Staff appreciates the responses, but remains concerned that the issues raised in the previous correspondence continue to raise significant Coastal Act and LCP consistency issues related to the public’s ability to access the beach or enjoy a recreational drive along the historic Coast Highway. Specific concerns include the following:Additional serious concerns at the link.
[...]
The reduction of traffic speed and the desired outcome of deterring cut-through traffic or traffic shifts from Interstate 5 most likely means that the time it takes to travel through the corridor on Highway 101 will increase. The Commission’s primary concern is that the increase in travel time will deter the public from traveling to Encinitas beaches from inland destinations. If it will take significantly more time for a member of the public to travel from their home to the beach and then to get back from the beach to their home, they may be less likely to use the public beaches in the City.
Saturday, March 31, 2018
Coastal Commission to Leucadia Streetscapers: Not so fast!
Coastal Commission to city staff:
Subscribe to:
Post Comments (Atom)
Too funny. Coastal Commission Staff totally fails their mission by allowing the City to place a huge concrete and steel piece of shit right in the surf zone of the most popular beach in Encinitas. The concrete police and lifeguard forte doesn't nothing to improve safety for the pubic and is actually very damaging to the environment.
ReplyDeleteThe Commissions and the City should start a project to remove these hazardous encroachment on our beach. Please remove this huge piece of shit that this ruining moonlight beach.
Regarding the Streetscape, the CCC staff need to be educated that the project actually embraces and promotes the agency's mission and objectives. The project improves safe access to the coast and improves the environmental conditions along the roadway. This should be a simple issue for the City staff to address.
Carry on KLCC with your crappy lives and we look forward to seeing you at the CCC meeting which can not happen soon enough to get the coastal development permit and construct the streetscape.
8:15 - One of the objectives of project is supposedly to improve safety - specifically, for those on bicycles. What evidence has been presented to support the improved safety claim?
DeleteThere is no way that one lane into and around these roundabouts provides improved safety. The project also decreases safety on Neptune and Vulcan by pushing short-cutting vehicles onto those streets. I send anyone $5 who can show me a similar project - with a similar amount of roundabouts within a 1 mile stretch. People do no configure highways this way because the design does not work.
8:15
Deleteyawn, yawn, yawn. Streetscape embraces your attitude of disrespect for our neighbors, communities and city citizens. Good luck to you and your comrades.
Highway 101 is a designated truck route in the city's municipal code. The six roundabouts must be large enough for big rigs to completely rotate around to the opposite direction. The streetscape plans don't consider this requirement. Send this 101 plan back to the drawing board to include big rigs as part of the traffic on 101.
DeleteIt seems like building more housing in Encinitas without widening the roads is bound to increase traffic and further impede beach access, so how come the CCC is not opposing the Housing Element?
ReplyDeleteGreat point 8:29. They should I know I do.
ReplyDeleteCharlie, put down the bottle.
DeleteI can’t think of anything intelligent to say, so I’ll just say “ Charlie put down the bottle “
DeleteWell thank you KLCC for the great additional comment . So insightful. I guess Ambien does have some side effects . Carry-on Hugs.
Charlie would know about Ambien along with a slew of other drugs.
DeleteHow did the city get so far down the road spending taxpayer money without getting some indication that their plan wouldn't fly with the Coastal Commission and they needed to adjust so it would?
ReplyDeleteThis is job security at its worst, both for "staff" and the consultants they hired. Get paid for doing the same job repeatedly, what a nice little gig if you can get it.
This is an epic fail from the Council on down, once again at our expense. Whether you like Streetscape or hate it, this marks a new level of ineptitude and costly error that should infuriate both sides.
Well, I think this is the first time that I fully agree with you . The city has screwed the pooch on this one from the get go and it just seems to be getting worse .
DeleteHow many times has this happened?
ReplyDeleteA not ready for prime time plan is allowed to continue at great expense by the city listening to real estate and developer interests instead of the only true stakeholders, the residents.
Let the mainstreet orgs. fund themselves. They are all packed with real estate interests. Defund the mainstreet orgs. now. $30,000 a year is a spit in the bucket to them. That money should go to other uses that don't help line the pockets of those whose business it is to develop.
BS. same old KLCC mantra. The bottom line is that roadway is totally unsafe and blight on the Beautiful community of Leucadia.
DeleteGo cry your river to your "Development Services" director Wisneski - that is, if you can recognize her under all that egg on her face.
DeleteShe'd better get used to the look or else fix whatever ails 'em over in Planning.
