Monday, October 20, 2014

Developer attorney Marco Gonzalez calls high-density development opponents racists

... because nothing builds community and fosters civil dialogue like calling people who disagree with you racists.

Voice of San Diego:
Neighborhoods that line up against dense development projects are motivated by selfishness and closet racism, [Marco Gonzalez] said, at a panel discussion [VOSD columnist Andrew Keatts] hosted last week on dense housing as part of the San Diego Housing Federation’s annual conference.

“It’s an interesting backdrop to practice law after 17 years being the community activist guy,” he said, “when I have to turn to my former clients and activists and call bullshit. And yeah, we use those terms because, frankly, when you get out of the public sphere, and you listen to what these people are saying, what they’re saying is, ‘I got mine, I have no responsibility to provide for them.’ And when the lights are really low, and the groups are really small, it’s, ‘Don’t bring the brown people here, don’t let the poor people in, let’s build a big gate around our little castle, because it’s really nice and pretty and we don’t want them to mess it up.’ And that’s what I’m fighting.”
Does Gonzalez actually go to meetings of really small groups with the lights really low where people actually say "Don't bring the brown people here?" Or is he just completely making the whole thing up? Neither alternative is flattering.

More Marco:
It is that, the “community character” argument is the most powerful sword being thrown up by communities who really don’t want brown people, who really don’t want poor people, who really don’t want to see a development come into their neighborhood because they’ve got theirs, and they don’t care if someone else can’t get the same thing. They don’t want old people to have a place to retire, they don’t want young people to have a place to live near the coast, and they simply say, ‘Wait, I can argue this nebulous concept of community character, and in certain circumstances our elected officials… become weathervanes and not compasses.

179 comments:

  1. The Mexican Al Sharpton. Calling others racist is false empowerment for having no logical rationale otherwise. This guy is a self-promoting hypocrite, out to line his own pockets.

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    1. Wow. One shot, two kills. "Mexican Al Sharpton" Not racist at all.

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    2. 5:16 AM Get over yourself....

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    3. do your research on this guy ... especially his "Environmental Legal Foundation" ...

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  2. I live west of I5. My neighbors two doors down are "brown people". I suspect that they worked hard and managed their money well. That's why they can afford to live here.

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    1. 3:54 I hope you don't really think of them in terms of their skin color, and find it interesting that you have to "suspect" how they earn a living. Have you tried saying "hello?"

      It's also possible that they, like many, many people in Encinitas can afford their present address because they inherited the money to pay for it.

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    2. It's amazing how people interpret innocent remarks. We do say hello to their family every day, but it's not our business to ask about their money, so we suspect our of respect.

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    3. I have no idea what that last phrase means, but I am curious how you can tell they "worked hard and managed their money well" through simple daily greetings, but have no idea what they do for a living. It doesn't add up.

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  3. Before we get to carried away on this topic, I suggest you watch "The Whiteness Project" - a new series on PBS. Should be interesting to watch.

    - The Sculpin

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    1. Correction - I suggest WE watch.........it's good food for thought for all of us......

      - The Sculpin

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    2. According to their FB page, the series will not be broadcast, but is available on the following webpage.

      http://whitenessproject.org/

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    3. And yes, white people get preferred treatment. I went to mostly black schools growing up, and we definitely got special treatment on class selection etc....

      -MGJ

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  4. I know what he's saying, but it's probably not on the mark in this case. People do move to gated communities, Temecula, Arcadia in the 1970's for reasons such as he mentions. It happens.

    Is it legit in this instance? I would say no. This is about money, and class, and where you can live. Can older people on fixed incomes, young people without money and other people afford to live in Encinitas much anymore: No.

    Is Marco a crusader for justice on this one? Not in my book. He's getting paid, and that's ok, but dissagreeing with a guy on density, responsibility for housing and infill is not racism.

    There's another subtext for me with Gonzalez, but it's super sensitive, so I won't go there at this time, but he's off the mark here, and he knows it...

    -MGJ

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    1. The gates are to keep them IN, not us out.

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  5. Is Marco Gonzles calling Julie Graboi out for being an racist/elitist?

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  6. A cheap shot that Marco played the race card. I guess it's the only argument he's got left. His frustration is showing.

    Wasn't this the same panel that Teresa Barth was on?

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    1. "Playing the race card" is a phrase most often played by people desperate to avoid confronting their own racism.

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    2. 5:11 AM Reverse psychology. Being a self flagellating apologist must augment your inferiority complex.

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    3. Yuck. Word salad.

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    4. 2:06 PM Go back to primal grunts then - more your style.

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  7. Marco has gone over the top on this one. I understand his point--even agree to a point. But to call racism as the only reason to be on the other side is silly. Traffic alone could be reason enough to oppose density increases.

    I'm willing to accept some additional traffic and inconvenience in trade for a town that keeps some diversity. For me personnally, having a variety of ages, incomes, social classes, and yes, races represented here has a real value. Letting gentrification run unchecked would leave us with a collection of 30 foot buildings and a boring, homogeneous population. I'm willing to sacrifice a little on density if it avoids that end point.

    But I would not claim that my neighbors who disagree must be motivated by racism.

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    1. One more thing.

      The effects of gentrification on this coast as well understood. The effects have flowed north from La Jolla to Del Mar, to Solana Beach, to Encinitas. If you want a preview of the old, white, plaid-golf-pant future, take a drive south.

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    2. 5:24 "Traffic alone could be reason enough to oppose density increases."

      True, but there is plenty of evidence in America that people will tolerate a life spent in traffic for "stable home prices," "good schools," "low crime rates," and other trappings of racially and economically homogenous neighborhoods. Having grown up in the South and Midwest, I can tell you from experience that traffic jams are well below racism on the white flight motivation list.

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  8. Marco really? Can you still hear what comes out of your mouth or have the downtown bars fed you enough free drinks to insulate you from the reality of what you have become in the publics eye.

    Years ago you deserved some respect for some of the causes you championed. These days, not so much, if at all.

