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Before watching the Council meeting tonight, some of you might want to pop on over to San Diego La Rostra for a most stimulating discussion on Scott Peters vs. Carl DeMaio. All I can say is anyone thinks Democrats are in bad shape, you will find this discussion amusing. It's about the 3rd one down and has about 33 comments, which is a lot for La Rostra. Have fun.
ReplyDeleteA vote for Sheila is a vote Gaspar.
ReplyDeleteA vote for Sheila is a vote to r a crappy and unsafe Encinitas
DeleteA vote for Sheila is a vote for lower property values
Sheila Cameron for mayor.
DeleteCameron and Graboi for mayor and city council.
ReplyDeleteGraboi & Cameron for sure.
DeleteAh Rostra, how you entertain me....
DeleteYes, very amusing over there and a Dr L sighting too.
ReplyDeleteYes, Lorri posts some very interesting questions on La Rostra. Every time she posts over here, which is not often, the flurry of exchanges increases. I wish she would post more. It might help La Rostra's comments and engage more people. She always posts respectfully, and our site is moderated, so as not to let a lot of name calling. If you want to post on our site, you are all welcome. Your comment will await moderation, and if it it is a valid comment it will be posted. You don't even have to use your real name. We have a person called "hypocrisy" who brings forth some good ideas. Once you make up a name, or use your own, that is it. No changing it when you feel like you don't want your name to appear. Those are the rules. Come on over and join in the dialogue. You may not agree, but I will guarantee your comment, if respectful to others, will be posted. Thor's Assistant
ReplyDeleteMs. Greene's question about gays was pretty ignorant. I suggest she do some research on the subject and how the Catholic Church views it. That is what most people do when they would like to get more enlightened about a subject.
DeleteI like this blog much better. Stocks posts on yours and he's a waste of time.
DeleteSince Ms. Greene is a Catholic, I think she has a pretty good idea how the church views things. Perhaps you should read the question I asked Jerome. Lorri
DeleteDissagree 9:50, she elicted soem classic responses from the populace over there, basically demonstrating the Republicans chasing their own tale with Carl Demaio over the gay issue.
Delete10:40 If you are a Catholic as you state, you would have known the answer to the question you asked. Maybe a little more reading on your part would help. Better yet, read your Bible.
DeleteAnyone else notice how Barth left the door open to be appointed back to the Council if Tony is elected? Seems like Kranz likes going on trips. He also went to Minneapolis. Was that paid for by us as well?
ReplyDeleteplease explain
DeleteSeriously???
DeleteKind of hard to explain. If you go to the video and go to the section where each council member says what he or she did since the last meeting, I think it was there. However, since I didn't get home in time to watch oral communications, I can for sure say it was after that part. Sorry, not to be very helpful, but it was very vague but I could swear I heard a reference to something like that.
DeleteThe trip to Israel was paid for by a Jewish Group, not the city. Can we let the Barth appointment rumour drop, Tony is going to have a hard time winning as it is, let alone convicing Barth to be on council again. It's not going to happen.
Delete7:06 AM
DeleteDeputy Mayor Tony "give me a $6000 free trip" Kranz shows he can be bought. Thank goodness Mayor "give me up-zoning and more bars" Gaspar are running against each other.
Vote for Cameron for mayor.
I thought it was interesting that Barth is going to be on a committee with Marco Gonzales. Couldn't quite understand how that worked, as Marco is not a council person. Did anyone understand it?
ReplyDelete8:24 Nope, I didn't understand it. He doesn't have anything to do with the city. He's interested in the density bonus issue so he can sue the city for his client. A council member and he should not be associated with each other since there is a potential lawsuit.
DeleteWhat is the committee?
Delete10:36- That was a little vague, at least to me. Perhaps others may know? I watched from home and it was difficult with the sound system this eve. so I didn't catch what Teresa said the committee was.
DeleteDo you mean the panel Teresa is on next week at the San Diego Housing Federation's annual conference? The session is titled "Beyond Density Bonus: A Dialogue about Affordable Housing, Infill & Community Character" Teresa is a panelist along with Marco Gonzalez and Joe LaCava.
DeleteI'm sure this will elicit the usual derision.
My question is how did Barth get on this panel? She is about as dense as the issue of density bonus, affordable housing, and community character.
DeleteWhy don't you give the San Diego Housing Federation a call to find out instead of throwing out baseless insults.
Delete12:36 Barth lied on Prop A and told the lie the city would be biffurcated. The claim Barth lacks knowledge on the subject is based on her lack of knowledge. Try Again
Delete1:37 PM
DeleteBoy, how can I argue with such ironclad logic. Barth can't know anything about density bonus issues because she lied on Prop A. Encinitas has only been at ground zero on density bonus while Barth has been on the council.
