Sunday, May 30, 2021

Worst local roads

From the Inbox:
How about starting a string that asks people to name the worst road in Encinitas? "Worst" meaning the condition of the pavement.

Many local roads have recently been re-done, but there are still some awful roads around town. With the budget flush from huge new development and skyrocketing property values, there’s really no excuse.

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  1. In 2014, Gus Vina had former Director of Engineer, Glenn Pruim bring in consultants to downgrade the thresholds of acceptable standard for roads. Encinitas roads that were poor were reclassified as fair. Roads that were fair were reclassified as good. If they are going to use our money to pay consultants to lower the bar, we will have to do the job for them and tell them where the roads are bad. This is another example of how they actually PAY consultants to primp data. We also have historically had road engineers at the city who suck.

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    1. Every city pays consultants to rate their pavement, it's a standard of practice. If the City used their own forces to perform the work it would take months to walk all the pavement to rate it. It's much more efficient to hire a firm with the automated equipment to perform the work. Well run cities have their pavement evaluated every five years. In between ratings the pavement condition is based on degradation curves.
      The lack of a good engineering staff is the results of poor City Management the last 8-10 years. It's tough to hire good staff when you have the worst reputation in the region.

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    2. There is nothing wrong with hiring a professional firm to do a fair evaluation of the condition of pavement in a city. There is a problem with paying those "consultants" to change the standards and grade on a curve so that it looks like the conditions are better than they actually are. Much of the reputation of our city is because of the staff who work in the city already.

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    3. Some of the engineer who suck were there for 25-30 years and were finally let go after a lot of damage had already happened.

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    4. There is a national standard for rating pavement condition. Another Encinitas conspiracy theory, always something nefarious happening at the City.

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    5. To hire consultants to grade on a curve using our taxfunds that could have been applied to fixing some of the areas that they ignored would have been a better use of that money. No engineer who I know would think it is right to lower the bar and claim that conditions are better than they are. That seems like fraud to me when public safety is concerned but definitely something that I would expect of Gus Vina the council members at that time.

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    6. You are right, an engineer wouldn't do it, and that is why it didn't happen. And your evidence that is actually happened is? As someone stated above, once the pavement is rated it's condition in future years is based on degradation curves. Those curves are based on historic degradation of roadways all over California, not necessarily Encinitas roads. It is not uncommon for roads in San Diego County to perform better than the degradation curves. You do understand that funding for pavement management doubled under Vina and that council. So with your logic, Vina said the pavement was better so he needed more funding.

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    7. A lot of funding for projects doubled under Vina and and that council ended up in the pockets of consultants who took our money. According to Tony Kranz, Encinitas taxpayers are paying $650,000 per year on the Pacific View School, which remains unusable. Vina and Barth brought in a consultant to try to figure out ways to raise more taxes on residents, and Lisa Shaffer proposed charging for parking at the beach so that they could continue to use our money in wasteful ways. We have spent money on round about consultants and many other consultants and don't have enough money to build the Streetscape and have had to cut back on the latest plans, which the council didn't even know about.

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    8. My mistake, I thought you were talking about the roads. City didn't use consultants to deliver road maintenance projects under Vina. That all changed after he left.

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    9. Thanks. We are in agreement that you made a mistake.

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    10. I appreciate you accepting my apology for discussing a subject unrelated to this thread.

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    11. All of the issues are linked and deal with incompetent leadership and other sytemic city issues.

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  2. The business section of El Camino Real between Encinitas Blvd and Leucadia Blvd. East side.
    West side has some very bad pot holes.
    What company did the street repair after all the excavation?
    Do we have qualified inspectors? I don't think so.

    Now that that section of El Camino Real is "so screwed up" it needs to be surfaced ground (roughed up) and repaved. All valve boxes and underground vaults brought to level of surface.
    Then, re-striped.
    Yes, I know what I'm writing about.

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  3. Leucadia Blvd between Quail Gardens Drive and Saxony Road gets my vote.

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  4. Vulcan north of Encinitas Boulevard all the way to La Costa Ave.

    Our City has the worse roads in the county. Went from an A to an F in the last 10 years.

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  5. On hiring outside consultants, we are being scammed by the, not our, planning dept.

    If these so-called planners cannot do the job they were hired for, we might as well be better off without any of them.

    The Planning Dept. has had a long standing disconnect to the community members who give of their time to call them out on their sellout of our once special community.

    For what our taxes pay these overpaid unregulated planners, why shouldn't we expect some respect for us trying to stem the tide of these incestuous developer relationships.

    As one whom has seen this for decades, the glad handing in the chambers and out in the hall after a favorable ruling, shows how corrupted our city has become.

