Hey ,This is very dump and it appears that we are as bad as they are . How about a little truth and maybe some real in formation NO ON A and RECALL GASPAR the creator of ERAC ! From where all this mess originates.
ERAC is disbanded and irrelevant, and Gaspar is a reliable Barth ally, voting with her 100% of the time on important issues (maybe even all issues?) this year.
8:47, you write the truth. You, I am sure, meant, dumb. But yes. The major cause of this division was Stocks and friends disbanding the citizen panel, GPAC, that had been doing a very good job. The members of this group were all most worthy representatives of ALL areas of our community and our diverse interests. Stocks and friends then attacked staff, the very qualified facilitator and began the campaign to hijack the general plan update. Stocks along with his super majority council formed a new committee, ERAC, comprised of hand selected members, weighted very unfairly with developers, to make sure that Stocks and friends supported the wishes of their Special Interest political supporters. No individual who had the benefit of all the material addressed in the past two years of meetings was allowed to be involved with his hand picked, loaded committee. That is when the bullshit started to fly. Andreen ranted about the general plan was locating ALL the state mandated housing hypothetical locations were on El Camino Real, the update was trying to take away private ownership of cars and other outright lies. Our city is composed of 5 communities. It was vital to keep the community character of all 5 intact. It would be dramatically better to reject the one size fits all, with no tweaking and adjusting RTV Imititive and resolve these issues through the general plan update. We have a council that sincerely want to do this. I fear that the RTV inititive will pass and cost the city and citizens unnecessary money. It will do absolutely nothing about density bonuses. It will Not have ANY influence on the state required housing requirements. The RTV Inititive is not the best method of resolving these issues. ALL of this division has been caused by STOCKS and friends, (gaspar, meyers, andreen and outside developers), and I fear we will end up with not the best method of solving these issue that have been identified. The Right to Vote Inititive is not our best option. Don't let the bad taste of the Stocks years keep you from making the right decission.
Have you read the existing General Plan? The right to vote initiative restates what is currently in the General Plan.
You don't like the 30 feet maximum building height in Prop A? Then you must also dislike the existing General Plan maximum building height of 30 feet citywide.
You dislike it that voters get to vote on increased density under Prop A instead of the Council?
No one ever claimed Prop A will solve the density bonus issue. The argument from Barth & Co. that Prop A's passage would make developers take more advantage of the density bonus than they already do is a lie.
Most take what they can now and will do so after. Those who don't now because they're not as greedy as others won't after.
Anon 9:41, I do not agree that the GPU facilitator was well qualified since he disclosed in his application package that they were being sued at the time that they applied for the contract. They further disclosed that they seem to have had a history of lawsuits. When Planning staff was questioned about the nature of these lawsuits and how they determined that MIG was not a risk to go with, they never responded as to how they determined that MIG was OK.
The Planning Department's favorite comment is that they “don't want to get sued.” Why would they go out of their way to hire a consultant who had a history of lawsuits? At the least, it was a red flag that things might turn out so well with MIG. Despite warning signs from the consultants themselves, Phil Cotton signed a $1.3 million dollar contract. Even worse, the terms specified that MIG would receive their complete pay a week before the draft plan was released. What kind of contract was that? It seems that MIG knew that if they were paid after the release, given the reception that the plan received, that they wouldn't have gotten paid. Maybe they would have had to sue us to get paid. However, Patrick Murphy cheerfully got them paid, and went back to Council to ask for more funds for MIG at least 3 times.
By the way, we are the ones who paid for this entirely useless and invalid, fake research. The only thing that they are doing now is speaking about how over 500 people participated in surveys—which is meaningless and stupid since they had an invalid sample of subjects that did not accurately represent the demographics of Encinitas citizens.
Yo Wcv, Gaspar is trying to get andreem's self serving business group to be elevated to to the same status as the real Chamber of Commerce, DEMA, L101, C101 and other established community non profit organizations. Andreem does not represent all the business on El Camino Real, as he often claims, is not non profit, has no board of directors. He represents a few businesses on El Camino who have no idea what he is up to. They want their name and business promoted on his site. Andreem being against A is enough to many, to vote for it. Yes, Wcv, if you are for Gaspar, you are for Andreem and Stocks. And yea, ERAC should not be forgotten. You have comments attacking Norby because ERAC WANTED 4-5 stories.
