HATE personified by a bitter, angry and loveless soul. Castigating where a girl was raised and then affiliating her with Trump...this is right out of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. You are such a low-life and you sadly know it, that is why you cry out as your attempt to character-assassinate someone because her dad had a good job in Barstow, California, long a Marine Corps supply and refurbishment Depot as well as the largest hub for the southern railroads.
Look at all the little whimps talking big under anonymous. Couldn’t last 2 seconds in a debate. Our City Council is so pathetic they stack the entire meeting with the lowest informed wannabe charity fools I’ve ever seen. I’ll shut that spiderweb of lies down myself
IF it has passed, these fools in the City council just passed themselves out of a job. Morons. That is like having a job and with intent doing something stupid to get yourself fired. Proving once again how leftists screw up everything they do.
I'd hate to see Julie Thunder as mayor. She carried herself like a sullen teenage girl last night, instead of discussing issues with integrity, she read text messages...what a joke. It shows where she chooses to hold her priorities and what she wants to hold discourse on. Not intellect or heart, but in the realm of social media like the Mean Girl she is. Her online posts are full of vitriol and barely cohesive arguments.
Ah, the word "vitriol" again. It was the consensus word of choice used last night by Homeless Parking Lot supporters and true loyalists of Blakespear. There is no perfect candidate, but Thunder has been effective in challenging the mayor over the last several month. Stay tuned. Blakespear is no longer a shoo in with all her recent blunders.
The joke was your mayor claiming she had all this support, then having it revealed that she put out a pathetic plea for people far and wide to help her out and stuff the hall.
She knew residents were against her 2:1 as the initial count showed. She was on such a tear to approve the thing that she resorted to sneaky tactics in a truly sad attempt to improve the optics.
Now, that's a sullen teenager for you. Can't get her way so resorts to sneaking around. No cohesive arguments so she packs the chambers with who-knows-who.
I feel sorry for anyone who mistakes that behavior for "intellect."
Actually, according to the Coast News, more people spoke in favor of the proposal than against it.
Both sides invited their supporters to show up, and one side had more supporters. Council voted with the majority of citizens who expressed an opinion.
Then the Coast News got it dead wrong. The city clerk read out 129 opposed, 66 supported and 22 opposed, 17 supported when they did the roll call with only those present after 6 hours.
Funny how weak a program is it can only draw in PROPS, many from out of town and pre-written speeches. That is weakness but that’s why regime change is and will happen
I don't know much about Julie Thunder, so what I say next is not an endorsement of her personally or her views in general, but I thought it was appropriate for her to read the text messages. Process is important, and many constituents were right to point this out. The mayor and several council members appear to have initially moved the homeless parking lot forward without citizen awareness or involvement. Once citizens were brought in, the parking lot plan had too much momentum to be stopped. I am not a fan of how this thing went down.
No one had a problem with her reading the messages. It just wasn’t the Perry Mason moment she thought it was. She proved that both sides of the issue encouraged supporters to turn out. Apparently more citizens turned out in favor.
Blakespear started talking with Leichtag back in 2018. To excuse her step over Municipal Code and the legal process to approve by claiming it's an emergency is not disingenuous, it's an outright lie.
For Hinze to double down on the excuse by claiming she shares a sentiment with MLK that "when you see smoke, you put out the fire," knowing this is was long in the works, rings just as hollow as Blakespear's pretexts.
I disagree that Julie Thunder was showing "mean girl" behavior. Julie simply read a text that showed how supporters of this item were told to fill in a pink slip supporting it and then wait for a text to come back at the appointed time so that their vote could be counted. The dumb N3 people sat through the entire night! Why even pretend to follow the rules when the fix was in?
It was stunning to hear her call for respect and decorum and to quote MLK when she lives in a private compound with her family, yet is willing to place this project in a different residential neighborhood. So many of us wish we could take back our vote for her.
Gaspar had comments spot on. The most useful and accurate information in 2 minutes. Blakespear and the other clowns are so fricken stupid. Stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Providing overnight parking for someone with mental issues and or drug problems is a dumb idea. A better idea would be to take their keys before they kill some innocent Encinitas kid. WTF are they doing? Trying to get more people killed?!!
This same old shit of letting the homeless camp in cars or on the street has been done for the last 30 years with no success. It just makes things worse. Shame on this shitty City Council and shame on all the idiots that spoke in support of this bad program to burn a grant to another money making non-profit.
They should check drivers licenses and insurance prior to letting anyone in the program and if they have warrants, send them to jail.
10:28 - Gaspar's 1-2-3 program with the County is a trememdous success; See-em, call Sheriff, take their shitapart and let'em know how welcome they are. What a warm-hearted person! Regarding the parking lot - a requirement to only allow plated vehicles and drivers with valid licenses enter would screen the monsters that you imagine.
Gaspar went on an unintelligible rant about homelessness that had no point. She didn’t even say what if any changes she’d like to see, or what her solutions were. She tried to jam too much in, didn’t manage her time, and ran well over her two minutes before being cut off. The only discernible point she made was that homelessness and addiction are interrelated. Well, duh, Captain Obvious.
She stormed off in a huff, for no reason that made sense to anyone.
After watching Gaspar several times in replay, I still have no idea if she was for or against the safe lot proposal. If she had an opinion on that, she never got to it.
She’s been watching too much Fox News, where arm flapping and yelling appear to substitute for making a logical point.
Julie Thunder's biggest accomplishment was rallying against the coastal rail trail. She posted videos of how it would destroy our quaint town with miles of concrete. Remember that tomorrow when you see dozens of families, runners, and citizens enjoying the sunshine, walking the trail.
Many of the newer Encinitas residents most likely don't know the history of this property which was once part of the sprawling Ecke Ranch property. Leichtag ultimately got what they wanted and what the Ecke's failed to do for a second time(and the reason that they sold), they got the property rezoned. The property is agricultural zoned for perpetuity, but now that is being rewritten because of the declared "homeless crisis".
Some speakers at the council meeting claimed to have copies of the Leichtag long term plan for the property which stated that to get the property rezoned they needed to find agreeable partners in the community which could garner support for a zoning change. Groups helping the homeless are likable.
