Third parties often represent factions that break away from the major parties over policy issues.And that is exactly what we see with the Graboi and Cameron candidacies. Neither of Encinitas' dominant factions, the pro-business / pro-developer Republicans and the Smart Growth / Vina-backing Democrats, represent the interests of a large block of voters who just want to preserve the community they love. Whether or not Julie Graboi and Sheila Cameron win, the impact they and future third-faction candidates have on elections will ensure that one of the major factions will eventually take community character and city government reform seriously.
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People typically vote for a third-party candidate because they are trying to send a message to the major parties. That protest vote is often heard. Both the Democrats and Republicans have accepted reforms and programs that originally seemed radical when presented by third parties. The eight-hour workday, women's suffrage, and the railroad rate regulation are good examples. Historically, third parties eventually fail to maintain themselves at the local and state levels, usually because one of the major parties skims off their talent by embracing some of the issues that party supporters hold dear.
Sunday, August 10, 2014
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All I have heard are rumors that Sheila Cameron is running for mayor. Does any one have any proof of this rumor?
ReplyDeleteYes, she's running. All papers filed.
ReplyDeleteThere's a ballot-qualified candidate that is running on the very notion of the two party system being a sham who was not mentioned above. ;)
ReplyDeleteProp A doesn't go far enough to halt development. It slows down the hemorrhaging rather than sealing the wound. There are still new homes being built in Encinitas, when the housing collapse occurred because of overinvestment, malinvestment, and more supply (of homes) than there is actual demand. Why keep blowing up the artificial bubble?
Who finances all this overdevelopment? The Federal Reserve and their member banks. Building homes we don't need, creating a bubble economy, to then foreclose on people they purposefully made bad loans to, and then foreclosing on the rest of us because it brings the whole economy down with them. The city allows the massive expansion of new homes while those who want to make simple, legitimate changes to their existing homes have their lives made a living hell by code enforcement and the City Attorney. The two party system is a construct of the banking elite to maintain the economic status quo at the local, state, national, and international levels. Vina and Sabine are just one of the thousands of well-salaried pawns in municipalities throughout the country who in a sense indirectly work for the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, and Morgans, who certainly were the only ones to literally laugh all the way to the bank during this whole economic downturn, which we have yet to see the worst of.
9:22 every vote for Alex Fidel is a vote against the residents and taxpayers of Encinitas
DeleteI will preface my comment by stating the fact that Alex Fidel hass been a ghost at Encinitas City Hall- non existent, and for that young Alex has only himself to blame. Were he truly interested in leadeship he would know our issues and present solutions rather than not knowing our issues and having no solutions.
Like Gaspar, Kranz, Barth, Shaffer and Muir- Alex Fidel seems to be running for his own ego and glorifaction-
on the other hand Graboi and Cameron have given 4 years of their lives to protecting our community character, watching our spending, speaking our against the failed closed door policies at city hall.
Most important to me- Cameron and Graboi got the balls the council doesn't- they will hold Vina and Sabine accountable, and they will take action.
Save your phony baloney Rothschilds schtick for the Occupy Wall Street crowd-
I want real leadership occupying Encinitas City Hall- Cameron and Graboi- our best hope to protect our quality of life and stop the Shaffer Kranz tax hike
It is very easy to attack my character when you don't know them. As a muslim, I believe politicians & corporations are false idols, so I'm not looking for ego gratification here.
DeleteLet's discuss the issues. It also shows you do not understand my policies. Ron Paul's nickname is the 'taxpayer's best friend,' and he is one of my influences. I would slash the budget dramatically, saving taxpayers immense amounts of money, and I oppose the sales tax increase & Pacific View purchase. I think that the property tax should be eliminated altogether; gas taxes pay for roads, and sales taxes pay for social services and the general fund. Do away with all those bloated pensions and egregious $100K+ salaries. Do away with the off-budget known as CAFR where they raise your property taxes to throw into a second set of books which are investments into Wall St. stocks, to beef up their pension plans and line their pockets. Why attend city council meetings when they are a circus and every councilmember is a corporate pawn?