And since this site is so enamored with so called backroom deals, why didn't the coastal commission review changes to plans they previously approved? Some here have indicated that Pam Slater-Price became involved and got the commission to back off. I don't know but there appears little interest here to explore it. Maybe because the commission's lack of involvement in the ramifications of Prop A is supported by most commenters. They only want the commission to get involved in big issues like putting a white stripe down 101 to create a bike lane.
1:37 ahh big issues- you mean like EU being the only news source sharing the facts of the disaserous $24M PV purchase with the public? You mean big issues like EU sharing the emails of Vina withholding financial information? You mean big news like EU reporting PV can't be used for many art activities?
Deletetry again
Any report out of closed session on whether they're going to sell Desert Rose and Fulvia neighbors down the river?
ReplyDeleteHello-
DeleteIf I heard correctly it was a 3-2 vote, Gaspar and Muir opposed, to respond to Marco Gonzalez threatening letter in open meeting.
What I found interesting WCV was that they reported out who was in favor and who opposed.
In the case of the Vina job review- held in closed session, Gaspar reproted out that no action was taken.
Then that night Shaffer wrote in her newsletter that there was a difference of opinion
Shouldn't we the public have the right to know what that difference of opinion is , and who said what?
Andrew Audet
Andrew, Andrew, Andrew. There is a difference reporting on a vote, as you noted, and reporting on a discussion. The council is under no obligation to report their discussion nor who held what opinions. That's why they're called deliberations. It's not official until there is a vote or a "sense of the council".
DeleteIf councilwoman Shaffer wants to personally reveal elements of their discussion I guess it's her prerogative but she has to be careful.
If you want to be in on the deliberations then run for office.
only a gutless coward would state there was a difference of opinion and then not elaborate, you might not value secrecy11:54, don't expect us to join you
Delete11:54 apparently there is no reporting on a dicsussion- everything is kept secret. The public deserves to know where the council stands on Vina and his withholding of information
Deletehow can Shaffer report out off closed session, isn't that a brown violation?
Delete1:29 PM
DeleteI didn't say there was a difference of opinion, Andrew Audet did. I have no knowledge about the discussions in closed session and I haven't read councilwoman Shaffer's newsletter. So don't blame me. I'm only responding to Andrew's comments at 9:26 PM.
So are you calling Andrew a gutless coward?
Inquiring minds want to know?
yeah, dude post under his own name, you on the other hand.......... I would like the council to tell us what they talked about during Vina's review. Word on the street is he might be on probation, let's hope so.
DeleteEU- Nothing. The meeting ended at 8:15. It was pretty short. Kranz thought it might be a nice idea to hire facilitators in the future for appeals so it wouldn't have to go to Council. One thing I will say about Kranz. He thinks money grows on trees, perhaps somewhere other than his home.
ReplyDeleteThen Tony "give me a $6000 free trip" Kranz will have more time for those "free" trips. Can he get any lazier?
DeleteSaw Blakespear in her usual seat so the camera could see her.
ReplyDeleteYep, in her usual spot with a different hairdo. I don't think any way she does her hair is going to help her looks. She's just one of those kind that nothing looks good.
DeleteNaturally, she had nothing to offer or contribute to the meeting.
What a shallow comment. You should be ashamed of yourself.
DeleteIt looks like your insides and soul are much uglier than the average human being. Ugly duckling.
You are embarrassing your mother the way you act. Go to church or read or something to learn some goodness for heavens sake.
2:51, It's ok. 9:19 is from LA. We don't act like that here.
DeleteThe sound system was troublesome tonight. Every time someone spoke into their mic you could hear a click, click, click. Hey, they have tons of money where they could invest in a new sound system.
ReplyDeleteWhat was up with Muir? He seems totally out of whack. Kept forgetting things and had to keep going back to him. His mind is just not on what he is doing. Oh, he forgot to look at the ceiling and didn't get his direction from up above. That must have been the problem.
Shallow Hal back at it again. Make your momma proud- scumbag.
DeleteI would love to see how you look and act. From the sound of it, your pretty ugly on the inside.
What I got from the out of closed session report was that Gaspar and Muir didn't want to respond to Marcos' threat of litigation on Desert Rose and wanted to let the earlier motion to support the residents stand. THESE TWO ACTUALLY LISTENED TO THE RESIDENTS AND NOT TO THE DEVELOPERS OR THEIR ATTORNEYS! It looks as if Kranz, Shaffer and Barth got weak at the knee and caved in to Marco and his threat of litigation or his earlier campaign donations.