Perhaps this isn't accurate, but time will tell. It was pretty obvious that the council had already made up their minds before the meeting, and the rush to get this done seems suspicious. I live a couple blocks from the property and was initially in support of this plan, but at a closer look, it seems to be about a lot more than a small HEAP grant for 25 cars.
Of course it is about the zoning. Can you imagine the revised value of 68 acres of "ag only" real estate converted to urban/commercial in this area! 9:58 AM is naive.
This was the design when Leichtag bought the property. They realize small town politics have amateurs that can be bought off easily - like Kranz on his Holy Land tour. The others probably have their perks too; well hidden from the public view. Plus Leichtag will support their reelections with generous donations.
How many copies do you want of the plans for LTag from April 2018? So sick of these lying fools, This is a beach town, not a Blakespear drug, criminals, and derelict magnet town
If you are inclined to support a challenger based on a perception that Mayor Blakespear places her own judgement ahead of others, then you couldn’t pick a more ironic candidate to support than Julie Thunder.
I attended several of the public meetings regarding the planning and decisions for the rail trail. Ms. Thunder was a fixture at those meetings, and her behavior was abhorrent and disrespectful. She constantly spoke out of turn, and shouted over other members of the community. She routinely claimed to be speaking for everyone in the audience, to the point where people regularly had to tell her “Excuse me, but you don’t speak for me.” Even after being admonished by her neighbors and the moderator, she kept right at it.
Her behavior was to ignore the voices in the room, and supplant her own opinion as the the will of everyone. Sound familiar? Her outbursts literally took time away from other citizens who came to be heard, and silenced voices that dissented from her own, including mine.
Julie Thunder is the manifestation of the thing you are protesting—in spades.
You literally could not come up with a more ironic candidate to run on a platform of listening to the people.
Julie may be outspoken, but at least you know where she stands. Catherine is underhanded and bends the rules to breaking on a regular basis.
I'll take outspoken over devious and underhanded any day. Blakespear clearly believes that the ends justify the means and mimics her hero Shaffer by thinking she knows best and residents had best just step aside.
I don't like what I've gotten with Blakespear, time to push her and her agenda out of the way and make room for residents.
Julie Thunder is all bluster and anger. She steamrolls over people and what has she accomplished? Her tenacity really worked well for her when she tried to stop the rail trail, huh? You want a mayor that FAILS?
Pretty much anyone who tries to go through the normal channels at City Hall ends up angry. The ones who remain calm and collected are the backroom deal makers like our current council members who plot and plan years in advance and line up ass-coverage and attack dogs to go after citizens.
The county doesn't vote in Encinitas. Residents fed up with Blakespear's back-room deals do.
3:01 is right, the city made folks angry. There have been several outbursts from people lately who weren't even at the podium, all thanks to Blakespear's slithering.
Claims to represent a “listen to the people” movement, but has a long history of being rude and disruptive, shouting down her neighbors. (See above).
Was a leader in the No Rail Trail group that claimed to be non-partisan, but then co-opted the names of hundreds of petition signers to endorse a slate of far right political candidates.
Claims to espouse a platform of less construction, less developers, and less concrete, while she lives in a home paid for by her husband’s business as, yup, a concrete construction contractor. (http://www.thunderjones.com/)
7:49: true the poster should've been clearer in the wording, but the point still is: how is having local homeless on such a lot desecrating the city's agricultural heritage?
and, to use your own phrasing: Those who "have nowhere else to go" have the two JFS safe parking lots in SD." so you're saying even your own homeless Encinitas residents aren't welcome in their own town anymore. nice....
The poster wasn't unclear, the poster was sensationalizing an opinion that many share. And I didn't say unwelcome, you did. My point is "nowhere else to go" is a lie.
This lot threatens agricultural zoning because it violates it.
I predict Blakespear will Trump, thats right Trump, Stocks loss.
She will go from an 85% winning rate to a 45% approval and some other candidate will take the position. I honestly do not know anyone other then her chick posse that supports her anymore.
She screwed herself by not listening to her constituents. Like so many before her, SHE KNOWS BEST in her mind.
At least two in cars seemed to be strong candidates for our safe parking program,” she wrote. “One was a woman with a full-time job in sales who has an MBA and said she’s about a week away from having first and last month’s rent saved up, enabling her to get back into housing. Nobody in her life knows that she is living in her car.”
That is so much crap. When I fall on hard times the first thing I do is circle my family and freinds, who would always be there to help. You know why? Because I would always be there to help them. You earn what you sowe.....
If you burned all your bridges and are a drug addict, you need real help, not just another little hand out like a place to park.
As we all know, they are parking somewhere now anyway. Blakespear is clueless!!!
“ Pacific Station is a new upscale mixed-use development located on Coast Hwy 101 in historic downtown Encinitas. The highly detailed and varied architecture blend in nicely with the beach town’s ecclectic retail district.”
From the contract between Jewish Family Service and the Regional Task Force for the homeless (RTFH) (signed 9/19/19)
The program is designed to serve participants from the Northern San Diego Cities of Encinitas, Carlsbad, San Marcos, Vista, Escondido, and Oceanside, with the understanding that the Participant’s city of origin will not be used to determine program eligibility. The program will serve those individuals who are most in need of this service in North County.
3. The following criteria may not be used to determine program eligibility and continued stay:
a) Requirements to take medication if the resident has a mental illness: b) Participation in religious services or activitie: c) Participation in drug treatment services (including NA/AA): d) Payment or ability to pay: e) The city in which the individual or household was last stably housed.
What the contract between JFS and RTFH states above is that this Leichtag homeless parking lot is for all of North County – not solely for Encinitas. Serious mental problems cannot be used to determine eligibility and continued stay.
The HEAP grant total is $256,369. The amount of personnel salaries taken from the grant is $159,287. Look at the JFS budget to see where the rest of this HEAP grant money goes. Certainly not to help the homeless. How is it compassion by the mayor/council to approve a program that increases the coffers of JFS instead of putting most of that money into immediately helping the unsheltered.
