Clave is Davis’s daughter. The third fatality is reportedly Elizabeth Cox, Clave’s aunt. The family was at the beach to celebrate Cox’s cancer recovery.
The facebook from the City of Encinitas is appalling. Total CYA. Such disregard for such nice people in our community. Such a new LOW!!!! And SO disappointing.
Seriously, do you even go to the beach. There have been numerous bluff collapses in my lifetime here. Look just South of Swamis. A VW bus sized rock fell there recently. Thankfully, no one was sitting under it. The SRF lost a building just years after it was constructed to a bluff collapse. Carlsbad has to close down a lane on the 101 due to a collapse just a year ago. If you live on Neptune, I would be worried about sea level rise and the historic prevalence of bluff collapse in the region.
I feel awe full for the Davis family. Many of us know the bluffs are unstable because we have seen new rocks on the beach that fell from above. It is sadly wrong place at the wrong time. Stay safe and stay back.
The city needs to post warning signs along the beach, warning of the collapse hazard. Lifeguards need to contact people and advise them to reposition themselves if too close to the bluff edge.
10:11 AM Good question about the tons and tons of dirt that was cut down from the land now above it for the 101 Beach hotel where attorney Marco Gonzalez is part of the development. There is more land destruction with this hotel construction than what could happen with an earthquake. Giant pylons and metal plates hold up the neighboring property after the removal of the back part of the bluff by the developers. Where is the Coastal Commission staff in allowing this major destruction?
Coastal Commission is paid off. They only harass small property owners. Also, where is Surf Riders? Again, they seem to be preoccupied with non-issues, like sea walls.
I used to deliver pizzas in Leucadia/south Carlsbad and every time I went to those motels there was always hard drug use going on, I don't know how the hell those things make any money
12:38 PM Not always true. The energy and vibration of an earthquake travel many miles. Search for construction vibration damage. Have you looked at the hotel construction development? The city staff and the Coastal Commission may be culpable for allowing such mega damage to the bluffs.
If the hotel destruction were affecting the bluff, it would have collapsed below or adjacent to the site. Sea Bluff condo construction would have had a similar effect.
The Grandview collapse was a half mile away from the hotel site. The bluff was undermined by the pounding surf at high tides, the condos above water the landscaping, and there were hundreds of pounds of succulent ice plant on and hanging over the part that collapsed.
Lifeguards should make and enforce a policy of telling people not to sit close to the bluff.
Using that logic, people on Neptune should have to be restricted from watering their lawns and performing any construction as well. They developed the bluff too.
The Sheriff did ask the helios to fly higher to as not jostle the bluffs any further. As far as the construction on the new hotel, Encinitas Votes just posted a picture as to what they are doing. It may be a half mile away, but it looks pretty awful. So sorry for the family. Wonder if they will fly the flag at half mast. It's not that way today at the city. But maybe there are protocols I don't know about. If there isn't, even though it's Sunday, someone with authority could go down to City Hall and lower the flag. Feel so sad for this family. Wife beats cancer, only to be taken down by a bluff.
Lifeguards need to enforce a safety buffer zone - say 15 feet away from the bluff edge. They cruise the beach constantly - they need to do this to try to avoid another tragedy.
Next Door has a good thread about how to show support for the Davis family. They are such a giving family. I am sure that they would rather we bond together to show them support than use their tragedy as a political platform.
If you really care about our community, you would also show thanks to the first responders rather than arm-chair quarterback work that most of us could never do.
Suggesting that the lifeguards trying to maintain a safe zone distance from the bluff edge is "arm-chair quarterbacking"? I guess job descriptions/responsibilities are a novel concept for you?
Hot tip, folks: Except at the public beach accesses, the bluffs are private property. The collapse that tragically killed three people was below the south end of Sea Bluff condos, a very short distance from the Grandview public access.
No negligence, no fault. It was an accident beyond the property owner's control. The city and state can't be held responsible either. It was an act of nature.
1:29 PM An unsubstantiated opinion about seawalls - if done correctly, they have little to do with beach erosion. It is the marinas and other mass development along the coast and watersheds that have changed the dynamics of sand deposition on the beaches. The anti-seawall bit sounds like the propaganda of the Surfriders.