    If the city doesn't give you every thing you want, regarding Desert Rose, you are going the sew them and by extension, all of us. What a petulant little boy you have become. Hopefully our reps won't bend over for every wish you have but with the likes of sabine that may up in the air.

    Squandering a good name and reputation you spent years building up, begs the question, why? It can't be just the money, can it? I wouldn't have thought you were in such a dire need to sell your soul for some pieces of silver and all the while helping our downtown become something that longtime residents could never have imagined would be allowed to come into existence. Vibrant my +++.

    Conscience. Where is yours? Stay thirsty my friend. All the bars are at your disposal.

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    1. What did Gonzales do with the $250.000 he fleeced out of La Jolla for the fireworks lawsuit? Probably donated it to a minority food bank - his own!

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    2. ...and the racists come out of the woodwork. "Minority foodbank?" What a despicable phrase.

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    3. 2:07 Obviously you've never been to a food bank. You'd see racism in your own shadow - another self righteous hypocrite.

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    4. 5:01 Consider yourself officially invited:

      http://www.standrewsepiscopal.org/friday-lunch-program.html

      There is also usually a need to make runs to local grocers to pick up donations.

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    5. anyone know how to make a rolling tumbleweed emoticon?

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  9. The big joke in all this is the known sham of Density Bonus Law that developers exploit in order to keep from providing onsite housing and decently-sized affordable homes. Nearly all Density Bonus units are rented, with at-market profits from their sale at a later date. Many are rented to "low income" family members and never reach the intended recipient.

    Claiming that "brown and poor" people are discriminated against is right, but Gonzalez quite cynically blames the wrong perpetrator. He blames opposers of Density Bonus projects, who rightly point out that neighborhoods are ruined to make room for projects that do not provide as the law intended for lower income earners.

    He should quite obviously blame the greedy creeps who care nothing for the brown and poor, but Gonzalez will never bite the hand that feeds.

    He really makes himself look quite the village idiot with this piece.

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  10. Marco can takes his words and shove them where the sun doesn't shine. Better yet, if he doesn't like us folks here in Encinitas, I suggest he move elsewhere and torment that city and their citizens.

    Mr. Big Lawyer Pants just looking to put more money in his bank account. What scum. Lawyers talk big, but they have little substance when you look beyond the facade.

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    1. And Gonzalez has become the poster child.

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    2. 7:48, "Us folks?" "move elsewhere?"

      Racists and NIMBYs never talk like that, right?

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  11. As a white man I went to school, studied hard, graduated, passed all the exams. Went to work, worked some more, still working my ass off. Because of all this I live near the beach, not at the beach but near the beach.
    I don't recall anyone giving me these things because I am white, I do recall others telling me I work hard. And I do. Btw, most of my brown friends are much more successful than I am. Good for them. Bad for Marco, they blow holes into his poor poor pitiful me argument.
    PS- I wonder if Marco has been to Mexico to see real poverty?? Maybe he should visit the dump in TJ and see the children picking garbage. That's poverty......not living in Olivenhain because you can't afford it is NOT poverty regardless of your skin colour.

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    1. 8:00,

      Are you suggesting you have not benefitted from random chance events beyond your control, including your race?

      Would you have achieved the same station in life if you were born to a poor single mom in Compton, Tijuana, or Mogadishu?

      Personally, I acknowledge and appreciate the blessings of fate that have contributed to my success in equal measure to my drive and hard work. Personally, I express that appreciation by seeking opportunities to pay it forward for someone else who has had less good fortune.

      Your karma. Your call.

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    2. 8PM
      "I don't recall anyone giving me these things because I am white, I do recall others telling me I work hard."

      Of course that's what you remember, you are a white man in 21st century America.

      @9:09 Bingo.

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    3. edit: white man or woman

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  12. Anyone recall Shea Homes talking about how "We keep those people under control," referring to the affordable housing Iris apartments. THAT is the face of prejudice and racism and THAT is Gonzalez's customer.

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    1. 8:07

      No. Care to back that memory up with some evidence? Your own EU post on July 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM doesn't count.

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    2. Huh? Don't know about July 7, but last year during a council meeting, the BIA guy made that comment. Lisa's eyes popped. I'm not going to comb back through all meetings, but you're free to do so. You're also free not to believe me. Or write Lisa and ask her if it happened. It did, and it was one of those gifts to the Prop A folks, among other building industry stumbles, that Prop A proponents capitalized on.

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    3. 8:07 PM

      The closest you can get to a statement anywhere near what you claim is that Shea hired a Carlsbad company to manage the Isis Apartments. The management company, if I remember correctly, made a statement along the lines that any troublesome tenants would be removed. How you came up with "we keep those people under control" is beyond me and I would suggest a little self examination.

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    4. Those were the very words and the reason everyone gasped; he said "control those people."

      Looks like you went from denying it ever happened to remembering a watered-down version. You're funny.

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    5. 1:38, it's also possible that you are addressing two different people.

      What you are suggesting was said borders on commercial disparagement of Shea, so you might want to take a moment to check the accuracy of your recollection. Also, there's a big difference between what you initially quoted and what was suggested by 9:38.

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    6. 1:38 PM

      Go back and watch the video and then tell us at what time that statement was made. It's that easy. Until then I don't believe it was said. You made the claim so you have to back it up.

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  13. Lets all hope city hall will grow a pair and challenge Marco right back. History doesn't provide us with examples since sabine and his firm makes their dough coming and going, whether they win or lose.

    How can this conflicted situation continue to go on? That this council has allowed him to go after the Marrs' and not thrown out all monetary claims against them for their never declared illegal accessory unit is itself criminal.

    They are owed redemption for the needless malicious persecution prosecution by sabine on our dollars with all liens removed and granted a permit legalizing their unit in perpetuity. They are owed much more by this city for their neglect but they wold be happy with just this small gesture after all they have been put through by this selective prosecution.

    By the way, sabine and his firm were already paid almost a hundred grand over this self created and needless drama. We should demand they pay this back, but, yea, I know, that will never happen in the real world.