I'm just gonna push the elephant to the front of the room: Are any of you picking up on the anti homeless, anti Jewish element to some of the outrage over the city's action? It's not my intent to brand all the critics in this light, but some are SO angry and SO outraged, I'm starting to worry.
That was the issue and those were the sponsors. If you are implying something more sinister than opposition to a controversial plan, then I think you are playing the "race card" sort of approach - the old "ace in the hole".
I think that 6:43 PM has the wrong elephant and the wrong room.... The anger surrounding this issue is directed towards a city council that surreptitiously pushed a controversial plan for the homeless forward without considering what the community preferences were. In fact, from the meeting several days ago, it was clear that community sentiment is against the proposal, but the majority of the city council ignored that sentiment because they had already made up their minds to approve the proposal.
Those who showed up to speak were from Vista, San Diego and Oregon and were asking for Leucadia residents to open their neighborhood for people who qualify for the grant (who could be from anywhere in CA). I do not live near this project, but I can understand why they don't want to invite in more traffic and other potential risk to their neighborhood.
Both sides had attendance from inside Encinitas and out. Go on Nextdoor and see all of the people from Carlsbad engaged in the opposition.
Beyond the headcount, which favored the proposal, Council also saw that one side was based on emotion, hyperbole, false information, scare tactics and classism.
They made the right call and supported the majority in the room.
The opening comment claimed that there were more people who supported the project at the meeting than there were those who opposed and that is why the council voted as they did. That statement was not true since they had already made up their minds and were discussing shower delivery during a break! Now you are trying to muddy the water by saying that people from Carlsbad posted that they were against it, too.
Both sides had support from outside Encinitas. Legally people cannot be compelled to disclose their address as a condition to speak at a city council meeting. Therefore, we can’t know which side had more support from outside Encinitas. This is a fact.
The Coast News reporter counted the speakers, and wrote “ More than 90 people spoke during public comment, with a few more people in support of the lot than against it.” (https://www.thecoastnews.com/encinitas-city-council-approves-overnight-parking-lot-for-homeless/). This is a fact.
Council voted with the majority. This is a fact.
I will continue to provide facts. Your side will continue to blast disinformation, scare tactics, and lies.
Facts can be subjective. Anyone who has ever been opposed to a proposal offered up by Leichtag has been called out for being antisemitic. That is their go to every time.
When they were trying to rename our hard earned Enc. Library, we were all called antisemitic by Charlene during a council meeting.
Thankfully one of our own was outraged enough to speak up and call Charlene out . This fine citizen had never intended to speak that evening, but was impelled to counter Charlene's desperate lie about why we did not want our library renamed.
We should all be thankful in a roundabout way that we now have the will to oust all those running for reelection and have the residents willing to run to replace every one of them to form a new majority. Good damn riddance to the incumbents.
The fact is that the mayor had four votes to approve when she walked in and the meeting begin. There were 2 closed session meetings discussing the Leichtag lot with NO previous open meetings or public notice. They planned to slip approval through as a Consent Item and hoped no one would notice. Unfortunately for Blakespear a citizen went to the open session part of the closed session and blew the whistle. The council had been negotiating with Leichtag for months beforehand. They knew the issue would be controversial, not only over the zoning issue, but also the location in a residential area. The city had already designated business and light industrial areas for suitable locations.
As one speaker said, Blakespear wanted a "feather in her cap." She got it among the Leichtag supporters. It will hurt her badly in November as the city becomes the North County hub for homeless.
Everyone should take a look at the master plan that Leichtag commissioned from the Urban Land Institute. It will obliterate the agricultural in perpetuity zoning if carried out. Blakespear needs to put the zoning change to a vote under Prop. A or kill it. It's why she is suing Prop. A proponents to invalidate it. Never has there been an issue that has made so many opponents go to city hall to speak. The large number of proponents turned out because Blakespear and Leichtag beat the bushes for speakers, who all had mostly the identical talking points. If you noticed, Charlene Seidle didn’t speak. She has becomes anathema for a critical mass of residents in Encinitas.
Not that it was needed, but thanks for the definition of an incumbent within our current sold out elected reps that have failed miserably to stand for those who voted them in.
They have proven their worth to this community by unashamedly ignoring our pleas to take care before going ahead with a plan so wrought with lies, or misrepresentations, if you prefer.
That this parking lot was advertised far and wide before any approval to attract homeless people to our community, with and without a vehicle to 'live in' from all over the state and beyond, is unconscionable.
Where will JFS and Leightag be when our town is overrun with homeless? It has been happening already thanks to them spreading the word that our city is welcoming to all the homeless.
Our fellow N County municipalities knew better and refused to have any homeless parking lots.
Enc. previously 'had' the lowest numbers of homeless. Since the latest tally happened a couple of nights ago, you can bet their numbers were massaged to fit their narrative.
Anyone who is not blind can easily see all the new 'live in' vehicles that have appeared here recently.
Build it and they will come should be more accurate in stating, advertise it and they will come, as that is what has occurred.
Our councils shortsighted actions will become a positive when they are all voted out.
The fix was always in long before the public was allowed to know what was being fixed in private. Transparency never entered the equation.
Good damn riddance to them all, and this includes Joe and Jodi for being the enablers. Their last and final two years will be as an outsider who sold their souls, and for what?
I predict their spines might try to change history in the next two years, but it is too late for them. They may as well get out this year. I am sure this will not go anywhere until the new majority is in place and by then, their sell out positions will not be redeemable. Joe and Jodi are there now. Beyond redemption.
This year will become a point in time when our community says enough and throws the bums out for placating to a vocal minority.
For some reason this sounds all too familiar with all the other things going on in our city that does not represent the will of the majority. It is well past time that dues are paid.
In response to 9:20 AM, what makes you say that the community supports the homeless parking lot proposal? I genuinely want to know, as it would impact my perception of what the council did regarding the proposal. Some members of the community support it, and some don't; the question is what percentage. I think that the community is against the homeless proposal. Here are some facts from the January 22 city council meeting. Of the write-in votes from those who did not wish to speak, 129 were opposed to the proposal and 66 in favor. When the clerk did a roll call to see who among the write-in folks was still at the meeting after the last audience speaker finished, they came up with 22 opposed and 17 in favor. Check it out for yourself at 5:11:10 at: https://encinitas.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=7&clip_id=2070
Everyone knows the rules. They are written right on the cards. If you don’t care enough to stick around until your name is called, then your comment card is tossed out and doesn’t count.