It's a well established fact that seawalls quicken the pace of beach erosion 9:08 AM. You could look it up rather than posting your uninformed opinion.
7:24 PM Pot calling the kettle black. Well designed seawalls have little or nothing to do with beach erosion. If not contiguous tho, they may exacerbate the undercutting of the adjacent portions of the unprotected bluff base. This is not beach erosion - it is bluff erosion.
The hotel construction is 1/2 mile away. If it was a factor, the bluff near it would be collapsing. It's not. As horrible as that hotel is, it had nothing to do with the Grandview collapse. Look at the undermining, the overhang, and the hundreds of pounds of ice plant on and hanging over the edge.
Well genius', if that were the case concerning the hotel causing the cliff to fail a half mile away then every area of bluff/cliff in that area would be on the sand after failing. You people that have no concept of anything always have an opinion and yet you know it all know nothings will write anyway. Oh' I suppose they will find some dufus lawyer to sue someone. Fools
After seeing the hotel hacks driving I beams with the backside of a front-end loader bucket, I'd say that the hotel construction should be considered. It is not 1/2 mile away. It is 300-500 yards away.
As a geologist I can attest that Encinitas bluffs have and will erode because of wave action etching the base and fresh water that percolates through the substrate dissolving salts and carrying away sediment. You can look for blame but the reality is that the bluffs all along the coast of our state are eroding. Sea level rise will exponentially increase the rate of erosion.
6:45 — La Costa Ave. is 1/2 mile from Grandview St. The monster retaining wall between the hotel and Sea Bluff is a little bit south of the avenue. The collapse was a little bit north of the Grandview access stairs. The distance is a lot closer to 1/2 mile than it is to 300-500 yards. You can check it on Google Maps or MapQuest.
The hotel construction had nothing to do with the collapse at the Grandview access. If the construction were causing the bluff to collapse, it would be happening at or near the hotel site.
Well, 10:08, produce reliable evidence that the geologist at 9:13 is wrong. Have you done the research? Do you have any common sense or observational skills? Have you lived around here long?
We still don't know who the geologist is or whether he/she actually is one. Let's have a name and we'll take it from there.
Many who have observed are having the discussion, whether you or your phantom geologist expert agree or like it, as to how the resort work may have been a major contributing factor. And yes, some of those people are in the business of civil engineering but you would have to take my word for it ;)
I have lived here over two decades, not that you can verify, because guess what? I'm an anonymous poster.
OK, 12:03, I'll humor you because you have no common sense or historical knowledge. Did you look at the Dr. Pat Abbott geology link above? He said essentially the same thing as the geologist you accuse of not being a geologist.
Did you see the collapse south of Stone Steps in 2000 that killed a young woman? How about the collapse several years ago between Leucadia Blvd and Europa St? How about the huge collapse a few years back that spanned two lots south of Grandview?
They happen all the time, big, medium or small. If the hotel construction is at fault, why isn't the bluff collapsing there?
The fact that the other collapses occurred cannot be used to support the absence of it being a contributing factor in this case. Using these others to "prove" this collapse isn't logical.
BTW, I'm not assigning causation or contribution one way or the other, just advocating for some thought and real investigation. A proclamation one day after the event no matter who is making it is not, to me, thoughtful.
3:04 — Two geologists concur, dozens of other collapses historically, no collapses at the hotel construction site a half mile away. To suggest that last week's collapse at Grandview was connected to the hotel construction is illogical. It's not being investigated because rational people who know facts and history know the two aren't connected.
BTW, you know that artillery practice and simulated invasions at Camp Pendleton are causing radiation leaks at SONGS, right?
I agree with 11:35. The bluff is always wet so I never sit under it. The cracks are also a good sign that there is more of the bluff that can fail. Just be careful everyone and be aware if you live on the edge of the bluff that your landscaping can cause additional stress. The rain this winter couldn't have helped either.