C101 is a fake brand, should be Cardiff Chamber of Commerce. None of the biz ass. should get taxpayer subsidies. Other chambers of commerce in many other cities, don't.
These organizations should be self supporting with their own membership fees, otherwise, the influence becomes unbalanced, with a corrupt public system of checkbook justice, checkbook values, checkbook GP amendments, Checkbook SPs, checkbook administrators, checkbook elected officials.
Non-profits are automatically subsidized by taxpayers, no charity work required.
Community service doesn't include lobbying for redevelopment that is designed to create higher property values through higher density. All the various "associations" that are non-profit, should have to compete with the few community grants that are available through the City, matched by a private family.
Great prejudice is being shown, by our public officials, towards businesses associated through corporations, whose primary asset has been selling off land for development, and developing, selling homes. All these functions are needed, but if growth is excessive, it becomes a cancer, feeding off its host, draining our community of its spirit to care, our vitality. So many shrug their shoulders and say, don't fight City Hall. But why does City Hall have to fight us?
well something has to justify the 100 foot aerial ladder the fire department bought. They could climb to the top of an 8 story building. We have the ladder why not the building to go with it?
Good one. I think they bought that New York style fire truck, because they love to play fireman and drive it all over Encinitas. Its a fricken joke and a total waste of Encinitas tax dollars.
OH YEAH. Thats gonna be FUN.... she is one wacked out chick. I can't wait to see her go down in flames..... of course she will blame her impending loss on someone else. For sure.
I hear La Paloma might stop playing the Rocky Horror Picture show and replace by the new feature film titled "The Rise of the Giants" - a true Encinitas epic urban development horror film featuring the vilain Andreen and its accomplices Peder Norby and Gustavo Vina - a BIA production feature film. This one will keep you awake at night! For a better night sleep, take a Prop A YES pill.
Before the Downtown Encinitas specific plan was approved without a public vote, the build-out potential number of dwelling units (houses/apartments) was 971 for the area if the city followed the General Plan. The specific plan, which wasn't consistent with the General Plan changed that build-out potential and increased it to 1500 dwelling units.
More than a 50% increase in the number of houses/apartments in the downtown area future.
Cool poster, Fred . . . I agree with some of what's said, but to me Voting YES on A, passing an initiative that we worked hard to qualify, that we care about, passionately, is our first priority, not issues with the "players" involved, although all players play into the fame-game~
Yes, the Specific Plans were passed without a vote of the public, more disregarded meetings through Specific Plan Action Review Committee (SPARC)s and Community Advisory Board (CAB)s.
Oh what a tangled web they did weave with these Specific Plans, held up as a Holy Grail, by some.
Voting YES, approving our right to vote to upzone (from 30 ft, two stories, not including basements), opens up a portal to freedom, freedom to choose, for ourselves, whether or not we want to walk, drive, bike through our community's increasingly crowded streets, vainly attempting to find parking spaces, looking at the backs of ugly Condos and Moonlight lofts, instead of blue water, from the train, or, on Encinitas Blvd, from our cars . . . another broken promise of the DESP (Downtown Encinitas Specific Plan) which was written to protect the view corridor, consistent with Coastal Act Law.
Voting Yes is a spark to positive change, creating a more democratic process. The best needs assessment in the world should be a public vote, if we, the people, can think for ourselves, take all advertising and boosterism with a grain of salt and a wry sense of humor, because otherwise, the tragedy of the changes we've already endured, could seem too depressing to bear. Better to look ahead, than to mourn the days before we were "rebranded" by marketing mobsters, maniacs with amazing abilities to manipulate, to marginalize messengers, to mess with a sometimes gullible public. They employ fakery, flattery, fear, falsehoods and ever more densely packed fabrications to create status, wealth, the little guy be damned. Out of one side of their mouth they quip, full of wonder, who are YOU to expect or deserve entitlements, while out the other side, they fully expect the entitlement they imagine that comes with their property rights.