I don't expect anyone to actually do it, but someone with some time on their hands could watch the video of the meeting and count the number of speakers who were against the proposal and the number in favor. I don't know if the reporter was wrong or right since I did not count the speakers myself. Perhaps the clerk should have done a count and let everyone know the speaker counts for and against.... Even if one accepts that the reporter is correct, there is still the issue of optics in that the some of the city council appeared to have already made up their minds before the meeting. Not a good look.
There was a count for non-speakers only, which was 20-17. There’s a good reason only people who stick around count. Anyone could go in and fill out dozens of cards with fake names otherwise.
Hey, 1:43 PM, no need for the snark, especially when you may have missed the point. 11:59 AM appears to be asking about the **speakers**. The clerk counted the **non-speakers** at the end, not the **speakers**. When did the clerk count the speakers for the proposal and the speakers against? The SD U-T put 53% of the speakers in favor but gave no precise numbers. Instead of directing snark at someone else's expense, just give the **speaker** counts if you have them. Or read more carefully before you post.
Whoops my bad - so hung up on the Coast News bias, sorry - you are right. regarding the number of speakers, it depends I think when the reporter was there. they popped in and out and with the speakers con front loaded and the speakers pro rear loaded the impression of for/against would be vastly different.
Coast News, Encinitas Advocate, and the Union Trib all reported that there were more speakers in favor of the proposal than against.
You can put your fingers in your ears and scream all you want. But it doesn’t change the fact that you are in the minority, and council voted with the majority.
The San Diego Union-Tribune states: "About 53 percent of the people who spoke to the council supported the proposal, a handful didn’t appear [to] take a position and the remainder opposed it." From: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/encinitas/story/2020-01-23/encinitas-approves-lease-agreement-for-homeless-parking-lot
That said, it is not simply about numbers and percentages. It is also about elected leaders listening to community concerns. And it is about the kind of city we want to have. Although I am politically progressive on the national scale, I am strongly against the homeless parking lot. Encinitas should have taken a pass on this parking lot, as other North County cities did.
"politically progressive". Like taking guns from citizens, ninth month abortions, open boarders for anyone to come in the U.S, taxing more and more, forgiving college debt, national healthcare. That type of "politically progressive"? That's nice...
I (1:22 pm) was simply trying to counter the perception of some people I have talked to that there is (or should be) a left/right split on the issue of hosting the homeless in Encinitas. I don't care what your political views are--sponsoring a homeless parking lot in our community is (IMHO) a bad idea.
This sounds like a project as defined by CEQA. The VMT alone will be sky high since this is the only parking lot in north county. It would be expected to serve people within a twenty mile radius. Good luck with that - and the CEQA law suit
"Hear the Thunder" ...a real citizen stepping up! This should be great. No more elitism!
ReplyDeleteThe Barstow Thunderhole.
DeleteJust another rude Trumper and friend of Stocks.
Make Encinitas Barstow Again
DeleteHATE personified by a bitter, angry and loveless soul. Castigating where a girl was raised and then affiliating her with Trump...this is right out of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. You are such a low-life and you sadly know it, that is why you cry out as your attempt to character-assassinate someone because her dad had a good job in Barstow, California, long a Marine Corps supply and refurbishment Depot as well as the largest hub for the southern railroads.
DeleteGet over yourself.
DeleteEver heard of Baghdad Bob, Tokyo Rose, the Bronx Bombers (NY Yankees), or the Brooklyn Brawler (wrestler).
The inclusion of a place of origin in a nickname is a well-worn path.
The fact that you see “Barstow” as an insult says more about what you think of the place than anyone else.
If she's a Trumper, I'm out... we do not need lying POS, self-serving, a-holes around - do we?
Delete10:26 is the Barstow Thunderhole herself.
DeleteCan’t say how I know.
Look at all the little whimps talking big under anonymous. Couldn’t last 2 seconds in a debate. Our City Council is so pathetic they stack the entire meeting with the lowest informed wannabe charity fools I’ve ever seen. I’ll shut that spiderweb of lies down myself
Deleteits time for us voters to take care of this town and vote out these clowns.
ReplyDeleteI do not want to welcome the homeless problems of Santa Cruz to Encinitas. Sickening.
They created the problem and I have every bit of it documented
DeleteWas there a final resolution on the Leichtag parking lot idea? What happened?
ReplyDeleteIt passed.
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/misskaylajj/status/1220387215647182848
Money talks!
DeleteAnyone else notice how many comments are disappearing from this racist blog? I wonder how long this one lasts.
ReplyDeleteIF it has passed, these fools in the City council just passed themselves out of a job. Morons. That is like having a job and with intent doing something stupid to get yourself fired.
ReplyDeleteProving once again how leftists screw up everything they do.
I'd hate to see Julie Thunder as mayor. She carried herself like a sullen teenage girl last night, instead of discussing issues with integrity, she read text messages...what a joke. It shows where she chooses to hold her priorities and what she wants to hold discourse on. Not intellect or heart, but in the realm of social media like the Mean Girl she is. Her online posts are full of vitriol and barely cohesive arguments.
ReplyDeleteAh, the word "vitriol" again. It was the consensus word of choice used last night by Homeless Parking Lot supporters and true loyalists of Blakespear. There is no perfect candidate, but Thunder has been effective in challenging the mayor over the last several month. Stay tuned. Blakespear is no longer a shoo in with all her recent blunders.
DeleteThe joke was your mayor claiming she had all this support, then having it revealed that she put out a pathetic plea for people far and wide to help her out and stuff the hall.
DeleteShe knew residents were against her 2:1 as the initial count showed. She was on such a tear to approve the thing that she resorted to sneaky tactics in a truly sad attempt to improve the optics.
Now, that's a sullen teenager for you. Can't get her way so resorts to sneaking around. No cohesive arguments so she packs the chambers with who-knows-who.