    What candidates, new or incumbents, have ever stood up for the residents against him? The only two are Julie and Sheila. This city needs people with this type of courage to call out injustice when it is staring us all in the face. Funny, not, that absolutely no one else can claim any such thing. The vote couldn't be more clear where we should be directing our efforts.

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    1. Must be Lorri Green.

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    2. 11:04- It is not me, Lorri Greene, but nice try. My words for Marco would not be allowed on this site. What the poster said was mild in comparison to what I might say if I wanted to go down this particular rabbit hole.

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    3. There is continued willful ignorance on this blog about the role of city attorney. While the city attorney does offer legal advice, the city council, the only legal representatives of the city of Encinitas, are the ones who decide to pursue legal cases and claims. The council may direct the city attorney to pursue the case themselves or hire a firm to do it.

      Got that? It's the city council. Maybe they get bad advice or maybe they are under some kind of spell but nonetheless, it's their responsibility.

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  14. Saying all of Encinitas is white is racist. Assuming only "brown" people are poor is racist.

    "I got mine" is code meaning you aren't socialist enough.

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    1. that is a false analogy. Nobody said any of those things. Did you read the quote?

      P.S., It's been a long time since calling someone a socialist held any power outside wealthy, white, fearful, America.

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    2. 8:33,

      So, as long as there is one black family in Encinitas we have diversity, right? And as long as there is one wealthy Hispanic family, then general demographic trends can be ignored?

      What you are doing is using anecdotal evidence to refute broad statistical truths. Or, to put it more bluntly: lazy hack thinking.

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  15. Marco lives in a nice big home in Village Park. Not sure if it is gated, but it does have an HOA. Kind of hypocritical, IMHO. Also, if he really wanted DB, and not just platitudes, he would also be saying get rid of "in lieu of" fees. A developer can pay the City and then have their DB and build all of the homes and sell them at the same price. If you read the article, even Barth said she didn't buy the argument. Look at the comments section. Marco sold out a long time ago. Kind of a shame, as his firm used to be highly respected by environmentalists. Now, he is just another shill for developers. I'm sure the rest of the partners will go that way as well. I hope DeLano reads him the riot act. As far as Sabine, no one will do anything about him. How many times have people tried to get rid of him? And nothing has worked. He must have dirt on every council member. That is the only thing that makes any sense.

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    1. In-lieu fees apply to the local inclusionary housing ordinance, not density bonus. Density bonus units must be built in the db development.

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      ad hominem attacks do nothing to blunt the undeniable grain(s) of truth in his statements.

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  16. 9:51 PM
    Density bonus houses are not always built in the density bonus development.
    Shea Homes is one example of not building the required low income house.

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    1. Shea set up the Iris deal that was constructed by another firm.

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    2. Are the Iris apts. the one on Vulcan? That was another project that went bankrupt, it was supposed to be condos. Shea bought the property and consolidated all their low income units there.

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    3. Iris is a good project.

      Unless you are an elitist NIMBY.

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    4. Iris is in place of the detached homes promised the low income residents. It's a good project if you're a developer. The rest of us call it a swindle at the low income resident's expense.

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    5. Why do you think affordable housing must be detached single family homes?

      Encinitas has had affordable apartments forever. Construction of new apartment units has not kept pace with the production of detached single family homes. Over time, this imbalance has changed the mix of available housing, and has changed our community character. I'm for preserving our historic proportions of housing types, and our community character.

      How about you?

      Are you for changing our community character through gentrification, or preserving our community character through projects like Isis?

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    6. The Isis Apartments are a one time situation. One of the primary reasons for the deal is that Shea took over the Nantucket developments that were in limbo following the bankruptcy of Barrett. When Barrett went bankrupt, the DB home for the first phase hadn't been built yet leaving one completed home unoccupied and half the second phase was left half built. A developer prior to Shea had tried to get the planning commission to cut them some slack but the commission said no. Surrounding home owners were frustrated with the situation.

      So Shea proposed combining the Nantucket DB units, with some from Coral Cove on Vulcan and the DB units from the Saxony development that they recently purchased all into the Isis apartments which is managed by a property management firm.

      Shea even added one more below market rate home in the Coral Cove development.

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    7. Per muni code inclusionary ordinance, one affordable unit must be provided for every 10 market rate units. The builder can pay an in-lieu fee or build the unit off site instead of among the market rate units.

      Per state law, density bonus affordable units must be built among the market rate units. That's why proposed or built Desert Rose, Hermes, Daphne, E. Jason and Balour projects had/have affordable units in them.

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    8. 8:20 AM and 9:59 AM
      The Shea Homes switch was a swindle of enormous proportions. Shea Homes and Chelsea Corp should be brought up on charges of fraud.

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    9. It was bogus, but I don't think it was fraud. Obviously the city approved it, but it benefits Shea. Building homes is now about getting as many big homes into the available space as possible. Consolidating the low income units off site helps them do this.

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    10. 2:15 PM

      I guess you don't care about the homeowners who live around the Nantucket debacle. The fact that you think it was a swindle shows you don't know how things work.

      And state law doesn't require the DB units be built onsite but it doesn't allow in lieu fees.

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    11. 9:59 am: Do we have ISIS complex in Encinitas? Should we send a predator and bomb it? I had no idea we had a cell so close. What next? Beheading at council meeting? I have seen head rolling, and people being chopped off, but never beheading.

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  17. El Camino Real is already too crowded with cars. I oppose upzoning because we don't need hundreds of more cars from hundreds of new housing units.
    I don't care if the drivers of these cars is white, brown, or yellow.
    Marco is off-base. Maybe he sees the racist angle because he is one inside.

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  18. Teresa Barth agreed with Marcos racist statement. She was with him during the panel discussion.

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  19. Saw this over the weekend. Marcos's firm, Coast Law Group, was just named one of the best places to work in America:

    http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/best-jobs/best-places-to-work-2014

    Check out #8 on the list

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    1. Interesting ranking. Outside Magazine should do a little more investigative work and not just look at the appearance of how cool it is to be one block from Swamis and have surfboards hanging out in the lobby. I don't see them talking about the firm's fight for density bonus and the not-so environmentally minded clients the firm has.