Streetscape lines the pockets of contract insiders and turns 101 into a pub crawl. Infrastructure is already seriously over-loaded in the region, but over-development rushes the current spike in the housing economy. Interstate 5 is grid-locked most of the time and local roads are chaotic messes. This is a society, controlled by special interests, that emboldens the "cart before the horse" theory.
ReplyDeleteAgree entirely. Unfortunately it's all too easy to think of the influence and perks involved, and in too many cases that come to mind, that are easily accepted.
DeleteOffended over at city hall? Then tell us why the optics aren't as bad as they look.
How can the city screw so many things up ?
ReplyDeleteUnfreaking believable!!!!
The CCC will approve when it’s pointed out that they approved a similar project in Bird Rock that resulted in no problems.
ReplyDeleteBird Rock is the key to approval. Mark my words.
And you might be - ??? A city staff "influencer?" Lol not similar by a long shot, try again. You get three strikes, then you're out. You'll have to do a lot better.
DeleteFinally safe pedestrian access to the beach under I-5 at Encinitas Blvd. How long did that take?? 53 years?? Atta boy council always helping the little guy.
ReplyDeleteYes, in the Coastal Commission’s tunnel vision everything should revolve around getting inland beachgoers to the beach as fast and as effortlessly as possible, local residents be damned. They can’t tolerate the possibility that it may take a minute or two longer, which they haven’t demonstrated, for inlanders to get to the beach. Instead of lowering the speed limit I’m surprised they don’t want the speed limit on 101 raised back to what it used to be when it was the main north-south thoroughfare between LA and San Diego.
ReplyDeleteDon’t think the Coastal Commission is thinking about the residents in this. They don’t really give a damn about what is best for those who live along the coast. They have their narrow vision and view every proposal through that lens. Protecting the coast is important and many things the Coastal Commission does fulfills that goal but this is another case of them overstepping their responsibilities. Believe me, if the Coastal Commission thought even more roundabouts on 101 would get people to the beach quicker, that would be their position. Be careful who you ally with.
Residents catching wind of what Streetscape will mean to them are not at all supportive. It's the business community that bizarrely believes that an angry person in gridlock will suddenly want to go shopping - it's these commercial folk who are desperate to install the thing. They cannot and will not see past the dollar signs flashing before their eyes. It's actually quite pathetic how transparent they are about the real reason they want it. It's not about safety, it's about the money they foolishly think they stand to make. They could at least be honest about their motives, but no.
Delete12:37 sounds just like a 101 business owner. You can hear the panic as they see the money slipping away....
1:37 PM
Delete"12:37 sounds just like a 101 business owner."
Sorry, not even close.
Sorry, I call bullshit. You sound too angry about the CCC simply challenging what you have to admit are some pretty crazy-looking plans not to have some special interest in forcing this thing through.
DeleteIf the best you folks can do is Kranz's bizarre spluttering "How can the traffic get any worse?" and "I guarantee it won't back up north of La Costa," you've got some serious challenges explaining yourselves with any logic.
First, simple math: 50 cars in two lanes become 100 cars in one lane. Second; Kranz's "guarantee" is moot, as it already does back up north of La Costa. He is an embarrassment, but that's hardly a news flash.
As I said, you've got some serious issues to work out. As for the rest of us, we're glad to have the CCC backing up what residents have been telling the city: slow down, think, stop shoving this down our throats.
Slow down. Classic. This thing is been developed with Huge public and put for over 15 years. It’s time to get the coastal development permit and construct the project.
DeleteAw, stop your "public input" crap. Go READ the 2010 comments and you will see more against than for roundabouts; in fact, you will see written in the comments section repeatedly: "no roundabouts."
DeleteStop already.
What you're claiming as "public input" is on par with Kranz's claim of supposed input on the Specific Plans. It was then revealed that using a supermajority vote, the council ignored all the work and feedback from residents, then trotted out the council's plan as "what the people wanted."
2:38 PM
Delete"Sorry, I call bullshit. You sound too angry about the CCC simply challenging what you have to admit are some pretty crazy-looking plans not to have some special interest in forcing this thing through."
What's bullshit is you trying to put me in a group that you can then summarily dismiss. The Coastal Commission needs to consider what is best for all constituents, residents and visitors not just visitors. There has to be accommodations for both.
So what's the issue with the CCC forcing the city to cross all T's and dot all Is? It's impossible not to be suspicious of folks who tout the "nothing to see here, lots of public input, trust us, we're from the city, let's just do this" line.
DeleteThis going to be a major, permanent change. If the city has done its him work, you have nothing to fear. If it hasn't, wouldn't you rather know?