I feel sorry for anyone who mistakes that behavior for "intellect."
Actually, according to the Coast News, more people spoke in favor of the proposal than against it.
DeleteBoth sides invited their supporters to show up, and one side had more supporters. Council voted with the majority of citizens who expressed an opinion.
Then the Coast News got it dead wrong. The city clerk read out 129 opposed, 66 supported and 22 opposed, 17 supported when they did the roll call with only those present after 6 hours.
DeleteFunny how weak a program is it can only draw in PROPS, many from out of town and pre-written speeches. That is weakness but that’s why regime change is and will happen
DeleteI don't know much about Julie Thunder, so what I say next is not an endorsement of her personally or her views in general, but I thought it was appropriate for her to read the text messages. Process is important, and many constituents were right to point this out. The mayor and several council members appear to have initially moved the homeless parking lot forward without citizen awareness or involvement. Once citizens were brought in, the parking lot plan had too much momentum to be stopped. I am not a fan of how this thing went down.
ReplyDeleteThe text messages illustrated the voice of the people and not the elitists. Anyone that opposed her reading thea is an elitist in sheep's clothing!
DeleteNo one had a problem with her reading the messages. It just wasn’t the Perry Mason moment she thought it was. She proved that both sides of the issue encouraged supporters to turn out. Apparently more citizens turned out in favor.
DeleteSo what?
So the messages didn't bother you? You're a shoot the messenger type and blakespear apologist. Got your number, 1:52.
DeleteBlakespear started talking with Leichtag back in 2018. To excuse her step over Municipal Code and the legal process to approve by claiming it's an emergency is not disingenuous, it's an outright lie.
ReplyDeleteFor Hinze to double down on the excuse by claiming she shares a sentiment with MLK that "when you see smoke, you put out the fire," knowing this is was long in the works, rings just as hollow as Blakespear's pretexts.
I disagree that Julie Thunder was showing "mean girl" behavior. Julie simply read a text that showed how supporters of this item were told to fill in a pink slip supporting it and then wait for a text to come back at the appointed time so that their vote could be counted. The dumb N3 people sat through the entire night! Why even pretend to follow the rules when the fix was in?
ReplyDeleteIt was stunning to hear her call for respect and decorum and to quote MLK when she lives in a private compound with her family, yet is willing to place this project in a different residential neighborhood. So many of us wish we could take back our vote for her.
Gaspar had comments spot on. The most useful and accurate information in 2 minutes. Blakespear and the other clowns are so fricken stupid. Stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
ReplyDeleteProviding overnight parking for someone with mental issues and or drug problems is a dumb idea. A better idea would be to take their keys before they kill some innocent Encinitas kid. WTF are they doing? Trying to get more people killed?!!
This same old shit of letting the homeless camp in cars or on the street has been done for the last 30 years with no success. It just makes things worse. Shame on this shitty City Council and shame on all the idiots that spoke in support of this bad program to burn a grant to another money making non-profit.
They should check drivers licenses and insurance prior to letting anyone in the program and if they have warrants, send them to jail.
I fully agree with the above post and I voted for Blakespear last election.
DeleteI am sorry Encinitas. I failed you last election, but I promise I will never make that grave mistake again!! Please forgive me.
6:56 You didn't vote for Blakespear. You are lying. You want people to think the tide is changing, but your efforts deceive no one.
Delete10:28 - Gaspar's 1-2-3 program with the County is a trememdous success; See-em, call Sheriff, take their shitapart and let'em know how welcome they are. What a warm-hearted person!
DeleteRegarding the parking lot - a requirement to only allow plated vehicles and drivers with valid licenses enter would screen the monsters that you imagine.
Fire (vote out) Blakespear and Vote for Encinitas resident Crista Curtis for Mayor!!
ReplyDeletehttps://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/controversial-homeless-parking-lot-up-for-vote-in-encinitas/2248349/
Gaspar went on an unintelligible rant about homelessness that had no point. She didn’t even say what if any changes she’d like to see, or what her solutions were. She tried to jam too much in, didn’t manage her time, and ran well over her two minutes before being cut off. The only discernible point she made was that homelessness and addiction are interrelated. Well, duh, Captain Obvious.
ReplyDeleteShe stormed off in a huff, for no reason that made sense to anyone.
After watching Gaspar several times in replay, I still have no idea if she was for or against the safe lot proposal. If she had an opinion on that, she never got to it.
She’s been watching too much Fox News, where arm flapping and yelling appear to substitute for making a logical point.
Julie Thunder's biggest accomplishment was rallying against the coastal rail trail. She posted videos of how it would destroy our quaint town with miles of concrete. Remember that tomorrow when you see dozens of families, runners, and citizens enjoying the sunshine, walking the trail.
ReplyDeleteIt was so much more enjoyable as a sandstone cruising natural trail. It’s now Orange County vision, our Mayors vision. Julie was right again.
DeleteMany of the newer Encinitas residents most likely don't know the history of this property which was once part of the sprawling Ecke Ranch property. Leichtag ultimately got what they wanted and what the Ecke's failed to do for a second time(and the reason that they sold), they got the property rezoned. The property is agricultural zoned for perpetuity, but now that is being rewritten because of the declared "homeless crisis".
ReplyDeleteSome speakers at the council meeting claimed to have copies of the Leichtag long term plan for the property which stated that to get the property rezoned they needed to find agreeable partners in the community which could garner support for a zoning change. Groups helping the homeless are likable.
Perhaps this isn't accurate, but time will tell. It was pretty obvious that the council had already made up their minds before the meeting, and the rush to get this done seems suspicious. I live a couple blocks from the property and was initially in support of this plan, but at a closer look, it seems to be about a lot more than a small HEAP grant for 25 cars.
“ they got the property rezoned.”
DeleteBullshit.
Show evidence.
Of course it is about the zoning. Can you imagine the revised value of 68 acres of "ag only" real estate converted to urban/commercial in this area! 9:58 AM is naive.