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  20. ‘I got mine, I have no responsibility to provide for them.’ And when the lights are really low, and the groups are really small, it’s, ‘Don’t bring the brown people here, don’t let the poor people in, let’s build a big gate around our little castle, because it’s really nice and pretty and we don’t want them to mess it up.’

    Truer words were perhaps never spoken about our community. I've been saying this for years.

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  21. Truer words were indeed never spoken when referring to the treatment by developers of that affordable home on a density bonus project.

    Why not start with the low-hanging fruit, Mikey? Start with developers, who:

    - Routinely design the affordable home 50%-70% smaller than the project's market rate houses
    - Routinely the affordable house off property and create ghettoes such as Iris, then comment that the community should not worry, as they (the developer) "can control those people" (Shea)
    - Justify tiny lots and offsite trades like Iris with absurd claims such as: "Poor people will feel badly if they can't maintain their yards the same as their neighbors"
    - Go so far as to separate the affordable unit from the rest of the houses with a fence, as we see on Urania

    Known developer tool and infill proponent Gaspar claimed it made sense that affordable units be smaller, as lower-income people can't afford to furnish a larger home.

    Developers treat low-income residents like second-class citizens. Developers bring in the big money and ridiculous claims of outrage when their density bonus windfall profits are threatened. I've been saying this for years.

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    1. 5:25 All true, but none of it changes the fact that he's got the average Encinitas homeowner pegged for the (sometimes racist, usually fearful) NIMBYs they typically are when it comes to allowing affordable housing.

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    2. I don't know about that. What I do know is that Marco's charges are a diversion from the fact that the density bonus law is a nasty joke played on low income residents. Is there even a name for the twist he's promoting on behalf of his client? Sick comes to mind.

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    3. I have never heard the racial or social aspect brought up as a reason to fight high density! Encinitas homeowners usually have their lives' earnings tied up in their homes on top of the sentimental feeling that we all have for where we live. Why should anyone agree with having their views, their safety, their right of way on roads, their privacy, and their peace sold out from under them when building to the General Plan would address these impacts and make for a better quality of life for current and future residents? The answer is that developers and City Planning want to extract every nickel out of a project at the expense of people who already live here.

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    4. Yeah, there are really two separate issues here. One is Marco's involvement with developers in his day job at Coast Law, and lawsuits like Desert Rose.

      The other is whether people in wealthy communities like Encinitas want to live near people of color, and what their feelings are about it.

      There is a point where the two topics intersect, and Marco may have a point about some of HIS friends on the left, but whether that's fair game to use in a discussion about Desert Rose is something different.

      He's playing both sides of the fence here, crusading liberal guy with Latino roots, and white surfer lawyer guy who loves the ocean but can be trusted by developers....

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    5. 7:53 AM
      People of color and the rainbow coalition are among the lamest phrases used by the social engineers. Probably more than 80% of the US population has some Native American in their DNA. All them white folks underneath aren't all pure white. So Marco can stop with this "we are so special because we have more "race" DNA than you have" talk.
      We should all be able to have a mini casino on our property. Sign the initiative.

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    6. 2:55
      I'm guessing the StormFront website is down?

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    7. 80% is a little high, that's like saying everyone's Irish. Watch the Henry Louis Gates show on PBS.....

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    8. 6:04 PM
      Nope, 80% isn't high.
      From the NY Times - Nov. 20, 2013
      24,000-Year-Old Body Shows Kinship to Europeans and American Indians
      The genome of a young boy buried at Mal’ta near Lake Baikal in eastern Siberia some 24,000 years ago has turned out to hold two surprises for anthropologists.
      The first is that the boy’s DNA matches that of Western Europeans, showing that during the last Ice Age people from Europe had reached farther east across Eurasia than previously supposed. Though none of the Mal’ta boy’s skin or hair survives, his genes suggest he would have had brown hair, brown eyes and freckled skin.
      The second surprise is that his DNA also matches a large proportion — about 25 percent — of the DNA of living Native Americans. The first people to arrive in the Americas have long been assumed to have descended from Siberian populations related to East Asians. It now seems that they may be a mixture between the Western Europeans who had reached Siberia and an East Asian population.
      And yes, everyone is also Irish.

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  22. Who is Marco's client is this? I know he's representing the Desert Rose developer but does he rep other local developers? Somebody above suggested Shea homes - no way Marco is repping them. And BTW, I don't always agree with his approach but I think Marco nailed this one. Those who are lashing back probably realize they are the NIMBYs he's referring to.

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    1. No one said he represents Shea on this particular rant of his. He represents the building industry's pathetic efforts to play victim, when they are in fact the baddies where density bonus is involved. The cynical BIA is the biggest NIMBY of them all. Please...Gonzalez' point of view is too weird to even contemplate.

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    2. Did Mr. Gonzalez tell the audience that his lawsuit on the Desert Rose density bonus development involved kicking out the brown people that live and work on the property? That is what he is fighting for -- kicking the brown people out of Encinitas.

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    3. 2:01 are you serious?

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    4. There's a different between being a NIMBY and a racist, if that's what we're talking about here. Most people in an expensive town are NIMBY's, some for good reason....

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    5. 2:13 PM
      Do you think Mr. Gonzalez is doing the right thing by kicking out the brown people (Mr. Gonzalez's term) that live and work on the Desert Rose property?
      Naming anyone by the color of their skin is demeaning and a lack of respect. Marco has shown his true color.

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  23. One of Marcos clients is the Union bar downtown. The only brown people there work in the kitchen. Is your client a bunch of racists also Marco??

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  24. I know Union is NOT one of Marco's clients and never has been. He's been a vocal critic of that place ever since they opened.

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    1. See comment at 7:40 below. Marco is working to protect the Union and make it louder and more unbearable for surrounding neighbors and residents of the Highlands.