BS - there is a Huge support group of residents. Both west of 101 and especially east of 101 . that existing roadway is super dangerous. It’s a major liability for the city.
ReplyDeleteI am a resident and want a streetscape that is both a gateway and safe that serves the existing community not I-5 commuter traffic.
The principle mandate of the Coastal Commission is to maintain public access to the beach for ALL Californians. It's in the Coastal Act. There is no getting around it.
ReplyDeleteExactly. And the streetscape project not only maintains access to the coast line it improves it for all users.
DeleteCC staff's comments indicate that streetscape impedes access to the coastline.
DeleteSo. They need to be educated . They raise concerns. The city will address the concerns and show that to proposed improvements will actually improve access to their community and people accessing the coast .
DeleteWhether the city can address the concerns remains to be seen. I've heard far too many "answers" pulled out of rear ends over the years to believe any "analysis" our staff produces. They know what they want and they make their story fit.
DeleteHow many do you think were called into the office this weekend to cook up damage control?
Roy better be keeping the coffee coming. They've got their work cut out for them now - the CCC can't be ignored like residents! Time to start making up numbers and creating evidence.
DeleteCue council congratulating "staff" for how hard they work. You know it's coming.
DeleteHow hard they work at fucking up simple issues like an EIR.
DeleteHow does the rail trail figure into all this? Will bikes then be mostly off the road? Can someone east of the tracks even get to Leucadia with the tracks fenced off and only a few crossing? If only one lane then why not just have didcated turn outs for turning left instead of making everyone go through a roundabout? I like the comment about i5 commuters, it shouldn’t be built to be as an alternate route.
ReplyDeleteCouncil you have failed. Flat out failed.
ReplyDeleteCouncil failed at not holding Staff accountable. The City failed.
ReplyDelete4:32 - cyclists are put through the roundabouts. That is where safety is decreased. It is fact that motorists traveling through roundabouts are vulnerable to "seeing through" people on foot or bike as they look for circling cars. Anyone that states that this plan improves safety on the 101 is uninformed or spouting crap from their 5 minute Google "research"
ReplyDeleteShow your research to back your claims.
DeleteWe have PAID full-time staffers who talk our council into hiring over-paid consultants to float experimental ideas that we the taxpayers are stuck with. How many millions of dollars have we paid out for this Streetscape plan to date?
Delete11:35 - here you go:
Deletehttps://nacto.org/docs/usdg/nchrprpt672.pdf
Roundabouts reduce fatalities - because speeds are reduced as are t-bone type craches. However, there are more "less serious" accidents. Add in the cyclists and 5+ roundabouts and you're going to have a demolition derby.
If you have about 10 minutes and you want to understand facts over KLCC ignorance spew watch :
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhHzly_6lWM
Happy Easter!
Calm down, Charlie. Take your Ambien and your mixer of choice and go get some fresh air. You're getting weird over this.
DeleteExcellent video, 8:35, hope everyone watches it. (And it ain't Charley, no matter how much he'd agree with the comment. Voodoo blogging at its finest, but hey, what good are comments here without at least pulling that card once per thread?) For anyone with foresight, they have to realize that 1. The only future alternative to roundabouts aiding residents turning onto and off of the hwy would be the installation of yet more traditional dangerous intersections that have ready made 90 degree crashes built right into their design. That would suck. Can't we learn from our mistakes? 9000 people a year die at signaled intersections in the US, so you can imagine how many more cars were damaged and people were injured by these brilliant and prolific gauntlets. Wouldn't you think All of those 9000 dead would have preferred approaching a roundabout instead? I would. Intersections are a smart design on paper, but not for humans. We're fallible. Few intend to run a red light or stop sign but nearly every driver has. 2. We now have 20 side streets adjacent to N 101 that are ALL dangerous intersections and create many T-bone crashes every year. Sometimes deadly ones. I'm sick of it. 5 years back a man ran the stop sign at El Portal and totaled both of our cars. The same thing happed to me in the 70's when a woman coming off the freeway in Carlsbad didn't stop. 2 more cars toast. I was aslo a passenger in the 70's in Oceanside when a truck ran the red light at Mission and Hill st, sending us into the corner cafe. So it's really hard for me to comprehend anyone professing to do what's best for everyone (i.e. loving your neighbor etc.), to fight diligently against making travel better for everyone with simple steps like this that prevent calamity. Get woke.
DeleteJust because we don't agree with the proposed plan doesn't mean we are part of the KLCC. I think most people want a balanced approach that minimizes the round abouts and lane diets. Solana Beach is a great example of how they integrated corridor improvements, the rail trail, cars and bikes.
