> Taken just now outside D St bar & grill. Didn't get the shot of the guys peeing against the La Paloma (for obvious reasons), sorry.
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> The party bus is huge and periodically honks it's horn LOUDLY. Cooler out on the sidewalk, open, with ? on ice, didn't see what.
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I support City Council candidates that support improving quality of life.
ReplyDeleteI don't support Council members that support increasing a downtown bar scene.
This is just the tip of the iceberg! All council members should be imprisoned on second st so they can actually for once get what the residents are having to deal with. IT IS OBSCENE and this is winter, just wait till summer!
ReplyDeleteWhat time was this?
ReplyDelete6:37 PM tonight on the e-mail time stamp.
DeleteI didn't think kids partied that early.
ReplyDeleteWhere is the sheriff? Or have they been told not to come so we can have another code enforcement lecture?
ReplyDeleteWe don't have Police. Can't afford it. only 3 police on board for all encinitas at any given moment. Ever wonder why everyone speeds and runs red lights and stop signs?
ReplyDeleteI like it. We don't need much policing. only need guns…..
ReplyDeleteThis problem won't be solved overnight. They do clearly need more cops. How about having a security patrol, paid for by the bar owners? They have private security/guides in Downtown Pasadena.
ReplyDeleteFor years people used to complain there was nothing going on downtown, now it's too much. I knew when the Union went in it was off to the races. It will die down, like all scenes do, but in the meantime, it's got to be a drag to live downtown.
-El Senor Party Pooper
When the Encinitas Hospitality Association (EHA) presented their plan to council last year on all the things they would do to help the situation, they said they'd contracted with a security company to help patrol.
DeleteShaffer asked how many security officers the EHA had contracted for and the answer was "one." What a joke. The council did their usual group stare and nod. Not one of them said "not enough."
Between the EHA and our council, neither appears to really care.
What makes you think our overly-vibrant scene will "die down?" Pacific Beach has been steadily getting worse for at least 15-20 years now and shows no signs of dying down. In fact, some good people of PB drove up to our council meeting to speak on how we could avoid becoming another PB.
DeleteEverything they warned us the bar owners would say to council sure enough came out of the EHA members' mouths, all sounding reasonable and all 100% insincere.
PB has a different demographic. Students from UCSD, USD and SDSU all live there. Plus the JC kids, and kids who work. It's always going to draw a lot of kids and partying in PB. It was the place 30 years ago when I moved here.
ReplyDeletePlus it's closer to SD. That's why you see party buses up here, people are coming up from SD. Eventually with that kind of haul, people won't come.
But I recommend one thing: cops. That and zero tolerance, like they had in C-Bad 10-12 years ago. They used to have a wild scene up there, but I believe they got it under control with a big police presence. Start arresting people for pissing on the La Paloma, zero tolerance.
-Mr. Greenjeans
Mr. G, more cops have been recommended, repeatedly. "No money" is council's response. "We already paid for one extra security guard" is the EHA's.
DeleteYup, don't let up, enough complaints will hopefully get something done before there's a serious injury. Too bad the bar owners can't be more proactive like the Belly Up in Solana Beach and police their own areas.
Delete-Senor Party Pants
The bar scene is not quality of life. The council needs the drunks and party buses outside their homes from 6 pm to 3 am. Live it up council and suck in the vibrancy.
ReplyDeleteI agree. The ordinance should be adopted ASAP. Start hammering down on the scene.
ReplyDeleteMake it more fun to get hammered in Carlsbad. Let Karlsbad get all the sales revenue from alcohol. Let Encinitas get increased revenue from higher property values. It's that simple.
ReplyDeleteCarlsbad shut most of the wild action down about 12 years ago with a big police presence..
DeleteAnd just left with bums, begging for money? We were hit up 3x by guys in different groups...and I don't mean surfers or homeless. That was about 6 months ago. For all the supposed policing (we saw not one uniform), it did not feel safe.
DeleteWhat, in Carlsbad? There is a pretty big population in Encinitas, check out the Downtown library on a cold day, or cruise around downtown during a summer's day. Lots of panhandling, even during the winter at Roadside park.
DeleteI've also seen a fair amount of homeless folks in Oceanside, and in C-bad near the train station.
I remember C-bad being night time party central in the 90's, but having their own police dept help, they just started sitting on all the downtown bars, and it's a lot more concentrated in C-Bad geographically.