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    2. That's his job to represent people, so I can't fault him there. I'm sure it sucks for the SRF people (Ironically Dennis Holz is a kranz backer) and those in the Highlands.

      You guys need to get a group together and go meet with the bar owners down there. Show some muscle, fight your own fight. You are going to have a hard time getting support when that area has been moribund for so long....

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    3. 3:22 PM
      Why should the neighbors have to do the council's job?

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    4. Because that's the reality. You can't expect the council to go after these nice revenue producing bars. You have to make them do it, get on the news etc.

      I'm not saying it's right, but that' s what it will take....

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    5. 6:03 PM
      Where have you been for the last 3 years. The bar problem has been in the news. When the Deemed Approved Ordinance was discussed by council, the bar owners called to their customers to pack city hall.
      What it takes is to vote out Gaspar and get rid of Kranz, both BBFs of the bar owners.

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    6. Interestingly, Marco and his firm represent SRF

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    7. 10:50, They're probaby his landlords.

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  25. I attended a meeting with about 70 other people when they met with neighbors to open the patio at the Union. Marco and David Peck were there supporting Eric the owner. Marco proposed that under CEQA Law, that the noise threshold should be higher for the Union since it was already louder than City code. He said that CEQA allows for starting at the baseline, and adding on another 5 points, so he handily worked for the Union to make it louder and worse for surrounding residents.

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    1. Nope. I know Peck and I was there for the entire meeting. Peck wasn't there. Marco and another lawyer from Coast Law were there holding Eric, the owner's, feet to the fire on the parking issue. Marco later confirmed he and his firm have never represented Union or Eric.

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    2. You were not at the meeting, obviously. Marco didn't hold anyone's feet to the fire. He helped to increase the noise threshold for the patio bar.

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  26. Marco's comments did a poor job of convincing me that racism plays a role in our local politics.

    The comments written here by our citizens have done a much better job.

    Now I know he's at least partially correct.

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    1. Mikey never sleeps.

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    2. A broken clock is correct at least 2X/day - Gonzales doesn't even quailify in the clock category.

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  27. The city needs to count the potential affordable housing it already has. According to EMC, a single accessory dwelling unit (ADU) is allowed BY RIGHT in a residential zone, including single-family residential zones. Why can't every every single family residential subdivision or lot be counted for potential affordable dwelling units? If we identified potential affordable housing that way, we would not need to upzone and we would not need to fulfill state mandates by spot zoning, and paying for huge propaganda campaigns to manipulate citizens with fear.

    I see Marco's comments as a distraction. People are genuinely concerned about traffic increases we've seen and lack of water resources. The extra traffic caused by greater density puts more stress on our deteriorating infrastructure, including road improvements, which are falling further behind, due to deferred maintenance.

    You never hear of deferred pensions!

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    1. We don't lack water resources. We use less than half the imported water we did a decade ago. Use of purple pipe, reductions in irrigated ag land, improved collection and storage of local rainfall, and conservation by residents have all contributed.

      There is a table in the back of the latest CAFR report showing the water stats.

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    2. 8:26 AM
      The CAFR is from June 2013. That is one and a half years ago. Get some current information.

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    3. 9:18, I made a claim (that Encinitas uses less than half the imported water we did a decade ago), and provided a specific source using the most current information available (2013 CAFR).

      If you would like to refute the claim, please provide a more current source of reliable data that contradicts the claim.

      Good luck.

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    4. While we have improved our storage capacity in Southern California with Diamond Lake and other storage resources like the one in Elfin Forrest, questions remain about long term water availability for the future for the entire West.

      Here are some good links showing current conditions in the west.

      Really, this isn't some tit for tat argument about current water resources, it's about our resources for the next 50-100 years given population growth and possible long term drought.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=630CebIu_PA&feature=youtu.be

      http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/resapp/getResGraphsMain.action

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    5. 11:47- you could desalinate but that would require some of your precious ocean water being used for a better purpose than surfing.

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  28. Marco is trying to divert attention away from the density bonus fraud perpetrated by the developers and the BIA lawsuit.
    The BIA knows its lawsuit misrepresents the issues of density bonus that came before the Council.

    Before density bonus can be calculated, a baseline density is determined. In Encinitas all baseline densities for all developments are determined by rounding down any fractions as stated in the municipal code. This rounding down is done in other cities including LA. The BIA has misrepresented the reason and law for rounding down. Rounding down the fraction of a house doesn't make it more difficult for the developer to make a profit. But then, the developer wants a giant size return on investment and an extra house would mean another million dollar market rate house.
    State density bonus law requires that the low income house be of comparable size to the houses in the subdivision. Previously, the developers didn't build a comparable house. They build a 1500 square foot house on the smallest lot in the subdivision, while at the time the market rate houses were more than 2500 square feet. The low income house looked like servant's quarters.
    Did the BIA mention that in the lawsuit?

    The developers found a new way get around state law to get the increase in housing density without building the required low income house on-site in the development as required by state law. The planning department let the developer "transfer" the required house to an apartment rental, thereby letting the developer reap the density bonus reward of increased market rate houses without building the required low income house; a unique bait and switch. Did the BIA lawsuit mention the developer's fraud in not building what was required under law?

    Deducting detention basins from net acreage is not new. Sacramento does it.
    Did the BIA mention that in the lawsuit?

    Finally, did the BIA mention that two member companies on its board profited by the bait and switch of not building on-site the required low income housing as required by state law?

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    1. 8:27 AM

      Do you even know what a "detention basin" is? It's basically a dry pond to retain stormwater. No Encinitas development in recent memory has built a detention basin. Other stormwater facilities, yes, but not detention basins. Deducting them would have no effect here.

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    2. Actually 10:05, detention basins (if that's what they're called) are fairly common out here in Olivenhain, and they're not dry ponds.They're more like french drains on steroids and can be as big as a small house. The city requires that these basins be built to collect and keep storm runoff on the property and out of the streets, storm drains and creeks. Of the several new homes built around my house, all have had to build one.