ReplyDeleteSolana Beaches streetscape is not that great. The roundabouts and round diet is what will make the roadway much safer and more efficient for all users. Maybe you need to watch the video?
ReplyDeleteSome people need to watch and hear things many times before it is recognized by their grey matter. Especially for the I hate change type and rather live with a deadly blight roadway with weeds than experience a safer nicer roadway.
for those afraid of change and not understanding roundabout and how to yield. Please watch how awesome the roundabouts on Coast Hwy 101 work
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGc5aHbMfb4.
Note to all - when turning at a roundabout intersection, use your blinkers like you would at any intersection. It helps the other drivers know your intentions and improves the flow of the intersection.
Funny! "...use your blinkers like you would at any intersection." Which is to say not at all.
DeleteI understand how to use roundabouts, am not afraid of change, and think this plan stinks to high heaven and reeks of insider dealing.
DeleteThe CCC letter says:
ReplyDelete“It would be particularly helpful if the City was able to provide some hypothetical scenarios and compare existing and post-project travel times (i.e. someone coming from an inland location and traveling to each of the City’s primary beaches).”
Our “primary beaches” are Moonlight, Swami’s, Cardiff Reef, Seaside, and South Ponto.
All should be relatively unaffected, as the logical routes to these beaches from inland locations don’t go through the Streetscape corridor, with the exception of Ponto via La Costa Ave. The travel time to Ponto should improve with the removal of the stoplight.
I would say a “primary” beach is defined by a dedicated parking lot and permanent restrooms.
DeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
Delete10:51 And good point about travel to Ponto being swifter without the mandatory stop light there now.
Delete10:51am. Give me a break. You completely ignored Stonesteps, Beacon, and Grandview where streetscape will hinder access.
ReplyDeleteMake it so miserable to try to go these beaches, is your solution? If this is allowed, the same will be for the businesses. We can become known for making the Leucadia 101 something to be avoided.
The minority percentage of cyclists will benefit. Those who have to rely upon cars through choice or necessity, not so much. Most of the pushers of this plan on their bikes live along the 101 corridor or close enough where a ride is easy. How may of them would feel the same if they lived on the other side of the hill?
Drivers are not going away, no matter how miserable the traffic becomes. Streetscape, in its current form, will only add to that condition and make it worse.
Delivery trucks to supply the businesses on the 101? Ha, not funny one iota.
Emergency response times on the 101? Ha, not funny one iota. Parking a fire truck down there is the solution and at what cost is that to man and maintain, all to try to overcome what this ill fated plan will bring with it?
What will they do when the CCC does what it should? The city and the pushers deserve to be called out. The only stakeholders that should be listened to may finally be heard by the CCC. They have not by our city, but will be by the CCC.
Any past public opinions have not been vetted, and actually have been ignored, and that was not the plan that is now being pushed. The supporters can claim all they want that they have the interests of our community behind them. They will never allow a poll to be taken or to have this go on the ballot where it deserves to go. No wonder. They know what the result would be.
Now the city is planning to finance the near $30 million needed for this plan? Outrageous, but true. None of them will be around to pay the piper.
10:56am A primary beach is defined by a parking lot and permanent bathrooms? Just where is that definition in the city statutes, or did you pull that out of your posterior?
Grandview, Beacon, Stone Steps must be below consideration as any of our primary beaches. These alternatives to the 'primary' beaches are not worth protecting access and egress? Maybe to you and a few of your kind. I treasure these same spots for not being primary designated, if there is even such a classification, which I doubt in the first place.
Try as they may, the majority of people will not be biking into the streetscaped area. If people can't park fairly close, they won't be walking it either. This is not Europe and never will be. The cost/benefit ratio seems very skewed to the "not worth it" side of the scale.
Delete12:04-
ReplyDeleteTotal BS.
You should’ve gone to the workshops to be educated . Your post shows you’re a total dumbass or a backward ass Newbe. Either way a complete dumbass .
12:04 - and your comments tell the reader what? That your a troll and total tool? Coleman? - don't you have anything worthwhile to do?
Delete12:04 ain't Coleman, he's a city leech in training and would never Cross daddy. The real trolls are 5:42 and 6:49, neither of whom learned basic grammar and both of whom are panicking at the prospect of all that lovely money possibly never materializing. And after all that time invested working with staff "behind the scenes," too.
DeleteSpeaking of working behind the scenes, one has to wonder how well Wisneski and her crew slept this weekend. I slept great.
So classic 10:10pm. Grammar grandma Beacon. Can’t help himself/ itself. Ha!!