DeleteFor you doubters, read for yourselves: https://americas.uli.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/ULI-Documents/Leichtag-TAP-Report_061018.pdf
DeleteThis was the design when Leichtag bought the property. They realize small town politics have amateurs that can be bought off easily - like Kranz on his Holy Land tour. The others probably have their perks too; well hidden from the public view. Plus Leichtag will support their reelections with generous donations.
DeleteHow many copies do you want of the plans for LTag from April 2018? So sick of these lying fools, This is a beach town, not a Blakespear drug, criminals, and derelict magnet town
DeleteIf you are inclined to support a challenger based on a perception that Mayor Blakespear places her own judgement ahead of others, then you couldn’t pick a more ironic candidate to support than Julie Thunder.
ReplyDeleteI attended several of the public meetings regarding the planning and decisions for the rail trail. Ms. Thunder was a fixture at those meetings, and her behavior was abhorrent and disrespectful. She constantly spoke out of turn, and shouted over other members of the community. She routinely claimed to be speaking for everyone in the audience, to the point where people regularly had to tell her “Excuse me, but you don’t speak for me.” Even after being admonished by her neighbors and the moderator, she kept right at it.
Her behavior was to ignore the voices in the room, and supplant her own opinion as the the will of everyone. Sound familiar? Her outbursts literally took time away from other citizens who came to be heard, and silenced voices that dissented from her own, including mine.
Julie Thunder is the manifestation of the thing you are protesting—in spades.
You literally could not come up with a more ironic candidate to run on a platform of listening to the people.
^^This is exactly where her nickname comes from.
DeleteJulie may be outspoken, but at least you know where she stands. Catherine is underhanded and bends the rules to breaking on a regular basis.
DeleteI'll take outspoken over devious and underhanded any day. Blakespear clearly believes that the ends justify the means and mimics her hero Shaffer by thinking she knows best and residents had best just step aside.
I don't like what I've gotten with Blakespear, time to push her and her agenda out of the way and make room for residents.
Julie Thunder is all bluster and anger. She steamrolls over people and what has she accomplished? Her tenacity really worked well for her when she tried to stop the rail trail, huh? You want a mayor that FAILS?
ReplyDeleteDon't look now 2:45 but we HAVE ONE.
DeletePretty much anyone who tries to go through the normal channels at City Hall ends up angry. The ones who remain calm and collected are the backroom deal makers like our current council members who plot and plan years in advance and line up ass-coverage and attack dogs to go after citizens.
DeleteApparently half the county want a bombastic, angry blowhard to run things. Ugh.
DeleteThe county doesn't vote in Encinitas. Residents fed up with Blakespear's back-room deals do.
Delete3:01 is right, the city made folks angry. There have been several outbursts from people lately who weren't even at the podium, all thanks to Blakespear's slithering.
It will be an interesting race but I don't think Thunder has a chance against Blakespear.
ReplyDeleteThunder has a great chance! Blakespear has alienated the large groups of people in every community who are all motivated to replace her.
DeleteFacts about candidate Julie Thunder:
ReplyDeleteClaims to represent a “listen to the people” movement, but has a long history of being rude and disruptive, shouting down her neighbors. (See above).
Was a leader in the No Rail Trail group that claimed to be non-partisan, but then co-opted the names of hundreds of petition signers to endorse a slate of far right political candidates.
Claims to espouse a platform of less construction, less developers, and less concrete, while she lives in a home paid for by her husband’s business as, yup, a concrete construction contractor. (http://www.thunderjones.com/)
Most of the comments that 4:58 has shared about Julie Thunder are opinions and not facts.
ReplyDeleteGame on.
DeletePlease let me know what facts you dispute. Happy to provide evidence.
Editorial in the North Coast Current mentions her take on the homeless as a blight on historic property:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.northcoastcurrent.com/?p=8745
??? The word "blighted" wasn't used and Thunder said "agricultural heritage," not "historic property."
DeleteThose who "have nowhere else to go" have the two JFS safe parking lots in SD.
I'm sure you're a valued asset to blakespear's campaign. Twist everything and lie while you're at it.
7:49: true the poster should've been clearer in the wording, but the point still is: how is having local homeless on such a lot desecrating the city's agricultural heritage?
Deleteand, to use your own phrasing: Those who "have nowhere else to go" have the two JFS safe parking lots in SD." so you're saying even your own homeless Encinitas residents aren't welcome in their own town anymore. nice....
The poster wasn't unclear, the poster was sensationalizing an opinion that many share. And I didn't say unwelcome, you did. My point is "nowhere else to go" is a lie.
DeleteThis lot threatens agricultural zoning because it violates it.
Right! So many strawberries could be grown in that parking lot!
DeleteI predict Blakespear will Trump, thats right Trump, Stocks loss.
ReplyDeleteShe will go from an 85% winning rate to a 45% approval and some other candidate will take the position. I honestly do not know anyone other then her chick posse that supports her anymore.
She screwed herself by not listening to her constituents. Like so many before her, SHE KNOWS BEST in her mind.
NEXT!!!!
At least two in cars seemed to be strong candidates for our safe parking program,” she wrote. “One was a woman with a full-time job in sales who has an MBA and said she’s about a week away from having first and last month’s rent saved up, enabling her to get back into housing. Nobody in her life knows that she is living in her car.”
ReplyDeleteThat is so much crap. When I fall on hard times the first thing I do is circle my family and freinds, who would always be there to help. You know why? Because I would always be there to help them. You earn what you sowe.....
If you burned all your bridges and are a drug addict, you need real help, not just another little hand out like a place to park.
As we all know, they are parking somewhere now anyway. Blakespear is clueless!!!
Vote for anyone but her!!!!
8:38 and 9:48 are both the Thunderhole.
ReplyDeleteI can’t tell you how I know, but trust me, it’s her.
Pacific Station large, 3-story, concrete building in Encinitas.
ReplyDeleteBrought to you by: the family business of Julie Thunder.
Julie says she’s for less concrete; She doesn’t think you’re very smart.
http://www.thunderjones.com/project7_pac.html
“ Pacific Station is a new upscale mixed-use development located on Coast Hwy 101 in historic downtown Encinitas. The highly detailed and varied architecture blend in nicely with the beach town’s ecclectic retail district.”
