Without some connection between Leichtag and the Jewish Federation, this would be a non-story. One Jewish non-profit doesn't necessarily have anything to do with another.
However, it appears that Leichtag and the JF are quite interconnected. The Jewish Federation operates out of the offices of the Jewish Community Foundation San Diego at 4950 Murphy Canyon Road. Essentially, the JF is the networking umbrella organization, while the JCF is the charitable fund.
The Leichtag Foundation is one of the primary funds listed as a part of the JCF.
The JCF has two staff members listed as working with Leichtag, one of whom is an executive there.
Obviously, laws regarding the improper financial influence of public officials are meaningless if gifts can be given to politicians from nominally separate, but clearly related, organizations, before a politician votes to give substantial financial benefits to a group.
We'd say Kranz should have disclosed and recused at the time of the Leichtag vote.
What did Tony know, and when did he know it?
ReplyDelete- The (Apologies to Howard Baker) Sculpin
Why are the pictures of these two women posted? They are not running for political office.
ReplyDeleteWhat Tony did wasn't kosher.
ReplyDeleteChicken little. said the sky is falling and there is a commie under every bed .You are obviously a Gaspar supporter
ReplyDeleteCome on, Tony isn't even a contender. It is Cameron and Gaspar.
ReplyDeleteSave your "Tony for Mayor" signs - they'll go into the Edsel Museum of failures to launch.
DeleteHarumph. Harumph. Harumph.
ReplyDeleteKranz is worst then Dalager!!!!
ReplyDeleteBut he has seen the burning bush! Unfortunately his ethics were lodged in the bush at the time. Maybe he needs to be consuled by Shaffer.
DeleteKranz the Krook!
ReplyDeleteJust when you think it's impossible for this blog to sink any lower......
ReplyDeleteYeah, I just wouldn't have gone there this close to the election WC, there's not enough there. Tony is going to lose anyway.
Delete-MGJ
MGJ,
DeleteI don't think this will have any effect on the election.
I just found the comments linking the trip and the ag zoning vote curious, and I was genuinely surprised to find the organizations are quite intertwined.
well of course they are... And the fact that they list other Jewish Foundations such as the Leichtag Foundation should be no more surprising than a little league team with links to other little league teams, or a chamber of commerce with links to other chambers of commerce, and lord help us all if someone was actually a member or worker of more than one!
DeleteI understand WC, I just wouldn't have gone there. I respect your research, but it's not exactly a smoking gun. Tony's already lost the election, no need to go there.
DeleteI'm hoping, and I know the media is receding faster than Nick Cage's hairline, that the news outlets would have run with this if anything was there.
Gaspar will be the mayor, don't give her any ammo, that's my take...
-MGJ
7:24,
DeleteIf there were financial connections and overlapping management between the baseball teams, and one of the teams sent a politician on an expensive overseas trip before the other team had an important financial matter before the politician, I would expect that politician to recuse himself every time.
It's not just putting a link on a web site. Now you're just being silly.
WC,
DeleteI agree that a recusal would have been the move. It is enough for me to vote for Gaspar or Cameron in this case, no. Tony is the best of the bunch, which may not be saying much. Gaspar's record on this kind of thing is worse and I have my doubts about Sheila at this point, despite campaigning for her in the past.
-MGJ
Should have read "Is it enough"....
DeleteKranz never had a campaign - why did he even bother?
DeleteEU:
DeletePlease don't insult us with your "I don't think this will have any effect on the election" explanation. This blog is all about affecting the election.
Would everyone who hasn't voted, is going to vote, hasn't decided who to vote for, AND reads this blog please raise your hand?
DeleteHow many hands do you see and how does that compare to the margin of victory next week?
EU @ 12:44 PM
DeleteYour justifications and excuses just get lamer and lamer. So if you had a bigger audience and knew that they still hadn't voted yet, you wouldn't have posted this? Please.
Your whole MO is to stir the pot and influence how people think and act here in Encinitas. Instead of thoughtful, evenhanded and well researched posts, it's often "hey this was in my mailbox so it must be legit" to get everyone's blood boiling. At least have the cojones to admit what you're doing.
4:39,
DeleteNo.
What I'm doing is trying to hold our public officials accountable, and to encourage them to govern more responsibly and more ethically, and in a manner consistent with their campaign promises.
I would like nothing more than for our current council to start behaving better so we don't have to keep throwing them out every two years.