DeleteIt's not Fiske, it's me. Plenty of people notice in your posts what appears to be either a severe lack of education or a severe addiction to the bottle and ? Or perhaps a combination of all three and then some.
DeleteTime to hang up the cane, dude. You make no sense and you're embarrassing yourself - again.
Right. and you sound so educated. Ha.
DeleteThe reason my posts have mistakes is because my posts take about 3 seconds to write or some times I just Siri them. I bet your take 10 minutes to write after your proofing, editing, etc.
In my opinion, a blog post doesn't need to be grammar perfect and have every word spelled correctly. Its only a blog. So if you don't like my posts, don't read them.
I know I take many posts for what they are- a total waste of my time. Examples would be yours, all of the KLCC like Beacon man, Crazy Eyes, Lword, and fire stroke dude. I guess my question to you is besides these pathetically vocal whiners are there any more to the KLCC or did some "move on"?
Its the same old "if I have nothing intelligent to add, I will just attack the grammar". What a total grammar grandma. Just like Idaho Beacon BS
Delete6:48 = Charlie Marvin, aka Marvy Charles. For those who don't know, he's got a financial stake in streetscam, so his "let's get this built now!" exhortations are purely money-driven.
DeleteHis fixation with certain lady activists is weird, but then again, so is he.
Misspelled words are one thing, making no sense because you can't be bothered to sound intelligible is another.
DeleteYou are lazy and sloppy. Do you by any chance work for the city?
F-off KLCC. You suck and are close to dead anyway. Each of you look and smell like death.
DeleteOoh someone took an extra dose of ? Marvy got his nerve struck hard.
DeleteHoping Coleman wears the red nose and squirting carnation with his green suit and sockless pennyloafers next meeting. That how one keeps it crappy
ReplyDeleteAren't you biting the hand that feeds you favors by dissing papa Scott Vurbeff's kid? Scott is the developer's best friend when it comes to skirting environmental concerns! But you knew that!
DeleteBetter be careful!
Yeah Vurbeff will cut you off charlie
DeleteHi y'all. I was at the workshops and supported the streetscape at the time. With the freeway expansion plans, which would put our freeways under repair for decades, I now have concerns about people would be using 101 and ECR. I'm not necessarily opposed to the 101 streetscape, but certainly more concerned than I was in 2010-2012. Plus I've heard that the EIR was flawed and didn't have adequate traffic analysis.
ReplyDelete9:48, the first phase (Encinitas) for freeway expansion is expected to be complete by 2021.
DeleteFor a city management team and council that focuses on "process" more than the project outcome, this is a.... oh wait. Never mind.
ReplyDeleteTheir process seems to be fuck thing up as much as possible and let’s others pay the costs for their fuckup. How long will this go on?
DeleteI have no problem with the CCC asking for clarification. They are just doing their job.
ReplyDeleteI expect the city will respond, and the project will move forward.
People reading this as a rebuke or project denial are engaged in wishful thinking.
Nothing to see here. Just a normal part of the path to progress.
Perhaps, but they didn't like the road striping of 2013, and asked the city to fix it back. The city dismissed that. That is certainly not a normal part of a process. Your confidence may be misplaced.
DeletePart of the normal process? You must be kidding or spinning. All the clarifications and corrections the CCC staff is asking for should have been take care of a long time ago. After all the council approved the plan.
DeleteThe city has been negligent. This rebuke by the CCC staff is a hard slap on the city's hand.
10:27 exemplifies the council's attitude. Ask any of the four who approved this plan and they will breezily dismiss the CCC staff letter as no problem at all.
DeleteNo doubt "staff" has assured the council they can make this go away.
Highway 101 is a truck route. The council is mixing big rigs with bicyclists.
ReplyDeleteWake up and turn in your keys .
DeleteThere are already tons of bicyclists and trucks on that road way . The fact is there is not adequate infrastructure for all of the users
Vehicles will queue back to La Costa as they do today and even further with the loss of one lane. Cyclists are in for some morning road rage fighting for shared space with vehicles and trucks stopped in the roundabouts. Should be interesting.
DeleteEncinitas Advocate headline -
ReplyDeleteEncinitas may borrow close to $30 million for Coast Highway project
The council wants to go into debt for the streetscape.
Good. If they waste $5 billion on a lifeguard tower they can easily spend $30 million to make a major Main Street safe for its citizens and visitors .
ReplyDeleteCorrection 5 million. It just seem like 5 billion for what they received
Delete$30M for something only the financially interested and L-101 Kool-Aid drinkers want? Pass!
DeleteRecall the council including the pseudo mayor.
