The comments on that board just absolutely destroy Joe. How The F did we get this career sellout on our council? How soon can we get rid of him? Nobody voted for him, he just moved here before the no election. The whole Joe thing stinks and not a whiff of democracy. Send this con man packing. Can you recall someone who was not elected?
Joe Mosca is a decent and caring individual who takes the time to meet with anyone in the city who has an issue. I have seen him several times come around after talking to people. Joe is an asset to Encinitas. I wish he was Mayor. He is honest and can't be bought .
We may not have to do anything about Joe and his shortsighted views.
Leucadia, Old Encinitas and the northern part of Cardiff could extend to the borders of Olivenhain.
Olivenhain, as the fourth district , could run north to south to the San Elijo lagoon and head west to the southern part of Cardiff.
If that configuration were adopted, and a certain current Planning Commissioner were to run for council, as many are hoping that he will do, Joe would be out of here. One and done Joe.
Everyone has baggage during their life, but I think Joe is listening to the people who do not want cultivation of a federal illegal drug in our city. Keep up the good work, Joe.
Joe should keep his baggage packed. Joe wants no weed in any way shape or form. 64% of Encinitas voted yes. 0% voted for Joe.
Joe is only here to serve the interest of the developers that financed his campaign. Why else would our developer owned council hand pick an outsider over a few good local options? Lets play your game of lame endorsements...
Joe's has been run out of one town for only serving the interest of his donors. He was appointed to the Encinitas city council under shady circumstances. He continues to take stands that defy the majority and enrich his donors. A vote for a joe is a vote for corruption and represents everything wrong with government.
The important distinction is using versus growing. What Mosca said at a town hall meeting is that MJ businesses operate with cash only. Because these businesses are known to have so much cash, they are a huge target for theft and violence, which is not something we want to bring to Encinitas. I found an LA Times article that has the numbers: http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-abcarian-cannabis-cash-20170129-story.html
This whole cultivation thing is just such a non-issue. Far more interesting is the allegedly illegal nature of the pension increases. To think that a) a whole army of attorneys could have missed this, and b) a missed "check the box" requirement could create a legal train wreck is absolutely mind-blowing! Yup - better than a sensi bong hit!
As for Joe, just don't vote for him - simple enough.
There is not one grower left in Encinitas as the article states. I believe we have five growers. The other 4 were smart enough to not want anything to do with growing weed.
Muir has done a lot for this city so I say no, let him be voted out. As for Mosca, he is the worst kind of carpetbagger. Pretends he knows what citizens want, when he actually knows very little except for some hang ons, like Tasha. Yes, she is running for Assembly 10 months after winning a city council seat. How's that for putting herself before the people. Hope she loses to Elizabeth Warren,who is also running for Assembly. Then we vote out Tasha. How can she campaign for a whole district with all of the things going on in Encinitas?
Either let D&E try to make some money growing Cannabis, or build a decent hotel on that land. We don’t have a decent hotel for family and friends to stay during the holidays.
You don't like Best Western Encinitas Inn & Suites at the Vulcan–Encinitas Blvd intersection? How about the two Hiltons in south Carlsbad? How about the Cardiff by the Sea Lodge?
The Carlsbad Hiltons are fine, but I would rather have family stay closer, and contribute to local TOT.
The Cardiff by the Sea Lodge rooms are like a frilly doll house—all six of them.
We have used the Best Western, but professionals like to stay with a chain they use for business travel, as they get extra perks and discounts. There are three mains: Marriott, Hilton, and Starwood.
Carlsbad has them. Solana Beach has them. Del Mar, Vista, Oceanside, Carmel Valley, La Jolla, San Marcos. All have them.
Encinitas is the lodging desert. Name a place with room service in Encinitas. It’s a luxury, until you have jet lagged kids.
9:42 The Hilton between Ave Encinas and Poinsettia is across from Ponto and barely a half mile north of La Costa Ave. That's not close enough for you? The amount of TOT lost to Carlsbad by your guests staying there wouldn't amount to a hill of beans.