If you think that's "lamer and lamer," I'm sorry.
Don't be sorry, WC. You're doing a great job. Thanks for the forum you provide, and the links, articles, and other news. We realize some of this is just coming out, now, so it's not that you withheld anything until just before the election.
Delete5:17 PM
Delete"I would like nothing more than for our current council to start behaving better so we don't have to keep throwing them out every two years."
You just proved why we shouldn't listen to you. Your judgement sucks. And just like the public officials you criticize, you skew your justifications to suit the situation. I know a lot of people here swallow it whole hog but a least a few appear to take it with a grain of salt.
My judgment may indeed suck, but I don't think I'm the only one in this town disappointed with our public officials.
DeleteAnd why is this being posted now, a week BEFORE the election and not in 2013 when the vote was taken? If you could prove Kranz met with developer guy before the trip and the vote and that they discussed the vote, then maybe. There has to be a clear timeline laid out, and clearly it's too late.
ReplyDeleteI understand this blog doesn't back Tony, and I can understand that, but I just think the timing is funky.
Personally, I can tell you it won't matter because on Nov. 5 Gaspar will be your mayor. Did anyone go to the press with this and they passed or did no one care at all..
Kranz's behavior, questionable relationship, and lack of disclosure has been out there for months. This is not "just before the election," this has the appearance of quid pro quo. I'm a former Kranz, not Gaspar, supporter who thinks Kranz is a disaster and should not get the ego boost of election to the post of Mayor. No to Kranz all the way, yes for Cameron.
DeleteAnd the timeline was laid out, so go do your homework, then shaddup.
DeleteHe disclosed the trip, so that doesn't carry water. And the timeline was not laid out, correlation is not causation. Journalism is journalism, guessing is guessing..
DeleteLike I say, no way Tony wins anyway with the vote split. I have my issues with him, but in other areas. Sadly, not as much as I have with Sheila.
The real issue here is the lack of qualified candidates for Mayor when we have a race with the recusing Kristin Gaspar, first term guy Kranz and distant mayor Cameron....It's not a good field...
I personally know that Kranz met with Jim Farley before the trip to Israel and Kranz's vote on accessory use for the Leichtag property. Among other things they discussed the negative impact of Prop. A on some upzoning Leichtag is planning to do. I did not find out about the trip until much later when it broke into the news.
DeleteJim Farley is a lawyer. I'm sure they discussed the ramifications of the trip to Israel. Still Kranz should have disclosed his trip at the time of the vote and should recuse himself from future votes involving Leichtag. If only for the reason that it look bad.
Kranz has been touting Farley's "good ideas" that include a convention center on Saxony since he was elected, about the time the words "pencil out" started coming out of his mouth.
Delete7:10, what's with the "your mayor" stuff? Where do you live and vote?
DeleteI'm sorry this post is just crap.
ReplyDeleteI get it. It's crap when it doesn't align with you or your candidate.
DeleteThis will not be the last attempt these folks will try to get around the ag in perpetuity restriction that they knew was part of the deal when they bought it from the Eckes. When we have council members who help them defy the supposedly forever ag covenant we are all being sold out. How long did it take them to make this first of many more to come ways to weasel around the ag only? One year or so. We are in for much more to come from them and I would be happy to be wrong in this assumption. Please prove me wrong and let this be the last time they seek to get around the ag only designation.
ReplyDeleteOK you're wrong, the zoning for the property is not ag in perpetuity or ag only designation. There are a variety of uses including Botanical Gardens (can you say a half a million visitors a year) and plant based research and development that the property is entitled to via the specific plan. Read it sometime instead of parroting false assumptions :)
DeleteHere's an actual news story...
ReplyDeletehttps://thecoastnews.com/2013/11/appeal-sparks-debate-over-zoning-of-former-ecke-ranch-property/
I agree with MGJ. The more I see the edits of WC, the more I know he is a card carrying KLCC.
ReplyDeleteYou can dog the shit out of fat Dalakranz, but don't even think about saying slightly native about the thought processes of Cameron. Even if she did act totally irrational when she was on Council last time. Thats right WC is newbe and was not around last time Cameron's head was spinning was he?
By all means, please enlighten us about the past actions of Cameron.
DeleteBut stop it with the childish name-calling.
WC,
DeleteI'm not going to go with the above poster, but suffice it to say, Sheila is not up to the gig for a variety of reasons. I have backed her in the past, she's a leading light of the community, but this is the wrong role for her at the wrong time. It's not even close..