DeleteOh, you mean the little dictator?
DeletePosting here so folks will actually see it:
ReplyDeleteHighway 101 is a designated truck route in the city's municipal code. The six roundabouts must be large enough for big rigs to completely rotate around to the opposite direction. The streetscape plans don't consider this requirement. Send this 101 plan back to the drawing board to include big rigs as part of the traffic on 101.
Roundabout aprons are designed to allow large trucks to drive over them. The designated truck route issue is a red herring.
DeleteNot a red herring. A traffic-blocking, cyclist-threatening reality.
DeleteVulcan is planned to be the truck route after the roundabouts are built.
ReplyDeleteBS- existing roadway can’t do that. Nor is it required .
ReplyDelete2015 Wisconsin Act 139 requires drivers at roundabouts to yield right-of-way to trucks and other large vehicles (and combinations of vehicles, such as trucks towing boats or RVs towing cars) measuring at least 40 feet long or 10 feet wide. Motorists are required to give space to larger vehicles when approaching and driving through roundabouts.
ReplyDeleteThese are one lane roundabouts.
DeleteIrrelevant.
DeleteJust back from trips to Bird Rock and Europe.
ReplyDeleteI bring great news!
Lots of trucks.
Lots of roundabouts.
No problems!
Thanks for the irrelevant comparison and update on how you spent your morning, Tony.
DeleteI just came back from Australia and traveled around one lane roundabouts with a lot of trucks .
DeleteI also see the trucks going through Leucadia Boulevard many times a day . Ha. I guess it’s really not an issue
I see hundreds of trucks going through the roundabout on Highway 101 between Carlsbad and Oceanside
DeleteYou're gonna have an awesome time negotiating mini roundabouts with trucks driving on top of them and cyclists weaving in and out and reverse parallel parkers fighting for their right to party. It's gonna be awesome! Oh, and let's not forget the delivery trucks that already block the entire right-hand lane of traffic going south. They're not moving anytime soon.
DeleteBut, wait. According to Tony, people will get stuck in traffic once and figure out the freeway is the best place to stay and all will be well. And Tasha promises all manner of monitoring that will never happen. And Fred Caldwell believes that an angry, late, increasingly irritated driver is going to want to stop and shop. I know that's what I want to do when I'm hopping mad. Geez.
A7:28 and others that see trucks using roundabouts. So what. I see bikes on regular roads. All the time. They ride in groups that block the roads.
DeleteWhat is really the issue is constricting the only north south roadway connecting north county to central SD. I'm sorry you don't see that as an issue, but it doesn't matter. The CCC does.
If you recall, the CCC also took control over the freeway and CRT despite local objection. So good luck over-confident cyclists!
I suggest more parking to improve coastal access and nicer landscaping to improve the coastal appearance. Leave the lanes as they are.
Same ol KLCC blabbering comment.
ReplyDeleteBig rigs need room to rotate around the mini roundabouts.
ReplyDeleteSend this streetscape 101 plan back to the engineer to enlarge the roundabouts for the big rigs. Council can then add more imminent domain private property takings to the current ones in the plan.
As a cyclist, I can say that my experience with the 101 roundabout between Carlsbad and Oceanside is that it is super dangerous. Cars race to beat cyclists into the circle, cars do not hold their line, and if a car is circling, everything grinds to a stop, exposing the cyclist to being run over from behind. These roundabouts are a serious safety risk for cyclists.
ReplyDeleteWould the rail trail not be a better alternative to the street?
DeleteAs a cyclist I can say that the roundabouts on Leucadia Boulevard are exceptionally safe for bicyclists. It’s the traffic signals were the bicycle and get super sketchy.
ReplyDeleteI’ve written through the roundabouts in Bird rock and they work excellent as well. So I’m not sure why you’re having difficulty with the roundabout on Carlsbad Boulevard. maybe you’re not familiar with taking the lane ?
You should probably think about taking a safe ride in class and remember to use your blinkers when traveling for a roundabout and turning .
Traffic signals get "sketchy" because cyclists too often think the rules of the road don't apply to them. I've seen more cyclists blow through four-way stops and red lights than not.
DeleteI had a lady turn left in front of me because she didn’t notice a bicycle or didn’t acknowledge a rider with right of way.
DeleteI hit her passenger side door. My arms went through the door window glass while my body went onto the roof. My bike was pulled into the air by the pedal clips before releasing. The bike came down on her windshield and hood. Forward momentum of the car caused my unconscious body to roll off her trunk and onto the pavement where several cars very nearly ran me over (so I was told).
