Wednesday, May 20, 2015

Council to ban drinking in parks not because it's a problem but because staff told them to

Encinitas Advocate:
“The reason we looked at this… is because of Encinitas Community Park,” city Parks & Recreation Director Lisa Rudloff said Friday.

The huge new park — a 44-acre expanse that includes sports fields, a skate park, playgrounds and a dog park — is by far the city’s largest parkland. And, it’s had some alcohol-related problems since it opened in January, Rudloff said.

Between Jan. 10 and April 15, county sheriff’s deputies were called out to the park eight times for alcohol and drug-related incidents, and one person was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of public intoxication, records indicate.
It's such a non-issue that staff had to lump in other drugs -- not alcohol -- to find even eight incidents over four months. And most of those were probably that same homeless guy who could be arrested for intoxication in public which is already a crime. How many problems were caused by moms having box wine at kids' birthdays or dads having a beer while using the new barbecue facilities?

Leucadia Blog has it exactly right:
Soooooooo, in a city where the hot button issue has been drinking and partying along the now trending coast highway Encinitas district, the city is considering banning alcohol in our parks. That means all the cute yoga moms of Encinitas can no longer drink box white wine at their little kid's birthday parties.

No more mimosas in red cups!

The message from the city: drinking in parks is bad unless we are selling the drinks to you.


UPDATE: In a rare victory for common sense, ban delayed until Sheriffs show there's a problem. The cooler heads were Kristin Gaspar, Mark Muir, and Catherine Blakespear, while Tony Kranz and Lisa Shaffer voted to go along with staff's suggestion of total prohibition.

41 comments:

  1. The blog's "message from the city" is perfect.

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  2. Except the city isn't selling the drinks, bars and restaurants are. What do other cities do? I know you can't drink on the beach in San Diego anymore...

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    1. You can buy alcohol at city sanctioned events like the street fair.

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    2. "You can buy alcohol at city sanctioned events like the street fair" and then you have to drink it in a cage like an animal at the zoo! Alcohol has always been American, let if flow in a natural environment as that where Nordic Americans and Mexicans discuss politics, regulations and even meet their significant others. To ban alcohol is to ban white northern European and Mexican cultures from what is customary.


      Yes and drink you beer in a cage like a

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  3. This is the most recent piece I could find:

    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2007/sep/30/carlsbads-public-drinking-policy-has-been-softer/

    "Meanwhile, Encinitas bans the possession of "a receptacle which contains an alcoholic beverage" on city beaches, beach overlook areas and in several city parks, including the Cardiff by the Sea Sports Park and Ecke Sports Park.

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  4. Everyone that moved here after 2000 needs to go back to where you come from. To many tree hugger/liberals have moved in and are ruining what onc ewas the best city in the world to live in.

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    1. Before 2000 is your idea of the golden age of Encinitas? Hahaha!

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    2. No kidding and especially the Cultural Marxists...you know who we are taking about here!

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  5. That isn't going to happen, next suggestion?

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  6. Once again the COE take more of your freedoms and limits you to doing what they want you to do.

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  7. 7:28 - taxes from bar revenue absolutely make mone for the city. BYOB does not.

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    1. Sales tax is collected when you buy alcohol from the store.

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    2. And that sales tax goes directly to the state, not the city.

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    3. 1% of it goes to the city. 5% to the state. The other 1.5% divided
      http://www.californiacityfinance.com/getandgo_PUB.pdf

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    4. Sales tax is 8%, now, so the comment from 12:26 doesn't add up.

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  8. I say hooray to this. All the kids see today are their parents with a drink in their hand and we wonder why the kids grow up drinking at an early age.

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    1. The reason kids have a fascination with alcohol is because we make such a big deal over it. Look at any european country without a drinking age and you'll see that the teen drinking rate is a tiny fraction of ours. Tell someone they cant have something and it makes them want it more. Tell a kid that it's bad and they do it to spite you. Laws like this are causing more of a problem than they are solving.

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  9. 11:50- Maybe that's all you see. What I see are parents that are a lot more engaged with their kids than when I was growing up. And, having a beer or wine is not a crime, yet. How about when you go to a Padres game, or to a concert, or just about anywhere. Yes, there will be a few who abuse alcohol, but I haven't seen much of it in our Parks.

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    1. Once drinking starts in the parks, it will continue to grow. Then come the drunks and the homeless sleeping in the parks. This is not what I desire for my children. Leave your bottle at home and enjoy your kids at the park.

      I'm sure you can get through the day without a drink (maybe not)?

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    2. Drinking in the parks has been going on as long as the parks have been here.

      If it's growing, it's growing awfully slowly.

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    3. And our city has had a problem with homeless people sleeping, drinking in parks. That's why the sprinklers go off at Glen Park with regularity every night, or they were, before the drought. Will homeless problems increase when the City is not allowed to water Glen Park so frequently?

      There is a tiny faction of mostly middle aged or older ladies, who seem to have good intentions, but who come to every meeting they can to influence Council to put in more and more restrictions against alcohol, e-cigarettes, medical marijuana dispensaries, etc.

      I was glad to see that Catherine Blakespear became the "swing vote" on this issue. Tony Kranz, in the name of "consistency" for all parks, was all for this new citywide ban. Kranz likes the power he has gained, and seemed to enjoy flexing his muscles in this case.

