse. And the full time code enforcement person that was hired is no longer an employee.
Ironic, we have a communications person that doesn't do anything that most of us can see, but a full time code enforcement person that could have actually gone downtown and see what is really going on, is let go. Strange times.
Yes, it is NIMBYism at its best. The establishments would be licensed, have pure, quality marijuana, people would have to be 18 and have medical marijuana cards (only given out by M.D.'s). So, in reality it would be like a pharmacy. How many pharmacies do we have in this town, that with a prescription one can get Oxycontin, Vicodin, and various other addictive medications. There are controlled and regulated. Yet, an herb, without as many side effects as the addictive drugs, cannot be sold legally in this town. Sure sounds like many people have no idea what they are talking about, especially the Encinitas City Council who is lobbying for this to not pass. So, if you like the other great decisions our council has made, then I guess you don't want this either. It would be a nice way to raise some money to pay for all of the things the Council has spent out money on, such as PV, a 60 million dollar park.
However, this is a democracy. Prop. F got on the ballot. Think about it. Why not try it? If it doesn't work, then shut it down.
Second paragraph-I should have said "Medical Marijuana is legal"
ReplyDeleteI'll vote yes. The more "legal" freedoms for society the better.
ReplyDeletePS- I've never smoked pot.
10:53- You make a good argument. When I first heard about this I was going to vote No. However, I have changed my mind. I am really tired of the City Council telling us what we should do, how we should be happy because they spend our money so wisely, and blah, blah, blah. So, perhaps just to spite them, if nothing else, I think I will vote Yes on this Prop. Maybe it will help us pay for the many expenditures they have incurred for us and future generations. It really is just a matter of time before marijuana will be legal in all 50 states. Hell, Tony was in front of the State's regulation of paper bags (at least that's what he is bragging about) so why not be in front of marijuana? I think its a great idea, now that I actually think about it, instead of just responding with my "gut".
ReplyDeleteIf marijuana is so great and takes away pain then let the doctors prescribe it and get it legally through a pharmacy like all other medications.
ReplyDeleteIt does NOT and I repeat NOT cure cancer. Any fool that believes that needs some education. There are plenty of other meds to help with pain. I have been through it and I know what I am talking about.
11:49- Doctors DO prescribe it. Just because pharmacies don't carry it doesn't mean they don't prescribe it. So, think of a dispensary as a pharmacy. One needs to have a prescription from an M.D., they have to be 18 years of age, and they have to have a medical condition that warrants using it.
Delete2:41 Explain to me how people are in possession of cards that do not have a medical condition. If a doctor prescribed the card illegally, he or she can lose their license to practice.
DeletePharmacies must meet a different criteria than dispensaries.
I will be waiting for your answer.
3:13- As a physician, I will tell you that no one in their right mind these days, with all of the enforcement agencies breathing down our backs, is going to risk giving a card to a person unless they have a legitimator medical condition. So, I have no idea wheat you are speaking of. If you know of a physician that is just giving cards to anyone, I suggest you report that physician to the Medical Board of Calif. They will investigate. Please let us know what you find out.
Delete5:02 Some person posted on this blog that some of their friends have cards and they are not sick. Where did they get them? It had to be from a physician. I would like to know how they got them myself.
DeleteSeems to me cards are being given without a medical reason. Maybe as a physician you wouldn't do it, but that's not to say there aren't some that would. There are "bad" ones in every profession, including yours.
Show me a single case where a patient with chronic pain in Encinitas was unable to obtain a supply of canabis, and you will have my vote.
ReplyDelete12:28-The problem with your statement is that people who cannot get cannabis in Encinitas are not going to "out" themselves. They might end up like the Marr's, or others who have been persecuted by the D.A. or the City Attorney. As a physician I know several of my patients who cannot get it in Encinitas, as they are older and don't read City Beat, or go online. If we had a dispensary in Encinitas, it would be easier for them to obtain. Of course the elderly, who are the majority in Encinitas, don't count for much. The new money in New Encinitas is where it's at. Thanks you Andreen for your amazing non-contribution to your former city. Why don't you help Oceanside. I hear they have troubles of their own and are much more developer friendly.
Delete"The Marrs" have been mentioned a lot here lately. Can someone please provide links or other background info? Did it involve a drug offense?
Delete12:28-Not the point. Why would a person in Encinitas, with a valid medical marijuana card, have to go out of our city? No one has to go out of Encinitas for a prescription for vicodin or oxycontin.
ReplyDelete11:49- No one says it cures cancer. It only helps with the nausea and pain. Since I am one of those people, I wish it did cure cancer. However, it doesn't-you are right about that. But, it does help deal with it. And, I can't always get it as I am older and a senior citizen. I can't expect my kids to keep driving all over hell and gone to get it for me. Why can't they get it here, where they and i live. I'm voting YES!
12:37,
DeleteIt's exactly the point.
If I need level 1 trauma center care, I have to leave Encinitas. If I need chemo, I have to leave Encinitas. If I get bent on a SCUBA dive, I can't find a hyperbaric chamber here.
Beyond that point, people don't have to leave town to get canabis. I could get a copy of City Beat and have it delivered in an hour if I wanted.
11:49am What you so apparently do not know or are conveniently ignoring is that no one ever stated it cures cancer. You pulled that out of your +++. Why, is another issue entirely.
ReplyDeleteIgnorance abounds and I heard all those old biddies last wed. trying to prevent the public from even having the choice to vote on it. Those same people travel everywhere they can to prevent the public from ever having the right to vote and we do have that right. If more than one of them were from Encinitas I would be surprised. I believe one woman said she was from here but all the others were not.
There were so many inaccuracies brought out that I thought I was watching Reefer Madness from the early 30's. The early 30's! That is where their progression of knowledge has ended about this natural healing plant.
That studies to show its efficacy are not out is only too obvious. Anything official that might show beneficial aspects would never be allowed to be funded. If it were, then possibly it could be sold as you wish in pharmacies at some point.
This herb should never have been classified as a schedule one narcotic to begin with. Comparing it to heroin or opiates or meth or any number of others on that list defeats all efforts at legitimacy. Reefer Madness indeed. The only madness is the preaching against a healing natural substance whose side effects are negligible compared to all the others on that list.
Thankfully this is out of their hands and into ours.
This issue is about money and politics. As usual the needs and wants of the public go by the wayside. The money side is big pharm and the political side is for those who profess to be "protecting your children" from the evil menace that's already been in your hood forever.
DeleteAs an ironic side note: I have known several prominent republicans in this town and I can honestly say 80% of them smoked regularly while not hesitating to support anti-MJ candidates.
Cabezon
Hypocrisy at its finest, Cabezon. It would be interesting to find out just how many people have been arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol vs. driving under the influence of marijuana. A Chula Vista assemblyman (Hueso) comes to my mind right about now. He got arrested for a DUI and got a slap on the wrist.
DeleteWhat hypocrisy ? Oh, I get it, I said "republicans" and you rostra guys are real touchy about that. My point was that some Republicans I know smoke pot yet support candidates that use anti-pot rhetoric to scare up votes from parents . I've seen democrats do the same thing. It's called saying anything to get elected.
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But wouldn't it lead to heroin use and dancing?
ReplyDelete12:51- Yea, I kind of forgot about that. I remember the movies "Reefer Madness". Guess I should have paid more attention.
ReplyDelete12:46-Good comment. The old saying marijuana leads to heroin use bordered on absurdity then, and it does now. If anyone truly believes that in this day and age, all they have to do is Google it. The City Council, such proponents of agriculture, and Catherine Blakespeare who wants her land to have lots of fruit tress and other things, is part of the problem. It takes a lot of water to keep fruit trees and vegetables alive. We are in a drought. On the other hand, marijuana can be grown hydroponically. Perhaps some are afraid we might rise up and revolt! I don't know whether we should have them or not, but since this Council is so damned sure they don't want it, I'm going to vote for it. I am tired of being told what do to by this Council. Thanks for the post Wc.
