Lease revenue bonds are Encinitas' favored method of financing unpopular purchases and projects. This way the City avoids the public vote that would otherwise be required if floating a General Obligation bond.
Lease revenue bonds should have a revenue
source to repay the bond. Here is Pacific View school's revenue collected to date since its $10M purchase in 2014: $150, or $30 per year. Because the City can't repay the $10M with $150, it quietly raids other taxpayer-funded accounts.
Now the City plans to partially fund Streetscape with $22M in lease revenue bonds, again in order to avoid a public vote. And as with the school, the City once again has no identified revenue source to repay the bond. What accounts will be raided this time?
Agree with you in Pacific View. That property should be built out as a new city hall and arts center with underground parking.
ReplyDeleteThe City should hold a design competition/bid process for the Vulcan property to fund construction. The city can set parameters for the design competition and bids (e.g. must include underground public parking for the train station and downtown; must include ocean view public access plaza; must not block library view, etc).
But Streetscape is different. The obvious revenue source is sales taxes. When they did the southern part of Streetscape, business flourished. The increase in sales tax easily paid for it.
You sound like a staff member who craves an oceanview office.
DeleteYou sound like someone who doesn't know that the current City Hall has an ocean view.
DeleteDon't see where the original poster talked about building out a new city hall and arts center, although the suggestion was made over on EV. Perhaps 1:28 confused the two sites.
DeleteThe city uses lease revenue bonds without forecasting associated revenue streams. PV was pushed through by Teresa n' Tony without any idea as to how they were going to repay the loan. They didn't care, they just wanted to avoid a public vote.
Same deal with Streetscape: the city claims that "sales taxes" will create the revenue. The city won't (more likely can't) show us the math, as their aim is to avoid a public vote. Blakespear knows all too well how that would turn out.
1:28 What's with you people and this "arts center"?????
DeleteJust stop with the "arts center", this is what you think about? Gawd…...just stow it !!!!
Support for the arts is a sign of civilization.
DeleteWhere were the arts people in 2014 when they were supposed to hit the ground running to generate income and pay back the loan? remember the night they packed city hall and promised the moon and yelled with joy when Kranz and Barth had their finest moment and pushed approval thru???
DeleteThey didn’t follow through. That’s why I suggest selling another city owned property.
DeleteIt basically unwinds the liability.
Before PV, the city owned one property downtown. If they sell Vulcan to find construction at PV, the city will again own just one parcel downtown. It’s close to a return to the status quo, because the implied promise of revenue to pay the bond never materialized.
The city is contractually bound not to sell PV, but no such restriction exists on Vulcan.
who are you? if by "vulcan," you mean city hall???
Deleteare you the same one proposing a massive underground parking structure under a city hall conversion to high-density housing? guess this is meant to head off complaints of parking issues when you push to upzone all of downtown.
are you even remotely interested in how such financial negligence occurred on pv and who might remain at the city to try this scheme out again on streetscape? if not, why not???
blakepear endorses this type of bond for streetscape, so are you already working with her to spin how to "unwind the liability" if and when supposed increased sales taxes fail to materialize?? puh-leeezze....
1:28 PM
ReplyDeleteHave you been downtown lately? Filthy 101 sidewalks, peeling paint on the light posts, and occasional vomit where you walk. The parking spaces are eroded to giant holes by dripping oil. The city didn't finish the southern half of downtown Encinitas because of the problems encountered with construction of the first part that was from Encinitas Blvd to what is now F street. At a cost of about $3 million, the downtown changes weren't what you would call a success. Sixteen years later than 2003 the downtown has had a steady decline to bars and more bars. Downtown is the epitome of Bars Galore in a downtown area.
The city hall ocean view belongs to the people of Encinitas. It's not for sale or development.
Pacific View cannot have underground parking. It is too close to the bluffs.
DeleteSure it can.
DeleteLook two blocks south on Sealane Dr. There are several condo buildings with underground parking closer to the bluff than PV. They've been there for decades. No problems.
Streetscape won't increase sales tax revenues in Leucadia because it will kill businesses by gridlocking traffic and failing to provide enough parking.
ReplyDeleteIf you are correct, then you can relax.
DeleteIf prospective bond buyers agree, then they won't buy the bonds, and the project won't be funded.
Simple as that.
If they do buy the bonds, then you are probably wrong.
