Wednesday, February 26, 2020

2/26/20 City Council meeting open thread

Please use the comments to record your observations.

36 comments:

  1. Rachelle is speaking about how Tony Kranz goes down to building sights in Leucadia to watch the work that is being done. Are you sure he is not there to pick up something from a developer?

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  2. After listening to Trump's incoherent rambling today, I was a bit nervous. But not to fret, Pence is on the job America!

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    1. That is a smart move on his part. Throw Pence under the bus so as to blame someone other than himself.

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    2. Judging by how Pence handled the HIV outbreak in Indiana, I can realistically say we are all screwed. He doesn't believe in science, and praying away coronavirus isn't going to work. Remember when he said, “despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill.” Ugh.

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    3. These three comments brought to you the America hating left. The left that hates their own country, embraces socialism and communism. The left that only complains but never has fix to anything. The left that makes up lie after lie trying to remove a President and proven wrong each time, and does that stop them from making fools of themselves? No... But, I tell you what. The left will get the current President elected again as they cannot stop from childish lying behavior.
      Always angry, never happy, the America hating left

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  3. Are these posts meant to make a comparison between Kranz and Pence?

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    1. Both combined are the wattage of a refrigerator bulb.

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  4. The left, always angry, always unhappy.

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    1. Jesus is watching, and you make him disappointed.

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    2. 7:52 your parents are watching, they feel the disappointment. Please don't breed, the world will be disappointed.

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  5. I like the fact that Tony goes out to construction sites to see what is happening. I do the same thing, even if it's just a "drive by" to see how things are going. More of us should do the same.

    I find it interesting that we can get so wound up on our issues here in Encinitas that we don't notice the one thing that we all have in common - WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION. Most people coast through all of our local issues and never pipe up until something happens right next door, then they become politically active. I like people who pay attention ALL THE TIME. Or at least, oftentimes. ;) Important stuff is happening, so be aware. Speak up whenever you get the chance. I don't care if we agree or not, the important thing is that we're all active.

    Anyway, that is my rant of the day, thanks for listening.

    Best regards, Kevin

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    1. I pay attention Mr. Doyle. I pay even more attention when the City of Encinitas has re-zoned Olivenhain land from horses to the ruination of our area with a potential seven story apartment building of high-density low income ghetto housing and potential traffic problems that dumbfound the mind. Plummeting home values and having the potential apartment dwellers peering down into our backyards.
      But hey...it's all in good fun. When the current occupiers of City Hall are gone, Olivenhain will be stuck with a "bad idea gone wrong". Proving the City can screw over it's citizens without consequence and without a lick of sense.
      That's my rant and I'm stickin' too it.

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    2. MANY pay attention. They even show up to beg, plead, cajole, threaten...but where does it get them? This council has a predetermined vote on virtually any issue you can name. Watch them pull out their prepared speeches. Watch the mayor speak first and lengthily so the other four get the message. Watch them ignore a roomful of people begging to be heard and vote nearly 100% of the time as a block. Guess they thought no one was watching. Well, they thought wrong.

      This council's attitude perfectly embodies Jim Bond's famous line to the residents: "Don't like what we're doing? Sue us." Well that's exactly what's happening and it's now coming from all corners of the city with more and more paying attention every day.

      Doyle, you are rude.

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    3. I don't know Mr. Doyle. I don't think rude comes to mind from his writing. The fact he wrote a note on here with his name lets me know he is willing to take heat.
      Sooo, he gets a plus for that. As for issues, there are many of us with different opinions on all types of topics and pleasing everyone is impossible. I don't give two hoots about bums or their cars, the fraud of nonprofit or the lie of man made global warming. If I was on the council, I couldn't sit there and listen to the greasy gray haired burnouts talk about how it was living here fifty years ago. I also plan on voting them all out next election.
      Ruin my neighborhood with apartment buildings will you...
      I'll do everything I can to make sure all of you are unemployed next go round.

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    4. And . . .

      “GET OFF MY LAWN!”

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  6. Really? I am rude? For pointing out how we are similar, as opposed to different? Whatever. I was following you up till your last line, but now I’m just perplexed.

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    1. So you may not realize it, but your "I like people who pay attention ALL THE TIME" and "be aware" and "Speak up whenever you get the chance" comes off mighty preachy.

      More folks than you can imagine have been banging pots and pans for years.

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    2. Fair enough, this won't be the first time I've been told I can be preachy! I apologize for offending you, that was not my intent. My thoughts when I first posted was positive, as this is one of the places where people actually *do* pay attention.