And one more thing. Where is the outrage at all these vapor stores who do much more damage and allow these users to walk around openly smoking these unknown substances
ReplyDelete.Talk about a drug delivery device, these are it. If those people wednesday had been true and really cared about our youth having access, they would have spoken out against those in our midst. Hypocritical much?, you bet.
The fact that these vapor store owners claim they are getting people off of tobacco is about as false as they come. They are not in the business of reducing the numbers of smokers, on the contrary, they are enticing more and that is their motivation for being in business. That they are allowed in our town is wrong. Some of the descriptions of shops from those prudes wednesday fit perfectly with the environs of vapor stores.
These vapor stores attraction to our youth should have them banned here and everywhere.
From Web M.D.
ReplyDeleteMarijuana Relieves Chronic Pain, Research Shows
Three Puffs a Day Helped People With Nerve Pain, Study Finds
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By Kathleen Doheny
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Aug. 30, 2010 -- Three puffs a day of cannabis, better known as marijuana, helps people with chronic nerve pain due to injury or surgery feel less pain and sleep better, a Canadian team has found.
''It's been known anecdotally," says researcher Mark Ware, MD, assistant professor of anesthesia and family medicine at McGill University in Montreal. "About 10% to 15% of patients attending a chronic pain clinic use cannabis as part of their pain [control] strategy," he tells WebMD.
But Ware's study is more scientific -- a clinical trial in which his team compared placebo with three different doses of cannabis. The research is published in CMAJ, the Canadian Medical Association Journal.
The new study ''adds to the trickle of evidence that cannabis may help some of the patients who are struggling [with pain] at present," Henry McQuay, DM, an emeritus fellow at Balliol College, Oxford University, England, writes in a commentary accompanying the study.
Marijuana for Pain Relief: Study Details
Ware evaluated 21 men and women, average age 45, who had chronic nerve pain (also called neuropathic pain). A typical example, Ware tells WebMD, is a patient who had knee surgery and during the course of the operation the surgeon may have had no choice but to cut a nerve, leading to chronic pain after the surgery.
Ware's team tried three different potencies of marijuana, with the highest a concentration at 9.4% tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) herbal cannabis. He also tested 2.5% and 6% THC.
''Each person was in the study for two months, and used all four strengths [including placebo]," Ware says. He rotated them through the four strengths in different orders, and they didn't know which they were using.
The cannabis was put into gelatin capsules, then put into the bowl of a pipe. Each person was told to inhale for five seconds while the cannabis was lit, hold the smoke in their lungs for 10 seconds, and then exhale.
They did this single puff three times a day for five days for each of the doses and the placebo. The participants were allowed to continue on their routine pain medications.
After each of the five-day trials, participants rated their pain on a scale of zero to 10, with 10 being the worst.
The highest dose, 9.4%, provided relief, Ware says. "They reduced their pain down to 5.4," Ware says. "Those on placebo were at 6.1."
Although that difference may seem modest, ''any reduction in pain is important," Ware says.
The concentration of 9.4%, Ware says, is lower than that found in marijuana on the street. "On the street, it's 10% to 15% THC, more or less," he says.
"We've shown again that cannabis is analgesic," Ware says. "Clearly, it has medical value."
Side effects were reported, including headache, dry eyes, numbness, cough, and a burning sensation in the area with pain.
The cannabis relieves pain, Ware says, by ''changing the way the nerves function."
Marijuana for Pain Relief: Second Opinion
Marijuana's pain-relieving potential is worth investigating, McQuay says in his commentary.
He points out the average daily pain relief was lower, ''but not hugely so," for people taking the highest concentration of marijuana.
And this was in 2010 in Canada. I can guarantee you as soon as either Big Pharma or Big Tobacco get its act together, marijuana will be legal in all 50 states. It's hard to do research on mj in this country do to the government. However, UCSD did do a study on MDMA (also known as E on the street) and found out it helped people with depression It was also a controlled study. When I asked how long it took the researchers to get government approval to even do the study, the researchers said 12 years.
DeleteHow long does marijuana relieve pain? A few hours, 12 hours, 24 hour? Once the pain returns, the more you need. Just like everything else, the more you take the more your body become immune to it and it becomes less effective.
ReplyDeleteit's a money making deal for the druggies as far as I'm concerned. Just a nice way to get "high" for awhile.
I'm voting NO on this Prop. and I'm glad the city council saw through it.
very insightful so would you rather have illegal drug transactions occurring in Encinitas?
Delete1:48 If there illegal drug transactions (which there are plenty of now), don't fear they will get caught and prosecuted.
Delete4:14 That's exactly my point. Why waste resources pursuing some thing that's already happening in Encinitas with little obvious consequence.
DeleteAs with most of their opposition to anything other than the status quo, what the NIMBYs here most likely fear is the potential influx of poorer, darker customers.
1L32-How long does Vicodin or Oxycontin relieve pain? And the difference is Vicodin and Oxy are highly addictive and do require more to take. However, marijuana works on different receptor sites in the brain and is not addictive. Don't listen to the propaganda. Read up on it and learn something. If you want to vote NO, that is your right. I just would love people to be a bit informed before making statement like you made.
ReplyDeleteVicodin, Oxycontin, Fentonal, all work on the opiate receptors in the brain. Therefore, the more you take the more you will have to take. However, marijuana works a completely different way and targets different receptor sites. I could tell you how, but I would bet it would make no difference. And, let me be the first to inform you that many council members, both current and past, smoke or eat it. This is not the reason they are opposed to it. They want more bars, more party busses, because they see that as the real revenue. Isn't is odd that they let go the full time person that was going to oversee the bars? Why?
That's weird they canned her. Being near 2nd st there was hope and signs of improvement with her but now back to same awful scene.
DeleteI think they are preppin the E strreet cafe for a weed shop,b elcome to the land of Kranzfusion
DeleteSpeaking of party busses, I thought Encinitas had banned them from parking downtown. I was there the other night and guess what? 2 party busses parking on the main street, taking up a lot of room. So much for enforcement. I would rather have stoners anyway than drinking fools. And, we all know Kranz would rather have bars, so there it is. Kranz, the candidate for bars, bees, bags, and fools!
ReplyDeleteIt seems anyone frequenting the bars as much as Tony does should remove himself from voting on bar topics as clearly there is a conflict.
ReplyDeleteBan alcohol, tobacco and premarital fucking!
ReplyDeleteSo, if your small child (say 5 or 6 years old) has cancer, would you tell him to light up a marijuana weed?
ReplyDeleteIf someone "high" on marijuana kills you by accident on the road or one of your family members, is that ok with you?
This drug is just as bad as alcohol and cigarettes. It can't have any good ingredients in it, otherwise, it would have been prescribed by doctors and made legal all over this world.
You all read things and believe everything you read. Don't let the druggies get richer because you are too stupid to realize what is going on.
Congratulations, 4:19, you are an ignorant, emblematic hypocrite!
Delete4:19- "This drug is just as bad as alcohol and cigarettes". So, using your argument, we should not allow alcohol or cigarettes to be sold in Encinitas? Is that what you are saying?
Delete2:45, 2 outta 3 aint bad, Avo.
Delete4:57 Yes, absolutely. I wish they would ban alcohol and cigarettes. In fact, CVS has taken the lead by not selling cigarettes and I'm sure others will follow.
DeleteAlcohol kills your brain cells and works hard on killing your liver. Just keep drinking and one day you'll wish you hadn't touched the stuff. Besides, it is not a good example for children.