If you want a city more highly developed than Encinitas, move to one. Don't bring that big development here. We already have more than enough.
No hotel without voter approval. Under Prop. A agricultural-zone property requires a public vote to change to commercial. That would be difficult with organized opposition.
Some of the comments posted here give me hope that Joe Mosca has been seen for who he really is. If so, Encinitas will have less damage from his political involvement than Sierra Madre did.
Joe lied to everybody. He told preservationists that he was for preservation, and he told developers that he was for development. There is a long list of Mosca lies and betrayals. One of the worst things he did was manipulate sensitive people into thinking he was being persecuted for his lifestyle. Nobody here gives a damn about that, but he hit that spin loudly and for a long time, and some less politically aware people bought it. The consequences are more distrust in the political process, and the confusion that results when someone intentionally misleads others. Joe actually has a knack for dividing a community.
8:13, the worst was about a development plan that would have changed downtown into Orange County kitsch. It was called the Downtown Specific Plan and we stopped it with a new law (Measure V) that said the city had to let residents vote on large scale development projects. Joe had promised that he was in favor of a public vote, got elected, and once in office wanted to forget about the vote, let the plans proceed and evaluate later. You can see it all for yourself if you want to invest a little time and energy in following the Sierra Madre city council meetings tapes.
Traitor Joe, as he came to be known, got elected under false pretenses and then leapt into the arms of the very people he claimed to oppose. He is the developers sweetheart. Doesn't give a shit about you or what you think your community should be.
11:44, the plan to remake downtown Sierra Madre was never implemented, because once the residents realized Joe was lying, we organized and with dedicated efforts put into place Measure V. We defeated him and his development buddies.
He is the weakest amongst those who actually know something. But that is never even close to the majority. Where Joe is very good is with clueless idiots. He plays those folks like a tom-tom. He is masterful at flattery and fanny patting.
Joe works for SDGE and doesn't support CCA's. He's done! Except, this may be a good move for him to get the larger group of anti-pot people to support him.
Leichtag owns Kranz, Kranz is voting for THC products. Monday, October 27, 2014 The Leichtag - Jewish Federation connection Several commenters have made an issue of Tony Kranz having accepted a free $5000 trip to Israel from the Jewish Federation of San Diego, then having voted to allow the Leichtag Foundation to use its agriculturally-zoned land for non-agricultural general office use. The rule change likely saved Leichtag tens of thousands of dollars per year in commercial office space rental.
Without some connection between Leichtag and the Jewish Federation, this would be a non-story. One Jewish non-profit doesn't necessarily have anything to do with another.
However, it appears that Leichtag and the JF are quite interconnected. The Jewish Federation operates out of the offices of the Jewish Community Foundation San Diego at 4950 Murphy Canyon Road. Essentially, the JF is the networking umbrella organization, while the JCF is the charitable fund.
The Leichtag Foundation is one of the primary funds listed as a part of the JCF.
The JCF has two staff members listed as working with Leichtag, one of whom is an executive there.
Obviously, laws regarding the improper financial influence of public officials are meaningless if gifts can be given to politicians from nominally separate, but clearly related organizations, before a politician votes to give substantial financial benefits to a group.
We'd say Kranz should have disclosed and recused at the time of the Leichtag vote.
If I remember correctly we didn't vote for Joe. He was appointed over some very impressive longer term citizens. Also, keeping it current, our Mayor has now endorsed Tasha for Assembly. Tasha has been on the job 10 months and I guess we are not good enough for her ego. She and Joe say one thing and do another. Can't understand why the Mayor doesn't see that, unless there is more in play. Lorena Gonzalez also endorsed Tasha. Go figure. Lorena is the sister of Marco Gonzalez who we all know and love. He has yet to meet a lawsuit against the citizens that he didn't want. Strange times.
Joe wasn’t on the ballot, so his level of support is unknown. But I will bet my worldly possessions that Joe gets more votes in his first reelection bid than Tony did in 2016.