      Again, let me say I'm sorry. Everything I said sounded better in my head. :/

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  7. This is the same City Council that encourages homeless folks to live in their cars rather than give same homeless folks a roof with a warm bed (temporary), hot meals, clean bathroom and showers to get themselves into a position to actually move forward in life.

    Read what I wrote a few times and if you think encouraging homeless people to live in their cars is a responsible and useful solution to their plight you are, shall we say, pissing into a gale force wind.

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    1. Until you get off your ass, work on grants and donations, work on permits, get a location in Encinitas approved, acquire furniture, get insurance, find and hire security, cleaning crew, people to prepare and serve meals, social workers, etc. to make a real option of “ a roof with a warm bed (temporary), hot meals, clean bathroom and showers to get themselves into a position to actually move forward in life.” Until you get off your ass and make that happen in Encinitas, I will continue to support the option on the table, even if it’s imperfect.

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    2. Knew that was coming.^^^

      It's called planning you buffoon.

      A low IQ individual would not know this.

      You must be one of my rich neighbors that want me to pay off your kids overindebted liberal arts student loans.

      Awful.

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    3. Then get off your ass and do the "planning" if you think you know a better solution.

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    4. Confirmation that Jeremy and his unfocused boot-lickers a have zero interest in planning real solutions to real problems and can only come up with lefty "focus group" talking points.

      But hey - at least the homeless parking lot is not in the path of your assinine focsing on your folly that "sea level rise" is one of the biggest concerns of our time.

      Awful human beings.

      Just awful.

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    5. Let's be serious here before the science denier talking points begin.

      You are a denier of science if you do not buy into those who get their science from a 17 year old who doesn't attend school.

      Seems legit.

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    6. 6:29 hotel vouchers would have accomplished more with same money. So there’s a solution.

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    7. Nope. Quite a few folks who become homeless and live in their cars took their most valuable and sentimental possessions with them in the car when they lost housing. They are afraid their stuff will be stolen if they leave it in the car. Hotels are not a permanent solution.

      Either get off your ass and create a more permanent alternative, or sit down, shut up, and get out of the way.

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    8. 1:13 and what are YOU doing?

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    9. And your stolen comment makes no sense.

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    10. Quite a few of the folks that become homeless burned all their previous relationships and need to hit their low in order to turn around their life.

      I will be voting against ever Council-member that is supporting this F'd up plan.

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    11. “Quite a few of the folks that become homeless burned all their previous relationships and need to hit their low in order to turn around their life.”

      I agree with this statement.

      Where we disagree is, I think we should try to keep them alive until they are ready to accept help. You think they are unworthy of safety and it’s okay if they die before they can turn their life around.

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  8. anyone go last night to hear grover and care to share?

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    1. A big crowd. Grover tried a divide and conquer technique, but the large number of neighbors would have none of it. They wanted public questions and answers everyone could hear. He resisted, it got loud, and the he finally gave in.

      Some good questions. One on conflict of interest between Dukek/Grover and the city, which uses Dukek as a consultant. Grover said it wouldn't be a problem. The audience didn't buy ii. Another on the total number of bedrooms in all the units. Grover and his partner danced around by trying to give an average number. When the real count came out, the number of vehicle trips generated by the new units doubled. Another jiggered traffic study. A third question about the selling price of the market rate units. Grover and his partner said they didn't know and that is was too early to know. There were moans from the audience. Surely there's a budget with total costs and projected total income estimated, otherwise they are poor businessmen. It wasn't believable.

      The presentation was supposed to last an hour. At the end of two hours people started to leave The mumbling and grumbling indicated that the neighbors didn't buy all the happy talk.

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    2. Informative meeting. Loud and clear that the audience rejected divide and conquer. The neighboring community was vocal in not having their residential streets used by through traffic and golfers. There was no traffic study and the developer's fictional numbers were a joke.

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    3. Grover relied on SANDAG standards to make his calculations on the number of daily car trips generated by the project. He did this because SANDAG figures always underestimate traffic increases after a project is finished. The Starbucks project on the corner of Orpheus and Leucadia Blvd. is the perfect example of how the numbers are manipulated. Neighbors protested, appealed, and lost, but were proven correct. The agrihood neighbors are in a similar situation. It will be the council that ultimately decides. Time to throw the bums out in November?

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  9. Democrats - Local, State and National - This is the definition of an intelligent leader.


    This is whom you represent.

    https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1234576975144136704

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  10. But, but, but...

    You know the thing!

    This will be the most entertaining election season in history.

    Trump will eat Biden alive and it's highly possible Biden will quit before the election LOL.

    Then maybe you Democrats can run Greta because Encinitas will be under water from see layvol wrize net year


    Democrats = awful lying sacks of paper straws Lolololol

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