During the day, there's lots of homeless dudes around all the north county cities now from Encinitas North.
The Encinitas librarian spoke to the council about new library programs for the homeless.
DeleteIf you look at the result of the "Visioning process" (aka no vision) that will be presented at the next council meeting you'll read under ways to attract businesses to Encinitas: I quote " Make the El Camino Real corridor more attractive for restaurants, bars, and breweries". Ok it was somewhat relieved that strip clubs, adult bookstore, pawn shops, liquor stores, and bail bonds did not make it to the list. Seriously, aren't they learning any lesson from downtown Encinitas? What residents in New Encinitas has been consulted about needing more bars and breweries? Is that all we get from their vision? Who removed their brains?
ReplyDeleteHow about attracting a local movie theater instead of one more office supplies store? How about attracting some businesses to entertain our teens. I have 2 teens and they are bored to death in Encinitas. Aside from the beach and hanging out with friends there isn't much to do around here for our youth.
"Isn't much to do in Encinitas?"
DeleteHow about they start doing their homework?
Did you really just say,"Aside from the beach"? Affluence at its most unattractive. Oh, why not a movie theater? Because the average square footage in Encinitas now tops $3.00 per square foot per month. It is no longer affordable for theaters to operate: besides, that is the private sector, not the City's responsibility.
The days of abdicating parenting by dropping off the kids at AMC every Friday and Saturday evening ended when AMC's lease ended at a dollar per square foot per month. You want a movie theater? Develop a Business Enterprise District and tax yourself and your neighbors. What? That would mean you would have to put some effort into it rather than whining? Mrs. Shaffer looked down her nose at the former council for not enticing a movie theater to Encinitas; the former council reached out to a half-dozen theater operating groups and since no one (Private property owners) would give them a long-term lease at $1 per square-foot the issue became moot.
Bored to death? Really? School programs, after-school programs, sports clubs, library programs and dozens of other programs provided by the county and state and your teens are bored to death? Look homeward angel.
Try this, read to them; you might be surprised by the result. Or maybe walk along the tide pools with them.
First, you might establish meaningful contact: secondly, they might join a club just to get away.
Finally, you could make a conscious decision to lead... but that's too hard isn't it?
My kids are straight A student and are very involved with clubs and they gone to the tide pools and have made a few shellfish friends. Ha! You sound angry Mr. Stocks!
DeleteI think I will turn my kids to alcoholics: they will have plenty of place to go in Encinitas.
Stocks doesn't write that well, it's another shill of the same ilk!
DeleteAnybody who's bored to death in Encinitas must be super lazy. There's plenty to do. Do you expect somebody to deliver it to you on a platter?
DeleteI have to agree with the movie theater comment, the square footage rate/lease went up and AMC bailed. Ironically, part of that space is now empty since the golf shop went out.
DeleteI guess the theater is still a sore point with the former council members and their gang. Ok, so they reached out to some theater chains, allegedly. I don't think it was a priority. Getting the Walmart was more of a priority.
I'm sure given the right spot/timing etc., a theater could work here. We sure need one, the nearest "regular" theater is now in Carlsbad by the mall.
Being bored is part of being a kid, glad some things haven't change. Then you grow up so you can be bored at your job..
-Mr How Green Was my Cinema.
It seems like Gus should add a new community to his Stratigic Plan and update some names to reflect what is happening on the ground! They should take away Old Encinitas and divide it into Sodam and Gomorah!
ReplyDeleteThose of us with teens don't want them downtown at night!
ReplyDeleteThe Economic Development that will be presented has a goal to "Develop and market a new identity for Encinitas" Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the new identity is "Party Town USA, land of the wilds and the mighty buck. Bottom's up, Heeha!". I like our small beach town identity better. Let's stick to it!
ReplyDeleteBetter get down to council and speak up. The usual suspects won't count nearly as much as new vocal and numerous faces.
DeleteHello 12:16- could you please enlighten me to wear you came up with the quote "develop and market a new identity for Encinitas"
DeleteThank you
Andrew Audet
Andrew,
DeleteThat's from the Encinitas Chamber of Commerce goals in this week's council agenda (link).
WCV
That's right. Thanks WCV.
DeleteInstead of Flowers and Surf, "Booze and Surf"...
Delete-El Senor Green Dragon
Put it out to a public vote! Just like Solana Beach did this month. Although, the partiers did win at the ballot box.