If you want to call me ignorant, that is fine. Hypocrite is stretching it because I have not waivered from my first opinion which is marijuana, alcohol and cigarettes are all bad for you. I don't use any of them, so I can not be hypocrite.
Go right on ruining your body - it's your choice.
6:35 There's use and abuse. You have heard of Prohibition, right? Animal fat is bad for you too, as are dozens of other things you eat and do daily. But go ahead, be self-righteous.
Delete6:57 Ewwww....you eat animal fat?
Deleteseared dead flesh. Ewwwww
Delete4:19- WOW-You must be an angry person to post something this stupid. First, no one is saying give it to a 5 or 6 year old. The legal age is 18. However, let me tell you that ask any high school kid these days about how much they drink and where they get it. They are drinking alcohol at earlier ages and they are getting it from their parents. A lot of parents these days want to be "cool". And one way to do it is let their kids drink. I have a neighbor, who had a party the other night for her daughter who had turned 16. There was plenty of alcohol and the parent told me that she was a "cool parent' because she let the kids drink. As the kids were driving off, about 1AM, I shuttered to think of them driving. Would they be killed, or would they kill someone else with their drunk driving?
ReplyDeleteMarijuana is not a drug. It is a natural substance and comes from a plant. It does not need to be altered in any way, shape or form. And, it is legal in many parts of the world, including 2 states in the US.
You don't have to use it, or even like it. But, when you make such ridiculous statements, you add credibility to the people who are in favor of having dispensaries. So much misinformation, so little research. Try using your education to learn something, rather than just think you are smart.
4:54 Thanks for your input, but since you do not know me or my profession I would have to say that you are not as educated as you think.
DeleteFrom the National Institute on Drug Abuse and I quote: "Marijuana is the most common illicit drug used in the United States. " This quote is from January 2014.
Further: "The highest density of cannabinoid receptors is found in parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thinking, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement. Marijuana overactivates the endocannabinoid system, causing the “high” and other effects that users experience. These effects include altered perceptions and mood, impaired coordination, difficulty with thinking and problem solving, and disrupted learning and memory.
Marijuana use may have a wide range of effects, particularly on cardiopulmonary and mental health.
Marijuana smoke is an irritant to the lungs, and frequent marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems experienced by tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections.
One study found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than those who don’t smoke marijuana, mainly because of respiratory illnesses. It is not yet known whether marijuana smoking contributes to risk for lung cancer.
Marijuana also raises heart rate by 20-100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug. This risk may be greater in older individuals or in those with cardiac vulnerabilities.
A number of studies have linked chronic marijuana use and mental illness. High doses of marijuana can produce a temporary psychotic reaction (involving hallucinations and paranoia) in some users, and using marijuana can worsen the course of illness in patients with schizophrenia.
A series of large studies following users across time also showed a link between marijuana use and later development of psychosis. This relationship was influenced by genetic variables as well as the amount of drug used, drug potency, and the age at which it was first taken—those who start young are at increased risk for later problems."
So since my statements are ridiculous.....smoke away and have fun with it.
6:48 is the producer of "Reefer Madness." Propaganda of the first order!
Delete4:54, your are wrong. Marijuana is undeniably a drug. Your argument that it is not because it is "natural" and comes from a plant ignores 3500 years of human experience obtaining medicines from natural sources.
DeleteOpium is plant-derived, as are the following: atropine, cocaine, codeine, colchicine, digitalin, digoxin, ephedrine, etoposide, mor[hine, nicotine, ouabain, physostigmine, pilocarpine, pseudophedrine, reserpine, scopolomine, strychnine, taxol, theophylline, topotecan, vinblastine...
That's all I can do off the top of my head without more plant-derived caffeine.
I work in a rehab center and I find this post interesting and has made me think of what drugs we help people get off of. First, I will say, not one rehab place tries to get people off using tobacco. If they did, many of us would be out of business, as all of our patients are free to leave the program anytime they want. None are court mandated.
ReplyDeleteI cannot remember, in all of my years as an addiction specialist, one person who came to rehab for marijuana. I've seen alcoholics trying to get sober, along with heroin addicts, crack addict, meth addicts, cocaine addicts, and prescription drug addicts. So I have to deduce that either all the people who are smoking or eating marijuana are either not having work, family or health problems stemming from marijuana, or that they are all lazy bums who want to get stoned all day. Or somewhere in between.
I really don't care whether we have dispensaries in Encinitas, but since I do know that it can help many people with medical issues, I have to problem with how they would be set up. So, I will vote Yes on Prop. F out of compassion for those who really cannot get it.
Yes pot heads are weak willed depressed people who want to escape. You know it's true but denial likes a group and an audience.
DeleteSure, 7:12, I guess that's why John Prine wrote "Ilegal Smile." I've seen a lot of mellow, laughing, peaceful, loving stoned people.
DeleteHave another beer or shot of tequila.
Logic removed 7:21 from the Bong show.
Delete7:12, are diabetics weak-willed, too? They are addicted to medicine to escape from high blood sugar, and the amount usually goes up over time. Depression and addiction are diseases, and your attitude is quite harmful to people with these conditions. People with mental illnesses are not subhuman.
DeleteStrange as your second sentiment is, I have to grudgingly admit that you are correct. Denial often likes a groups and an audience. If you need proof, just take a look at all the full parking lots in Encinitas on Sunday Mornings.
Plenty of people are addicted to talking to themselves with their eyes closed and, sometimes with their hands in the air at group sing-alongs. Supposedly, this odd behaviour allows them to contact an invisible cloud being who will make everything o.k. and smite their enemies. If those people are mumbling about the "right" invisible cloud being, they are warmly welcomed to communities, even though their dispensaries pay no taxes. Then they get into cars and drive. Perfectly sensible stuff.
For helping suffering I think it is great. Cancer patients benefit, that's proven it seems. But let's be real, 95% of these cards are for leisure use, not some dire medical need.
Delete6:29, I agree with your interpretation, this law is a bit of a joke. Somehow though, recreational cannabis use hasn't caused the world to stop spinning on its axis. Crime is down and the roads are safer everywhere, including places where cannabis is more readily available. Go figure...
DeleteDecriminalization for everyone and ready access to safe, clean dispensaries is the answer.
From the National Institute on Drug Abuse:
ReplyDeleteCurrently, the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) has a monopoly on the supply of research-grade marijuana, but no other Schedule I drug, that can be used in FDA-approved research. NIDA uses its monopoly power to obstruct research that conflicts with its vested interests. MAPS had two of its FDA-approved medical marijuana protocols rejected by NIDA, preventing the studies from taking place. MAPS has also been trying without success for almost four years to purchase 10 grams of marijuana from NIDA for research into the constituents of the vapor from marijuana vaporizers, a non-smoking drug delivery method that has already been used in one FDA-approved human study
Sorry, I should have added on my 6:55 post, that that information came from Wikipedia. It is a direct quote. And I'm not even stoned!
DeleteAnything used in excess is not good. Just because someone works in a rehab center and hasn't dealt with marijuana addiction yet, can not disqualify that it is not good for you. It will take years of use and abuse before you start seeing people have problems.
DeleteWikipedia is a very weak resource.
DeletePeople have untimely deaths because they don't know they may have a heart condition. Marijuana speeds your heart rate up to a pace that may not be tolerable. So, if you are willing to take a chance on marijuana, I say be my guest.
DeleteMen are such "woosies" when it comes to pain any way.
Preach on, 7:35!
Delete7:44, I fixed your post for you.
DeletePeople have untimely deaths because they don't know they may have a heart condition. Sexual activity speeds your heart rate up to a pace that may not be tolerable. So, if you are willing to take a chance on sexual activity, I say be my guest."
6:24 People take chances and yes sexual activity is one of them. I can think of many others. You didn't fix my post. You just added to it. Have your morning drug yet?