"A variety of reasons" is not a response, nor should it be read as a substitute for one. Enough with the insinuation, it makes no argument,
DeleteI'm trying to keep it above board. There are reasons I think would make it hard for Sheila to serve a term. That and the ridculously late entrance to the race make me think this is not the time for her to be mayor.
DeleteFollow the money. It is so obvious what Kranz is guilty of. He already turned on his supporters so now we just want him gone. Vote for Cameron, the obvious choice here.
ReplyDeleteSo late to say vote for anyone at this point. You are all so looking backwards its funny. KLCC members are retarded in everything they do. What is the KLCC motto - "Any positive was is the past" So Sad.
ReplyDeleteKLCC members support Cameron. People that want a happy bright future already voted for someone else. Now that is a happy thought :)
Watch, I am a mind reader. Gaspar squashes the other two losers.
It is a fact there is concern about Cameron upsetting an election some think is a done deal. They know already Sheila will make a strong showing no matter what and will draw more votes than Kranz. I'm glad she is running so I can place a vote that means something to make encinitas a better place. Take your development and bars, I'll take Cameron and Graboi.
ReplyDeleteTake your looking backwards, weedy, cracked paint, bicycle and pedestrian haters, and unsafe vehicle conditions. Take your liars and then vote Cameron and Gaboi. You can have them.
DeleteThat mean you're finally leaving? Don't let the imaginary roundabout hit you in the ass on your way out.
DeleteNope… that means Cameron will get squashed in this election and KLCC will continue to be the jokes of Encinitas. I wouldn't be surprised if people start laughing when they enter the Council Chambers to spew their 3 minutes of vile BS on every topic that they know nothing about at every meeting.
DeleteThe good news is change always happens and the KLCC crowd are very near the end of their life cycle.
Hope all your internal matters are in order for the next step your life if there is one for you. Enjoy day. We all should know they are very limited. Tick Tock Tick Tock.
You sound like a clock that is right two times a day.
DeleteCatherine Blakespear has some serious questions to answer on her campaign and the Coral Tree farm appeal. When she represented the Coral Farm owner, why did Blakespear's name appear as the appellant instead of the owner name?
ReplyDeleteWhy did Blakespear use her campaign PO box address on the city's appeal form?
Did Blakespear reveal in her appeal to the Council that the owner commuted into the area, Encinitas, from Temecula?
This is a bullshit post, WC.
ReplyDeleteI know the reflex here is to fire off any half-baked theory if it taints a local pol, and that's okay--it's the expected standard around here. My concern has nothing to do with Tony. he's a public figure, and fiair game.
But Leichtag has a track record. Leichtag has given millions to the benefit of our town. Their name is on everything from assisted living facilities, to the YMCA, to the new critical care building at Scripps. All of this generosity has come with no accusations of dirty dealing.
If you are going to flip the script, and accuse Lichtag Foundation of bribery (which is exactly your implication), then you better apply a higher level of scrutiny to your evidence.
You shouldn't make this lazy accusation unless you have the goods. Maybe you have more. I hope so, because so far, it's bullshit.
No, I did not accuse anyone of bribery.
DeleteBribery is a specific legal charge which is almost impossible to prove unless there is an explicit quid pro quo, which there certainly isn't in this case.
Even Dalager didn't plead guilty to bribery, I believe, but only to misdemeanor disclosure violations.
Wining and dining politicians to gain influence almost never meets the legal definition of bribery, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't expect higher standards from our public officials.
WC,
DeleteYour 4:17 post underlines your bribery accusation with a wink and nod.
So you didn't use the word bribery because it's hard to prove, eh? Not because it didn't happen?
Again, Tony is fair game, but this post strongly suggests criminal or unethical acts by an institution with a long track record of noble philanthropy in Encinitas. They deserve the benefit of the doubt.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
--Carl Sagan
No.
DeleteOrganizations of all types, good and bad, use legal lobbying, schmoozing, and travel and entertainment, to influence politicians.
The fact that a charity schmoozes politicians is not illegal nor necessarily unethical.
WC,
DeleteNow we are getting somewhere. This is a more specific accusation you are making:
"Organizations of all types, good and bad, use legal lobbying, schmoozing, and travel and entertainment, to influence politicians."