ReplyDeleteNo public vote needed: city acting responsibly is, and they are clearly falling short. This is not the public's job to control - it's the city's.
DeleteEncinitas now is the "hip" place for the weekend party crowd. The proliferation of bars has attracted this element like dog doo does for flies. Considering the money involved, the civic authorities will only provide lip-service to those seeking regulation. They will not put the brakes on the revenue stream. Face it - Encinitas is doomed due to mismanagement.
DeleteWhy do you think that is?
Delete2:18 you write it is not the governments job to attract a movie theater - do you think it is the governments job to use taxpayer money to support DEMA, 101 and their vision for a new high density transit center?
Delete1:50 the party crowd Encinitas is attacting is that, a party crowd. We are not talking upscale dining and sophisticated wine bars, we are talking hat backwards peeing on walls over-aged kids getting wasted - no way bro ! way to go Shaffer, Stocks, Muir Gaspar and Barth- oh yea Phony 'Deep roots' Tony as well.
Yes,
DeleteI have to admit I prefer sophisticated, older drunks who puke in their own car.
Come on folks, drinking is drinking. Get yourselves down to council and speak every time, let them know you mean it. I think they'll listen, but the heat must be put on...
There's lots of money involved now, none of the bars and restaurants are going to give an inch they don't have to..
There are not drunken raggedy ass losers drinking in LA Jolla or for that matter Del Mar old Sol Beach. There are raggedy ass loser hooligans pissing in the streets, stumbling about, having sex in roadways and yards and puking on driveways in Encinitas.................
DeleteI've seen some pretty sketchy people in La Jolla, believe it or not, but I take your point. Although at one point in the late 90's, I think DM had the same issues.
DeleteAnd now the family night plaza next to seaside market they want to fill with roving beer guzzlers. Thanks for ruining what's left.
ReplyDeleteIsn't that the proposed Pizza Port tasting Room? They have a similar one in O-side, but it's only open from about 12-8 pm
DeleteI am going to start shopping at Sprouts or Vons , the Cardiff Town center is likely to be full of stumblebums on the week end, not what I want for my kids.
DeleteYou have to be a millionaire to afford Cardiff seaside market anyways...
DeleteIs it possible that the City is actually promoting this so we will give in and add the extra code enforcement officer? I know it seems way out there, but is it possible?
ReplyDeleteSeaside Market is having a beer tastings once a week beginning very soon. I just got their email. I think it will be where the old Cardfitt gym was but not sure.
ReplyDeleteIt's the $$$$$$Cha-Ching$$$$$$ City Council. Booze is revenue - atmosphere? We don't need no stinking atmosphere! We need the greenbacks!!! Puke and piss away me hearties - Encinitas - the Toilet Bowl Capitol!
ReplyDeleteMr. Hanky for mayor!
ReplyDeleteLa Pissaloma
ReplyDeleteWhy not vote on this issue? Don't we want the citizens to decide?
ReplyDeleteDecide what? We have codes that the city refuses to follow/enforce out of fear of offending business and losing much-needed tax revenue. Our so-called leaders have made such a hash out of city finances, they feel they can't afford to lose a penny of income.
DeleteThere are laws on the books regarding bar capacity, public drunkenness, loitering (people and vehicles), but the city turns a blind eye.
Vote on what, exactly?
Straw vote on the city's theme song "Roll out the Barrel"!
DeleteOne code enforcement officer in this city only one do you get it ONE
ReplyDeleteWhy does one code enforcement officer have one full-time manager and two assistants?
DeleteSounds like a satire.
WCV
WCV:
DeleteI assume your occupation gives you insight on workloads, filing and general paperwork. Please share your ideas on how to reduce the workload instead of just taking potshots. And no, you can't weasel out by saying the current employees don't do any work. Be specific. If the current workload doesn't justify the current staffing level, show us why.
I don't know a thing about workloads or paperwork.
DeleteBut let's be honest here about the staffing level. There is not "ONE" code enforcement officer. There are two code enforcement officers, one of whom is the other one's manager, and they have two assisants. Plus, there is a vacant, authorized additional part-time code enforcement officer.
I'm no HR expert, but if you've got four people doing paperwork for one productive code officer, it sounds like there might be room for improving efficiencies in your process.
WCV
You are aware that the two program assistants are part time (.6 & .75 respectively).