DeleteProfiteering off our community character. Nice. If true, she’s toast.
DeleteWell that didn’t take long.
Didn't take long to make a mountain out of a molehill. SNORE.
DeleteFrom the contract between Jewish Family Service and the Regional Task Force for the homeless (RTFH) (signed 9/19/19)
ReplyDeleteThe program is designed to serve participants from the Northern San Diego Cities of Encinitas, Carlsbad, San Marcos, Vista, Escondido, and Oceanside, with the understanding that the Participant’s city of origin will not be used to determine program eligibility. The program will
serve those individuals who are most in need of this service in North County.
3. The following criteria may not be used to determine program eligibility and continued stay:
a) Requirements to take medication if the resident has a mental illness:
b) Participation in religious services or activitie:
c) Participation in drug treatment services (including NA/AA):
d) Payment or ability to pay:
e) The city in which the individual or household was last stably housed.
What the contract between JFS and RTFH states above is that this Leichtag homeless parking lot is for all of North County – not solely for Encinitas. Serious mental problems cannot be used to determine eligibility and continued stay.
The HEAP grant total is $256,369. The amount of personnel salaries taken from the grant is $159,287. Look at the JFS budget to see where the rest of this HEAP grant money goes. Certainly not to help the homeless. How is it compassion by the mayor/council to approve a program that increases the coffers of JFS instead of putting most of that money into immediately helping the unsheltered.
Mayor overhead during the arranging for portable shower delivery before they even took the vote.
DeleteShe'll do anything for the agenda.
This has been a done deal from the start - that's why it was not publicized. The opposing voices never were an element in where this was going.
DeleteI'm just gonna push the elephant to the front of the room: Are any of you picking up on the anti homeless, anti Jewish element to some of the outrage over the city's action? It's not my intent to brand all the critics in this light, but some are SO angry and SO outraged, I'm starting to worry.
ReplyDeleteThat was the issue and those were the sponsors. If you are implying something more sinister than opposition to a controversial plan, then I think you are playing the "race card" sort of approach - the old "ace in the hole".
DeleteAnti-corrupt.
ReplyDeleteI think that 6:43 PM has the wrong elephant and the wrong room.... The anger surrounding this issue is directed towards a city council that surreptitiously pushed a controversial plan for the homeless forward without considering what the community preferences were. In fact, from the meeting several days ago, it was clear that community sentiment is against the proposal, but the majority of the city council ignored that sentiment because they had already made up their minds to approve the proposal.
ReplyDeleteNo more respect for the Coast News, saying the majority were for lot where it was obviously two to one against if not more! Fire that reporter.
ReplyDeleteCN got it right.
DeleteCouncil sided with the majority of citizens who showed up.
Democracy works.
Those who showed up to speak were from Vista, San Diego and Oregon and were asking for Leucadia residents to open their neighborhood for people who qualify for the grant (who could be from anywhere in CA). I do not live near this project, but I can understand why they don't want to invite in more traffic and other potential risk to their neighborhood.
DeleteBoth sides had attendance from inside Encinitas and out. Go on Nextdoor and see all of the people from Carlsbad engaged in the opposition.
DeleteBeyond the headcount, which favored the proposal, Council also saw that one side was based on emotion, hyperbole, false information, scare tactics and classism.
They made the right call and supported the majority in the room.
The opening comment claimed that there were more people who supported the project at the meeting than there were those who opposed and that is why the council voted as they did. That statement was not true since they had already made up their minds and were discussing shower delivery during a break! Now you are trying to muddy the water by saying that people from Carlsbad posted that they were against it, too.
DeleteGive it a rest, Marco!
Facts:
DeleteBoth sides had support from outside Encinitas. Legally people cannot be compelled to disclose their address as a condition to speak at a city council meeting. Therefore, we can’t know which side had more support from outside Encinitas. This is a fact.
The Coast News reporter counted the speakers, and wrote “ More than 90 people spoke during public comment, with a few more people in support of the lot than against it.” (https://www.thecoastnews.com/encinitas-city-council-approves-overnight-parking-lot-for-homeless/). This is a fact.
Council voted with the majority. This is a fact.
I will continue to provide facts. Your side will continue to blast disinformation, scare tactics, and lies.
Marco, this is why people in this town don't want to hire you. Word is spreading.
DeleteHow about this fact: Council was going to vote for this regardless. Money always wins in America.
DeleteActually, this isn’t a fact.
DeleteIt’s a hypothetical. The fact is, we can’t know what would have happened if the opposition to the proposal had a majority, because they didn’t.
Facts can be subjective. Anyone who has ever been opposed to a proposal offered up by Leichtag has been called out for being antisemitic. That is their go to every time.
ReplyDeleteWhen they were trying to rename our hard earned Enc. Library, we were all called antisemitic by Charlene during a council meeting.
Thankfully one of our own was outraged enough to speak up and call Charlene out . This fine citizen had never intended to speak that evening, but was impelled to counter Charlene's desperate lie about why we did not want our library renamed.
We should all be thankful in a roundabout way that we now have the will to oust all those running for reelection and have the residents willing to run to replace every one of them to form a new majority. Good damn riddance to the incumbents.
in·cum·bent
ReplyDelete/inˈkəmbənt/
1. Worn out Encinitas politician with no vision in need of replacing.
The fact is that the mayor had four votes to approve when she walked in and the meeting begin. There were 2 closed session meetings discussing the Leichtag lot with NO previous open meetings or public notice. They planned to slip approval through as a Consent Item and hoped no one would notice. Unfortunately for Blakespear a citizen went to the open session part of the closed session and blew the whistle. The council had been negotiating with Leichtag for months beforehand. They knew the issue would be controversial, not only over the zoning issue, but also the location in a residential area. The city had already designated business and light industrial areas for suitable locations.
ReplyDeleteAs one speaker said, Blakespear wanted a "feather in her cap." She got it among the Leichtag supporters. It will hurt her badly in November as the city becomes the North County hub for homeless.