And to prove it, you need evidence to support three points:
1.) That the decision to offer Kranz a trip to Israel was made by the staff of the Leichtag Foundation, and not the staff of the Jewish Federation of San Diego. So far, you have offered no evidence to support this.
2.) That Leichtag Foundation funds were used directly or indirectly to pay for the Kranz trip, and not funds under the direct control of the JF. So far, you've shown nothing to back this us.
3.) That the Leichtag Foundation intent in offering the trip was "to influence politicians" (your words). Once again, you haven't produced anything remotely resembling evidence on this point.
I'm sure you are holding back the details, and will now produce them. Right?
I'll refer you to what I wrote in the post:
DeleteObviously, laws regarding the improper financial influence of public officials are meaningless if gifts can be given to politicians from nominally separate, but clearly related organizations, before a politician votes to give substantial financial benefits to a group.
No one would ever be able to prove the intent you demand, and your requirement for a perfect paper trail of cash is absurd.
If you don't expect higher standards of your public officials, that's your prerogative. I expect more.
Good exchange, folks. But I would agree with the poster that the insinuation is definitely present in the inital piece that Tony did something wrong.
DeleteAnd since we're a week out from the election, I think it's fair to say the further takeaway is don't vote for Tony. Either claim is fair on Tony, he is a public official, but I think the whole thing may lack merit, the same way the Blakespeare goat farm thing lacks merit. It's guilt by association.
Meanwhile, you can go over to Gaspar's campaign filing and see the Union, Developers and more lining up with donations. Again, it's all above board, but there's way more there in terms of potential influence.
My point is, if Tony's selling out, he's doing it too cheaply. If you want to sell out, the Gaspar model is how to do it..
-MGJ
Although Tony disclosed the trip through his financial disclosure statements, he should have disclosed that expensive gift at the Council Meeting when the Leichtag vote was taken by Council regarding what constitutes an accessory use to the primary Agricultural use.
DeleteAt that meeting, Kristin Gaspar and Mark Muir voted that corporate offices should constitute an accessory use not incidental to Ag use.
Tony, Lisa and Teresa disagreed, and prevailed on that motion.
That decision set local precedent with respect to how flexible "incidental accessory uses" can be on Ag land, or within any zoning, really. Anytime a vote is taken by Council, that should be considered part of a "public hearing," and disclosures should be made, not only when there are appeals before Council.
That's the way the policy originally read, and still reads, I believe. Council disclosures should be made before public testimony begins.
Once Teresa Barth is off Council, the policy and protocol should be looked at again, with regard to conducting council meetings, with full disclosure.
9:23 PM
ReplyDeleteYou are confused. The Leichtags passed away and their money was left to the foundation. The people in charge are not the Leichtags.
Catch up 9:28. I used "Leichtag" and "Leichtag Founation."
DeleteWhere in my post did I ever use the words "The Liechtags" or "Leichtag family?"
The foundation has a positive track record, and WC's post implies that they bribed a politician.
It's wrong.
9:23 & 9:38,
DeleteSee "situational ethics."
Yes, Leichtag does a lot of good. No, that doesn't mean Tony shouldn't have recused.
To say that Kranz should have recused himself implies that he had a "self interest" type connection. That Leichtag facilitated Kranz enriching himself by a trip to Israel and therefore got a sympathetic vote from him. While I do think it would have been best for appearances sake for Kranz to state before the vote that he was on the trip, I don't think it required him to recuse himself.
DeleteFrom the reference above, the trip:
Michael Sonduck, President and CEO of the Jewish Federation of San Diego, in commenting on the trip said, “Federation is very excited to partner with Project Interchange through our JCRC in order to bring San Diego County elected officials and community leaders to Israel together. Over our 75+ years of serving the San Diego Jewish Community it has been our privilege to work closely with elected officials at all levels of government. Trips like this only serve to strengthen our relationships by providing elected officials first-hand experiences of Israel. We want to thank the elected officials who joined us on this trip.”
Also Kranz wasn't the only elected official on the trip:
Delegation participants include:
Council Member John Aguilera of Vista
Board of Education Trustee Richard Barrera of the San Diego Unified Board of Education
Kevin Beiser is currently the Vice President of San Diego Unified Board of Education
Council Member George Gastil of Lemon Grove
Council Member Kranz of Encinitas
Council Member Alejandra Sotelo-Solis of National City
Assembly Member Shirley Nash Weber representing California's 79th Assembly District
I guess they all were being bought.