ReplyDeleteYes, a 3 to 2 vote to agendize the city's new policies/interpretation of Density Bonus and the timing of implementation in response to Marco's threat of litigation. It appears that Muir and Gaspar are supporting the citizens, but we won't know for sure until we hear what council members say in open session.
DeleteThe second threat of litigation was the Peter Stern/ACLU challenge to the city sign ordinance. It was 5 to 0 to bring a new ordinance to the council striking government flags and religious symbols from the ordinance. Not sure what that means. I thought the thrust of the challenge had to do with political signs and violations of free speech.
But Sabine and Morrison got paid none the less for the terrible sign ordinance that they inflicted on the city which has created more confusion than the one they had before. Cha-ching!! So let's keep our priorities straight!
Delete11:56- I think you are right. Is that what the committee that Marco and Teresa are on is about. I guess I will have to go back and watch it again.
ReplyDeleteOur lobbyist was there and Sabine asked him a question about an assembly bill about density bonus. Sabine gave him an AB #. Our lobbyist couldn't find it on his i-pad and asked Glen if he was sure he had the number correct? Glen told him to Google something about DB, but the lobbyist still couldn't find it. Also, not one Council member asked if the DB could be lowered because of the water situation So. Cal is experiencing? That might have made him think and perhaps as in Sacto.
DeleteKranz reported that SANDAG didn't give us a dime for any of our projects for the coming year. Other cities got monies instead.
But, when Kranz suggested that appeals be negotiated by an independent mediator, on the taxpayers dime, of course, I really couldn't believe it. He wants to turf the Council's responsibilities, one which is to be the final say in appeals. What a woos and another example of Kranz giving our money to others, rather than than do to his job, Council has always heard and decided on appeals. They are supposed to be objective. Maybe he doesn't want to have to deal with the Marco's of the world?
It is easy to waste money that isn't yours.
DeleteSpeaking of our lobbyist, I don't know if anyone caught his comments in response to council's questions about the chances of getting the legislature to make changes to the density bonus legislation. He said that Encinitas is well know in Sacramento for its longtime failure to approve a certifiable housing element and because of that they have little sympathy for us. So don't expect our council to get a sympathetic ear in Sacramento until the city does pass and gets certified a housing element.
DeleteThe legislation that Sabine asked him about was AB 2222 by Nazarian (46th-Van Nuys) to modify the existing density bonus law to:
Existing law requires continued affordability for 30 years or longer, as specified, of all very low and low-income units that qualified an applicant for a density bonus.
This bill instead would require continued affordability for 55 years or longer, as specified, of all very low and low-income rental units that qualified an applicant for a density bonus. This bill would also include very low and low-income persons among the initial occupants of for-sale units. This bill also would prohibit an applicant from receiving a density bonus unless the proposed housing development would, for units subject to certain affordability requirements that were occupied by qualifying persons on the date of application, provide at least the same number of units of equivalent size or type, or both, to be made available for rent at affordable housing costs to, and occupied by, persons and families in the same or lower income category as those households in occupancy. For those subject types of units that have been vacated or demolished at the time of application, this bill would condition a density bonus upon at least the same number of units of equivalent size or type, or both, as existed at the highpoint in the preceding 5 years being made available at affordable rent or affordable housing cost to, and occupied by, persons and families in the same or lower income category as those persons and families in occupancy at that time, if known.
Existing law also requires a city, county, or city and county to grant a density bonus or other incentives, as specified, when an applicant for approval to convert apartments to a condominium project agrees, among other things, to provide a specified percentage of units for low- or moderate-income persons and families or for lower income households, as defined.
This bill also would prohibit an applicant from receiving a density bonus unless the proposed condominium project would replace the existing affordable units with at least the same number of affordable units of equivalent size or type, or both, and the proposed development, inclusive of the units replaced pursuant to the requirements described above, contains affordable units according to specified percentages or consists entirely of affordable units.
Nazarian's bill AB 2222 on density bonus was chaptered on Sept. 27. It is law.
Delete4:20 PM
"Our" lobbyist had done nothing to press the removal of density bonus not just for Encinitas but for all cities in California.
You forget that elected representative voted for density bonus which wasn't widely supported. Did you vote for a representative to destroy your neighborhood? Don't give out that excuse that it is the law. The law can be changed. Write to the representatives.
Elect Crazy Cameron and watch Encinitas turn into a scummy place like Oceanside.
ReplyDeleteI have never heard of Cameron trying to improve anything including herself. Her crowd are all the old broken down type living in yesteryear. She along focuses on the past and trying to stop change. I am surprised they can even access the internet.