Aw come on, 10:09. You know better and so do we!! The city always finds willing buyers who fall for the spin...like they did for Pacific View. It'll be the same for streetscape and the city will claim another victory for putting another one over on the residents.
DeleteMaybe Tony can explain how it works since he was such a genius putting together the Pacific View deal.
10:09 How would prospective bond buyers know? People buy municipal bonds because they're virtually guaranteed to be paid. Streetscape won't increase sales, property or TOT revenue, but the city will pay off the bonds anyway.
ReplyDeleteIt’s their job to do due diligence on their investments.
DeleteThey have methods to correlate revenue flows and quantify default risk among projects structured similarly in the past.
Their job is to work with cities to get 'er done. All an investment consultant cares about is the likelihood of a bond being repaid. In the case of lease rev bonds, they are backed by the municipality and don't depend on the claimed project-related revenue.
DeleteIf told upfront that $30/year would be the expected project-specific income for the first five years, the consultant still wouldn't care. The due diligence is satisfied because the city itself guarantees the loan will be repaid. The consulting investment firm doesn't care what accounts are raided to pay off the bond, just that the accounts are there to be used.
Surely you know this, 10:34.
The default rate on investment grade muni bonds is very low. Cities virtually guarantee the bonds will be paid.
Delete"In the 42-year period ended with 2011, 100% of Aaa-rated municipal bonds delivered all of the expected interest and principal payments to investors, while 99.9% of Aa-rated bonds did so. (Aaa is the highest possible rating; Aa is the second highest). Overall, only 0.8% of muni bonds rated investment grade defaulted within ten years of issuance."
Sorry, but that’s wrong. The only asset securing the loan is the defined revenue source.
DeleteAny decision to repay from other sources is optional on the part of the city. Of course, if the city defaults on the loan it will destroy their credit rating and the ability to borrow for years, but there is no legal obligation to use other assets, and the city can not be sued by creditors for anything other than the defined revenue in the prospectus.
sounds like the "option" is not an option.....
DeleteThis repayment from others sources was surely known before the purchase was made. In this case, Pacific View School should have gone to a vote of the people.
DeleteAs usual on this forum, we have people like 10:34 who don't know the subject they're posting about.
ReplyDeleteIf you go over to Encinitas Votes 2 CPRA requests for this site were just posted. If not a member, just ask.
ReplyDeleteIt's a closed group. If you're not a member, you can't even read it let alone post.
ReplyDeleteThe group was just opened to everyone. You don't need to be a member anymore.
ReplyDeleteOnly members can post.
DeleteLease revenue bonds are the right call. The improvements will spike sales tax just like they did in downtown after the streetscape and just like it did in Birdrock and all the other streetscapes that have been completed on mainstreets.
ReplyDeleteThe statistics prove this time and time again. But- KLCC doesn't live in the real world. Only gloom and fiction. I think someone needs to write another fictional book or try and change the name of another beach. Its Swami Beach not Swamis Right?! Ha.
still not seeing any pro formas come out of the city so excuse us if we don't take your word for the coming "spike," Marvy.
Delete11:26 Your mind is made up. Don't let anybody confuse you with the facts.
ReplyDeleteAnimal poop spreads E.coli at San Diego Fair - one child dies.
ReplyDeleteUsually it's the food....
DeleteI just sent this CPRA request to City Hall. Maybe we can get some definitive answers. My latest CPRA request regarding Pacific View. I just sent it. City Hall has 10 working days to respond:
ReplyDeleteDear Claudia:
Pursuant to the California Pubic Records Act, I request the following information:
1) Is the City of Encinitas considering moving the Encinitas City Hall to the Pacific View Property? If this is even a remote possibility, please provide the city council meeting date(s) where this was discussed. If this is being considered, and has not been heard at a City Council meeting, please provide any and all communications from the city, developers, stakeholders, Peder Norby, or any other person, or entity, where this has been discussed.
2) Is the City of Encinitas considering using the current City Hall, on Vulcan for housing? If the answer is yes, please provide all data, including emails, letters, documents, and any other communications regarding this possibility. If the answer is no, please provide written documentation that, in fact, it is not being considered.
3) If moving City Hall to the Pacific View property, and making the land at City Hall available for housing, is being considered, please provide any and all documentation as to where this has been seriously suggested, who has spoken about it, who are the main stakeholders, what is the timetable, who would make the decision, and would it be consistent with the current use of the Lease Revenue Bond that is already in place for this property? Please provide documentation for all of the information I am seeking.