    For what our planners are so handsomely paid, we should demand that they are qualified enough to do the work they were hired for, instead of farming out everything they can to costly outside consultants who know nothing about our community's intrinsic values in any way.

    The height of incompetence in hiring and keeping planners on staff who are good for nothing than farming out every issue to others who have no stake in our futures, has to end.

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  6. As for this cretin who blindly espouses the hating left, I have some question for you.

    How long have you been supporting the destruction of our democracy?

    How long have you been supporting treasonous behavior, in favor of a fascist traitor?

    How long will you continue to support a spineless party that has supported an anti-democracy leaning agenda?

    I would like to know who this traitor is in our community.

    Out this despicable deplorable example of a human being please, if anyone knows who he is.

    He more than deserves to be made public for his anti- democracy right wing fascist leaning tendencies.

    I wonder if he is even a local, and whether his first language is english. This is for you comrade.

    As the tool for destroying our democracy that you wholeheartedly support, you are a traitor in every sense of the word.

    Traitor!

    As the traitor you are, what you deserve is to be outed.







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    1. 1:27...get back on your medications. Leftist nut case.

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  7. Oh brother. rants are soooo lame. Especially about federal politics.

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  8. This string is supposed to be about citing examples of bad roads in Encinitas.

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  9. Let us not forget the valve boxes (water, gas) sewer access lids and electric vaults that are below the surface of the street.
    So when you are driving and the tire of your vehicle hits/drops in and ruins your suspension...you pay, not the city.
    But remember, she can change the climate...my gawd...the insanity

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  10. Not the worst local road: the one that goes past the mayor's house, newly paved in the last year or so.

    Is there any truth to her having stopped at a certain competitor candidate's driveway? Had paving done her her private road at taxpayer expense? Inquiring minds.

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  11. Only four of 22 comments cited specific bad roads. Maybe the roads ain't so bad generally.

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    1. Maybe you don't live here, 4:50. Too numerous to count. Any idea about the patch fixed in front of the mayor's? Asking for a city full of friends.

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  12. 4:50 - Could you really be that stupid or maybe you've never been to Encinitas. 8:21pm nails it.

    The whole City's streets system sucks yet the Mayor's street is newly paved. What gives?

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    1. The purpose of the string is to ID the worst roads. did you miss the point?

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    2. And the mayor potentially pulling in road maintenance favors, potentially illegal ones, are off limits as a topic on this thread? How much exactly did you contribute to the mayor's campaign, 9:15? You're protesting a bit too much here.

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    3. The title of the thread is "Worst local roads"

      The text below the title says:

      "How about starting a string that asks people to name the worst road in Encinitas? 'Worst' meaning the condition of the pavement."

      You're missing the point. Name the bad roads.

      Everybody knows the mayor is a grifter.

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  13. 11:22 - People were naming the worse roads and they were making good points about poor pavement management.

    Either you live in a weird tiny upside down world or I agree with 11:22pm that you are protesting a bit too much here and seem to be trying to divert attention away from yet another Mayor scandal.

    A response that it's hard to pick the worse roads because all the roads are in horrendous shape is also a perfectly good blog response.

    Its a blog not your class jackass.

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    1. How can the WORST roads be paved if they're not identified? Thirty-two posts, four WORST roads named.

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    2. We all tend to drive the same roads. Unless all 32 lived in very different parts of town we'll likely name the same ones. The two I would have chosen were already mentioned by a poster.

      So calm yourself the F down, 12:18. Don't wreck a good convo. 12:04 makes good points, perhaps we could expand the discussion from the thread title. Would that be ok with you?

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    3. I don't think "we all tend to drive the same roads." We drive those in our individual communities and the routes we usually take. I haven't driven in three of the five communities in several years. I can't say a thing about the roads there.

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    4. That's what I meant. We all drive the same roads as individuals, by habit: I drive the same roads every day and don't venture onto most others in the city. That's why I didn't write "we all drive all roads."

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  14. The one that is paved with good intentions?

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  15. The comments outside of naming specificlly the worst roads are fine. They are investigating the topic at a deeper level of cause and effect. Why are certain roads not so great? Maybe it is an entrenched system of city engineers who sucked, perhaps it is favoratism to certain neighbohoods, maybe it is an indication of misspent city funds. We still don't know why the road in front of Catherine Blakespears house is in the shape of a road that was recently paved if the poster's comments are true. If we are going to talk about the worst, we can also talk about the best and speculate on why there is a disparity in the quality of roads in Encinitas.

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    1. City government is corrupt, the mayor is a grifter, and most staff members are incompetent and self-serving. What else is new?

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    2. Blakespear needs to join Stocks in the trash bin of has been politicians.

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  16. Starting at Garden View going up the hill south on Cantebria.

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