Encinitas Advocate City Council begins reviewing districting maps: Council members Mark Muir and Joe Mosca said Encinitas should continue evaluating maps of four or five districts to give residents multiple options. http://www.delmartimes.net/encinitas-advocate/news/sd-cm-enc-1013-council-districts-20171012-story.html
Asking our opinions is a sham, as always. Council is led by the noses by "staff" and both in lockstep already know what they want. Pretending to care is for show per SOP.
Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho jumping city candidate Joe has to go! He's NOT a true environmentalist. He gets paid by SDGE and never has a meeting where he can actually vote on all the stuff. He has a conflict each meeting. It ridiculous.
Developer: if at first you don’t Vina.... Tasha, Mosca, again. Council members: that’s going to cost you Developer; here’s 20 bucks for your campaign Gaspar; that will be 40 bucks now, I’m county bitch. (Wonder woman’s power is knowing when developers are handing out money) Tasha: that means I get at least 30 Tony: you are soooo flying me to the Star Trek convention, in Israel Muir: staring at the ceiling, loudly mouth breathing pauses to thank staff. Developer: fine, but I’m not buying any of you a new kitchen. Dude walks in with real sharpe knives and freshly baked muffins. Marco: loudly clears his throat Shitty attorney; clears his throat even louder. BIA; bitch slaps Marco and Sabine. Says “Did I Say you can clear your throat”
Q: What happens to these Ag properties if they can afford to grow flowers? A: They grow something else - they have no other choice, they're Ag. So they will NEVER go away, that's a scare tactic by the Pot Farmers.
Are you sure it’s zoned agricultural? If I’m not mistaken, the only land in Encinitas zoned Ag is the Ecke land now owned by Leichtag that created a new zoning category in exchange for the rights to develop Encinitas Ranch. D&E were not a part of that deal.
Even if it was zoned Ag, the owners can claim regulatory taking (unconstitutional) if their property becomes useless due to economic changes in the flower growing market.
If the property was zoned for buggy whip or vacuum tube manufacturing. The 5th and 14th Amendments don’t allow static zoning in a dynamic economic market from basically screwing a property owner.
9:53 is right, I checked with the city. If they can't grow flowers, they can still grow a variety of veggies. Buggy whip or vacuum tubes? How do you make this shit up! It doesn't even make sense on face value.
3:30 The Dramm & Echter land at the corner of Quail Gardens Dr and Leucadia Blvd is in the Encinitas Ranch Specific Plan and is zoned for agriculture, so you are mistaken.
Rather than displaying your ignorance and then posting stupid claims that grow from your ignorance, why not do your homework and find the facts first?
The D&E property is subject to the California Williamson Act which gives them very low property tax rates and is a long-term commitment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamson_Act
There are only five properties with agricultural zoning in Encinitas, all in the Encinitas Ranch Specific Plan. All other properties that still have agricultural businesses are grandfathered in and have residential zoning.
To change from agricultural to residential or commercial zoning requires a public vote for approval under Prop. A. There is no way around this in Encinitas.
Any agricultural property under the Williamson Act must give notice of non-renewal that starts a nine-year period. A cancellation can be done supported by the local jurisdiction, but a penalty payment is involved. It can be substantial. This is what happened to the Ecke property when the Encinitas Ranch housing and shopping center were developed.
There is NO subsidy involved in growing marijuana given by the city of Encinitas or the state of California. It is now legal in the state of California. The city will decide if growing marijuana is allowed or not. The city attorney explained at one of the subcommittee meetings that if the city doesn't say YES or NO in a certain time period, the decision defaults to the state, which would allow for an outsider to come in. Many speakers had complained that the city shouldn't even be considering the question.
Avocado growing is a red herring. For the man on Quail Gardens Drive who spoke at one meeting, it's either a hobby or a tax write off. Probably the latter.