As always, thank you for getting back to me in a timely manner. It is always appreciated.
Good move, 11:36.
DeleteIs that Lorri Greene, the Mother Hen of Encinitas Votes posting here on EU? Her rules on EV are so many and so restrictive as to make posts there unrealistic. Everything has to be sweet and hunky dory. She regularly serves milk & cookies, condemns EU and labels people who post here cynics and purveyors of negativity.
So unless somebody else copied and pasted from EV, why is she posting here?
Can't answer for her except to say that yes, she does have some rules of conduct. Believe it or not, it's easy to make your point without name calling - if your point is valid.
DeleteAnyone who knows her can vouch that she doesn't condemn EU, doesn't label us cynics, and doesn't think we're purveyors of negativity. That she is bravely demanding answers from the city should prove where she stands. Milk & cookies she ain't.
I'd say "nice try" on attempting to marginalize and neutralize her, 4:54, except it wasn't. You get points off for a very clumsy effort.
5:07 You don't read EV or post there. If you do, you're dishonest.
DeleteOh my, Jerome is posting here. He hates Lori Green and will say and do most anything to trash her. I have no idea if she is the one who posted the request, but if she did I say good for her. It's about time the City answers for their actions. When you purchase something with a lease revenue bond, you should have revenue coming in to pay for it. So far, according to another CPRA request Lori did on P.V. the city has collected $150.00 in the last 5 years for this site. It has cost the taxpayers about $70,000 that was not a part of the 10 million Lease Revenue Bond. I am a member of Encinitas Votes and I have never read a post by her that she has never condemned EU. In fact, she often posts things from EU. Both she and W.C. sometimes trade articles. The original post came from her CPRA request to the City. So, Stocks, or whoever you are, why don't you go over to EV and post what you think of it. Oh, that's right, you can't because they don't let you post anything anonymously.
Delete5:07 Pot calling the kettle black much?
ReplyDelete5:43 Jerome Stocks called for decorum at council meetings. Rich coming from him. Plus, you're off point.
who cares about Green and all her drama. next.
ReplyDelete7:04- I guess someone cares, as every once in a while something nasty is posted about her on this site. SO, let's get to the bottom of it. What has she done to make some people dislike her?
DeleteOuted city council crap and city worker lies. That's the bottom, bub.
DeleteMother Hen sez:
ReplyDeleteEvery once in a while I pop over to the blog Encinitas Undercover. I did that today and was disappointed to see such hatred about flying the PRIDE flag at City Hall. I can't help but ask the question, WHY? Who does it hurt? Anyone understand this?
Now, now, boys and girls, play nice:
Members: Some of you are getting pretty nasty. Calling people trolls, agism, are just two of the things I think the people who are posting could be more respectful about. I am a senior citizen, so I don't appreciate the agism idea, and one member thought he was being disrespected by another member. I am not a baby sitter. Please respect everyone's point of view, and respect the site.
RULES OF ENGAGEMENT-PLEASE REVIEW. THANKS.
It would appear as if the campaign season, at least for County Supervisor, is in full swing. So, I would ask all of you to be respectful of the candidates, post factual information, no shaming, and please keep it civil. This site will be getting harder to moderate, and I need your help. As we get closer to finding out who will be running for Mayor, and city council, things may get more heated. So, let me go over the rules for this site. Meet and greets are acceptable to post as long as there is no fee to get in. Debates are acceptable to post. Any campaign fundraiser is not acceptable and will be removed as soon as I see it. Also, no federal candidates posts on this site. Lastly, this site will not tolerate bullying, shaming, or intimidation of other members. If someone posts, or comments on something, and it is considered bullying, or shaming, I will message you a warning. If it occurs a second time, I will delete you from this group. Even I know that I sound dictatorial, and I hate it. However, it seems necessary to keep this site as a place where we can talk constructively with one another. Of course if you have an opinion about, for example, the Cardiff Rail Trail, you are more than welcome to express your opinion. You may get others that disagree with you, but as long as everyone is respectful to one another, I will not delete the posts. Thank you for being a member of Encinitas Votes.
A word about meet and greets. They are allowed on this site, HOWEVER, if there is a charge, they are NOT allowed. I am allowing the two that are here right now, in the spirit of fairness to the candidates. But from now on, if there is even a suggested donation, I will delete them. Hope that clarifies Encinitas Votes position on this. If you don't like this policy, let me know why.