A minute later I awoke in complete shock, and tried to retrieve my bike and continue riding, even though the wheels were smashed, the frame was bent, and the fork was severed.
Good Samaritans had the sense to dial 911 and insist I sit down. Turns out I had a serious concussion and both arms were broken. It could have been much worse, as I didn’t have a helmet on.
This was in high school, and not in Encinitas, but the same thing could easily happen here. It’s not possible for that accident to happen with the same closing speed and force at a roundabout.
I wear a helmet now, and I support roundabouts.
Better be careful about your right of way rights when a huge truck and you are jockeying for position as you both try squeezing through your beloved roundabout, son.
Delete1:24 - I appreciate your effort to make safety / navigating roundabouts my problem. So very generous of you.
ReplyDeleteI do wonder what you mean by "exceptionally safe" - are you saying that riding a bike in that roundabout on Leucadia blvd. is safer than riding somewhere else? Like where? The 5?
I’m also a cyclist, and can say definitively that roundabouts are very safe, because cars and bikes travel the same speed through them.
ReplyDeleteThe scientific studies show clear statistical evidence that roundabouts are safer for pedestrians, cyclists, and car drivers.
Fewer deaths good; more deaths bad.
Some people just like more death, I guess.
The latest trend in road bicycles is the reclining bike which puts the bicyclist about one foot off the pavement. More of those bikes are on the road and create a visibility hazard for cars and big rigs.
ReplyDeleteRecumbent bikes are not new, and they work better for riders with back problems.
DeleteThe really low ones are driven by a hand crank and are for people paralyzed from the waist down. Many of these folks you see on the 101 are former military heroes who were wounded by IED blasts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Many of these heroes are here being outfitted and trained by the Challenged Athletes Foundation, one of the finest non-profits based in San Diego.
And yes, you should feel like a complete ass for suggesting that these heroes are a political pawn, and an inconvenience to you as a lazy ass motorist.
As a big rig driver, I can say that I prefer driving over the recumbent bikes and disabled vets as there is clearance... especially in the roundabouts... it is the traditional cyclists that are so annoying. With their shaved everything and sparkly spandex, it will definitely be hard as I drive my big rig round and round through the 101. I expect that I'll need to make some "deliveries" on Neptune. I give a big 10-4 to Streetscape! I get paid by the hour.
ReplyDeleteSomeday there will be a hack that exposes you as the author of this.
DeleteI hope it was worth it.
Oh, please. You can say that about most of the posters here.
DeleteThe list of council members and city staff posts are the ones I'd be interested in seeing.
Just so we’re clear, people who oppose Streetscape think killing hero vets is funny. People who support Streetscape value human life.
DeleteWhoa now 4:47 - You're painting with a big 'ol brush. I've driven truck for many years as my full bingo card will attest. I also own a big flag. We can surely get along here as I like that Streetscape will be cutting down those ancient Eucalyptus trees and replacing them with 1000s of 4" plants. I'll just roll my 18 wheels over them puny roundabouts and even punier 4" plants. Just try to do that with one of those eucalyptus trees! Believe-you-me - I am a supporter of this Streetscape project. The only complaint that I have is that the city and Streetscape merchants are saying that if I plan to shortcut on Neptune or Vulcan - which I will surely do - I must replace my air horn with one of those old-timey a-roooo-gah horns. I guess that we all must make sacrifices to advance this Streetscape project.
Delete4:47, is your business by any chance called "Mountains Out of Molehills," or perhaps "Can't Recognize Sarcasm or Satire?"
DeleteWhere is your businesss located, so I can avoid it?
You're the only one who "understands" what you think we're talking about. Lol.
Satire about killing vets.
DeleteNice people on your side of the debate.
Not a club most people want to join.
Now hold on there little feller (7:01) - are you just another recumbent bike hater? Why do you not step up to defend the welfare of folks that like to recline while exercising? Is it that Streetscape supporters have zero care for those with back problems? Methinks that support for Streetscape is a vote against those that have any type of chronic pain. If you support Streetscape, you may as well be stomping on the lower back of anyone with back problems. Is that what you want to do? You Streetscape supporters are despicable.
DeleteHear hear, 7:46. Such disregard for those suffering ailments for which the only relief is a recumbent bicycle! How are these people to get to work and do their shopping? Such a cavalier display discrimination on the part of 7:01. A hard heart beats there and in all Streetscape supporters, to be sure.
DeleteGood. Because your comments show your worth nothing more. I'm impressed you figured out how to even post. KLCC sometimes amazes me. Like how they even get through the day. Impressive.