DeleteMuch of the debate here misses the point.
ReplyDeleteWhat we approved in the state-wide prop was for medical canabis. Not recreational. The arguments, for or against, that relate canabis to alcohol and cigarettes are completely off point. Alcohol and tobacco, like them or not, are not medicinal. There are no credible claims that they are effective remedies for any medical condition. They are purely for enjoyment, and are not controlled or endorsed by anyone in the medical profession.
Canabis has been legalized ONLY to the extent that it may alieviate suffering in patients with specific medical diagnoses.
The debate about prop F is only about what is reasonably necessary to make canabis available to medical patients.
The critical question is: what is the best way to make canabis available to legitimate and verifiable medical diagnoses? Do we need storefronts for that, or is home delivery or pharmacy a better option?
How is it, 8:26, that you don't know how to spell cannabis?
DeleteOh no the grammar nut has returned. Usual non informative comments. Why bother?
DeleteI am the grammar nut. That was apparently an acolyte of mine.
DeleteHere's a clue: Grammar and spelling are not the same thing.
Delete10:43 Only you would make an issue of that. Try getting a life so you can be a happy person. You sound so unhappy and depressed.
DeleteGet out and take a walk in the sun today, but use sun screen.
11:13 It's an indisputable fact that grammar and spelling are not the same thing. Muddy writing indicates muddy thinking. Simplistic presumptions like yours indicate an underdeveloped mind.
DeleteOK, someone tell me how to go about getting home delivery. I have a card, but I don't have a car and I don't have a lot of money to go up to Oceanside, where I think there is a place to buy. So, please I am begging anyone. Give me a site on the Internet so I can order. Thank you.
Delete11:45 I guarantee you barely made it through college.
Delete12:13 I doubt any one will take your bait.
Delete3:24- It's not bait. I really have no idea how to get it delivered. If it is legal than what is the problem with someone telling me something I cannot figure out?
Delete5:06 Try a "Google" search.
DeleteBack on topic if you all don't mind. This is not about whether you think marijuana is good or bad for you. It is about whether we should allow dispensaries in Encinitas. I argue that it may have to do with zoning ordinances. If a place is zoned medical, and marijuana is being used for medical reason, then they must be allowed in.
ReplyDeleteFor example, many years ago in Cardiff, way before tattoos were "in" someone wanted to put a tattoo parlor in the center, where the VG's Bakery is. It went to Council. And because it was zoned for this kind of thing, the citizens who fought it, lost. Interestingly enough it has not been a bad neighbor. And, it provides revenue for the City. All of the same arguments about "pot shops" were used by the citizens, in this case. However, time has proven that the tattoo parlor operates within the law, there are not a bunch of hooligans running around at all hours (as was predicted they would be). So, if a tattoo parlor, and at the time they were consider BAD, was let in, then shouldn't a dispensary be let in? In fact, there might be a lawsuit if it wasn't, as long as the area was zoned for it.
8:27- Another lawsuit for Marco. Oh hell, I'll vote for it just so I don't have to see his face. Sabine will waste our money, and Marco will defend the owner of the dispensary due to zoning. I can see it now. If this doesn't pass, get ready to pay Sabine a lot more money, as we already know all 5 council members have made it clear they don't want the dispensaries. Therefore they will fight, and fight, and fight. And they will say it is for us. Because, of course, no one wants a dispensary in Encinitas. We only want to be first at everything else. Go Little League.
DeleteI'm dying to see how all of these so called "lovely" tattoos look on people's skin when they start aging, their skin starts sagging, and all the tattoos will look, well, let's just say pretty damn "droopy".
DeleteOh, and to the person who works in the rehab center and has not seen someone there for marijuana addiction, perhaps you need to do more research as there are treatment centers for this very thing throughout the country.
And, back to the topic being discussed. No, I do not believe Encinitas should be clothed with a bunch of medical dispensaries. We have enough bars that already make our city not that intriguing. This is not the kind of place I want for my kids or grand kids.
I will be voting NO on this Proposition and I am certain that it will not pass by votes of informed citizens.
8:27 PM
DeleteA little history. Tattoo parlors are prohibited in the downtown specific plan. Unfortunately, because Cardiff's plan was still in the planning stage, the city allowed the tattoo parlor in on the loophole. The council vote on the appeal was 3-2.
The owners have changed 2,3, or 4 times since the first approval.
Conditions that were placed on the permit weren't always followed by the owners. After a while people tired of asking the city to enforce the conditions. It will also happen with the marijuana dispensaries as it is happening with the bars.
10:12-The tattoo parlor has had several owners, which were not the original conditions of the permit. It was supposed to only have 1 However, in 2011, our favorite attorney, Marco Gonzales, went again to the city and demanded that the section about one owner be eliminated, as it violated some law. That is the reason it has been the way that it has been the last few years. Again, the City and Sabine were struck by the now infamous Marco. It has been said that Sabine actually asks him for advice.
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ReplyDeleteThe tattoo parlor in Cardiff is providing revenue for the city? Does the city tax for each tattoo?
I voted for Prop 215, because I believe patients with late stage cancers and chronic pain should have legal access to a drug that might help them.
ReplyDeleteAt the time, the arguments against 215 often centered on a slippery slope argument that medical cannabis was a step toward full recreational normalization (pun intended).
I voted for 215 anyway, because the needs of the real medical patients took priority. To me, Prop F is a realization of the slippery slope.
How many patients do you think there really are in Encinitas with late stage cancer, or chronic pain that cannot be managed with traditional drugs? Answer: not many. Certainly not enough to support a single dispensary, and allow them to pay rent, employees, utilities, etc. The obvious problem is that over 90% of the people with medical cannabis cards are frauds who just want to get high. I did not vote for 215 to support these people, and neither did most voters.
The only way retail dispensaries work from a financial perspective, is if we are intending to support recreational use. Without recreational users, the volume of sales would be too low to pay the bills.
I will vote no on F, because I believe the real medical patients have appropriate access today, and I do not support the expansion into recreational use.
Terribly selfish and unsympathetic. If you were one of those cancer patients, you'd be advocating and voting for dispensaries.
DeleteOn Oct. 13 of this year, the DEA the make Vicodin at Schedule 2 drug. What that means for pain patients is that it will now be a triplicate RX for doctors. Many are already running scared of the DEA, and already many pain patients are trying to figure out what do when they can no longer get these drugs 7:59 is speaking of. Many will figure out a way to go to Mexico and pay doctors there for a script. Some with have severe withdrawals from the drugs doctors will no longer prescribe out of fear of the DEA. Scripps is already saying they will be scaling back on who gets these drugs. So, unfortunately, many pain patients will be left with no alternatives, except to suffer needless pain. The DEA is now telling doctors how to practice and what to prescribe. You will see a rise in illegal activity of these pain meds, which are much more dangerous than marijuana.
ReplyDeleteHowever, 7:59 is really saying he or she is a Nimby. This is not a slippery slope. If he or she voted for 215, then to say you now know it will be recreational users (which no one can know until it occurs) you are a NIMBY. Plain and simple. Own it. And, if you or a loved on cannot find any relief through traditional means, and you don't know where to get marijuana, so be it. Not in my backyard seems to be the prevailing theme in this community, unless you have money to build homes, pollute creeks, have a garden, fruit trees or bees,or want to add to the kill rate by creating more drinking establishments.
Will it affect me? Of course not. I'm a person who has the resources, and money to get it. It will affect, as usual, the veterans, the disfranchised, the poor, etc. But, oh well, they are no longer of need to the powers that be. Soylent Green is the wave of the future. So much for Shaffer's compassion.
Vina wants the tax revenue and will push for it. Think twice council, will citizen productivity increase while we toke away much of the day? We can't just hang at bars all day ya know.