Ummm ok. What's your point, 7:18? Back to this question: can you make your argument without name calling? Sounds like not, so oops you're exposed. Why worry about what goes on over on EV, say what you have to say here.
ReplyDeleteBack to the point of this thread: how do those who approved lease revenue bonds for PV explain themselves?? Did you fine folks know in advance there was no revenue? You just wanted voters out of the way, or wot?
What say you, Phony T? Your name is on PV and Streetscape both. You were front and center in all those nauseating photo ops over PV. You looking to relive those imagined glory days through Streetscape? Or is it something else making you push so weirdly hard for it? Inquiring minds want to know....
11:21 The original point that you conveniently missed: Since Mother Hen regularly demeans EU, and since she has her own forum on which she imposes onerous restrictions that inhibit free speech, why does she visit and post on EU?
Deletehaha 10:20, she posts here rarely, but under her own name. why don't you do the same? If WC doesn't have a problem with EV, what's your beef?? your sadly transparent attempts to diminish the visibility EV and EU both put on city shenanigans ain't working, dood.
Delete11:18 Your pathetic efforts to avoid the point aren't working. If you're so bold in your self-righteousness, why do you post anonymously? You are sadly mistaken that you'll change city actions by being polite.
Deleteon that last sentence we agree, 11:37.
DeleteThe streetscape is supported by the masses in Encinitas as shown time and time again through all the facts and data.
ReplyDeleteThe brain dead KLCC are the 2% that will never understand logic.
Lease revenue bonds are perfect for the project. Major sales tax, property tax, and TOT increases result from the Streetscape. Plus a most safer more enjoyable destination street for all.
City - Don't worry about the 2% KLCC. Build it. You already have an outstanding liability to Roberta and others well over $10 million. Don't be at fault for making that debt even grow higher. Build it now. In fact, when is the groundbreaking anyway?
8:25 has nothing except his own Marvy greed to support the claim that the masses support streetscam. if this were true, he and KranzSpear wouldn't fear a public vote like they do.
Deletethe Walker liability prize goes to blakespear, who had to publicly foam at the mouth about how unsafe our streets are, providing fodder for Walker's attorney. did she learn nothing from her years playing lawyer???
And another reason StreetScape is a bad idea: city taking half a mil from the open space fund to help pay for it:
ReplyDeletehttps://encinitascurrent.com/city-council-eliminates-open-space-opportunities/
Fakespear out of control.
8:25 is 100% wrong.
ReplyDeleteThis is Lorri Greene. Just a quick FYI. The post W.C. has posted about Pacific View came from me. He is also a member of Encinitas Votes, so I guess he or she is in the position to know what is going on on the FB page, that I happen to moderate. So far I have 2 CPRA requests on PV and one that will be coming. Since the group is open, I have posted them on that site. You don't have to join to see the requests and what the city says. I really don't understand why there is still such dislike of me personally by a few people, but I take it as a compliment, and am amused. I have no power in this city. I'm not running for anything. All I do is post articles I think are relevant to Encintas and attempt to moderate the site. So fire away at me, if you truly think I am such a threat to your well being.
ReplyDeleteGood lord, Lorri Greene, you’re not a threat to anybody’s well being.
DeleteYou restrict the membership of your Facebook page, then you restrict what members can say and how they say it. Only content you approve of stays up. It’s a form of dictatorship. You restrict free speech.
The only content W. c. takes down are posts by a Nazi, which is the right thing to do.
A few weeks ago, you chastised Jeremy Blakespear and banned him from your page because you didn’t like his content or that he used the word “bullshit.” He offended your oh-so-delicate ears.
More recently, one of your members went on and on about the illegitimacy of climate change. The evidence of climate change is abundant and overwhelming. Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists support it. As anybody with a brain knows, your member is grossly wrong. So what did you do? You told him to LET IT GO!, yes, in all caps. Let your members disagree with and condemn the guy’s views. You need to back off.
You don’t understand what it is to moderate a public forum. Your head is in the clouds, you don’t live in the real world. Your forum cannot be just what you want it to be. That contradicts the meaning and purpose of a forum.
And you sound way too disturbed over someone else's business. Don't like the Encinitas Votes page? Start your own. Otherwise, shaddup. You're boring.
DeleteWake up, dolt! Scott Chadwick is the troll.