If something is broke you need to fix it. Cameron prefers to let the broken item sit there and rot even if it means somethings remain totally unsafe, more people die, quality of life is lowered and property values are lowered.
Sorry Cameron, the reality is you are splitting the anti growth, anti-developer/$tock$ segment of voters. 65% will vote for Tony and you will get maybe 35% of the that segment, thereby assuring a victory to Gaspar. My prediction is Gaspar wins the election and gets somewhere close to 30% votes, Tony will get close to 19%, Sheila will get close to 13% (thereby splitting the 32% needed to beat Gaspar), and the others will split the remaining 18%.
Gaspars will be buying Cameron rounds (on the house of course from the bar owners) all election night and when ever she see Cameron.
As I said, Crazy Cameron does not have a good sense of reality she is too busy focusing on how to stop time.
A reflective person might ask, what did Kranz do to make Cameron run, and why is Cameron gaining so much support?
DeleteAnd a threatened person might sound just like 6:18.
DeleteI would suspect that some other impetus or political force is involved in Cameron running.
DeleteSheila will split the vote. Gaspar's voting block is more monolithic, it's the Rotarians, FF, Cops, developers and conservative older folks of new Encinitas. Tony would pull from all the remaining groups, and Sheila will cut into some of that, but nowhere enough to win.
For me, you might as well not even run if you don't have the time or resources to at least have a website.. It's not 1994.
6:18 nailed it.
DeleteWhy so scared of Cameron?
DeleteI don't think people are scared of Sheila, it's the fact she's splitting the vote. She has no chance of winning, what with the 11th hour declaration to run.
DeleteThis move will put Gaspar in as mayor. Kind of shocked that she and everyone backing her don't get this. We saw this move with Bob three times, and one of those times we lost Dennis Holz because of it, the best council member we ever had...
-MGJ
6:18 AM sounds like Mike Andreen. He's still carrying on his vendetta against Cameron. He's afraid that Cameron and Kranz will both take votes away from his candidate Gaspar. Don't be fooled. I'm still voting for Cameron for Mayor, the only one who will shake things up at the council. Otherwise it will be more of the same.
DeleteSounds like you haven't been paying attention. Gaspar's crowd doesn't consider voting for someone else, they vote for Danny, Jerome, Bond, Guerin etc. There is a very concentrated block of people who vote for the law and order, FF pro-development candidates in this town, for the last 20 years or more.
DeletePeople like Sheila have been in the vanguard of trying to preserve what we have, the small town atmosphere, not letting the big boxes dominate our town. Sadly, her time in office did not compare favorably with her work as a gadfly. The insider role just wan't a good fit, although she still got some things done and stuck up for residents, especially on the freeway access issue in Leucadia, among other things.
Now it's 14-15 years later, and time and politics have mooved on. I support Tony as the best chance to keep Gaspar off the council now that we have our chance....
Sheila Cameron for mayor.
DeleteI agree
ReplyDeleteSome yeah, the "some other" is non-representation as expected by Kranz. At least Cameron stepped up, but let's be honest about what's really going on here: Kranz has been a miserable disappointment and left most of his base with a big knife in its back.
ReplyDeleteNo mystery over impetus for Cameron's run. And if Gaspar gets the seat, so be it. Can't tell the diff between Kranz and her anyway. If reports about Marco scaring the pants off Kranz but not Gaspar are true, then Gaspar is actually the preferable candidate.
I do not, at all, agree.
DeleteWhen I read some of the comments, a bunch of the authors should not vote. They are not well informed. These are some who will vote on land use / rights issues.
90% of the people who vote have no clue. They vote on is it a woman, is it a man, is it a supposed conservative/liberal, what did I see in the mail, what did my friend tell me etc...
DeleteIf there are so many supporters for Sheila, why are there are only 15 people with donations to her campaign on the filing document, with two of them being Pam Slater and her husband and two being the Grabois?
DeleteGaspar was going to win any way, but the size of her victory will now be even more convincing because Cameron and Kranz will split the vote. I voted for Kranz and Shaffer two years ago, but I am voting for Gaspar this time.
DeleteAgreed that she probably would have won anyway, but it could have been very, very close with Tony possibly getting a boost if all the non-darkside forces had unified....
DeleteAgain. Agreed
ReplyDeleteMayor Kristin "give me up-zoning and more bars" Gaspar held a campaign fundraiser at a downtown bar. Should she be voting on the deemed approved ordinance that will regulate alcohol establishments?
ReplyDeleteKranzs recently took $6,000 from the Liechtags Developers and then voted to up zone their property. And to think we (I) got upset that Dalager received a kitchen sink in exchange for his vote. KRANZ IS WORST THAN DALAGER!