ReplyDeleteOur country is truly brainwashed. Oxy and vicoden are somehow given a pass because they have the sacred corporate label on them while weed is considered to be something dirty that lesser people use. I've smoke daily for forty-five years.I'm in a highly technical job that requires excellent memory and multi-tasking skills.I'm over sixty and still at the top of my game. My house is paid off and I have no debt. I feel like such a loser for smoking weed(ha). The anti-weed posts are an example of a fear based society that is easily manipulated.
ReplyDelete10:28 You are addicted to it if you can't go one day without it. It WILL catch up with you and your health. It's just a matter of time. Be happy for the few years you have left.
DeleteI just went a week without it due to a business trip. I went without in the early 90's for 2 months due to looking for a job. Anyone who says it saps your will or ambition is fooling themselves and looking for an excuse for their own failures. There are people who have ruined their lives do to food abuse. Let's ban food markets. Food is insidious and very sneaky.
Delete12:07 See how that stuff has already affected your brain and thought wave process? You said in your original comment , "I've smoke daily for forty-five years." Now, you come up with a different story.
DeleteI rest my case. Keep smoking the "dope".
P.S. Notice how you left the "d" off smoke(d). 45 years of smoking is now affecting you. You don't see it; but I do. People addicted to something never, ever admit it. EVER.
DeleteYes you are correct about food, a drug in its own right as far as addiction. You just proved my point by the way, which might have occurred sooner without all those years of skewed thinking.
Delete12:23 and 12:26- classic case of someone with OCD. BTW, you used a semi colon instead of a comma after "You don't see it". Are you sure YOU'RE drug free?
Delete1:17 Still having a bad day, huh? Maybe a stiff drink will cure your problem.
DeleteBut without it? You might have achieved more. It is worth questioning daily dependence on anything. Smoking it saps will, memory, ambition. I'm speaking from experience. It is an insidious drug, very sneaky how it skews ones thinking.
ReplyDeleteFundamental point that almost everybody who's posted on this issue has ignored: There's use and abuse. The same is true of alcoholic beverages.
ReplyDelete10:28- I agree. Big Pharma has a powerful lobby and can get away with just about anything. There is a blood thinner out there called Xarelto. It was FDA approved and is made by Pfizer. It was also given to my mother and she nearly "bled out". The problem with this drug is there is no antidote if you start bleeding. How it ever made it past the FDA is still a mystery, but Pfizer gives a lot of money to lobby for their company.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, no one made marijuana, as it is a plant. Therefore, there is no industry and no lobbyist. And we already know, via the City Council telling us that they don't support Prop. F, that our lobbyist in Sacto won't do anything. In fact, I can't even find our who our lobbyist is, although I have been told we have one. So, Prop. F will most likely be defeated by the same people that think their kids should not get vaccinated for measles, or other diseases that were wiped out before these parents decided they knew best. Check out the LA Times today (Sunday) if you want to read about it, and how these diseases that war once wiped out fare making a comeback.
So, for now, I doubt if we will see dispensaries in Encinitas. That's the problem with "yuppification". And, that's why it's bullshit to even say we have a say. Yes, it got on the ballot. And, that will be the end of it. The City Council should have shut up and let the voters decide. However, that is not their way. Not one cogent argument has been made, except NIMBYism, that explains why a dispensary cannot go into this community. However, as one poster said, there will be a lawsuit and the city will spend a lot of money and possibly lose once again. I am personally getting a bit tired of being on the losing side of sue many lawsuits. But Sabine has dirt on everyone, so he will be around a while.
Did you write both the first and second paragraphs? Do you not see how they contradict each other?
DeleteDon't trust Big Pharma for the blood thinners, but do trust Big Pharma for vaccines. Interesting.
Parents have witnessed adverse reactions to their own children and are able to talk about it with others who have had similar reactions. They experienced the indifference (and sometimes hostility) of the people they formerly trusted.
Treat regressive autism like pediatric cancer and create best-of-care practices for newly diagnosed. Create a national study of those who regressed and do full work-ups on them to see if there are any patterns. Why do so many children suffer terrible gastrointestinal distress before regressing into autism? Why do their heads grow larger than normal children? Are the reports of high inflammation markers true in the greater population? There are things that can be done and questions that need to be answered.
But, no, instead fund PR campaigns to get the "word" out.
All those parents with doctorates, engineering degrees, and even medical degrees who want to know what happened to their children when they regressed are now anti-vaccine. Group them with the extreme anti-vaccine crazies so as to diminish their message.
Fund a high-school visual arts program to create vaccine propaganda so you can say, see, these young children who can take a fresh look at the problem agree that those who don't vaccinate are wackos.
And so people who reply to blog comments can say move along, move along, ignore those crazy people who once believed like you do but have had the unfortunate experience that now makes them take a less trusting stance.
Say what you want about Gaspar her election brochure is marketing genius.
ReplyDeleteHer name in pink attracts the ladies.
The coffee beans say she's hip and contemporary. The coffee says she has plenty of free time to sit back and. " think ".
The photo of the family tells the soccer moms she's one of them.
The endorsement by the sheriffs says she tough on crime.
Finally she invites you to have coffee with her saying, I'll listen to you because you are important.
Her flyer covers all the bases. Very slick, very slick. Designed to appeal to most( but not all) with the goal of getting votes.
Will it work?? Time will tell. Most likely yes.
So far she's light years ahead of the competition.
Not relevant to this post. GASpar is not the slick one. The slick ones are her friends putting it together for her. Do not be fooled by the drama queen/magician.
DeleteHer wonderful flyer had the wrong address of where the coffee meetings are. Now, this "slick chick" has to send our a correction to her flyer.
DeleteSo much for a "smart" mayor. Yep, she's light years ahead.
11:07-And exactly how is any of what you said related to dispensaries in Encinitas? Of course she will win. And, of course she will say no to dispensaries. Let's move on.
ReplyDeleteHa! Light years ahead of someone falling off a barstool sounds easy.
ReplyDelete11:13-Yep, your choices are 1) The hipster mom 2) The drunken "Glory Days" guy 3) The strange woman no one quite understands. This is what we have in a town filled with Ph.D.'s, M.D.'s, etc? Kind of sad.
ReplyDeleteShe'll be seen for what she is — disingenuous, a manipulator and a shill for developers. She is not representative of Encinitas. We won't be embarrassed by electing her as mayor. She'll lose and since her council term will soon be over, she'll be gone from elective local politics. However, she won't be as disgraced as Stocks and Dalager unless she does something egregious in the next few weeks.
ReplyDeleteGaspar is a hipster mom? You must be kidding. She's terribly lame, about as far from hip as possible.
ReplyDeleteHipster and hip.
DeleteNot the same thing.
Hipster = fedora-wearing, skinny jeans, ironic-PBR-drinking, handle-bar mustachioed, unicycle-riding, attention-seeking bag of douche.
Hipster and hip.
DeleteNot the same thing.
Hipster = fedora-wearing, skinny jeans, ironic-PBR-drinking, handle-bar mustachioed, unicycle-riding, attention-seeking bag of douche.
3:06 Is totally bored today. Can you contribute anything about this issue that will make a difference? If not, please go away.
DeleteI'd bet my left nut 4:14 owns a fedora.
Delete6:44 Most guys have balls, but you have a nut? You poor small man.
Delete11:21- I would love to agree with you, but New Encinitas seems to be where the new money is and they seem to want what PB already had. Sad but true. When I moved here in 1983, before incorporation, Cardiff and Leucadia were amazing communities, with their own character. I voted for incorporation, as I thought the County would be horrible. However, it seems as if the new people moving in have already begun what the County might have done.