Governor Gary Johnson balanced New Mexico's budget (and a surplus) without raising a dime of taxes.
DeleteKeep pretending the Rothschilds don't exist. The Grace Commission of the 1980s did a report that every single penny of income tax collected goes to service interest on the national debt. That means your tax dollars go straight to the pockets of either the owners of the Federal Reserve or China. Under this system of economic slavery known as the U.S. dollar, we are all wage slaves for the financial elites. What you are exhibiting is political Stockholm Syndrome, empathy for your captors. Lord Jacob Rothschild loves it when you file your income taxes year after year, even though it is a speck in the sand compared to his trillions, for them it is not just about money, it is power and control.
I don't think Vina & Sabine should be held accountable. I think they should be fired and banned from city government positions. If you read my first post, I called them pawns in the housing bubble game.
Delete10:23- Firing Vina and Sabine is holding them accountable - that's pretty elementary.
Delete9:58 where were you young Alex when the Barth Shaffer Kranz proposed a tax hike on Encinitas residents in March? You were no where to be found young Alex. Ohers exposed the apparent stink of corruption and malfeasance discovering and bringing to light emails and financial information Vina hid from the public.
DeleteThe Shaffer Kranz tax hike, planned to take according to Shaffer $5M out of the pockets on Encinitas families and into the hands of government.
Local issues, this is a city council race-
9:40 why attend council meetings?
Delete1. Residents finally got density bonus law protections.
2. Residents exposed and stopped the lew edwards tax hike
and that happened in the last months- that is why true patriots go to city hall and don't sit on their couch and bitch and complain. It's called leadership.
Cameron has it, Graboi has it, Kranz and Gaspar don't
Going after my age is a pretty easy cheap shot to go for, especially since the internet gives people muscles.
Delete"Ignorance doesn't have a time limit nor an age bracket. You are not an 'elder' just because you are older than someone who is younger. An elder implies knowledge. You could just be an old, ignorant motherf****r that's so bitter that you've never decided to learn something outside your own sphere and listen to people that are younger than you, because each one teach one. We need each other to become smarter." - Felipe Andres Coronel aka Immortal Technique
The whole council is corrupt. I've gone to council meetings before to challenge them on certain issues. They are a stonewall and the people have no representation whatsoever. It's a circus and a waste of my Wednesday night.
7:18AM- Good point, thanks for clarifying. Although, it could be possible that certain politicians may want to water it down and have them keep their jobs yet attempt to hold them accountable, but I think that is a lost effort. Just fire 'em ;)
7:23- I used to go to council meetings. But when the whole system is a charade, and every single council member is sold out, it is ultimately the council that wields power. They have never respected my voice, and they have the power to say that they will never consider anything as an agenda item. I submitted legislation to ban the use of drones over our skies, as well as make indefinite detention of any persons without charge or trial illegal (relating to the federal NDAA law, which many municipalities have already banned). I do not sit at home and complain. I'll go back to city council meetings once we kick all incumbents out of office this election.
DeleteJust a gentle reminder that the Council race and the mayor's race are non-partisan.
Delete-MGJ
MGJ,
DeleteNominally non-partisan, yes. But the Barthists are all Democrats, while the Stockites are all Republicans. And the county GOP and Dem political machines will pour in plenty of resources.
FYI, the last time Sheila ran in 2000, she came in 6th behind Bond, Maggie, Jerome, Heidi Prola, and Bob Naninga. Doesn't bode well. Former council member Lou Aspell finished even lower. ONce you're out, you're out...
DeleteNot true, I voted for Teresa Twice and I'm not a democrat, and neither were all supporters. Quite a few independents and Republicans.
Delete-MGJ
Barth's supporters, Sheila's supporters etc have been a diverse mix of Cardiffians, Downtowners, Leucadians etc. Remember, The Barth/Slow growth gang helped get Christy Guerin in during the Sheila/Dennis Holz days, and she was a Republican. Sorry, WC, way too narrow of a reading there.