ReplyDeleteI'm voting for Cameron!!!
Really? Lots of issues here. There is no evidence the money for his working trip came from the Leichtag Foundation; in fact there is evidence to the contrary. The foundation can not be labeled "developers" in the sense of building construction. There is no evidence of a Quid Pro Quo. I'm fine with the reasoning that he misled on his support from Prop A, or we are paying more for Pacific View, etc. And that is sufficient cause to reject him. He has made plenty statements and votes that you can reject or disagree. Or you can have simple logic like, "I much prefer and trust Cameron." When you rely on non-evidence based and inflammatory rhetoric it actually hurts Sheila as some will take it to mean she believes your rhetoric or even that she is feeding it.
DeleteUnfortunately I don't trust Sheila, more so than Tony, and I'm sad to have to say that. But I totally agree on the trip, there's nothing to see there, and if you dissagree with Tony's votes or lack of support for Prop A., that's fair game...
DeleteNo, there was no upzoning.
DeleteAn allowed use, that did not impace anyone, but No Upzoning.
Sheila Cameron for mayor.
DeleteNCTD has already said no way, no how, to at grade crossings. Their right of way, their rules.
ReplyDeleteDon't shoot the messenger. I agree that at-grade is preferred, for cost reasons.
Trenching is a bad idea. Legal or not, thousands of voters east of the tracks enjoy walkable access to the beach, and the high property values that come with walkable access to the beach.
If you ever make progress on that goal, we'll fight you tooth and nail.
Kranz has done less on NCTD than Stocks. If I'm wrong, please be specific and tell me what Kranz has done that Stock didn't or couldn't.
ReplyDeleteTony worked with NCTD on the parking issue in Leucadia. NCTD wanted to boot all the cars off of the right of way in Leucadia.
DeleteWe at least have a voice now who understands Leucadia, instead of one that hates Leucadia.
He's working on some other bigger things, can't reveal my sources on that one, sorry.
Stocks tried to have a photo op on the underpass project right before a total rail shutdown so they could complete that project, raising the ire of Amtrak and all the other carriers on the route who are never happy to have rail shut down on a weekend, and don't want to see some local yocal padding his resume with a photo op. He was talked out of it by reps at NCTD and SanDag..
Stocks put in the undersized flood water pipe along the east side of the tracks and lied about it saying that the costal commission would not allow a larger pipe. Not true.
DeleteStocks idea of safety and improvements were to have orange sandbags for two years.
Held off improvements to the intersection for years even though money was available. Did some improvements only after citizens showed pictures of the dangerous conditions.
Threatened that NCTD could close the intersection if there were more safety complaints.
Arranged to pull flood funds allocated for Leucadia and cottonwood and divert them to his regional sports complex.
Kranz has opened doors of communication with NCTD that Stocks thwarted.
Parking, rail trail, access across the tracks, beautification, working for NCTD easements for Streetscape in Leucadia all will be assisted by Kranz.
Specifically.
Well said. In short, Stocks hated Leucadia, Tony Lives here and is working for us. This one is a no brainer...
Delete"Opened doors of communication?" What the hell does that mean in terms of real action? Name actual examples. Kranz has become the master of generic statements; is there any substance underlying such statements as "Opened doors of communication?"
Delete12:22 PM
DeleteCouncilman Tony "give me a $6000 free trip" Kranz hates Leucadia too. Have you looked at the number of newly planted trees on 101 that are dead or dying? Not a sound from Kranz.
No council person has ever come to the rescue of trees in the coastal Leucadia area. Try again...
Delete12:23, in plain English, Stocks was such a jerk he wasn't going to get any favors from Matt Tucker and the crew at NCTD. His attempted PR stunt over the underpass was the last straw. Tony actually knows how to work with people, and ask some decent questions for Encinitas at NCTD board meetings.
DeleteTony "give me a $6000 free trip" Kranz is a do nothing except when it comes to screwing the neighborhoods.
DeleteEither way he will be around for at least two more years, but we have a chance to dump Gaspar now....
DeleteYou can still dump Gaspar and keep Kranz in his council seat by voting for Cameron.
DeleteSheila Cameron for mayor.
Yeah, except my knowledge of past campaigns that were succesfuly from having worked on 5-6 campaigns tells me Sheila won't win. Starting at the 11th hour is not a recipe for success. With all due respect, we needed another horse in this race....
DeleteThe reason we don't have coastal rail trail, and Solana Beach does:
ReplyDeleteAs a condition for building CRT, NCTD insists that the entire rail corridor be fenced off, effectively blocking coastal access for walkers, joggers, surfers, etc. Past councils were smart enough to realize that would be political suicide. Thus, no coastal rail trail.