Bull I dont think you can buy Joe, Catherine thought he would be her little pawn but guess what? he has a conscious and integrity unlike Catherine and Tasha no spine and no integrity THEY are the ones in the developer's pockets and working for the state not us.
Mark Muir is a stand up guy and has been an asset to Encinitas for all of his adult life. Just to clear things up and for the record: Mark Muir refuses his rightful pension on City Council. He draws a well deserved pension for his service as Fire Chief. That is a very stressful and important job for our community. Also for the record he has and will always vote NO on anything related to marijuana in any way shape or form. Mark Muir is a great city council member and we are lucky to have him. City Council is a selfless job and not too many people are willing to take it on. BTW especially if you live in Cardiff or District 3 you better be fighting for dear life to keep him on city council. If the other person wins ( did I say Catherine's minion ? ) Cardiff is done for and so is the entire city. If Catherine's pawn wins Im moving from Encinitas, seriously and that breaks my heart. On another note: Joe Mosca is a decent human being and is willing to listen to anyone and takes the time to do so. I have seen several instances when after talking to citizens he comes around. Dont be so quick to judge. Joe is new and in my opinion an asset to Encinitas. Give Joe a chance and if you have an issue he is willing to discuss it with you. Just the fact that he makes himself so available and is willing to consider all sides makes him a great council member. I wish I could say the same about Catherine and Tasha but I can't. They are working for the state and vested interests, perhaps their own interests NOT the best interests of the citizens of Encinitas. Thats my 2 cents worth. Take it or leave it but I think its truth.
The comments on that board just absolutely destroy Joe. How The F did we get this career sellout on our council? How soon can we get rid of him? Nobody voted for him, he just moved here before the no election. The whole Joe thing stinks and not a whiff of democracy. Send this con man packing. Can you recall someone who was not elected?
ReplyDeleteMuir on the first round.
DeleteJoe Mosca is a decent and caring individual who takes the time to meet with anyone in the city who has an issue. I have seen him several times come around after talking to people. Joe is an asset to Encinitas. I wish he was Mayor. He is honest and can't be bought .
DeleteWe may not have to do anything about Joe and his shortsighted views.
ReplyDeleteLeucadia, Old Encinitas and the northern part of Cardiff could extend to the borders of Olivenhain.
Olivenhain, as the fourth district , could run north to south to the San Elijo lagoon and head west to the southern part of Cardiff.
If that configuration were adopted, and a certain current Planning Commissioner were to run for council, as many are hoping that he will do, Joe would be out of here. One and done Joe.
That would be a very good thing for the future of your town.
DeleteEveryone has baggage during their life, but I think Joe is listening to the people who do not want cultivation of a federal illegal drug in our city. Keep up the good work, Joe.
ReplyDeleteJoe should keep his baggage packed. Joe wants no weed in any way shape or form. 64% of Encinitas voted yes. 0% voted for Joe.
DeleteJoe is only here to serve the interest of the developers that financed his campaign. Why else would our developer owned council hand pick an outsider over a few good local options? Lets play your game of lame endorsements...
Joe's has been run out of one town for only serving the interest of his donors. He was appointed to the Encinitas city council under shady circumstances. He continues to take stands that defy the majority and enrich his donors. A vote for a joe is a vote for corruption and represents everything wrong with government.
10:22 AM Jeff Sessions, the Kebler elf, weighing in...
DeleteThe important distinction is using versus growing. What Mosca said at a town hall meeting is that MJ businesses operate with cash only. Because these businesses are known to have so much cash, they are a huge target for theft and violence, which is not something we want to bring to Encinitas. I found an LA Times article that has the numbers: http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-abcarian-cannabis-cash-20170129-story.html
DeleteThis whole cultivation thing is just such a non-issue. Far more interesting is the allegedly illegal nature of the pension increases. To think that a) a whole army of attorneys could have missed this, and b) a missed "check the box" requirement could create a legal train wreck is absolutely mind-blowing! Yup - better than a sensi bong hit!
ReplyDeleteAs for Joe, just don't vote for him - simple enough.