ReplyDeleteHowever, with regard to dispensaries, it could just pass, as this is an off-election year. Not many people really follow Encinitas politics, except activists, and if they don't show up at the polls, Prop. F has a chance of winning. The Council saying it doesn't want it is not good because even if Prop. F loses, the deck looks stacked (and it is). So, a person who wants to have a dispensary in this town will find a place that is zoned "Medical" and then find an attorney that will sure the hell out of the City, since they stacked the deck against Prop.F. All 5 of them helped assure it just might pass.
"sue the hell" sorry.
DeletePapers are already being drawn up to do just that 11:55. Are you an attorney?
Delete12:00-On what grounds could a lawsuit win if the people say NO to dispensaries?
Delete12:04- On what grounds can the Council get around Prop. A, and they already have. I will not share the legal stuff on this blog for many reasons. I am just saying that it can and will be done, and the citizens will pay for it, as usual. Your city attorney guaranteed it with his not so impartial analysis of the Proposition for starters. That's all I will say of now.
DeleteSomeone asked how much the city could make. Here are some information.
ReplyDeleteMedical Marijuana Dispensary Laws: Fees and Taxes
Many patients believe medical marijuana should not be subject to sales tax because paying taxes on medicine can pose a hardship, particularly because medical marijuana is also not covered by insurance. While sales taxes generally include exceptions for prescription medications, most states’ sales taxes apply to marijuana because it cannot be prescribed due to federal law. Instead, it is recommended or patients receive “certifications.” In addition to medical marijuana sales generating tax revenue, in most or all states with regulated dispensaries, the application and registration fees levied on medical marijuana businesses cover the costs of regulating them. Nonrefundable fees for dispensary applications generally range from $1,000 to $5,000, with registration or annual fees typically between $5,000 and $20,000. While medical marijuana dispensary fees should not be so low that they encourage frivolous applications, it is important that they are not prohibitively high since costs may be passed on to patients, and medical marijuana businesses are generally unable to get bank loans due to concerns about federal law.

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Application and/or Registration Fee


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Arizona
$5,000 application fee, $1,000 for renewal
5.6% sales tax


California
Varies, all licensing is local
7.5% state sales tax, also local taxes
And, as far as crime and dispensaries:
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Study Finds No Link Between Medical Marijuana Dispensaries and Increased Crime
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June 6th, 2012/ 4
Neighborhoods with medical marijuana dispensaries are no more likely than other areas to have crime, according to a new study conducted in Sacramento, California.
The study analyzed crime statistics in 95 neighborhoods in Sacramento in 2009, before the city passed laws that regulated where dispensaries could be located, and increased restrictions on what types of security measures the facilities needed.
The researchers say they think security guards and cameras around the dispensaries may help prevent increased crime, according to U.S. News & World Report. It is also possible that the dispensaries do not increase crime any more than any other facility in a commercially zoned area, they wrote in the Journal of Studies on Alcohol and Drugs.
The study contradicts a report by the California Police Chiefs Association, released in 2009, that linked marijuana dispensaries with crime including drug dealing, sales to minors, and robberies of customers.
Study co-author Nancy Kepple, of the University of California, Los Angeles, noted that as more states have legalized medical marijuana, there have been growing concerns that dispensaries and their customers will become crime targets. “The reality is, we haven’t had any evidence to support those claims,” she said in a news release.
She noted that the study was conducted in only one city, at one point in time. Kepple said research that includes more cities, and follows crime rates over time, is needed.
One city at one point in time does not a study make. Let's get real.
DeleteAnd from US News Weekly Report:
ReplyDeleteReport: Medical Marijuana Dispensaries Not Linked to Neighborhood Crime
Study of California dispensaries finds no increased crime levels.
By Jason Koebler June 6, 2012 | 12:15 a.m. EDT + More
It's long been the argument of law enforcement and anti-medical marijuana advocates that the government-sanctioned pot dispensaries cause an uptick in crime, especially burglary and muggings. The only problem is that argument isn't necessarily true, according to a new study funded by the National Institutes of Health.
On its face, the argument makes sense—medical marijuana dispensaries feature large caches of high quality drugs, and its customers overwhelmingly walk in with a huge wad of cash and walk out with a desirable product. But the study, published in the Journal of Studies on Alcohol and Drugs, found that neighborhoods with medical marijuana dispensaries in Sacramento were no more likely to have crime than other neighborhoods.
[Your Friendly Neighborhood Pot-Growing Store]
The study's authors say their research may debunk a 2009 report by the California Police Chiefs Association that said marijuana dispensaries "have been tied to organized criminal gangs, foster large [marijuana growth] operations, and are often multi-million-dollar profit centers."
"Because they are repositories of valuable marijuana crops and large amounts of cash, several operators of dispensaries have been attacked and murdered by armed robbers both at their storefronts and homes, and such places have been regularly burglarized," the report continues. "Drug dealing, sales to minors, loitering, heavy vehicle and foot traffic in retail areas, increased noise, and robberies of customers just outside dispensaries are also common ancillary by-products of their operations."
Arguments such as those are common by opponents of medical marijuana legalization, which will soon be available in as many as 17 states and the District of Columbia.
[Americans Supporting Ending Federal Crackdowns on Medical Marijuana]
"There's law enforcement and city officials debating whether these dispensaries were attracting undesirables, and there's the other side, the dispensary owners, saying maybe these concerns were unfounded," says co-author Nancy Kepple, a doctoral student at the UCLA Luskin School of Public Affairs. "But neither side had any evidence that supported either claim."
The UCLA study looked at crime rates in 95 areas of Sacramento in 2009, before the city enacted regulations on where dispensaries could be located and had fewer restrictions on what security measures dispensary operators had to meet.
"Whatever security measures were done, the owners chose to do it for themselves [in 2009]. We specifically selected this time because it was based on a free-market situation," says Kepple.
Although the researchers aren't sure why there was no uptick in crime around dispensaries, they suspect that security guards and cameras have an impact on keeping criminals out. Or, as Kepple wrote in the report, it could be that marijuana dispensaries just don't increase crime any "more than any other facility in a commercially-zoned area."
[Why the Oregon Attorney General Race Has National Implications for Marijuana Laws]
Several high-profile murders in San Francisco and Hollywood dispensaries and burglaries in San Francisco, Santa Cruz, and Colorado Springs have made dispensary-based crime national news, but those cases aren't representative of a larger trend, Kepple and her co-author, Bridget Freisthler, say.
"Because of the type of business dispensaries are, any crime there has been well-publicized, bringing more attention to the issue," Freisthler says. "Neighborhood residents get up in arms and it takes a life of its own." She says pot dispensaries appear to be no more likely to be victimized by burglars than liquor stores or other commercial spots.
A study should be conducted in Encinitas in terms of who medically needs marijuana versus those who don't need it for medical purposes.
ReplyDeleteThe study would be on the side of those who want it for recreational purposes and that is why it will not pass in this city.
True 'dat.
DeleteI have quite a few friends with cards. Not one of them has a legitimate medical need, and they are completely open about it. They have described what a silly charade the licensing scheme is. Access is plenty easy as is.
Interesting dialog. All I know is watching Big Lembowski while smoking it doubles the effect.
ReplyDeleteThanks 12:40pm, yes, the Dude abides, as always. Whoever could have imagined how that character would have continued for decades to be an inspiration for so many, year after year, decade after decade. Well, two decades actually with many more to come.
ReplyDeleteThis was a nice short break from the topic going around and around and around, ad infinitum.
The end and short of it is we all get to express ourselves with our votes. Democracy at its finest allows us to ignore our councils politically correct stance at avoiding the suicidal support of something that is legalized by the state.
There is no 'm' in the title but having a moment to reflect on the Dude is gift enough, so thanks for that.
Shut the fuck up, Donny.