Delete8:54, how bad is the workload, break it down for us. So the two assistants work 3/4 of a week, or a day?
DeleteI have to agree with WCV, the enforcement has to come first, the paperwork 2nd, with more efficiencies in the process.
-Mr Green Code
Enforcement first, but without the paperwork, you lose the case. It's kind of a chicken and egg thing....
Delete- The Sculpin
12:50 PM. Exactly! These are legal proceedings which are notorious for paperwork.
Delete12:42 PM. Wish I could but I don't work there. I read that they try to confine the part-timers to specific areas but I have to believe there are communication problems since they are only in the office 50-75% of the time.
OK fire Vina's unneeded mouthpiece and the art director and hire a code enforcement officer if its really needed.
ReplyDeleteThe objective is to downsize staff costs 35%.
If you don't like it here MOVE!!! A nice place in Julian where you can be isolated from the world would suit most of you.
ReplyDeleteSounds like Vina's PR hack in action.
DeleteObviously a nerve struck for our lazy city workers to reply.
ReplyDeleteAs the saying goes, ignorance is bliss and I'm sure you're pretty blissed out. Must be nice. And no, I'm not a city worker. Too bad.
DeleteI was on that bus with my wife. I have two young daughters and we were out celebrating 4 birthdays amongst our friends responsibly. We are all 35-40 and decided to have a bus drive us so as to avoid any DUI's or other alcohol related problems. That bus dropped us off to have dinner at 720 and then picked us up at 830. If that is a nuisance to the citizens or city then that is disappointing.
ReplyDeleteIt was definitely a nuisance, or did you miss the fact that your group was blocking the sidewalk with not just yourselves, but your cooler, that members of your group were yelling at those peeing against our theater to hurry up, that the bus was honking loudly at regular intervals...really did you miss all that?
DeleteI guess if you did, it's a good thing you weren't driving.
One thing I agree with: it was disappointing. I don't know where you and your crew bused in from, but you need to learn some manners.
DeleteWhatever happened to the designated driver? You now need a party bus for dinner out with kids?
DeleteYou think it's disappointing that your obnoxious, disgusting, disrespectful, ILLEGAL behavior is a nuisance? What a meathead. Go "celebrate" somewhere else, bro.
Delete9:39- it was not disappointing at all. We welcome you we simply ask you not to engage in public urination next year. Other than that Enc hopes you had a good time and we welcome your families to return.
DeletePS- there are a lot of busy bodies in this town and on this blog. They oppose public urination but have no problem peeing in their wetsuit.
3:40 PM So if people pee in their wet suits, then public urination is the same thing? I'll tell that to the next guy who cuts me off. That oughta go over well!
Delete-Gidget
3:04 Enc Hospitality Assoc (EHA) member or shill, you speak for bar owners only. Your voice of reason comments ring very false and you don't make sense. Peeing bad, blocking sidewalks with coolers and honking, idling buses good?
DeleteYou fool no one, especially residents who don't profit off the EHA love for so-called vibrancy.
Thank god someone compared peeing in their wetsuit to public intoxication, because you know I was thinking it, lol!
DeleteBar owners of Encinitas, get your stuff together, ask the Belly Up how they do patrols of the surrounding area every half hour, for the last 20 years. It's not that hard.
Be a good neighbor, everything will work much better with a little effort on your part.
Again, that odd-sounding, "helpful" poster at 4:17.
DeleteThe bar owners are not going to ask the belly up how they patrol. If the city is looking the other way, the EHA is not going to do anything they're not forced to do. If they wanted to "get their stuff together," they would have done so by now.
Don't know if you're Marco, the Stanford hire, a bar owner, or the city mouthpiece - it really doesn't matter - your slightly-off comments are just that: slightly off and no one's buying your "help."
I live in Encinitas chief, do you think a bar owner is going to come on here and make that statement? I'm aware that the EHA will probably do nothing, but what I'm saying is, they easily could police the problem, and it would be good business in the long run.
DeleteThe obvious one you didn't get, I used to work at the Belly Up, so I know how a bar can police a neighborhood. None of the rest are true. This also is true, I don't live downtown, and I'm not going downtown at night.
-Mr Green Beer
Encinitas bar owners who either can't or won't do the right thing. They refuse to see past the next beer's profit and don't give a rat's rear for this town. They are no doubt laughing hard at how snowed the council is by their blatantly empty plans to improve. They are no doubt loving Vina's desperate need for revenue that makes him back them.