Hi - im a PhD soiled scientist and wish to weigh-in.. It is fact that when there is pounding of the dirt, the dirt will eventually yield. The bluff butchering hotel has stuffed a gnarly, diseased thing into Leucadia...
Deep, heartfelt condolences to Dr. Matt Davis, his father, Dr. Pat Davis, and the rest of the Davis family. Dr. Davis has been the pediatric dentist for my kids since they were just out of diapers. The Davis dental office has always been a place where families establish longstanding relationships with everyone on staff, and our families grow up together.
The news of the bluff tragedy has been distressing and heartbreaking. I wish the family peace and whatever solace they can find in their close family bond in the aftermath. As random and unfair as this is, this too shall pass. Davis family, you have many, many friends in the community who value, appreciate, and are here for you.
RIP
ReplyDeleteThe facebook from the City of Encinitas is appalling. Total CYA. Such disregard for such nice people in our community. Such a new LOW!!!! And SO disappointing.
ReplyDeleteAnd the reason the development just north of collapsed is not being looked into as a factor
ReplyDeleteSeriously, do you even go to the beach. There have been numerous bluff collapses in my lifetime here. Look just South of Swamis. A VW bus sized rock fell there recently. Thankfully, no one was sitting under it. The SRF lost a building just years after it was constructed to a bluff collapse. Carlsbad has to close down a lane on the 101 due to a collapse just a year ago. If you live on Neptune, I would be worried about sea level rise and the historic prevalence of bluff collapse in the region.
ReplyDeleteSRF lost that building in the early 1940's.
DeleteI feel awe full for the Davis family. Many of us know the bluffs are unstable because we have seen new rocks on the beach that fell from above. It is sadly wrong place at the wrong time. Stay safe and stay back.
ReplyDeleteThe city needs to post warning signs along the beach, warning of the collapse hazard. Lifeguards need to contact people and advise them to reposition themselves if too close to the bluff edge.
ReplyDeleteCity will be sued for millions.
Delete10:11 AM
ReplyDeleteGood question about the tons and tons of dirt that was cut down from the land now above it for the 101 Beach hotel where attorney Marco Gonzalez is part of the development.
There is more land destruction with this hotel construction than what could happen with an earthquake. Giant pylons and metal plates hold up the neighboring property after the removal of the back part of the bluff by the developers.
Where is the Coastal Commission staff in allowing this major destruction?
Coastal Commission is paid off. They only harass small property owners. Also, where is Surf Riders? Again, they seem to be preoccupied with non-issues, like sea walls.
DeleteMarco Gonzalez is a paid mercenary for coastal destruction. His only interest is lining his own pockets. Loud mouthed hypocrite.
DeleteThe hotel is a gross atrocity. It's a true indication of the corruption of the city and the Coastal Commission. Marco should rot in hades.
ReplyDeleteBut the hotel and the Grandview cliff collapse had nothing to do with each other. They're a half mile apart.
I used to deliver pizzas in Leucadia/south Carlsbad and every time I went to those motels there was always hard drug use going on, I don't know how the hell those things make any money
Delete12:38 PM
ReplyDeleteNot always true. The energy and vibration of an earthquake travel many miles. Search for construction vibration damage.
Have you looked at the hotel construction development? The city staff and the Coastal Commission may be culpable for allowing such mega damage to the bluffs.
If the hotel destruction were affecting the bluff, it would have collapsed below or adjacent to the site. Sea Bluff condo construction would have had a similar effect.
DeleteThe Grandview collapse was a half mile away from the hotel site. The bluff was undermined by the pounding surf at high tides, the condos above water the landscaping, and there were hundreds of pounds of succulent ice plant on and hanging over the part that collapsed.
Lifeguards should make and enforce a policy of telling people not to sit close to the bluff.
Using that logic, people on Neptune should have to be restricted from watering their lawns and performing any construction as well. They developed the bluff too.
ReplyDeleteI think they are restricted from watering their landscaping.
Delete1:32 PM
ReplyDeleteGo look at at the hotel construction. Nothing on Neptune comes close to the hotel destruction.