      - The Sculpin

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    3. 10:14 AM

      Correct. Infiltration or bioretention facilities are like French drains but they aren't detention basins. All new houses and major remodels have to prevent direct discharge of stormwater from impervious surfaces. There are a number of ways to do it including a detention basin but most developments aren't big enough to justify a detention basin so they use a combination of methods. In the stormwater world calling something a detention basin means a dry pond.

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    4. Is that a detention basin at or near the corner of Piraeus and Normandy adjacent to the big density bonus project?

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  29. Marco is channeling hie inner Mexican when convenient. But he married whit, has 2 carrot top kids and lives in a gated enclave on a private road filled with (probably white) like minded folks. So IF he heard any such claptrap in "dimmed rooms late..." it was probably his HOA meeting enjoying craft brew provided by Coast Law. Along with tequila shots...

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    1. The Gonzales crowd are phony, self righteous losers, thinking they are championing some noble social agenda; when, in truth, they are disgruntled under-achievers.

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    2. Hey, why not throw in comments like "mañana" and "siesta" to complete the stereotype. Or you can just say he's lazy and everyone will pick up on the code word.

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    3. Hasta la vista Miguelito Andreen! Vacate a Oceanside a su casa

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    4. "Cow yourself?"

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    5. 11:04 clearly not bilingual.

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  30. Does Marco Gonzales make campaign donations within our city? If so, who has he donated too?

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  31. City website has that info under City Clerk. I know he supports Shaffer, Barth, Kranz and Blakespear. So vote for Julie Graboi for City Council and Sheila Cameron for Mayor to keep Prop A Right to Vote and to oppose DensitybBonus stack n pack! Also to get Deemed Approved ordinance off the shelf and implemented! Tony joined Gaspar and Muir and voted NOT to implement, thereby empowering the Union and Shelter to ruin the nights for Highlands residents and SRF!

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    1. It's not that easy. Gonzalez is a lawyer and activist. He has his hands in a lot of different things, from the Union to east county development to fireworks.

      Right now it doesn't matter who you support, Density bonus is the law of the land, and it's going in.

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    2. Marco is not an activist or an "environmental attorney" he is a for profit blowhart who makes money threatening taxpayers to settle lawsuits - call him what he is. He does not have hands in fires, he has his hand in taxpayers pockets

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  32. Inclusionary Housing

    2006:

    http://archive.ci.encinitas.ca.us/weblink8/DocView.aspx?id=614225

    2014:

    It’s in the process of being updated.

    http://www.encinitasca.gov/index.aspx?page=365&recordid=35&returnURL=%2Findex.aspx

    and

    http://www.encinitasca.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=4332

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  33. On marco's Facebook page he suggests you vote for either Gaspar or Kranz, and Blakespear. Guess he is covering his bases.

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    1. Watch him recommend Alex Fidel also to really cover all his bases

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    2. I saw a "Free Encinitas" sign at the Park in Leucadia. He's clearly targeting the Skateboard/Stoner vote....

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  34. Did Mr. Gonzalez tell the audience that his lawsuit on the Desert Rose density bonus development involved kicking out the brown people that live and work on the property? That is what he is fighting for -- kicking the brown people out of Encinitas.

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  35. Do you know how much it costs to acquire land and build near the coast? New development won't level the playing field in Encinitas or other SD County beach cities, it will just make it wider because more rich people can afford to live here. How's your plan working in San Francisco Marco, where only very rich or people in affordable units can live?

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    1. Ai yi yi - no es bueno! Unless Zukerberg hires me!

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  36. I am thoroughly disgusted with Marco Gonzales and he should be ashamed of the comments he made about those who oppose density bonus. We have a right to protect our city and a right to speak out if we don't like what is going on. To have him label us a "racist" is about as low as he can get. Attorneys do have a knack for creeping to the lowest form.

    Marco Gonzales you owe us an apology.

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    1. Not likely forthcoming from this sleaze bag.

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    2. I'm with you. We should not be blamed for loving our neighborhoods and seeking to preserve what we see as good about them. I will proudly assert that I am a NIMBY in that case.

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    3. Replace the word "neighborhoods" with "race" and you would be a bigot. Not much difference IMHO

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    4. Marco has an $18K nut to bust every month and that's just the rent for the CLG building. All his comments are just trolling for business. Ignore him, nothing hurts the ego maniac more than being ignored.

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    5. 8:16 Too bad. Maybe he should scale down and not live off other people's money.

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    6. @6:52, there is a big difference between "neighborhoods" and "race." Different beasts, and it is a weak way to accuse me of bigotry.

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  37. Kranz has turned his back on Desert Rose and the rest of the neighborhoods. Cameron is our only choice for quality neighborhoods.

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  38. Desalinated water could be a good resource, but it's very expensive, and the desal plants could be environmentally destructive? The biggest reason that we are using less water is because of individual conservation of resources. But as our demand goes down, our rates go up. Water remains a huge concern; that's why California is in a state of emergency. Drought protocol should preempt DB projects.

    Also, who is defining sprawl, here? A lawyer? A commonsense understanding of what sprawl means is "urbanizing" our more rural areas. The Desert Rose project Gonzales is pushing is a classic case of sprawl to the horsey portion of our city. The project may be across the way from a higher density Carlsbad subdivision, but that Carlsbad development is not part of the community character of that neighborhood in Olivenhain.

    Caring about one's community and the neighborhoods within it doesn't make someone a NIMBY or a racist. When it comes to increased traffic, public safety, water supply and infrastructure, we must balance individual property rights and the rights of individuals to expand, with the needs of the citizens, as a whole. If we are in balance, then we could recognize the uncounted affordable housing Encinitas already has, through a true amnesty.

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    1. There is NO water shortage. If there was a shortage do you think your city council would plant 7 acres of grass at the new park?? Of course not, the water shortage mantra is a ploy to raise rates.
      And desal does not cause environmental damages. It's the only source of water on Catalina island and the waters there are just fine.

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    2. Except Cameron has no chance. You're going to be sitting here in two weeks with Gaspar as your mayor and no hope in the neighborhoods for two years.