- The Sculpin
Indeed!
DeleteThere's already a lawsuit on this issue in Sonoma.
But I suspect the status quo will prevail.
Muir will be voting no on cultivation. Is it time for him to go too?
ReplyDeleteHow is it this pension hog is still there??? Voters are uninformed or stupid.
Deleteboth.
DeleteThere is not one grower left in Encinitas as the article states. I believe we have five growers. The other 4 were smart enough to not want anything to do with growing weed.
ReplyDeleteMuir has done a lot for this city so I say no, let him be voted out. As for Mosca, he is the worst kind of carpetbagger. Pretends he knows what citizens want, when he actually knows very little except for some hang ons, like Tasha. Yes, she is running for Assembly 10 months after winning a city council seat. How's that for putting herself before the people. Hope she loses to Elizabeth Warren,who is also running for Assembly. Then we vote out Tasha. How can she campaign for a whole district with all of the things going on in Encinitas?
ReplyDeleteYour first sentence doesn't make sense. You say "no" to what? "Muir has done a lot", so get rid of him? Totally inconsistent.
ReplyDeleteEither let D&E try to make some money growing Cannabis, or build a decent hotel on that land. We don’t have a decent hotel for family and friends to stay during the holidays.
ReplyDeleteYou don't like Best Western Encinitas Inn & Suites at the Vulcan–Encinitas Blvd intersection? How about the two Hiltons in south Carlsbad? How about the Cardiff by the Sea Lodge?
DeleteThe Carlsbad Hiltons are fine, but I would rather have family stay closer, and contribute to local TOT.
DeleteThe Cardiff by the Sea Lodge rooms are like a frilly doll house—all six of them.
We have used the Best Western, but professionals like to stay with a chain they use for business travel, as they get extra perks and discounts. There are three mains: Marriott, Hilton, and Starwood.
Carlsbad has them. Solana Beach has them. Del Mar, Vista, Oceanside, Carmel Valley, La Jolla, San Marcos. All have them.
Encinitas is the lodging desert. Name a place with room service in Encinitas. It’s a luxury, until you have jet lagged kids.
Don't be stupid! It's not zoned for a hotel. D&E can plant flowers, vegetables or they sell it to someone who will. It's that simple!
DeleteNope. Either they find a more profitable crop, or it gets developed.
DeleteIf you’ve lived in this town for any length of time, you know this is the reality.
This is a simple vote: greenhouse or stucco?
9:42 The Hilton between Ave Encinas and Poinsettia is across from Ponto and barely a half mile north of La Costa Ave. That's not close enough for you? The amount of TOT lost to Carlsbad by your guests staying there wouldn't amount to a hill of beans.
DeleteIf you want a city more highly developed than Encinitas, move to one. Don't bring that big development here. We already have more than enough.
No hotel without voter approval. Under Prop. A agricultural-zone property requires a public vote to change to commercial. That would be difficult with organized opposition.
DeleteSo let's get to the point, let's roll another joint
ReplyDeleteLet's head on down the road
There's somewhere I gotta go
Mosca is clueless about a lot more Encinitas issues than cannabis cultivation.
ReplyDeleteIf that is the case, then the other 4 members of council are just as clueless.
DeleteSend the carpet bagger packing next election.
DeleteSome of the comments posted here give me hope that Joe Mosca has been seen for who he really is. If so, Encinitas will have less damage from his political involvement than Sierra Madre did.
ReplyDeleteWhat damage is Sierra Madre have? Be specific.
DeleteWhat damage is you got?
Deletegoggle Joe. he was hated in that city for being hard to work with and bought off by the developers.
DeleteJoe lied to everybody. He told preservationists that he was for preservation, and he told developers that he was for development. There is a long list of Mosca lies and betrayals. One of the worst things he did was manipulate sensitive people into thinking he was being persecuted for his lifestyle. Nobody here gives a damn about that, but he hit that spin loudly and for a long time, and some less politically aware people bought it. The consequences are more distrust in the political process, and the confusion that results when someone intentionally misleads others. Joe actually has a knack for dividing a community.