DeletePrediction: currently Pacific View isn't zoned for an arts center, so 5 years from now, the city WILL change the zoning, only the "arts center" will have a brand new city hall surrounding it, and council can then strut and tell us "steak holders" how much they love us by providing a 20 x 20 Sq. ft. gallery. Juried, of course.
ReplyDelete12:26 The PV zoning is Public/Semi-Public, as is the current City Hall site. No zoning change would be needed to put a public building there. Changing the zoning to residential would invoke Prop A and most likely be defeated by the voters.
ReplyDeleteA residential developer buying the property was contingent upon the zoning change, which was near-guaranteed not to happen. That's why the city bought it in the first place. That wasn't a bad idea, but the city paid almost double the average of the appraised values. Once the bonds are paid, the city will have approx doubled the price again.
The advocacy and execution were by Kranz and Vina. Kranz still maintains it was a good move. Few agree.
And Kranz blamed Vina for not making a counter offer to the school district in time to be valid. The city then ended up paying too high a price to keep it out of the hands of a developer. Will the city sell the property after ten years? A very real possibility.
DeleteHave you seen all the people at the beaches recently? It will be crazy on the 4th of July. As population increases, per capita open space keep going down.
Leucadia:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dat_8O8MuaE
Thank you Dr. Lorrie for opening the Encinitas Votes back to the public. I have missed being able to read it daily.
ReplyDeleteBeing averse to having anything to do with Facebook, I enjoy the opportunity to read the posts, even I cannot contribute.
By the way, I seriously doubt that Jerome has been posting anything, that is, unless he now employs an editor. We all know he suffers from a lack of language capabilities to post intelligently on his own.
Thank you Dr Lorrie for opening your site back to the public. You were missed.
If Blakespear gets her way and invalidates Prop A altogether, the lid will be off on development of both properties to any zoning (along with the rest of the city). Developers will decide the "best use" of the sites and a certain attorney will be on hand to push it all through.
ReplyDeleteI happen to be a friend of Lorri Greene. And you know what. She has probably been to more CIty Council meetings, spoken before the Council, exposed Glen Sabine, and been invlved in our city, than most of you sitting anonymously behind your screen and posting anonymously. I would post my name but unlike Lorri I don't have as thick of a skin as she does. Most of you already know the Jerome story, and whoever posted saying it was Jerome could be right. I guess W.c. could find out by checking the IP address on the person who wrote the unkind things about Lorri. For God's sake, she lived here before we incorporated, helped with incorporation, has hounded city council's for years on certain projects. She was once called by a former City Manager one of the "Gang of 28". This meant 28 people kept, and still keep, trying to keep the city from spinning their lies and half truths. The latest 3 requests for Pacific View came from her. And poor Robert Nichols, of the Surfing Madonnas Ocean project, is feeling kind of duped, as his organization has spent $70,000 to date and still cannot get the city to allow them to finish work on Pacific View. That is all posted on Encinitas Votes, a FB group that Lorri has been moderating for over 3 years. She has asked for help, yet no one takes her up on it. The reason is closed down for a while was she was going to her daughters wedding, and since no one would help her with the site, she made it a closed group until she got back. What she didn't know was once you close a group on FB you cannot re-open it for 28days. The group has always been open until her daughters wedding. So those of you who sit back posting anonymously, trashing good people like Lorri, you would be better off fighting for what you believe in within our community. I wonder how many of you have ever even been to a Council meeting, or spoken or done research on something going on that seems wrong. She has done it with City Councils who were more Republican and she has done it with our current city council. She thinks the posts are amusing. I think they are just plain mean. That's all for now. I will post my initials which are I.T.
ReplyDeleteWell, that's wonderful, 2:07. Certainly, she has changed governance in Encinitas in myriad ways.
DeleteBut what trash?
Oh Geeze- The old Marvy hag shows up with her rambling nonsense. She is one of the 2%. Guess who?
ReplyDeleteHint - No common sense and seem like a very low IQ, Fat, hobbles as a walk, had a lean placed against her property for numerous zoning violations, and used to ramble on and on at every City Council meeting.
Try kindness rather than cruelty, 6:01.
Delete6:01 sounds like a property owner waiting for streetscrape to finish so he can cash out.
DeleteBingo, 3:36. Or raise rents, either way not what the masses want for sure.
DeleteWhy don't you buy the property and keep it as is....