DeleteDoing the right thing is not in their game plan, you're wasting your breath with your suggestions. We get it, the Belly Up is a shining example. What you need to get is that Encinitas bar owners are not, and they like it just fine that way.
And I still think something about your panty posts doesn't smell right. And I'm not alone.
Delete10:06, sorry my comments got you so upset. At that one meeting, it sure didn't sound like Tony was buying what they were selling. And FYI, do you think any city right now is going to look down their nose at revenue from bars and restaurants? They're not.
DeleteSo let me ask you, what do you think is going to turn the tide on getting the bar owners to clean it up downtown? Because from what you're telling me, it sounds like you're totally screwed. And I too would say that the whole family on the bus thing sounds like a put up. Doesn't sound like anyone I know. Kids get on the party bus.
I knew when the Union went in that it was party on downtown..
-Mr Greenjeans
I am screwed - along with the rest of this town - as long as the council continues to look the other way while the bars have at it.
DeleteWhen the sheriff tells the council that all an over-capacity bar owner gets from him is a "please move some people out" and not a ticket with teeth in it, something's wrong with law enforcement. The sheriff is clearly working on directions not to come down on the bar owner: whose directions?
When the council sits, stares, and thanks the sheriff for his comments, I guess we have our answer. So yes, we are screwed.
Comments that hope for better days, want to wait for improvement and "give bar owners a chance," think Encinitas could look at what other cities do, etc., are looked at askance because the ultimate powers that be (the council) have done nothing and will continue to do nothing. End of story, ball's in their court.
Honestly, the officers from the Sherrif's office are not going to ticket a bar owner for going over capacity. That has not been my experience in this county in the last 25 years. I'm not sure they'd even be able to. Wouldn't that, *gulp* be code enforcement's job? I know, it's a scary thought.
DeleteShort of a full scale riot spilling into the streets, or the undercover team going in to find underage drinkers, I don't think the officers have ever had a lot of immediate, on the site power to cite bar owners for any of the offenses that we might be discussing here.
I agree with you, we are probably stuck depending on the council for some help and direction on this one, and like you, I don't know that you're going to get it.
It seems nowdays that commerce trumps the right to enjoy your home, even when there's an interface between bars and homes that didn't exist before.
I still think it might help to bring up solutions/modes of attack that people in other cities have employed, but we can agree to differ there if that's the case.
I plan on attending the meeting the next time this comes up, so our paths will probably cross...
-Mr Greenjeans
May you have better luck having your suggestions being heard than everyone else has (repeatedly) had!
Delete9:39 AM
ReplyDeleteAnd did the party bus driver take each of you home and tuck you in bed?
Get the lazy cops on foot patrol. They're too busy casing out the chicks - these nerds are part of the problem! I saw 3 cop cars respond to harass a bum - I guess the bums don't drop enough cash for their liquor.
ReplyDelete9:39pm… that is so much BS….
ReplyDeleteNo way you had dinner and drinks in 1 hour 10 min…. More like one more drunk stop in a long list of drunk stops.
Nice try City spin doctor.
Our tax dollars at non-work….
That is odd about the timing...fabricated family time together...if you had public urination and yelling, this was not the first booze stop, either.
DeleteAll of you that oppose public urination and yet pee in your wetsuits.... You make my point for me. Thank you .( you enjoy that tingle down your leg don't you??)
ReplyDeleteIrrevellent to the discussion. Dumbass.
ReplyDeleteDon't party buses have bathrooms on them? Why couldn't these fine folks either use the bus or the next bar they were going into? Geez D St. where they welcome this brand of vibrancy was just a few feet away.
Delete9:22 see 8:21. After you read it you'll feel a tingle down your leg.
DeleteD St. bar representatives said they don't that type of fine folk.
ReplyDeleteAll bar representatives say a lot of things. That's why after a year plus of citizen complaints, nothing's changed. Yes, the EHA has a list of all the things they want to do to improve the situation, but nothing's changed.
DeleteOne thing is changed, they have Vina and several council members in their pocket with a promise of more sales tax revenue from booze. Whats next? Vina making Encinitas the best Head Shop Town in CA?
ReplyDeleteAnything for more sales tax revenue to support the ever growing pensions right?
He tried to do in in Saco. Why not here?
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