DeleteWhat votes caused damage where he was the deciding vote?
DeleteWatch the videos. It is well documented.
DeleteSo it should be easy for you to name one then.
DeleteIt would be easy for you to do your own research instead of sniveling around looking for an out.
Delete11,000 people in Sierra Madre, 65k plus in Encinitas. Kind of hard to compare the two. However, if you don't like Joe, don't vote for Joe.
Delete-MCJ
8:13, the worst was about a development plan that would have changed downtown into Orange County kitsch. It was called the Downtown Specific Plan and we stopped it with a new law (Measure V) that said the city had to let residents vote on large scale development projects. Joe had promised that he was in favor of a public vote, got elected, and once in office wanted to forget about the vote, let the plans proceed and evaluate later. You can see it all for yourself if you want to invest a little time and energy in following the Sierra Madre city council meetings tapes.
Delete“would have changed”
DeleteConditional tense?
Was the Downtown Specific Plan ever implemented?
Traitor Joe, as he came to be known, got elected under false pretenses and then leapt into the arms of the very people he claimed to oppose. He is the developers sweetheart. Doesn't give a shit about you or what you think your community should be.
Delete11:44, the plan to remake downtown Sierra Madre was never implemented, because once the residents realized Joe was lying, we organized and with dedicated efforts put into place Measure V. We defeated him and his development buddies.
DeleteTraitor Joe, that's a good one!
DeleteJoe is definitely the weakest upcoming candidate.
ReplyDeleteHe is the weakest amongst those who actually know something. But that is never even close to the majority. Where Joe is very good is with clueless idiots. He plays those folks like a tom-tom. He is masterful at flattery and fanny patting.
DeleteJoe works for SDGE and doesn't support CCA's. He's done! Except, this may be a good move for him to get the larger group of anti-pot people to support him.
ReplyDeleteMosca is a wolf in sheep's clothing, plain and simple. He's waiting to show his real intent on a number of issues until after he's reelected.
ReplyDeleteLeichtag owns Kranz, Kranz is voting for THC products.
ReplyDeleteMonday, October 27, 2014
The Leichtag - Jewish Federation connection
Several commenters have made an issue of Tony Kranz having accepted a free $5000 trip to Israel from the Jewish Federation of San Diego, then having voted to allow the Leichtag Foundation to use its agriculturally-zoned land for non-agricultural general office use. The rule change likely saved Leichtag tens of thousands of dollars per year in commercial office space rental.
Without some connection between Leichtag and the Jewish Federation, this would be a non-story. One Jewish non-profit doesn't necessarily have anything to do with another.
However, it appears that Leichtag and the JF are quite interconnected. The Jewish Federation operates out of the offices of the Jewish Community Foundation San Diego at 4950 Murphy Canyon Road. Essentially, the JF is the networking umbrella organization, while the JCF is the charitable fund.
The Leichtag Foundation is one of the primary funds listed as a part of the JCF.
The JCF has two staff members listed as working with Leichtag, one of whom is an executive there.
Obviously, laws regarding the improper financial influence of public officials are meaningless if gifts can be given to politicians from nominally separate, but clearly related organizations, before a politician votes to give substantial financial benefits to a group.
We'd say Kranz should have disclosed and recused at the time of the Leichtag vote.
Kranz is for Kranz and not the local boy he bills himself as. Unfortunate so many folks were taken in.
ReplyDeleteIf I remember correctly we didn't vote for Joe. He was appointed over some very impressive longer term citizens. Also, keeping it current, our Mayor has now endorsed Tasha for Assembly. Tasha has been on the job 10 months and I guess we are not good enough for her ego. She and Joe say one thing and do another. Can't understand why the Mayor doesn't see that, unless there is more in play. Lorena Gonzalez also endorsed Tasha. Go figure. Lorena is the sister of Marco Gonzalez who we all know and love. He has yet to meet a lawsuit against the citizens that he didn't want. Strange times.