Everyone should take a look at the master plan that Leichtag commissioned from the Urban Land Institute. It will obliterate the agricultural in perpetuity zoning if carried out. Blakespear needs to put the zoning change to a vote under Prop. A or kill it. It's why she is suing Prop. A proponents to invalidate it. Never has there been an issue that has made so many opponents go to city hall to speak. The large number of proponents turned out because Blakespear and Leichtag beat the bushes for speakers, who all had mostly the identical talking points. If you noticed, Charlene Seidle didn’t speak. She has becomes anathema for a critical mass of residents in Encinitas.
Not that it was needed, but thanks for the definition of an incumbent within our current sold out elected reps that have failed miserably to stand for those who voted them in.
ReplyDeleteThey have proven their worth to this community by unashamedly ignoring our pleas to take care before going ahead with a plan so wrought with lies, or misrepresentations, if you prefer.
That this parking lot was advertised far and wide before any approval to attract homeless people to our community, with and without a vehicle to 'live in' from all over the state and beyond, is unconscionable.
Where will JFS and Leightag be when our town is overrun with homeless? It has been happening already thanks to them spreading the word that our city is welcoming to all the homeless.
Our fellow N County municipalities knew better and refused to have any homeless parking lots.
Enc. previously 'had' the lowest numbers of homeless. Since the latest tally happened a couple of nights ago, you can bet their numbers were massaged to fit their narrative.
Anyone who is not blind can easily see all the new 'live in' vehicles that have appeared here recently.
Build it and they will come should be more accurate in stating, advertise it and they will come, as that is what has occurred.
Our councils shortsighted actions will become a positive when they are all voted out.
The fix was always in long before the public was allowed to know what was being fixed in private. Transparency never entered the equation.
Good damn riddance to them all, and this includes Joe and Jodi for being the enablers. Their last and final two years will be as an outsider who sold their souls, and for what?
I predict their spines might try to change history in the next two years, but it is too late for them. They may as well get out this year. I am sure this will not go anywhere until the new majority is in place and by then, their sell out positions will not be redeemable. Joe and Jodi are there now. Beyond redemption.
This year will become a point in time when our community says enough and throws the bums out for placating to a vocal minority.
For some reason this sounds all too familiar with all the other things going on in our city that does not represent the will of the majority. It is well past time that dues are paid.
In response to 9:20 AM, what makes you say that the community supports the homeless parking lot proposal? I genuinely want to know, as it would impact my perception of what the council did regarding the proposal. Some members of the community support it, and some don't; the question is what percentage. I think that the community is against the homeless proposal. Here are some facts from the January 22 city council meeting. Of the write-in votes from those who did not wish to speak, 129 were opposed to the proposal and 66 in favor. When the clerk did a roll call to see who among the write-in folks was still at the meeting after the last audience speaker finished, they came up with 22 opposed and 17 in favor.
ReplyDeleteCheck it out for yourself at 5:11:10 at: https://encinitas.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=7&clip_id=2070
“More than 90 people spoke during public comment, with a few more people in support of the lot than against it.”
Deletehttps://www.thecoastnews.com/encinitas-city-council-approves-overnight-parking-lot-for-homeless/
Everyone knows the rules. They are written right on the cards. If you don’t care enough to stick around until your name is called, then your comment card is tossed out and doesn’t count.
DeleteRead the card you are filling out.
Coast News reader in such haste to help the city she isn't truthful. So much for independent reporting from that paper. If it goes under, oh well.
DeleteI don't expect anyone to actually do it, but someone with some time on their hands could watch the video of the meeting and count the number of speakers who were against the proposal and the number in favor. I don't know if the reporter was wrong or right since I did not count the speakers myself. Perhaps the clerk should have done a count and let everyone know the speaker counts for and against.... Even if one accepts that the reporter is correct, there is still the issue of optics in that the some of the city council appeared to have already made up their minds before the meeting. Not a good look.
ReplyDeletegeez, the clerk DID do a count - watch the video and hear it.
DeleteThere was a count for non-speakers only, which was 20-17. There’s a good reason only people who stick around count. Anyone could go in and fill out dozens of cards with fake names otherwise.
DeleteHey, 1:43 PM, no need for the snark, especially when you may have missed the point. 11:59 AM appears to be asking about the **speakers**. The clerk counted the **non-speakers** at the end, not the **speakers**. When did the clerk count the speakers for the proposal and the speakers against? The SD U-T put 53% of the speakers in favor but gave no precise numbers. Instead of directing snark at someone else's expense, just give the **speaker** counts if you have them. Or read more carefully before you post.
DeleteWhoops my bad - so hung up on the Coast News bias, sorry - you are right. regarding the number of speakers, it depends I think when the reporter was there. they popped in and out and with the speakers con front loaded and the speakers pro rear loaded the impression of for/against would be vastly different.
DeleteCoast News, Encinitas Advocate, and the Union Trib all reported that there were more speakers in favor of the proposal than against.
DeleteYou can put your fingers in your ears and scream all you want. But it doesn’t change the fact that you are in the minority, and council voted with the majority.
The San Diego Union-Tribune states: "About 53 percent of the people who spoke to the council supported the proposal, a handful didn’t appear [to] take a position and the remainder opposed it." From: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/encinitas/story/2020-01-23/encinitas-approves-lease-agreement-for-homeless-parking-lot
ReplyDeleteThat said, it is not simply about numbers and percentages. It is also about elected leaders listening to community concerns. And it is about the kind of city we want to have. Although I am politically progressive on the national scale, I am strongly against the homeless parking lot. Encinitas should have taken a pass on this parking lot, as other North County cities did.
"politically progressive". Like taking guns from citizens, ninth month abortions, open boarders for anyone to come in the U.S, taxing more and more, forgiving college debt, national healthcare.
ReplyDeleteThat type of "politically progressive"? That's nice...
I (1:22 pm) was simply trying to counter the perception of some people I have talked to that there is (or should be) a left/right split on the issue of hosting the homeless in Encinitas. I don't care what your political views are--sponsoring a homeless parking lot in our community is (IMHO) a bad idea.
ReplyDeleteThis sounds like a project as defined by CEQA. The VMT alone will be sky high since this is the only parking lot in north county. It would be expected to serve people within a twenty mile radius. Good luck with that - and the CEQA law suit
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