Hey, to me, the land actually belongs to God, but I'm glad we do have property rights, in this land of ours. I recognize that possession is part of life on this material plane, and I enjoy my possessions, too. But integrity is at the core of our true values, the true wealth that is part of human nature. But our land of laws has a system whereby General Plans and zoning are to be tools to protect all income levels in our community, protecting diversity, promoting health and happiness for everyone, as a public service.
I trust my neighbors, this community, if not brainwashed by the machine, to be able to make the right decision. Why can't the public vote to bring our General Plan back to the way the public truly expressed it wanted it to remain? WE CAN!
Prop A's passing can be a spark of positive change, create a fire of awareness, and civic concern, because people do care.
I never said the General Plan passed with a vote of the people. I said, and please learn to read comprehensively, that our City was incorporated by a vote of the people to SLOW GROWTH.
The original General Plan did want to give the people the right to vote on unzoning, with certain exceptions, which, of course were abused. A glaring example is passing the North 101 and Downtown Encinitas SPecific Plans without votes of the people, which led to significant upzoning for development projects along the 101 Corridor.
Is this the city you want to live in? Yes on A and RECALL Barth.
ReplyDeleteBoo! Run for your lives!
ReplyDeleteHey ,This is very dump and it appears that we are as bad as they are . How about a little truth and maybe some real in formation NO ON A and RECALL GASPAR the creator of ERAC ! From where all this mess originates.
ReplyDeleteWhy this obsession with ERAC and Gaspar?
DeleteERAC is disbanded and irrelevant, and Gaspar is a reliable Barth ally, voting with her 100% of the time on important issues (maybe even all issues?) this year.
Wcv
8:47, you write the truth. You, I am sure, meant, dumb. But yes.
DeleteThe major cause of this division was Stocks and friends disbanding the citizen panel, GPAC, that had been doing a very good job. The members of this group were all most worthy representatives of ALL areas of our community and our diverse interests. Stocks and friends then attacked staff, the very qualified facilitator and began the campaign to hijack the general plan update. Stocks along with his super majority council formed a new committee, ERAC, comprised of hand selected members, weighted very unfairly with developers, to make sure that Stocks and friends supported the wishes of their Special Interest political supporters. No individual who had the benefit of all the material addressed in the past two years of meetings was allowed to be involved with his hand picked, loaded committee. That is when the bullshit started to fly. Andreen ranted about the general plan was locating ALL the state mandated housing hypothetical locations were on El Camino Real, the update was trying to take away private ownership of cars and other outright lies.
Our city is composed of 5 communities. It was vital to keep the community character of all 5 intact. It would be dramatically better to reject the one size fits all, with no tweaking and adjusting RTV Imititive and resolve these issues through the general plan update. We have a council that sincerely want to do this.
I fear that the RTV inititive will pass and cost the city and citizens unnecessary money. It will do absolutely nothing about density bonuses. It will Not have ANY influence on the state required housing requirements.
The RTV Inititive is not the best method of resolving these issues.
ALL of this division has been caused by STOCKS and friends, (gaspar, meyers, andreen and outside developers), and I fear we will end up with not the best method of solving these issue that have been identified.
The Right to Vote Inititive is not our best option.
Don't let the bad taste of the Stocks years keep you from making the right decission.
Anonymous 9:41 AM:
DeleteHave you read the existing General Plan? The right to vote initiative restates what is currently in the General Plan.
You don't like the 30 feet maximum building height in Prop A? Then you must also dislike the existing General Plan maximum building height of 30 feet citywide.
You dislike it that voters get to vote on increased density under Prop A instead of the Council?
No one ever claimed Prop A will solve the density bonus issue. The argument from Barth & Co. that Prop A's passage would make developers take more advantage of the density bonus than they already do is a lie.
DeleteMost take what they can now and will do so after. Those who don't now because they're not as greedy as others won't after.
The truth is, their poster has a fictious monster and ours has a real one.
DeleteHah! Good one, Fred!!
DeleteAnon 9:41, I do not agree that the GPU facilitator was well qualified since he disclosed in his application package that they were being sued at the time that they applied for the contract. They further disclosed that they seem to have had a history of lawsuits. When Planning staff was questioned about the nature of these lawsuits and how they determined that MIG was not a risk to go with, they never responded as to how they determined that MIG was OK.