ReplyDeleteIf any of those other citizens would have been appointed, then we also wouldn’t have voted for them.
DeleteTony B was the only one who ran last cycle, and he came in last place. Last place means the voters do not want him to be in council.
Tony received exponentially more votes than Joe. So by your reasoning nobody wanted him, either.
DeleteJoe wasn’t on the ballot, so his level of support is unknown. But I will bet my worldly possessions that Joe gets more votes in his first reelection bid than Tony did in 2016.
DeleteWould you take that bet?
Sure. But since the city is now divided into 5 parts, exactly how will he do that? I am sure you will explain.
DeletePercentage of votes for the candidate relative to total number of votes cast in that election.
DeleteTony received 17% of the vote. I’m pretty sure Joe will do better than that in any district.
DeleteWho will be running against Joe?
DeleteDoesn’t matter.
DeleteHave we decided to go with 5 districts? I thought we were going with 4 and an at large Mayor?What did I miss.
ReplyDeleteEncinitas Advocate
DeleteCity Council begins reviewing districting maps: Council members Mark Muir and Joe Mosca said Encinitas should continue evaluating maps of four or five districts to give residents multiple options.
http://www.delmartimes.net/encinitas-advocate/news/sd-cm-enc-1013-council-districts-20171012-story.html
Asking our opinions is a sham, as always. Council is led by the noses by "staff" and both in lockstep already know what they want. Pretending to care is for show per SOP.
DeleteHey, Hey, Ho, Ho jumping city candidate Joe has to go! He's NOT a true environmentalist. He gets paid by SDGE and never has a meeting where he can actually vote on all the stuff. He has a conflict each meeting. It ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteTraitor Joe, Gus 2.0.
ReplyDeleteDeveloper: if at first you don’t Vina.... Tasha, Mosca, again.
Council members: that’s going to cost you
Developer; here’s 20 bucks for your campaign
Gaspar; that will be 40 bucks now, I’m county bitch. (Wonder woman’s power is knowing when developers are handing out money)
Tasha: that means I get at least 30
Tony: you are soooo flying me to the Star Trek convention, in Israel
Muir: staring at the ceiling, loudly mouth breathing pauses to thank staff.
Developer: fine, but I’m not buying any of you a new kitchen.
Dude walks in with real sharpe knives and freshly baked muffins.
Marco: loudly clears his throat
Shitty attorney; clears his throat even louder.
BIA; bitch slaps Marco and Sabine. Says “Did I Say you can clear your throat”
I'm not sure I would want to live in the world you envision...............
DeleteOh, but you already do...........
DeleteThe developers are in panic mode that growing hemp will save the last of the greenhouses from selling out and turning into McMansions.
ReplyDeleteI will all be developed eventually. Make the hemp farmers agree to only grow pot there 1/2 the years and make the property open space after 100 years.
ReplyDeleteNow that would be something I would get behind.
Google Regulatory Taking
DeleteQ: What happens to these Ag properties if they can afford to grow flowers?
ReplyDeleteA: They grow something else - they have no other choice, they're Ag.
So they will NEVER go away, that's a scare tactic by the Pot Farmers.
Are you sure it’s zoned agricultural? If I’m not mistaken, the only land in Encinitas zoned Ag is the Ecke land now owned by Leichtag that created a new zoning category in exchange for the rights to develop Encinitas Ranch. D&E were not a part of that deal.
DeleteEven if it was zoned Ag, the owners can claim regulatory taking (unconstitutional) if their property becomes useless due to economic changes in the flower growing market.
If the property was zoned for buggy whip or vacuum tube manufacturing. The 5th and 14th Amendments don’t allow static zoning in a dynamic economic market from basically screwing a property owner.
9:53 is right, I checked with the city. If they can't grow flowers, they can still grow a variety of veggies. Buggy whip or vacuum tubes? How do you make this shit up! It doesn't even make sense on face value.
Delete95% of our ag businesses have left.