The Sheriff did ask the helios to fly higher to as not jostle the bluffs any further. As far as the construction on the new hotel, Encinitas Votes just posted a picture as to what they are doing. It may be a half mile away, but it looks pretty awful. So sorry for the family. Wonder if they will fly the flag at half mast. It's not that way today at the city. But maybe there are protocols I don't know about. If there isn't, even though it's Sunday, someone with authority could go down to City Hall and lower the flag. Feel so sad for this family. Wife beats cancer, only to be taken down by a bluff.
ReplyDeleteLifeguards need to enforce a safety buffer zone - say 15 feet away from the bluff edge. They cruise the beach constantly - they need to do this to try to avoid another tragedy.
ReplyDeleteNext Door has a good thread about how to show support for the Davis family. They are such a giving family. I am sure that they would rather we bond together to show them support than use their tragedy as a political platform.
ReplyDeleteIf you really care about our community, you would also show thanks to the first responders rather than arm-chair quarterback work that most of us could never do.
Suggesting that the lifeguards trying to maintain a safe zone distance from the bluff edge is "arm-chair quarterbacking"? I guess job descriptions/responsibilities are a novel concept for you?
Deleteshow thanks to the first responders. Why?
ReplyDeleteWhat did they do that was beyond expected?
Hot tip, folks: Except at the public beach accesses, the bluffs are private property. The collapse that tragically killed three people was below the south end of Sea Bluff condos, a very short distance from the Grandview public access.
ReplyDeleteSo are you saying should be held responsible?
DeleteNo negligence, no fault. It was an accident beyond the property owner's control. The city and state can't be held responsible either. It was an act of nature.
Delete"Act of God" is the term for an unforeseeable natural event.. If anything, blame the California Coastal Commission - they refuse to permit sea walls.
DeleteWhich is why 9:43 used "act of nature." Sea walls do not stop beach erosion. They speed it up.
Delete1:29 PM An unsubstantiated opinion about seawalls - if done correctly, they have little to do with beach erosion. It is the marinas and other mass development along the coast and watersheds that have changed the dynamics of sand deposition on the beaches. The anti-seawall bit sounds like the propaganda of the Surfriders.
DeleteCruel hand of fate.
DeleteIt's a well established fact that seawalls quicken the pace of beach erosion 9:08 AM. You could look it up rather than posting your uninformed opinion.
Delete7:24 PM Pot calling the kettle black. Well designed seawalls have little or nothing to do with beach erosion. If not contiguous tho, they may exacerbate the undercutting of the adjacent portions of the unprotected bluff base. This is not beach erosion - it is bluff erosion.
DeleteDr. Abbott sums it up:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.10news.com/news/local-news/geologist-dr-pat-abbott-assesses-bluff-damage-in-encinitas
That was a mighty quick assessment on his part that omits any consideration of the hotel earthworks: nothing to see here folks, move along.
DeleteIf I were that poor family I'd be getting a second opinion.
The hotel construction is 1/2 mile away. If it was a factor, the bluff near it would be collapsing. It's not. As horrible as that hotel is, it had nothing to do with the Grandview collapse. Look at the undermining, the overhang, and the hundreds of pounds of ice plant on and hanging over the edge.
DeleteI'd be getting a second opinion.
DeleteWell genius', if that were the case concerning the hotel causing the cliff to fail a half mile away then every area of bluff/cliff in that area would be on the sand after failing. You people that have no concept of anything always have an opinion and yet you know it all know nothings will write anyway. Oh' I suppose they will find some dufus lawyer to sue someone. Fools
DeleteAfter seeing the hotel hacks driving I beams with the backside of a front-end loader bucket, I'd say that the hotel construction should be considered. It is not 1/2 mile away. It is 300-500 yards away.
DeleteAs a geologist I can attest that Encinitas bluffs have and will erode because of wave action etching the base and fresh water that percolates through the substrate dissolving salts and carrying away sediment. You can look for blame but the reality is that the bluffs all along the coast of our state are eroding. Sea level rise will exponentially increase the rate of erosion.