DeleteThe Planning Department's favorite comment is that they “don't want to get sued.” Why would they go out of their way to hire a consultant who had a history of lawsuits? At the least, it was a red flag that things might turn out so well with MIG. Despite warning signs from the consultants themselves, Phil Cotton signed a $1.3 million dollar contract. Even worse, the terms specified that MIG would receive their complete pay a week before the draft plan was released. What kind of contract was that? It seems that MIG knew that if they were paid after the release, given the reception that the plan received, that they wouldn't have gotten paid. Maybe they would have had to sue us to get paid. However, Patrick Murphy cheerfully got them paid, and went back to Council to ask for more funds for MIG at least 3 times.
By the way, we are the ones who paid for this entirely useless and invalid, fake research. The only thing that they are doing now is speaking about how over 500 people participated in surveys—which is meaningless and stupid since they had an invalid sample of subjects that did not accurately represent the demographics of Encinitas citizens.
ERAC is still hiding behind the curtain !WCA it's called prop A backlash.
ReplyDeleteYo Wcv,
ReplyDeleteGaspar is trying to get andreem's self serving business group to be elevated to to the same status as the real Chamber of Commerce, DEMA, L101, C101 and other established community non profit organizations.
Andreem does not represent all the business on El Camino Real, as he often claims, is not non profit, has no board of directors. He represents a few businesses on El Camino who have no idea what he is up to. They want their name and business promoted on his site.
Andreem being against A is enough to many, to vote for it. Yes, Wcv, if you are for Gaspar, you are for Andreem and Stocks.
And yea, ERAC should not be forgotten. You have comments attacking Norby because ERAC WANTED 4-5 stories.
C101 is a fake brand, should be Cardiff Chamber of Commerce. None of the biz ass. should get taxpayer subsidies. Other chambers of commerce in many other cities, don't.
DeleteThese organizations should be self supporting with their own membership fees, otherwise, the influence becomes unbalanced, with a corrupt public system of checkbook justice, checkbook values, checkbook GP amendments, Checkbook SPs, checkbook administrators, checkbook elected officials.
Non-profits are automatically subsidized by taxpayers, no charity work required.
Community service doesn't include lobbying for redevelopment that is designed to create higher property values through higher density. All the various "associations" that are non-profit, should have to compete with the few community grants that are available through the City, matched by a private family.
Great prejudice is being shown, by our public officials, towards businesses associated through corporations, whose primary asset has been selling off land for development, and developing, selling homes. All these functions are needed, but if growth is excessive, it becomes a cancer, feeding off its host, draining our community of its spirit to care, our vitality. So many shrug their shoulders and say, don't fight City Hall. But why does City Hall have to fight us?
Take back our City. Vote Yes on A.
Norby was the tool, the manipulator, for the city.
ReplyDeletewell something has to justify the 100 foot aerial ladder the fire department bought. They could climb to the top of an 8 story building. We have the ladder why not the building to go with it?
ReplyDeleteGood one. I think they bought that New York style fire truck, because they love to play fireman and drive it all over Encinitas. Its a fricken joke and a total waste of Encinitas tax dollars.
DeleteHopefully the community will come to its senses and get behind Sheila for the Mayor's race next year.
ReplyDeleteOH YEAH. Thats gonna be FUN.... she is one wacked out chick. I can't wait to see her go down in flames..... of course she will blame her impending loss on someone else. For sure.
DeleteGood one!
ReplyDeleteWhat the genre of movie? Horror I guess.
I might be more appropriate to say "coming to a neighborhood near you"
Barth and Shaffer are probably thinking: "Gosh it's going to take a lot of bike racks for 2,300 units"
Andreen is probably thinking "Hopefully there will be one affordable unit, so that I can come back to Encinitas and have an ocean view"
Gus Vina is screaming out loud "Get it out of there, it's blocking my ocean view from my office"
Norby is asking "Do we have consensus to build 2300 units next to La Paloma?"
Dody Crawford exclaims: "Great, this will create a more vibrant downtown, how many more bars to we need to fill the thirst of all these people".
Mark Muir is asking: "Will it be enough to pay for my pension"?
The Encinitas Financal Manager is counting : 2300 units x 1,000,000 tax base x 1% property tax = Budget crisis and unfunded pension liability solved"
The rest of Encinitas "What the hell just happened?"