DeleteThe Dude lives in Leucadia. The Dude is president of the KLCC. The Dude is a bum.
DeleteHell, let's go bowling. Oh, I forgot, there are no bowling alleys in Encinitas. Way too low brow for the newbies.
DeleteDonny? I don't know a Donny. Anyone know a Donny? I do know some dummies who post here but no Donny's. I am sure you will be clearing that up.
ReplyDelete4:10pm Charley, charley, charley, there is no president of the non-existant club you created. We do not need one.
ReplyDeleteYou however are certainly the president of the making leucadia crappier club for your ongoing compulsion to relentlessly spout inanities without end. Flame on while you can and to your black hearts content.
There is some entertainment value but that is about it. Your opinion holds about as much credibility around here as..... I am trying to compare you to something, anything of value but am at a loss.
Be sure and fill in the blanks for me and others if it is in you and you can come up with something that is relevant for a change. We all know it has to be in there somewhere if you can only let it shine.
This really is a sincere call to you to try a fresh approach for yourself and all of us and our community.
5:01- you are like Pavlovs dog. Just the letters KLCC and you salivate with hate filled dribble. All this heat and humidity makes you crazy about non-existent roundabouts. Enjoy, the ex- Miss Hawaii says it will be hotter tomorrow . Lololll.
DeleteAlso, a known side-effect of marijuana is paranoia. It explains so much that our local Victim-in-chief supports Prop F.
DeleteParanoia occurs if the person is introverted. The predisposing psychological parameters of the person are the dominant factors in the response to pot's effects.
Deletewoof woof
ReplyDeleteI'm getting a contact high just reading this post.
ReplyDeletePot robs a person of ambition and initiative, causes people to neglect important responsibilities (like their kids), and is a gateway to worse drugs. The process to get a medical card is a joke. Anyone can get one.
ReplyDeleteHowever, with that said, I believe in freedom, and people should have the right to be stupid and ruin their lives (just don't tax me to fund programs to take care of the people who are train wrecks as a result of their stupidity). Therefore, I will vote for Prop F.
12:37 I agree with everything you stated. However, I will be voting NO on Prop F. If you vote yes, that will be an automatic tax for you even though they would like to hide that small detail.
ReplyDeleteThis Prop. will invite more recreational use than medicinal use.
"Pot robs a person of ambition and initiative, causes people to neglect important responsibilities (like their kids), and is a gateway to worse drugs."-12:37
ReplyDeleteAs a physician who smokes pot, and did in Med School, I guess I must be the rare exception to the above comment. I don't necessarily tell may patients that I smoke, as it has never come up. I guess I had better stop practicing, as I have been a physician for 30 years, have published articles, spoken a conferences. So, exactly how did I do this is 12:37's comment is at all accurate? Answer- It's not accurate. End of story.
3:02 PM
ReplyDeleteThere are common drug tests for all occupations. Why not the medical profession. There are also doctors hooked on morphine. At least be fair and open and tell all your patients that you smoke pot. Let them decide if they want you to treat them.
3:02 All I can say is I am thankful you are not my physician. The doctors I go to have good standard practices, are mentally focused and are not "skewed" by using pot.
ReplyDeleteWhy are you so ashamed to admit it to your patients? Are you afraid that will go to another doctor and you will lose income? Money is the greed of all evils. Your patients are more important in my opinion.
3:02 Is this your day off? Why do you have time to write on a blog?
ReplyDeletePlease tell us where you practice medicine so that I can warn others not to go there. Perhaps you should be investigated.
ReplyDelete3:02 I know hundreds of people who smoke. One has a Number one TV show for the last 17 years. Another is in the NBA Hall of Fame. Another won an Emmy, another won an Academy Award. All have children who are successful. On the other hand, I know dozens of people who are hooked on legal drugs they got from their doctor, and are addicted to meds, and alcohol. The number of people I know who are killing themselves by smoking a legal substance called tobacco is alarming. They cannot stop, no matter how hard they tried. I also know people who considered themselves pot addicts so they stopped. No withdrawal, no cravings, no seizures (common in med withdrawal). They stopped and that was that. Many of my famous musician pals who play with such folks as Todd Rundgren, Camper Van Beethoven, X, The Blasters, etc., travel all over the world and stop everything when they're on the road, and it's no big deal. 12:37PM needs to get out in the world more. Fear based generalizations prove nothing and are annoying to those of us who know rich and important people who enjoy cannabis.
ReplyDelete3:32 Name dropping about the rich and famous does not impress me a bit. Keep enjoying your cannabis. It will take years to have an affect on you and you might be one of those who "just drops dead" and we all can say that they were in such excellent health. What a joke. Move to Hollyweird.
DeleteKeep eating the crap food most of you enjoy. I'll take my chances with a few tokes a day and a couple of glasses of wine. If prop f passes no one is going to force it on you so what is your problem?
DeletePeople like you are all for "liberty" and "freedom" riiiiight?
4:15 I would bet I ear healthier than you do. Your couple glasses a wine over a long period is not good for the liver. Everything in moderation.
DeleteA few tokes a day over 20 or 30 years is just as bad as a ton of tokes a day.
Have your liberty and freedom, but not at my expense. I don't want to contribute to your medical bills if you can't afford them when you get sick.
I meant to type "eat" not "ear".
Delete4:15 IF Prop F passes (which it will not) it does affect me and everyone in this city. We would have to walk or drive by the "pot" shops looking at everyone half stoned. Not to mention, deal with the idiots on the road after they get high.
DeleteDon't tell me it won't affect me. It will big time.
It will not pass in this city, so go somewhere else.
I think 3:02 is a fake and pretending to be a physician. No intelligent doctor would admit such a thing in writing on the internet for all to see. Unless, of course, all the years of pot smoking have gone to his/her brain. That has to be it.
ReplyDeleteFunny how the mysterious doctor just disappeared from planet blog.
DeleteDr. Chronic, at your service!
DeleteSmoking marijuana is more dangerous than smoking cigarettes. The tar in joints contains a much higher concentration of the chemicals linked to lung cancer compared with tobacco tar.
ReplyDeleteSmoking marijuana deposits four times more tar in the lungs than smoking an equivalent amount of tobacco.
So, those of you who think that because this is a so called "natural" or "herbal" plant, might want to think again before you light up.
There is a steady rise in lung cancer and some of it is attributed to smoking marijuana. The more you smoke, either cigarettes or marijuana, the chances of ruining your health are greater.
People can deal with nausea. (I did when I had chemo and radiation). Pain can be controlled with other legal FDA approved meds form a pharmacy.
NO on Prop. F
OK, 3:55, you can stop laying your trip on everybody else now.
Delete9:45 Don't read it if you don't like hearing the truth. I suggest you smoke another joint so you can join the lung cancer stats. By the time you get cancer, you'll be so immured to it that you'll have to switch to heroine or something stronger.
DeleteDon't you love freedom and liberty?
I smoke two joints in the morning
ReplyDeleteI smoke two joint at night
I smoke two joint in the afternoon
It makes me feel all right
I smoke two joints in time of peace
And two in time of war
I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints,
And then I smoke two more
Daddy he once told me,
"Son, you be hard workin' man"
And momma she once told me,
"Son, you do the best you can"
Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Whoa rock me to the night
Ja say
Sublime
Approved dispensery or not, there's a neighbor in every hood that can always provide what you need.
How sad that people feel they need to get high.
DeleteSorry, The Toyes. Early 1980's., KROQ frequently played this one....
DeleteWell, it you have epilespy or glaucoma or a lot of other conditions, getting high helps...
Delete8:47 You are joking, right? Glaucoma? My mother has glaucoma and there is no pain. She uses eye drops every day to control the pressure. Cannabis for glaucoma? Surely you jest.