ReplyDeleteeither way, streetscape helps us residents trying to walk and bike to local shops and the beach
Nonsense 8:13. Today, Monday, at 2 p.m. Southbound traffic backed up for blocks from the Leucadia Blvd light. Northbound traffic north of the light bumper to bumper as far as visible from the P.O. and still that way at 4:40 p.m. No walkers or bikes either time either way.
DeleteBusinesses will die. A few locals can't sustain them.
True, 8:40.
DeleteDon't know what 8:13 is talking about. What residents are "trying to walk and bike to local shops and the beach" now who are suddenly going to increase in numbers and want to do so after all the cement is poured?
Don't count on buying any properties. Word is Keith H. cannot wait to raise rents substantially. Sell his holdings he won't.
8:40pm - my point exactly... currently our mainstreet functions as auxiliary lanes for I5. Who wants to walk or ride bikes with I5 commuters?
ReplyDeleteThe streetscape will create a local mainstreet setting more like downtown Encinitas and then I will choose to walk to local businesses and the beach. I cant wait?
When is the City breaking ground anyway?
Its been forever. Why hasn't the City posted the final design on their website yet?
Kranz thinks all those cars backed up are going to take to the I5 and clearly 8:50 has bought into that fantasy.
DeleteGood question on the final design. The fact that it's taken "forever" and changed too many times to count should tell you that something about the design isn't right, 8:50. Ask the city about the supposed final design and get back to us, why don't you. Better yet, ask Brenda and see what she says.
8:50 Spread your legs, squat down, and pull your head out of your ass.
DeleteIf you had even the slightest familiarity with the facts, you'd realize you're 100% wrong.
Build it. Time for debate is over.
DeleteThere's no commuting traffic on Leucadia 101 at 2 o'clock on a Monday afternoon.
ReplyDeleteAs a casual observer, there is a pea-brained, manic person seriouly trolling this discussion with pro streetscape "build it" crap. Could this be the related-to-city-staff child that was disrupting pre-hearing blogs? The damaged son, with his green bean suit?
ReplyDeleteGet some fresh air dude!
Buh
DeleteBuh
Buh
Build it.
3:30 p.m. Wednesday July 3, 2019: southbound traffic backed up two lanes wide from the Leucadia Blvd light to Grandview St. That's 9/10 mile.
ReplyDeleteSince Streetscape would leave Phoebe to L Blvd at two lanes, the 5/10 mile jammed in two lanes from Grandview to Phoebe would become a 1-mile jam in Streetscape's one lane.
Streetscape would make today's jam 1.4 miles. That would push it all the way back to La Costa Ave.
No I-5 commuters are heading southbound on Leucadia 101 at 3:30 p.m. on Wednesday afternoon July 3. It's all locals and visitors to our community. How many want to creep along in a 30-45 minute traffic jam?
Streetscape will kill local businesses and make getting to and from homes west of 101 a nightmare.
Streetscape will kill business.
ReplyDeleteStreetscape will cause building owners to raise rents.
Make up your minds. These are opposite outcomes.
don't play dumb. streetscape will kill business, that's a fact.
Deletethe greedy developers who can't see past their noses plan to raise rents - ask anyone on the inside and they'll tell you all about Mr. H's hopes and dreams.
opposite opinions from opposite sides of the project, so obviously opposite scenarios. either you play dumb in real life or just on tv - which is it?
So you are smarter than all of the people who own adjacent property?
DeleteThat seems arrogant and self-serving, no?
what's your point? which owners? some are not the sharpest tools....
DeleteSome property and business owners believe the BS the city paid Baker to put in the traffic studies. They think that shrinking the lanes and adding roundabouts will not congest the traffic more than it's already congested. Of course, that makes no sense at all.
DeleteThey actually believe traffic flow will improve, as will their business volume. They don't admit that customers avoid businesses they can't easily get to, park at and leave.
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Deletekranz claims people will "learn" to take the 5. where will all the shoppers be then? buzzing past yer exits, deluded 101 biz owners.
ReplyDelete"Hey, honey, wanna go out to dinner?"
ReplyDelete"Sure, let's go someplace where we'll get hung up in traffic going there and coming back, and where there's no place to park. My life is too smooth and simple. I need more hassles."
Everyone knows the best fine dining is always 10 ft from a four lane highway with cars blasting by at high speeds.
Delete“Waiter, are these sausages smoked?”
“They are now.”
Smoked even better with cars endlessly stopped or creeping along at idle speed.
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