9:38 PM
ReplyDeleteWhen they were living, the Leichtags had control over the foundation money and did donate money to various organizations. That is not in dispute.
The Leichtag board is in charge now, and the direction is different.
Evidence?
DeleteBe very specific.
Names
DeleteDates
Decisions
Quotes
Articles
Public records
If you have evidence that the Leichtag name has been tarnished since the passing of the the original benefactors, produce it in detail.
Still waiting . . .
DeleteThis is indeed weak sauce WC - if there was any doubt before, this blog has now officially jumped the shark
ReplyDeleteHow is it weak sauce? Public officials should not be held to a high standard to avoid the appearance of impropriety?
DeleteIf you don't believe that recusal would have clearly been the right thing to do here, please elaborate.
Are you suggesting Leichtag was buying Tony's vote? Are you suggesting Tony was selling his vote? Don't you think Tony would have voted the same way without a trip? Absent some unexpected flip-flop on the vote, this is a halfassed effort to connect dots that really don't lead anywhere.
Delete7:29-
DeleteLook, you might have questionable morals but don't expect us to join you. Disclosure, open government, trust is just that
All Kranz had to do when the vote came up was say I took a 6K trip with my wife , I don't see a conflict, I am voting
Dalager could have said the same thing when Axtec and Shelly came before him
Shaffer and Barth could have said the same thing when Blakepsear came to argue CTF (they too were silent until outed by residents)
The Aztec thing with Dallager was a blip on the radar. His reall ALLEGED crime was trading favors and influence at a local bank....
Delete9:19, that mean the "poor" CTF owner has two residences: Temecula and Encinitas? The rest sounds shell gamey to me...what was Blakespeare trying to pull?
ReplyDeleteOh, what a tangled web.....
Oh sure, the Leichtag and Ecke names are pristine!
ReplyDeleteWho said anything about the Eckes?
DeleteIf you have facts and evidence that the Leichtag Foundation has a track record of illegal or unethical acts, I'm all ears.
Be very specific and detailed.
Don't worry. Truth is an effective defense against charges of libel and slander.
Oh sure, the Leichtag, Ecke, Gaspar, Vina, etc. names are pristine! Take the blinders off, 7:03.
DeleteWC has shown his bias by choosing KLCC values over free speech. Shame- the value of this blog has diminished.
ReplyDeleteWe now know for certain that this blog is all about bashing anyone that is not lined up with the KLCC twisted backward looking view on life.
Too bad WC you were doing so good for a while. Lets see how long you can keep any interest before you become the next LB?
Your whining has grown tiresome, but I'm still not deleting it.
DeleteTry contributing something of substance to the discussion for once.
6:03, I'm with WC, what the hell does Leucadia have to do with this? Who exactly is the Keep Leucadia Crappy Club anyway?
Delete12:39- They are about 6-8 people who are afraid of change and can not yield. They openly oppose the L101 Streetscape Plan and Improvements.
DeleteThey prefer weeds and litter over flowers, chipped paint on their house over nice looking homes, Fast wide LA style roads over more balance roads that don't promote blight, provide space for all the users of the road and will increase property values instead of lowering them, and believes changes like the rocks and landscaping installed at the Leucadia Road Side Park are "Disney Land" style improvements and a waste of money. They could care less about safety and providing safe conditions for pedestrians and bicyclists.
Most if not all are real old and backwards thing. Nothing fresh left upstairs if you know what I mean. its the same old thought process that brought us Redondo Beach. Blaaah!!!
The KLCC thinks architectural improvements like the Soltera and Surfy Surfy are Disneyland and ugly. Members of the KLCC including the "Leucadia Neighbors" group which Lynn, Bob A, Barbara Yost and Shiela Cameron are active members.
There you have it WC - a post with content and no name calling.
So do you think the KLCC will like the swap meet?
DeleteWC is getting lamer by the second. All that shit about free speech in earlier posts was just BS. WC needs to find integrity. If you support KLCC feel free to post what you like. All others prepare for all comments to be deleted.
ReplyDeleteYou are getting lamer by the second.
DeleteTry posting a substantive criticism without name-calling. It won't be deleted.
The defenders seem to only validate a guilty nerve has been struck.
ReplyDeleteover 50% of the votes have been cast. I can't wait until November 5th!
ReplyDeleteDalakranz takes the bait. Cha Ching Kranz!