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    3. Really 7:03, the chart says different.

      http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/reservoirs/RES

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    4. The new park uses purple pipe (recycled water) for all irregation. The only potable water in the park serves the bathrooms and water fountains.

      80% of the water consumed in CA is for agriculture.
      Residential water consumption accounts for only 14% of total water.
      The remaining 6% is used by businesses and governments.

      http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/commentary/where-we-are/in-a-season-of-drought-where-does-the-water-go.html

      If you want to improve water consumption in CA, focus on the crops, yields, efficiency, and waste in the ag sector.

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    5. 8:23 ". . . your mayor . . ." I suppose that means you don't live in Encinitas.

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  39. I'm offended. I'm not racist.

    Now, that Marco has a Mexican last name, but he married a while girl, and lives in a nice house. I have never heard anyone openly say we should kick out minorities, so there's your proof--no racism. Also, no one ever told me I was promoted because of my race--more evidence that my race never affected my life.

    I mean seriously, we may throw around terms like "The Mexican Al Sharpton," and talk with jealousy about how much his rent is, but no racism here.

    We can also throw around jokes about tequila, or say Marco is "channeling his inner Mexican," or throw in some incorrect Spanish phrases for effect. Since when is any of this racist?

    Finally, when the core of the subject is affordable housing, and the shifting demographics that are changing the people who live here, we can say that bricks and mortar are more important than people. We use dog whistle phrases like "protect our neighborhoods" and "defend what we love about this place." Like minded people can hear the whistle, and they know what we mean, but cannot say.

    We know this because we never offer real solutions to affordable housing. Ever.

    (overstated? Maybe. To make a point. Think about it.)

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    1. Sorry to be that guy, but it's "Latino", not Mexican. He was born in the U.S.

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    2. 8:21 not sorry to be that guy- we are either all equal as humans or some think their race should be before others. As for MG- he is whatever is most likley to put $$$$$ in his pockets

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    3. 8:21,

      Those were all direct quotes or paraphrased from earlier posts.

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    4. Yeah, let's not go there, even though Marco did....

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  40. Talk to the developers. Get them to go to Sacramento and re-write the dbl, removing all the loopholes that they greased palms to put in place in the first place.

    Let the developers come to residents and say "we're building as the spirit of the law intended, and nothing less," and then we'll talk. This discussion on racism is a mean smokescreen for developers to hide their dbl gaming behind, plain and simple.

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    1. It's sickening and ironic that primarily right wing, free market, developers (who live in the most development restrictive areas) are all of a sudden so concerned about the plight of poor "brown people".The whole "affordable" meme is complete B.S. the DBL was bought and paid for by specials interest groups and welcomed by the gov-culture because of potential tax revenue.That's it/nothing more. Marco: We are not that stupid!

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    2. It's a sad commentary that so much of the discussion here about affordable housing concerns "those people". Like the city is proposing old style housing projects for "those people". I would venture to say that most of us, regardless of race, ethnicity, or color could afford to buy our houses today if we were only able to put 20% down. Even with current very low mortgage rates, the monthly mortgage payment would be high not to mention higher property taxes.

      So we lucky few who already live here aren't faced with affordability issues. Yet. But our kids are.

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    3. And my three kids can work their way up just like I did. If they don't make it, they'll live someplace else. They are not entitled to live in Encinitas. They can be happy someplace else.

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    4. 11:41 AM

      It's not a question of entitlement. It's a question of opportunity. I often see speakers at council meetings mentioning how long they've lived in Encinitas, especially those who grew up here. It's obviously a point of pride with a little bit of status. Nothing wrong with that.

      But what kind of city will we have if only the well off can live here? I'm not talking about homes on the bluffs. I'm talking about any home in Encinitas.

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    5. It is being posed as entitlement. "My kids won't be able to afford to live here." So what? Too Bad. I couldn't afford to live here either in my 20's. And if I hadn't worked hard to build a career and become financially secure, I still couldn't afford to live here. I can't afford to live in Ranch Santa Fe, so I don't. Why should kids expect to be able to live in Encinitas? Because they grew up here? What does that have to do with being able to afford to live here? There are lots of places to live happily throughout the county and country.

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  41. The discussion of density bonus and racial equality/parity is a red herring. DB is about profit for the developers and tax revenue for the city - it has nothing to do with social demographics. The accusation of racism is the ace card for someone to use when they have no legitimate argument - it is supposed to elicit a guilt complex, where the other party has to be contrite and swear they are not racist. Usually the real racist is the very one making the accusation.

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  42. I purchased my home in Cardiff in 1983. It is a 3 bedroom two bath, two story home. It is called a side-by-side in today's language. I paid $118,000 for it. At the time I was not married and had roommates to help me pay the mortgage. I got married in 1989 and today my husband and I could not afford our own home. And, it just so happens I am Latina, not that should really even matter. I only bring that up because of the Marco's of the world. Marco's sister, Lorena, is an awesome woman and is now an Assemblywoman in California. Marco, oh the other hand is still a small town attorney. He has done well for himself in his own way. he has a beautiful home, two lovely children, a beautiful wife, and a thriving law practice. Their mother was a nurse and father an immigrant farm worker. I have never seen Marco pull the race card before, and I am saddened he has stooped this low, as I know many other Latino's who would disagree with him on DB. Thank you.

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    1. If we were "racist" as Marco indicated, then we would have booted his ass out of town long ago.

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    2. 11:48 - that's really pathetic.........it wasn't too long ago that RSF had a clause in it's covenant that Latino's were prohibited from living or owning property in RSF. Thus the growth of Eden Gardens in Solana Beach. Given this backdrop, your comments take on a completely different meaning and tone.

      - The Sculpin

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    3. Every DB project I can think of — Desert Rose, Balour, Hermes, Daphne, Fulvia — has or proposes to include one "affordable" unit. Of those, the "affordable" unit in the completed projects has been retained by the developer and rented. After 30 years, the developer will sell the "affordable" unit at market rate.

      How many DB projects with one "affordable" unit under those conditions will have to be built in Encinitas to have any real impact on the availability of truly affordable housing in Encinitas?