The underpasses, if they ever get finished, might provide enough pedestrian access that a future council may reconsider coastal rail trail.
They do have several overpasses in Solana Beach that alleviate the issue of coastal access, so that's not a real problem in my eyes. There is one in between Lomas Santa Fe and Tabletops and one in between Via De La Valle and Lomas.
ReplyDeleteObviously with a lowered track like they have through SB, you do not want anyone near the right of way.
Trenching IS a good idea through Leucadia. The whole traffic issue with the train would be eliminated. The main issue there is you need Federal Funds to do the project. SB got the tracks lowered thanks to their leadership going out and getting the $, while ours fiddled...
Agree with the above, NCTD will never permit at grade crossings. No one in rail wants those. The ones in Carlsbad are a constant issue thanks to drunks wandering onto the right of way....
MGJ: no need to be shocked at Cameron supporters not getting the vote split. We do get it. We are determined not to give Tony any further support, even if it does mean Gaspar gets in. Shocked at that? Don't be, it's perfectly logical given Tony's voting record and truly shocking turn on Prop A, which he was more than happy to support if it meant getting him elected. His turnabout on that was and continues to disgust his former supporters.
ReplyDeleteIt is shocking to many of the departed base that there is actually anyone left to defend Tony. That is what is shocking.
It's your vote, your call, and I respect that. I just come from a practical perspective about which pol I can eliminate the quickest, and that's Gaspar.
DeleteAgain, I think anyone else would've done much the same on Prop A., and I never bought that Tony or Lisa was a big supporter. My shock is that Prop A people were naive enough to think the tepid endorsement of Tony and Lisa was a ringing bell of support...
-MGJ
My vote is about what's going to happen in the future.
DeleteProp A is in the past.
My vote is about the future as well, and I'd like it to be a future without Gaspar, immediately....
DeleteThe sooner we get rid of GASpar, the better off our city will be. Let's stop the "stack and pack" developer friends, her bar friends that gave to her campaign. We don't need any more of her "slick" magic tricks.
DeleteDUMP GASPAR THIS TIME BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
Sorry, meant his turnabout disgusted and continues to disgust.... So while I'm here, MGJ, what are your thoughts on his Prop A betrayal?
ReplyDeleteWow!!! PROP A BETRAYAL !!!!
DeleteThere is and never was a BETRAYAL. Reasonable people from both sides split pretty evenly throughout the city. A good deal of citizens voted for A to stop density bonuses, which it didn't. Half the city did not betray the other half.
Focus on issues that help the future, not issues that have been resolved and nothing can be done without the way back machine.
12:27
DeleteYou are wrong. Any commerical lot targeted for rezoning under GPAC ERAC was stopped by prop A- that stopped exposure of those sites to DB and lawyers like Marco- stop spreading misinformation
also, the change in SB interepretation was the result of Prop A pressure on the council, they knew they had to act
I'm not as interested in the Prop A. stuff as the true believer squad on here, nor did I have time to dig into the nitty gritty at the time. Any non-darkside candidate in that last election was going to get behind Prop A. To think otherwise is a fantasy in my mind.
ReplyDeleteI'm also of the belief that there should have been a real meeting of the minds on Prop A. between the candidates, prop a. folks etc. Then maybe any of these friction points could have been evened out.
Instead we have what we have now, which is Gaspar taking over the mayor's seat, instead of leaving politics forever. My opinion was and still is that Dennis Holz was head and shoulders above any council member we have had the last 20+ years, yup even Maggie, who voted with Stocks and Bond a majority of the time.
Everyone else for me is a degree of grin and bear it to a degree, which is how I feel about most of the pols I vote for in other non-city offices.
In short, Tony's the best we've got, and I will be watching closely the next 2 years to see what he does. If I don't dig it, I will vote another way.
The real issue is people of Holz' calliber NOT Running. Doesn't everyone agree we could use someone with the smarts and background of WC, Sculpin, Audet and some of the other leading lights of this board. Where are those people? That's what needs to happen, not folks from the distant political past like Sheila, or novelty candidates like Fidel, or political wannabes like Ziegler that haven't done their work to understand our town.
Julie's the only one in this campaign that I really see that meets a lot of that criteria, and that's why she has my vote, and she's not going to win...
-MGJ
I agree.
DeleteMaggie (RHs) voted for the massive tax giveaway of a 35% pension increase with $tock& that evening.
MGJ,
DeleteIt would be arrogant for you to put your own name on that list, but I'll do it. Why not you?