Gaspar proclaims: "I don't mind, I still Love Encinitas and so should you"
ReplyDeleteKranz added" Yeap, we need a much bigger train station now"
Will there be a specific plan to go over 5 stories?
ReplyDeleteLooks like it from the picture!
I'm voting or whomever has the scariest propaganda poster.
ReplyDeleteseriously you should be following the money crumbs to see who is behind YES ans NO
DeleteI hear La Paloma might stop playing the Rocky Horror Picture show and replace by the new feature film titled "The Rise of the Giants" - a true Encinitas epic urban development horror film featuring the vilain Andreen and its accomplices Peder Norby and Gustavo Vina - a BIA production feature film.
ReplyDeleteThis one will keep you awake at night! For a better night sleep, take a Prop A YES pill.
What the Council and DEMA don't want you to know:
ReplyDeleteBefore the Downtown Encinitas specific plan was approved without a public vote, the build-out potential number of dwelling units (houses/apartments) was 971 for the area if the city followed the General Plan. The specific plan, which wasn't consistent with the General Plan changed that build-out potential and increased it to 1500 dwelling units.
More than a 50% increase in the number of houses/apartments in the downtown area future.
Cool poster, Fred . . . I agree with some of what's said, but to me Voting YES on A, passing an initiative that we worked hard to qualify, that we care about, passionately, is our first priority, not issues with the "players" involved, although all players play into the fame-game~
ReplyDeleteYes, the Specific Plans were passed without a vote of the public, more disregarded meetings through Specific Plan Action Review Committee (SPARC)s and Community Advisory Board (CAB)s.
Oh what a tangled web they did weave with these Specific Plans, held up as a Holy Grail, by some.
Voting YES, approving our right to vote to upzone (from 30 ft, two stories, not including basements), opens up a portal to freedom, freedom to choose, for ourselves, whether or not we want to walk, drive, bike through our community's increasingly crowded streets, vainly attempting to find parking spaces, looking at the backs of ugly Condos and Moonlight lofts, instead of blue water, from the train, or, on Encinitas Blvd, from our cars . . . another broken promise of the DESP (Downtown Encinitas Specific Plan) which was written to protect the view corridor, consistent with Coastal Act Law.
Voting Yes is a spark to positive change, creating a more democratic process. The best needs assessment in the world should be a public vote, if we, the people, can think for ourselves, take all advertising and boosterism with a grain of salt and a wry sense of humor, because otherwise, the tragedy of the changes we've already endured, could seem too depressing to bear. Better to look ahead, than to mourn the days before we were "rebranded" by marketing mobsters, maniacs with amazing abilities to manipulate, to marginalize messengers, to mess with a sometimes gullible public. They employ fakery, flattery, fear, falsehoods and ever more densely packed fabrications to create status, wealth, the little guy be damned. Out of one side of their mouth they quip, full of wonder, who are YOU to expect or deserve entitlements, while out the other side, they fully expect the entitlement they imagine that comes with their property rights.
Hey, to me, the land actually belongs to God, but I'm glad we do have property rights, in this land of ours. I recognize that possession is part of life on this material plane, and I enjoy my possessions, too. But integrity is at the core of our true values, the true wealth that is part of human nature. But our land of laws has a system whereby General Plans and zoning are to be tools to protect all income levels in our community, protecting diversity, promoting health and happiness for everyone, as a public service.
I trust my neighbors, this community, if not brainwashed by the machine, to be able to make the right decision. Why can't the public vote to bring our General Plan back to the way the public truly expressed it wanted it to remain? WE CAN!
Prop A's passing can be a spark of positive change, create a fire of awareness, and civic concern, because people do care.
Hate to burst your bubble but the General Plan passed without a vote of the people. In fact it passed on a 4-1 vote (4/5) of the city council.
DeleteI never said the General Plan passed with a vote of the people. I said, and please learn to read comprehensively, that our City was incorporated by a vote of the people to SLOW GROWTH.
ReplyDeleteThe original General Plan did want to give the people the right to vote on unzoning, with certain exceptions, which, of course were abused. A glaring example is passing the North 101 and Downtown Encinitas SPecific Plans without votes of the people, which led to significant upzoning for development projects along the 101 Corridor.