      As others have posted, DB is a sham and scam by developers. City staff and council have promoted and facilitated DB because they want the property and sales tax revenue. If any City Council member truly believes that DB projects provide affordable housing, he/she is way below dumb.

      There have been socioeconomic strata since there have been societies. People live how and where they can afford to live. I don't live on the bluff in Encinitas, in Rancho Santa Fe, in La Jolla or on Point Loma because I can't afford to. That principle generalizes.

      Birds of a socioeconomic feather flock together. That fact is as old as time. Now, misguided politicians beholden to special interests and staffers aiming to serve themselves push stack-and-pack in the name of diversity and reductions in GHG emissions. There's not much if any gain. The huge downside is destruction of traditional communities and reduction in quality of life.

      Now to cut off at the pass anybody who's tempted to condemn what I've posted as racist. The circumstances are not about race. They're about money.

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    4. But 1 :16 - race and money are not mutually independent. I remember listening to an interview with Chris Rock, where he spoke about racism. Not the in-your-face racism but societal racism. At the time, he was one of the top comedians in the business. His stature allowed him to buy a house in a very upscale neighborhood - just down the street from Bernie Mac - another top comedian. They were also the only black families in this neighborhood. He got to know his neighbors, and they were doctors, dentists, lawyers, etc. So here's the rub - his neighbors were no where near the top of their field. They weren't CEO's or CFO's of large public companies, or absurdly successful entrepreneurs. They were just average, unremarkable, white professionals. They weren't the best at what they did. So he asks, where were the average, unremarkable, black professionals? None of his neighbors were racists (presumably), but racism was still a factor in keeping birds of a socioeconomic feather from flocking together.

      - The Sculpin

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    5. Sculpin, I have to say if you like what Marco G. said, then I don't have much respect for you. In fact, I have zero. Maybe we should boot your ass out of town as well.

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    6. 2:11 - so much for broadening the discussion! Besides, this discussion moved off of Marco G. quite some time ago. Try and keep up, Mongo......................

      oh, who's "we"?

      - The Sculpin

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    7. 2:23 Listen dip shit, "we" are those who don't like being called racist because of a density bonus issue. Try keeping up or shut the hell up.

      Ya, that would be you, bottom feeder.

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    8. 2:03 Maybe they didn't like the neighborhood. Black professionals who are above the middle in their fields but not at the top don't live in the ghetto, right?

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    9. Fair point, Sculpin as far as societal/institutional racism goes...

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    10. Sculpin quotes Chris Rock as his authority on racism?? He really is a bottom dweller - on comments and where he derives his "information".

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  43. 11:33- Beautifully said. Perhaps Marco is trying to compete with is sister? I don't know. I am also Latino and have never said anything on this blog. But I decided to risk it hoping no one will laugh at me. I was born in Leucadia. Our family struggled but we managed to keep our land. We are not rich, but I have never felt that I was discriminated against in this town. We sell flowers and still do. We hope to keep selling and not sell out. Marco's comments bother me because even though I don't know much about density bonus, I do know that I have been treated fairly in this town and so have my children. I thanks you for giving me the courage to say something.

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  44. Here is problem with Marco using the race card. He lives in a very nice neighborhood and he does well for himself financially. No problem. However, he is lobbying for DB, which usually means low income. So, if he wants low income for people of any race, isn't he being a bit racist, since he already has his?

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      I honesty have no idea what you are trying to say or ask.

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  45. Gee wiz, bottom feeder, thanks again for your valuable contribution to the discussion. We can always count on you to provide more invaluable comments.

    One of these days something might spring forth from your thoughts that has some value. Hope springs eternal even when your history here provides none.

    You can always show up at our city council meeting and prove you have some worth to this community. Tonight you will have one of the last chances before the election to prove you care even a little about these issues you choose to address here.

    A side benefit will be to see the truly caring, dedicated, committed citizens that try to advance the state of our city, not from the sidelines, but direct democracy in action.

    Our representatives have had problems listening to their publics wishes for decades but we at long last have two that we can believe in and know they won't turn their backs on those who supported them while campaigning.

    There are only two viable candidates who have come forward without all the strings attached that Kristen, Tony and Catherine bring with them. Alex is one who has not been compromised either and good on him for that.

    Julie and Sheila come on down.

    Hey, bottom feeder, come on out tonight and try to gain some new perspectives. All are welcome. Hope to see you there. What a novel idea. Please consider.

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    1. OK - back to politics!
      I like Julie - Sheila is a real tough sell........................
      I think Julie will have a much better working relationship with the council than Sheila could. I'm confident she could find common ground with Gaspar and move her left. I also believe she could knock some sense into Kranz and make him fly straight. Should be no issue with Muir, either. I really don't know what to think about Shaffer.........

      Have fun at your meeting!!

      - The Sculpin

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    2. 4:16 Like you know what you're talking about. Get a life or go bait your hook bottom feeder.

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    3. 4:42 - looks like I already have!

      - The Sculpin

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    4. Yup, Sheila is a very tough sell. I'm behind Julie 100%, but Sheila's past issues getting along with people and her current issues preclude me from voting for her. Plus with her in the race, it pretty much puts Gaspar in.

      I agree that it's anyone's guess where Lisa's coming from at this point, but the rest of them I think Julie could straighten out. With Sheila in there, it would be open warfare.

      -MGJ

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  46. sculpin, also called bullhead or sea scorpion, any of the numerous, usually small fish of the family Cottidae (order Scorpaeniformes), found in both salt water and ...
    Does this fit the above poster?

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  47. Gee whiz, bottom feeder, what a surprise that you have no interest in taking part in the proceedings for the betterment of our towns future. I guess we will just have to do without you. Oh yea, we already do that without you anyway. You are still welcome if you are ever moved enough to participate in person. Rest assured your position here is secure.

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  48. 5:22pm lets not forget sculpins feed on the detritus and whatever scum that settles down there in the bottom feeders world. That does sound familiar after all, eh bottom feeder?

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