Delete6:45 — La Costa Ave. is 1/2 mile from Grandview St. The monster retaining wall between the hotel and Sea Bluff is a little bit south of the avenue. The collapse was a little bit north of the Grandview access stairs. The distance is a lot closer to 1/2 mile than it is to 300-500 yards. You can check it on Google Maps or MapQuest.
DeleteThe hotel construction had nothing to do with the collapse at the Grandview access. If the construction were causing the bluff to collapse, it would be happening at or near the hotel site.
Well, now that we have anonymous poster 9:52's word for it....
DeleteAnd we have 7:34's anonymous, sarcastic, factless comment.
DeletePlease, the "geologist" could be the developer or attorney for all we know.
DeleteWell, 10:08, produce reliable evidence that the geologist at 9:13 is wrong. Have you done the research? Do you have any common sense or observational skills? Have you lived around here long?
DeleteWe still don't know who the geologist is or whether he/she actually is one. Let's have a name and we'll take it from there.
DeleteMany who have observed are having the discussion, whether you or your phantom geologist expert agree or like it, as to how the resort work may have been a major contributing factor. And yes, some of those people are in the business of civil engineering but you would have to take my word for it ;)
I have lived here over two decades, not that you can verify, because guess what? I'm an anonymous poster.
OK, 12:03, I'll humor you because you have no common sense or historical knowledge. Did you look at the Dr. Pat Abbott geology link above? He said essentially the same thing as the geologist you accuse of not being a geologist.
DeleteDid you see the collapse south of Stone Steps in 2000 that killed a young woman? How about the collapse several years ago between Leucadia Blvd and Europa St? How about the huge collapse a few years back that spanned two lots south of Grandview?
They happen all the time, big, medium or small. If the hotel construction is at fault, why isn't the bluff collapsing there?
The fact that the other collapses occurred cannot be used to support the absence of it being a contributing factor in this case. Using these others to "prove" this collapse isn't logical.
DeleteBTW, I'm not assigning causation or contribution one way or the other, just advocating for some thought and real investigation. A proclamation one day after the event no matter who is making it is not, to me, thoughtful.
3:04 — Two geologists concur, dozens of other collapses historically, no collapses at the hotel construction site a half mile away. To suggest that last week's collapse at Grandview was connected to the hotel construction is illogical. It's not being investigated because rational people who know facts and history know the two aren't connected.
DeleteBTW, you know that artillery practice and simulated invasions at Camp Pendleton are causing radiation leaks at SONGS, right?
I don't think it is illogical to question it, even if they are are wrong.
DeletePersonally, I think all human behavior on the bluff and adjacent to it could potentially be a contributor. Just not a sole cause.
OK, 5:01, now we know you're either nuts or goofing around.
DeleteI agree with 11:35. The bluff is always wet so I never sit under it. The cracks are also a good sign that there is more of the bluff that can fail. Just be careful everyone and be aware if you live on the edge of the bluff that your landscaping can cause additional stress. The rain this winter couldn't have helped either.
ReplyDelete2019.
ReplyDeleteThe moment when the concept of “accident” died.
If you get hit by lightning or an asteroid, get a lawyer. It’s someone’s fault.
Dang that was funny.
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ReplyDeleteNo class. Sad you felt you needed to post.
Please go watch the sunset tonight.
Hi - im a PhD soiled scientist and wish to weigh-in..
ReplyDeleteIt is fact that when there is pounding of the dirt, the dirt will eventually yield. The bluff butchering hotel has stuffed a gnarly, diseased thing into Leucadia...
Where was the SurfClowns Assn. when this atrocity was up for proposal?
DeleteDeep, heartfelt condolences to Dr. Matt Davis, his father, Dr. Pat Davis, and the rest of the Davis family. Dr. Davis has been the pediatric dentist for my kids since they were just out of diapers. The Davis dental office has always been a place where families establish longstanding relationships with everyone on staff, and our families grow up together.
ReplyDeleteThe news of the bluff tragedy has been distressing and heartbreaking. I wish the family peace and whatever solace they can find in their close family bond in the aftermath. As random and unfair as this is, this too shall pass. Davis family, you have many, many friends in the community who value, appreciate, and are here for you.
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