ReplyDeleteCatherine "representing an absentee landlord" Blakespear is another slick politician. Not very honest on Blakespear's part to put her campaign donation address on an official city appeal form. Blatant, in your face, campaigning.
ReplyDeleteA few threads ago, folks started playing the guessing game regarding the identity of EU, aka WC Varones. I'd like to offer a few observations.
ReplyDeleteFirst, I don't know who it is, but I'm certain someone out there does, with the following information--all of which is public, culled from wcvarones.com, which has a rick posting history dating to 2004.
- WCV probably works in finance, either as an investor or adviser--many detailed and technical posts on finance and economics.
- WCV lived in San Francisco until some time in 2008, when posts about Del Mar start appearing.
- WCV is definitely male.
- WCV is probably more radically conservative than you would guess by his moderation here. He's a passionate defender of George W. Bush, Fox News, gun rights, and writes humorous commentary like this: "You see, they have this thing called "public transportation" in the Bay Area. It's fast, efficient, and cheap. You people in Southern California should try it some time. The only downside is that there are poor people on public transportation. If we could just keep the poor people off of public transportation, that would be perfect." (12/20/2008)
- WCV likes to play poker in Las Vegas
- WCV considers himself a member of the Tea Party (http://www.wcvarones.com/2010/12/tea-party-saves-america-from-bipartisan.html)
- WCV supports opening more Walmart stores, and says to resist is to hate black people. (http://www.wcvarones.com/2010/12/san-diego-city-council-hates-black.html)
Going through the history of blog posts and opinions was an eye opener. It's clear the WCV holds strong opinions, and is in a position to use editorial control to manipulate local issues and elections. There have been concerns that our local government might use the selection, framing, and timing of issues posted on Peak Democracy to manipulate the populace. How is this different from the position of influence we have given to WCV?
I encourage others to read through the 10-years of political opinions on wcvarones.com, and ask yourself whether you share his political perspective, and whether we are well served by his editorial decisions.
10:52- The difference is that the taxpayers pay for Peak Democracy.
DeleteI do not share WC's political perspectives, which is why I participate on this board. WC may be a "passionate defender" of Fox News, but I have to say he is far more "fair and balanced"! Is he "in a position to use editorial control to manipulate local issues and elections"? Maybe, maybe not - this blog is not widely read, and most participants already have set views - so I'm thinking not. Rather, this is a great place for (at times) a sophisticated discussion of the issues. Other times it's just a grade school brawl.
DeleteKeep up the good work WC
- The Sculpin
It's WC's blog, why shouldn't he do what he wants? We're lucky he gives us the forum that once belonged to the Leucadia Blog but changed when they went Chamber of Commerce....
DeleteKeep on keepin' on.
-MGJ
"Who is WC Varones?" sounds positively Randian ! The truth is (and you have now discovered it). WC Varones is David Koch
DeleteWC blog took off when LB quite allowing Anon posts. JP gave WC the Encinitas open blog spot. WC was at first all about free speech, but time in the blog master position has changed his "view" and now he edits as much as he used to complain about the LB.
DeleteI hope WC get his Varones back.
This blog site is definitely the most informative site going; Leucadia Blog jumped the shark a long time ago and is all about nothing now - more a running commercial. WC edits posts occasionally, but is pretty tolerant about what he allows. The clique that controls this town fears this web site, as it has definitely caused them trouble keeping the masses informed about their motives.
DeleteI support WC's blog, here, and appreciate his moderation. Apparently, some of the irony of some of WC's posts is lost on the commentator above, at 10:52.
ReplyDeleteI will answer your question, 10:52. What is different about the "position of influence" we have "given to WCV," is that we have NOT given him a position of influence; he gave it to himself, as a private citizen, by starting this blog.
This is in direct contrast to Peak Democracy, which is an application which Encinitas taxpayers are funding, and which our elected officials are utilizing in a manner designed to facilitate "perception management."
Thanks EU blog ,Pam ,Herschel ,Kevin,Susan,Dennis,Bruce Lynn and all Prop A people because of you we will elected a pro development mayor,
ReplyDeleteKRISTIN GASPAR Way to go folks!
It's really weird how all those people who supported the council majority last time no longer do, isn't it?
DeleteI wonder what changed.