      The city can't legislate morality. Despite our local women's temperance league, and their biased perspective, there hasn't been a problem with alcohol in our parks. Lisa Rudloph's excuse for this agenda item was that the Sheriff called for a new ordinance to make it easier for them to cite people who are drinking.

      Rudloph said, currently, when someone is drinking, "there is nothing the police can do." Glenn Sabine did correct this misinformation by reminding Council, and the public, that the police can always make an arrest, or give a warning, for public intoxication, if there is a problem.

      Mark Muir was correct on this issue. We don't need to make new laws and regulations, when a problem has not been identified for which new municipal code would be a necessary solution.

      Public intoxication in parks hasn't been a problem. Homelessness is an ongoing problem, but the proposed ordinance, ultimately rejected by Council, wasn't a solution to that challenge.

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    4. So the two Cultural Marxists (Kranz and Shaffer) voted to kill Encinitas citizens right to enjoy a glass of wine in the parks that allow it?

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  10. One again the city is a day late and a dollar short. meanwhile our streets go unrepaired.......

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  11. 1.08 the homeless already sleep in the parks!! We frequent our small neighborhood park and drink a beer there with our neighbors on the weekends while the kids play and you know what we don't even put the beer in a cup we drink out of a glass bottle!!! Oh my !! We will still have a beer even if this goes through its just another way to control us welcome to the police state.....lame

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  12. Make lounge park benches for the homeless (Scummy,. Scaley and Scabbie) - then they'd vacate the library.

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    1. LIBRARY, that thing is a country club! I see bums roll in there with a bag of cheetos and a can of pop, scratch their private parts on those cushy lounge chairs with the ocean views and watch DVD's while gassing up the place. Only Cultural Marxist-indoctrinated liberals would put up with such abusive free-loading. LIBRARY TOILETS. Honestly, how many bums are laying siege in there on a daily basis...we are talking hundreds and hundreds of gallons of water and they are open until 8pm almost every night, why leave?! Just surf the internet for porn, watch DVD's and sit on the nicest throne in town. Time to throw the bums out and the liberal elite who cater to them all in an effort to punish traditional Americans.

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    2. I'm a true, died in the wool Marxist and am tired of these casual references. Trotsky and I are currently out the Pannikin trying to rally the proletariat and would appreciate some support

      -VI "John" Lennon

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    4. "Inquiring minds dig deeper"...........into a hole......

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    5. Deeper into that insulated bunker is more like it. Waiting for the coming rapture!

      Destroying traditional American values? WTF does that even mean?

      What past decade do you live in anyway? The 50's were not what you think they were.

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    6. 3:33 is an ignorant, plain and simple. He/she is exercising freedom of speech to broadcast his/her hate.

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  13. This is why smart cities don't put trophy libraries by public transportation. We built a 20 million dollar homeless shelter.

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    1. So true and so sad. The liberals cannot help themselves with tax payer dollars. It would be one thing if the bums were actually reading books and at least pretending to better themselves through knowledge but nahh these guys and gals are seriously camping out and watching DVDs, peeling through magazines and using those bathrooms like they are going out of style..any with a coffee cart outside and the food shelter down the hill...life is easy peasy in sympathetic Encinitas. You think that the farmers from yesterday would have put up with any of this Cultural Marxist "Social Justice" they would nip it in the bud and drive the 'urban elite' back to NYC and San Fran.

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    2. Hmmmmm.....I must be going to a different Encinitas Library....whenever I go there, I see all sorts of different people there. Sure, there are some homeless people, like the skinny lady with the HUGE glasses and worn out sweater who has everything she owns in a platic bag, or the overweight, bearded guy with red splotchy skin and ankles bloated larger than a hippos, or the tattooed Latino dude with the greasy long hair and beard? with the DVD player. Then there's the clean cut retired dude with a belly that sits at the same table every day and pops open his laptop. All sorts of people checking their email. The group study folks on the south side tin the rooms, the older folks reading newspapers and magazines, all the kids and their moms for group reading time, the shady guy in the reverse cap copying all the music CD's onto his laptop, and the small handful of folks like me who are "working from home" and have hogged all the table space and all the plugs to recreate our regular office. Once I even saw a guy bring in a few monitors and a printer!! So I'm glad the liberals couldn't help themselves because if they hadn't, for the price of a few homeless in the library, look how useful it is to me and the rest of us!! Oh, and the patio are to the west is a fantastic place to take a conference call!

      - The Sculpin

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    3. Sculpin,

      Have you seen the 20-something male hipster with all the Justin Bieber tattoos?

      I am not making this up.

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    4. Yup, that's an interesting one with the Bieber tats. It can occasionally get a little weird in the computer banks, but they do have security. Overall, it's just been a fantastic addition to the community.

      I've been known to work in there myself...

      -MGJ

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  14. The county library is also starting a homeless help and counseling center at the Encinitas library. Don't expect the homeless to move on down the road.

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    1. Are they going to supply them with Air-Wick neck chains? Caltrans is currently shaking up the camps along the I-5; they'll reestablish in Encinitas at the library. County Social Services need to relocate them into some sort of facility.

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    2. Get use to it. Encinitas is inviting them in from other cities.

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  15. 8:56, 9:34 same freak as is posting on the council mtg thread. Get lost, freak.

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  16. Could bus them to San Diego - Balboa Park is their capitol!

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