"Any non-darkside candidate in that last election was going to get behind Prop A. To think otherwise is a fantasy in my mind."
DeleteIn my mind and simplification like you offer, does not understand the issues and ramifications. It is not as black and white as you seem to believe.
"meeting of the minds" ? Prop A was formed by Tony in part and Barth was at the first meeting-
DeleteThe reality is Barth is no different than Stocks or Mike Andreen- she lied, we know that , she hides things, we know that- she pretends to be something she isn't- we know that
what we don't know is how devious Barth is- Bargth figured she could use and manipulate- that is right, manipulate- a group of citizens to get behind Prop A to generate votes for a council majority
expecting them to back off once Barth's political objective was achieved
She didn't expect the residents to actually have the integrity to see it thru
She is manipulative and selfish
If Kranz she will accept a 2 year appointment to the council
That walking group is getting smaller and smaller- eh Teresa,
Barth - the wicked witch of the west.
DeleteThanks 1:20, I doubt I could take the stress to be totally honest with you, and as we have all noted, few are the people who are working full time who have served on the council lately.
DeleteI would have to have a different set of economic circumstances to be able to run, but I'll continue to be involved..
-MGJ
1:40, nothing's as black and white as any of us would like to believe, why do you think there's so much guessing and conspiracy theories on this board, because people can't wrap their heads around the complexities that potential candidates and current council members face.
DeleteYou have to have a lot of different faces to get elected nowdays, the escalating price of property and limited open space make this a much different political climate than it was 20 years ago....
MJG criteria? Your supporting Kranz, the liar, irresponsible spender, don't hold Vina accountable , let'slet's raise taxes candidate. Hek of a criteria
DeleteThis makes it simple... I am voting for Mike. He is the lessor of evils.
ReplyDeleteWow - what great mayor candidates we have. Haaa! ( and pretty sad)
It's very sad. But, look what we do to people who run. We malign them.
DeleteYup, some of the posts above about Barth prove your point. Teresa had the right intentions, and did some good things. She was not perhaps cut out to be mayor, but I admire her service. Only Gaspar gets muted respect from me on the service point, only because she's shied away from taking a stand at key times, which is the whole point. If you can't take the heat, get off the council.
DeleteThat's one thing Jerome and Teresa DID have in common, they took the heat...
2:55 What good thing did Teresa do?
DeleteShe took $300,000 from funding to fund quiet zones and chesterfield
She raised fees on residents
She underfunded road repairs
She underfunded building repairs
She voted to hire luxury staff at city hall
She proposed a tax hike
She looked the other way at Vina withholding financial data
She told tales on Prop A
she spread misinformation in her newsletters
Help me out, please, what has she done?
Trust ?- nope
Transprarency ? - nope
Responsible spending? -nope
Accountability?- nope
so let us know, what has she done.
Honestly, she was not named Jerome Stocks, Danny Dallager or Jim Bond. Times change, her last 2 years have been a lot different than the prior 6. It's not my role to debate her accomplishments of lack thereof, although I will say a lot of the things you lay at her doorstep have culpability going back several concil terms, if not more.
DeleteI signed out on Barth once she said she's not running. I for one am not a believer in the endless whipping of past council members, it doesn't drive the future. The future is right now, in three weeks. Discussions of upcoming council seats and the mayor's role, scorekeeping on outgoing council does not, at least for me.
They get maligned because when they get in office they fail to follow through on their campaign promises. How can we trust that those kind of people are looking out for our best interests or Encinitas as a whole?
DeleteThese campaign slogans are slick as hell and I don't buy any of them.
One in particular, stands out, but she is not running for council. It is Mo Muir who uses a lawnmower and wants to get on the School Board (San Dieguito) because now her child is going to that district. She has no background in education.
Mo Muir is very much like her husband, get on a board or council and sit there and stare at the ceiling. We can do better than this. We must.
That's why you vote people out. Now's our chance to vote Gaspar out this time. Tony and Muir will be up next time, assuming Lisa doesn't run and we don't have to vote her out.
DeleteFrom what little I know, not having kids, I agree with your assessment on Mo Muir. Anyone have recommendations for both SD Union and EUSD?
I don't see anywhere in Mo Muir's bio that she has ever held a paying job.
DeleteWhy hold a job when the hubby is bringing in $178K/yr?
DeleteLiving is easy!
Mayor Kristin "give me up-zoning and more bars" Gaspar and Councilman Tony "give me a $6000 free trip" Kranz will be happy to know that their no votes on the deemed approved ordinance has lead to a happier downtown area of drunks into the residential areas.