11:45 I totally disagree. If Gaspar is elected it is because Barth Shaffer and Kranz failed to serve residents-
DeleteThey lied on Prop A
They voted against desert rose
They tried to limit free speech and participation at city hall
They failed to demand EUSD sell at the Naylor Act Price
They looked the other way at Vina withholding information
They spent $500,000 so far on slick manipulative branding for the HEU
screw all three of them- Barth goes out of office as a bitter, petty, vindictive shrew - and her walking group is smaller and smaller
Tony- has been exposed as the village idiot
Shaffer- as the village know nothing claiming to know it all
they are getting what they earned- that is how the real world works
Way to blame the messengers, 11:45! In your upside-down world, do you really believe Kranz didn't bring this on himself and the rest of us?
DeleteAside from the usual "let's all think good thoughts and maybe our Tony will do the right thing, our Tony is better than Gaspar" heads-in-the-sand crowd, who thinks Kranz is worthy of respect and the popular vote? No one, that's who.
But you go right ahead and blame the messenger for Kranz' failure if it makes you feel better.
Forget all the rhetoric, it's voting blocs. Gaspar's team has theirs, the other side has theirs. The problem is, Tony and Sheila share the same bloc. Unless they can steal Gaspar voters or undecideds, I think we know the result. This is an off year election, so there isn't that larger pool of undecided voters.
DeleteThat's all. And yes, Gaspar is your next mayor, but you never know how that will work out. She could run weeping from the chambers in week 1 and be replaced by David Meyer's clown...
Kranz's "bloc" is minuscule compared to what he could have had, had he not effed up so royally. Few are left in his camp...they can be named on a hand and a half.
DeleteMaybe you need to stop complaining and either start your own blog or quit visiting this one!
ReplyDeleteAgree with 12:04. Wouldn't it be nice to have respectful conversations of the topic at hand, pro or against, rather than calling people names, or trying to figure out who Wc is. It doesn't matter who he or she is, what matters is this is a forum that can be used for public discussion of the issues. If you don't like the topic, and don't have anything constructive to say, find another blog. Even the San Diego La Rostra deletes comments if they are not respectful and part of the conversation. Why should this blog be any different? Keep em coming Wc.
ReplyDeleteIt does matter.
DeleteIf you were a Tea Partier, interested in assuring a Gaspar win, you would love to see a split vote among her competitors. Editorial decisions that create the perception that smaller independent candidates have more support than they really do keeps the vote split.
It's astonishing that a group so predisposed to find conspiracies and manipulation are so trusting of this venue, and its anonymous moderator.
1:16 - I find this blog to be a delicious piece of fun, but really - "create the perception that smaller independent candidates have more support than they really do...."? Are you bracing yourself for a loss and wish to lay blame at the feet of this blog? Is Gaspar a tea cozy? I never would have thought.....
Delete- The Sculpin
1:16, you win a gold star! WC is part of a larger conspiracy, except I think he leans Fidel! That's it, Fidel will win with Prop F.
DeleteIt will be interested to see on Alex's relationship with Vina, or is he secretley Vina's son?
-MGJ
Your rational is showing Gaspar will be elected and you prop A people will have a had a direct influence on the results.It's called unintended consequences .With your help We will have elected a pro development mayor rather ironic I think
ReplyDeleteIronic is Kranz screwing his former supporters and causing a pro-dev Mayor to be elected. Oh but wait, Kranz himself would have been the other pro-dev choice. Either way, residents lose with Gaspar or Kranz: take your pick.
DeleteThey loser with all three Gaspar, Kranz and Cameron. Thats why I voted for another. I don't vote for the loser I think will win. I vote for the best candidate.
ReplyDeleteDoes Gaspar get a coronation when elected? The Barbie era is approaching - another sad chapter for Encinitas.
ReplyDelete7:17 I am betting Gaspar's mother has the tiara ready to crown her little girl and am certain there will be a red carpet that she will walk down. The question is, will she wear an evening gown or a bathing suit to receive an award that no one in the entire world has ever, ever had.
ReplyDeleteBarf time!
7:17 AM & 11:18 AM
DeleteYou think you're putting Gaspar down but you're really just showing how childish and immature you are. Grow up.
I'm not interested in having an immature child as mayor. Thank you very much.
Delete9:21 PM
DeleteSo, believing that Gaspar is immature requires one to act immature?
Former Encinitas Mayor Jerome Stocks filed a complaint with the state’s Fair Political Practices Commission, which concluded after a short investigation that Kranz’s vote did not violate conflict-of-interest laws.
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