ReplyDelete8:01 - I need a lot to drop my trailer - you live in Carlsbad - right? There is more space up there - right? I tried parking on Neptune last night and some lady with a dual baby stroller bitched when I released my air brakes. Neptune is a truck route - right?
ReplyDeleteWow- you can type and use the internet. Good job 8:13 pm. Keep on learning.
Delete6:10
ReplyDelete10-4 little buddy
The city must still plan for the big rigs that will use the mini roundabouts. That includes engineering the diameters of the mini roundabouts wide enough to accommodate the turning radius of a big rig - 65 feet in length. Back to the drawing board, city planners.
ReplyDeleteThat’s what the paver apron and soft edge curb is for.
DeleteAlready done.
Build it.
The dinky mini roundabouts are too small for big rigs.
ReplyDeleteHi All. I was just told there was a serious T-bone crash at Grandview and N 101 this morning. Any other information would be appreciated.
ReplyDeleteAfter Brenda Wisneski swung into action on the housing element and on the Leucadia streetscape scheme it seems like time to request that she be employed elsewhere. Will hatchet woman Karen Brust do the deed?
ReplyDelete8:39am. Same old, same old.
ReplyDeleteYou should direct your ire to the body that is solely responsible.
Council.
You know this, and no matter how many times we repeat, you persist.
It is council, not the city manager who rules the day.
Our only avenue is to vote them all out, notwithstanding a lone shallow transparent election year vote. They all should go.
That would demand citizens willing to step into this pile of ........... Such a dirty business requires a special kind willing to give their all.
8:09pm. Nice try Freddie boy, sort of.
ReplyDeletePerhaps this t-bone, if it did happen, might have been mitigated somewhat by a roundabout at Grandview.
The amount of frustration by drivers will not lessen, as they crawl through five roundabouts spreading exhaust throughout the corridor, like nothing seen yet.
Get ready to breath in deep what you have wrought, unless the CCC does what it should and send this back for the revision they supported years ago, four lanes throughout the corridor.
You want this to happen? There is a way. Listen to what the CCC approved of in the past. You could have so many more in favor and supporting a modified plan that was not so stupid.
You want to encourage drivers to stop and shop? There is a way. Four lanes.
You want the CCC to approve a plan? There is a way. Four lanes.
Slow down the speed limit even more than 35mph to 30mph. Fine.
Any speed limit reduction will not help with five roundabouts in a row slowing things down to a crawl. Any posted speed limit won't mean a thing when the crawl is backed up to La Costa and beyond.
Drivers may choose other roads like Vulcan and Neptune. You and the other businesses will find out how much your bottom line has benefitted from this ill conceived plan that has morphed into what it is now. Drivers will want nothing to do with any of you, as they try to find an alternative to the Coast Highway.
The term Coast Highway will become extinct. What will you call it then? Your own personal street?
Hey streetscape pushers, how about some signs and cams along the corridor telling speeders to smile, you are on camera? I have seen those elsewhere and they seemed to be effective.
ReplyDeletePerhaps these signs could light up for anyone going over 30mph. click, click, you are busted. Maybe cams would not even be needed, just the threat that there might be. It couldn't hurt, either way.
Was this ever proposed by the so-called stakeholders? If not, it should have been.
Highway 101 is a truck route. The EIR and the city staff reports ignored this fact.
ReplyDelete3:32 PM, speed enforcement cameras are not legal.
ReplyDeleteAnd the city has no money for them, anyway. Doesn't stop Tasha from promising the moon.
Delete9:41am. Thanks for the info. I was referring to speed monitors more than redlight type cams that issue citations, and should have been specific.
ReplyDeleteI also should have left out the smile, you are busted comment.
There are cams that observe drivers behaviors at most intersections around here and that was more of what I was thinking about. Police use these to track some drivers bad behavior, like tracking hit and runs and speeding from intersection to intersection.
Well, it was just a thought. The speed monitors do help drivers to slow down and could work on the 101.
6:27 - Apparently, the City of Encinitas does not have the money to pay for server space to save emails longer than 30 days. There is no way they will have the server space to track a motorist through the 5-6 roundabouts. That is going to be a long video. The good news is that when cars are moving at 5 miles per hour, safety is improved and that, of course, is a what Streetscape wants to accomplish! Improved safety - on the 101. God help the moms with baby strollers on Neptune. But I digress - this project is all about helping a couple crusty merchants on the 101 - is that correct?
ReplyDeleteThat is correct!
DeleteAnd heaven help anyone needing emergency services west of the 101. Better get your final wishes in order. It'll make things ever so much easier on those you leave behind.