ReplyDeleteOn the council agenda for next week is the city's fairy tale of everyone living happy ever after -
C. FINDINGS
While there were some inspections conducted in June when recruitment for the new Code Enforcement Officer was being conducted, the PACE Program officially started July 1, 2014 with many successes witnessed in the first
quarter. A sense of community pride has developed as City staff worked with the community and business owners to solve a common problem. This interaction minimized the “us vs. them” mentality and created a partnership of
businesses, residents and the City working together to make the Encinitas a thriving, yet safe area to live, work and play.
Barf bags, anyone?
No barf bags here, thanks.
DeleteI like it when, "A sense of community pride has developed as City staff worked with the community and business owners to solve a common problem. This interaction minimized the “us vs. them” mentality and created a partnership of
businesses, residents and the City working together to make the Encinitas a thriving, yet safe area to live, work and play."
It there any reason that you have to specifically not believe this.
There really are people who do more that bitch about things and do nothing else.
There really are many great partnership that greatly benefit the community.
You won't hear about it here.
2:07 i
DeleteIn 2007 Bob Bonde and many others attended the Cardiff Specific Plan meetings organized by the by the city. Like the GPAC update the city and their developer friends had designs to rezone Cardiff for lot line to lot line buildings- high density mixed use. The plan would have taken control of zoning away from residents and put it in the hands of lawyers like Marco Gonzales
Well over a one year period, the residents and Bob attended the meeting. Bob rewrote each chapter of the city plan called the Steele Draft to offer suggestions and recommendations to preserve and enhance Cardiff by protecting current zoning.
The city got frustrated when the committe began to think Ol Bob was making too much sense to be ignored - so they hired a contractor and when it became apparent the residents were influencing the outcome away from high density well the ol city just hired another consultant.
Pretty soon it reached a point that residents no longer trusted city leaders so they stazrted filing the meetings, at their own expense of course.
Finally after 12 months the committee decided Cardiff didn't need that high density crap and voted against it- end of story right?
Well, no so fast whippersnapper, this is Encinitas after all that we talking about. The city leader leading them there meetings, well he told the council that signs his checks that the residents never reached a decision, misrepresenting them- you see, and well that council they just put all that stack and pack back in Cardiff
When it came to the council for a vote the residents, bout 40 of them I recall, well they done showed a movie of the votes of the residents, and that there city leaders, well he run from the building. The council had no option but to throw out the stack and pack zoning and keep the current zoning- for now.
You might say that Bonde fellow with his suggestions preserved and enhanced Cardiff by protecting the current low density commerical zoning
see what happens when residents put truth and honor before profits and sell-outs-
Yeah, I reckon you can read that story, though the city don't like to tell it, and well Ol Teresa Barth is just jealous that residents not named Barth had a greater impact on the community that she has-
The there are those who participated in the process and lived it- now that is a sense of community.
Are we talking Norby here, just for clarification?
DeleteProtect and enhance? Isn't that Catherine Blakespear's slogan?
DeleteWas she at those meeting working side by side with Bob Bonde?
Somebody almost suggested that the city was doing something effective and good. I felt confused and scared.
DeleteBut then someone else redirected the conversation to something shitty and evil the city had done.
Now I feel better.
4:29 It is unfortunate you describe the hundreds of residents and the thousands of hours citizens spent on the.protecting Cardiff zoning as shitty and evil.
Delete5:27,
DeleteRead it again a few times. I have faith you'll eventually get the joke. Move your lips while reading if it helps.
3:30- did you know Norby doesn't get a enc city pension?? He doesn't, now you know.
DeleteWell I reckon I can't recall that there city facilitator's name, kinda stocky and bald as I recall, by golly , you should seen that fella flee the building, oohhee I think his pants might caught fire
Deleteyup, years later they brought him back to lead some other meetin bout rezoning the city, then he was seen about town with that Barth woman, don't know where he's at today
Gaspar claims endorsements from Police and Firefighter unions - who are they really and what does she bring to the table? Higher salaries and early retirements on fat pensions? She has started the developer sponsored Pavlovian campaign - motherhood and apple pie can't be far behind.
Delete11:04 why is the LTC backing blakespear if at grade are imprtant? Kranz Barth and Lisa Liar have had 2 years to take action and have failed
ReplyDeletePublic Works Director Pruim and Masih Maher giving up city right-of-way to the developer for a new density bonus development. Location is the Masonic lodge at 1401 Windsor Road.
ReplyDeleteEver wonder how Pruim and Maher decide which city right-of-way to give back to the property owner? Do they flip a coin? Does the developer throw down coins and let Pruim and Maher decide how many coins they want and how many times they will flip those coins?
How many coins do you have to throw down to get right-of-way given to your property?