DeleteP.S. To lower the eye pressure around the clock marijuana would have to be smoked 6-8 times a day and it would immensely impair someone's driving ability. If it is smoked that much, other things will be affected such as lungs and heart.
DeleteI think she'll stick with the eye drops that have worked wonderfully for her.
There is a great article from a doctor at John Hopkins that states the use of marijuana for glaucoma will actually kill the optic nerve to the eye. Therefore, it is not recommended.
DeleteEven more sad is when we have a natural unpolluted source of relief without the side effects of bought off FDA profit making big pharma products causing untold damage and they get by with stating in fine print and rapid auction type descriptions of all that can go wrong if you use their product.
ReplyDeleteNo thanks.
Reefer Madness is alive and well thanks to a gullible public and legislators who know better but don't want to get on the wrong side of the ignorant uninformed populace that won't allow any studies to be done that would reveal the truth to all about how safe and effective this can be for so many.
Imagination has run rampant here and those of you who have been critical and continue to spout inane non facts do not fool anyone and only make you look at the more ridiculously stupid. That you choose ignorance over reality is your choice, of course, and you are welcome to it.
The more you continue to spout the same false things over and over again that we have heard since the 1930's shows us where your mental limits have reached their zenith.
11:55- I agree. I wonder if anyone who is so critical of herb has actually ever tried it? Or are they afraid they may go crazy, or get hooked on H? Or maybe they might even have premarital sex. God forbid!
ReplyDeleteMost of the anti-pot claims hear were debunked during the Nixon administration. They did a study on Jamaicans. Of course real science was used and the results were not what the administration wanted to hear so the study was discarded.
DeleteCabezon
The simple answer is yes. Buy your medicinal herb elsewhere is what people are saying. We should at least decriminalize marijuana...
DeleteSo we are back to the beginning-NIMBYism at its finest. Oh well, Oceanside will get my business.
DeleteI hear LSD is now back in style.
Delete9:03 Then go to Oceanside. Save yourself some gas and move there.
Delete1:32 You must have just smoked one. It's easy to tell by your post. I hope it helped you to get to sleep.
Delete9:56, Just so they don't approve medical LSD.
DeleteSchrooms are food of the Gods!
DeleteQuestion: Will Prop F pass?
ReplyDeleteDudebro could organize a campaign. Dudebro could raise money, print signs, walk precincts, write editorials, create a direct mail campaign, lobby the patient's rights community, perform fiscal impact analysis, work with business leaders who might become investors in a regulated dispensary.
Or,
Dudebro could get baked in his van by the railroad tracks.
Yeah, I think we know what will happen.
Cheech and Chong to the rescue!
Delete10:13- Wow, just wow. How did this blog survive without you. Oh, it didn't. So much hate and so little knowledge about the topic. Wanting someone to be killed is a little extreme don't you think?
ReplyDelete10:18, It took me a minute to realize there is another way to interpret the phrase "baked in his van."
DeleteProp F will go down to defeat by a wide margin. The smart folks will not be fooled by you pot heads who want better access to your drug.
ReplyDeleteAll depends 10:21. It will be a low voter turnout, as it is an off election year. And even though many of us are engaged on this blog, that does not mean that Encinitas residents, as a whole, gives a hoot about who is on the Council and Prop. F has not been given much attention. It may be like Prop. A, whose win stunned many people who spent a lot of money to defeat it.
ReplyDelete10:51 You may not think people are watching, listening and in the know about what is going on in this city. When it comes to the BIG things like Prop. A was, you better believe we will stand up for our rights. Same thing Prop. F. You better line yourself up with some druggies because it won't be happening here. Besides, this issue is about medicinal purposes, but all of you spout off about the recreational use of it. Not gonna happen on our watch.
DeleteProp A actually had a record turnout, 10:51. You may want to get your facts straight.
DeleteThe Prop. Win was "stunning" to big money because the electorate was savvy, informed, and scared. Never underestimate how folks react when you pin their backs to the wall.
DeleteWhat a bunch of old fuddy duddies hippies became. Oh yeah, I forgot. They had kids.
ReplyDelete1:02- I am one of those old hippies, Woodstock and all. And I will be voting YES on Prop F. So will all of my neighbors.
ReplyDelete1:02- I forgot to add, I had 2 beautiful children as well. And they both went to San Dieguito High School.
ReplyDelete1:15 Then you shouldn't be disappointed at all if your kids smoke pot. Maybe one day you can bail them out of jail for illegal possession.
Delete2:24- Ironically neither one of them smoke. Go figure:) And they both have Ph.D's fro UCSC and UCB, as do both me and my husband. Strange world isn't it?
Delete5:11. Don't believe a word you say, except you wish.
DeleteHall park can be renamed Ichygoo Park!
ReplyDeleteMayor Fidel will host bong-a-thons there !
Doesn't matter what you believe, 8:18.
ReplyDeleteI'm voting Yes on F, too. If the proposition is defeated, it is because of the aging of Encinitas; older voters tend to be more conservative and closed minded. But not all of them; some are old enough and wise enough not to believe the unsubstantiated claims of outside speakers, who fail to share their city of residence at the dais.
Prop F is unlike Prop A, because Council did write ballot arguments against that, and much more money was spent by developers in unsuccessfully opposing the Right to Vote Initiative.
Prop F has a chance. Most of those speakers objecting to Prop F's passage, won't be able to cast a vote, here, in Encinitas.
9:58 My vote of NO will cancel out your vote. By the way, I thought I heard the City Attorney at last week's meeting telling the council that they could not take a position on ballot measures. How, then, did they get away with that on Prop. A?
DeleteAnything on the ballot has a chance. It can go one way or the other. My bet is that Encinitas will overwhelmingly vote NO for Prop. F
It's a good thing you are still not smoking the dope (or are you)? Not a good example for your children to say the least.
Prohibition of alcohol failed, and so will prohibition of marijuana, in the long run.
ReplyDeleteThe women's temperance leagues helped organize and gain women's right to vote, in the 1920s. Did you notice it was primarily women, from other cities, who spoke out against Prop F at the last Council Meeting?
I hope women will continue to improve their status, will continue their efforts to get equal pay for equal work. And I hope they can behave like the majority of people expect: Live and let live, while causing no harm.
The City cannot use illegally use zoning to prohibit, in the ENTIRE CITY, an activity that the People have voted to legally allow.
10:04 Sounds like you need another puff or another drink.
DeleteMeant to say the City cannot illegally use zoning to prohibit in the ENTIRE CITY an activity that the people have voted, statewide, to allow.
DeleteYou are projecting again, 10:07. Obviously, you get a thrill out of seeing your inane comments posted.
Prop F will fail in Encinitas. The younger crowd doesn't vote and the older group still feels the prohibition era's negative propaganda about weed. No big deal - go to San Diego to buy it or get it from the local dealer at 7-11.
ReplyDeleteWhen will this city be fed up with and outraged about the heroine and oxycodone problem it has downtown and in our neighborhoods?
ReplyDeleteOutrage about pot? Gateway drug? Really?
Your kids are getting all strung out on pharma meds that they either steal from you or they get from a doctor and when they can't get them anymore they turn to heroine because it's cheaper and easy for them to get.
Encinitas has a dirty little secret, ask any cop and they'll tell you that we have a serious heroine problem in this city.
It is up to the parents if they have any sense at all to keep their meds locked and away from their children. If they don't care, why should the kids?
DeleteParents these days are unbelievable. Nothing like when I was growing up. In my day the parents were in charge and led the way. In today's world the kid's rule the household. I have no one to blame but the parents.
We do need all the heroines we can come up with around here like Julie and Sheila. Heroin, not at all in any way, shape or form. I know you meant this and next time you will be a little better informed when you mention a terrible scourge of a drug. You are welcome.
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