DeleteIt’s a strong argument in court that the market forces have changed.
Zoning cannot be used to force a use that the economics no longer support.
Instead of making shit up, please give me a court case reference. What about the local avocado growers, should we subsidize them?
Delete3:30 The Dramm & Echter land at the corner of Quail Gardens Dr and Leucadia Blvd is in the Encinitas Ranch Specific Plan and is zoned for agriculture, so you are mistaken.
DeleteRather than displaying your ignorance and then posting stupid claims that grow from your ignorance, why not do your homework and find the facts first?
9:37 Avocado growers in Encinitas? Where?
The D&E property is subject to the California Williamson Act which gives them very low property tax rates and is a long-term commitment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamson_Act
DeleteTen years. Did D&E invoke the Williamson Act and, if so, when does the ten-year period expire?
DeleteThe D&E property is not on the official state map of properties under a Williamson Act preservation contract.
Deleteftp://ftp.consrv.ca.gov/pub/dlrp/wa/San_Diego_w_13_14_WA.pdf
There are only five properties with agricultural zoning in Encinitas, all in the Encinitas Ranch Specific Plan. All other properties that still have agricultural businesses are grandfathered in and have residential zoning.
DeleteTo change from agricultural to residential or commercial zoning requires a public vote for approval under Prop. A. There is no way around this in Encinitas.
Any agricultural property under the Williamson Act must give notice of non-renewal that starts a nine-year period. A cancellation can be done supported by the local jurisdiction, but a penalty payment is involved. It can be substantial. This is what happened to the Ecke property when the Encinitas Ranch housing and shopping center were developed.
There is NO subsidy involved in growing marijuana given by the city of Encinitas or the state of California. It is now legal in the state of California. The city will decide if growing marijuana is allowed or not. The city attorney explained at one of the subcommittee meetings that if the city doesn't say YES or NO in a certain time period, the decision defaults to the state, which would allow for an outsider to come in. Many speakers had complained that the city shouldn't even be considering the question.
Avocado growing is a red herring. For the man on Quail Gardens Drive who spoke at one meeting, it's either a hobby or a tax write off. Probably the latter.
12:35 sounds like good information.
DeleteJoe Mosca plays both sides of the fence. Pick a position Joe and stick with it! Joe is not very smart (and I'm being nice)!
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DeleteJoe can't think for himself! He's told what to do by the others.
ReplyDeleteJoe paid good money for that council seat!!!
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DeleteBull I dont think you can buy Joe, Catherine thought he would be her little pawn but guess what? he has a conscious and integrity unlike Catherine and Tasha no spine and no integrity THEY are the ones in the developer's pockets and working for the state not us.
DeleteMark Muir is a stand up guy and has been an asset to Encinitas for all of his adult life. Just to clear things up and for the record: Mark Muir refuses his rightful pension on City Council. He draws a well deserved pension for his service as Fire Chief. That is a very stressful and important job for our community. Also for the record he has and will always vote NO on anything related to marijuana in any way shape or form. Mark Muir is a great city council member and we are lucky to have him. City Council is a selfless job and not too many people are willing to take it on. BTW especially if you live in Cardiff or District 3 you better be fighting for dear life to keep him on city council. If the other person wins ( did I say Catherine's minion ? ) Cardiff is done for and so is the entire city. If Catherine's pawn wins Im moving from Encinitas, seriously and that breaks my heart. On another note: Joe Mosca is a decent human being and is willing to listen to anyone and takes the time to do so. I have seen several instances when after talking to citizens he comes around. Dont be so quick to judge. Joe is new and in my opinion an asset to Encinitas. Give Joe a chance and if you have an issue he is willing to discuss it with you. Just the fact that he makes himself so available and is willing to consider all sides makes him a great council member. I wish I could say the same about Catherine and Tasha but I can't. They are working for the state and vested interests, perhaps their own interests NOT the best interests of the citizens of Encinitas. Thats my 2 cents worth. Take it or leave it but I think its truth.
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