DeleteMGJ,
DeleteI was referring to the politicians, not the voters.
Republican and independent voters can vote for Democrats in partisan elections, too.
7:43, the problem with Sheila is a lot of bridges have been burned, and a lot of time has passed. Combine that with her waiting until literally the last minute, and her chances are slim. A lot of people I know who supported Sheila in the past have already inked their vote with Tony....
DeleteGuerin didn't have a college degree. That's what kind of people we elect to represent us. She will go down as one of "dumbest" along side her buddy $tock$ and Dalager that this city has known She made it through the police academy the same way Gaspar made it to CFO. You figure it out.
DeleteWC,
DeleteI understood, but I would counter that Bond and Stocks as registered Republicans had no problem voting in the pension raises, so where does it end on that discussion?
I would say it comes down to the individual's will to address issues of funding, allocation etc. We know the discussion. And admittedly Maggie, who was a Dem, and supposed liberal, voted most of the time with Stocks and Bond, so there's no ready way to slice and dice party affiliations and support.
There's a lot more nuance based on business and club affiliations, where you live, whether you're into soccer, whether you have kids, whether you like roundabouts.
You get my point. As a supporter of folks like Barth, Shaffer, Kranz, Cameron, Holz, I can tell you there has never been direct big money by the Dem. party or any other entities. You can go back and request the details, it's not there.
Whereas Stocks, Bond, Gaspar, Dallager, there is always big money, out of town money, funneled money, We love Encinitas money. It's not close.
That said, none of that matters so much now, it's more about do the council members have any will to make changes, and right now, only Shaffer shows a glimmer of backbone...
-MGJ
12:05, true, but a college degree doesn't guarantee anything either. Dennis Holz to me was our most learned, reasoned and solution providing council member in the last 25 years, and that got him voted out...
DeleteI would add that when I see a mention of the Rothchilds, the next thing that's usually coming is some kind of mention of the international banking conspiracy, or the Jewish conspiracy or whatever you want to call it.
DeleteReally hoping you don't believe that Alex, because you're going down the wrong road if you're buying into the conspiracy/racist line. Ask Gary Johnson, there's no room for that in any party in our country.....
Guerin retired on a disability dole that apparently doesn't restrict her from rigorous physical activities....mental??
Delete3:04 Sounds about right.
DeleteActually, Holz was shown the door as a side-effect: when Guerin decided to try and stop the Children's outdoor gym down at Moonlight Beach from being constructed, D.D. decided to run: and when Nanninga entered the race, the combination of D.D. and B.N. in the race removed D.H. from the council: but he deserved it after The Thornburg Exception. Not to mention offering private weekend spiritual 'cleansings' in Idylwild for half a years' pay that SRF frowned upon and a half dozen gas guzzlers parked on his front lawn. Holz's loss resulted in Maggie's school girl crush on Dennis morphing into a rage-filled-tempest that was directed against the Ecke's over the Flower Pac.
DeleteI stick by my statement, mentions of the Rothchilds and banking is generally a front for anti-Jewish sentiment, and that is a result of being a little older and seeing that kind of thing take on new shapes over the years.
DeleteGlad you're up on the Rothchilds. And as someone who has worked for corporations most of his live, I'm well aware of the dynamic. It's a necessary evil, rent, healthcare, food. If you don't work, it's a lot harder to provide those essentials.
Again, you're throwing in every accusation, conspiracy theory etc into the mix, without making a coherent argument that ties them all together.
What are some of your solutions in simple bullet points to 5 of our top city issues....?
If by some freak occurrence Kid Alex were elected, he'd never get even one item on his personal agenda done because he'd never get at least two other council members to go along with him.
ReplyDeleteEven more restrictive than that, he'd never get even one other council member to second any motion he made.
So Kid Alex can rant all he wants. He's a non-starter. He won't even get out of the gate.
He has some good points and isn't afraid to put himself out there.
DeleteAgain, using terms like "Kid Alex" doesn't help you. Have you ever Googled what a logical fallacy is? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies Name calling does not count as a legitimate argument. You may be older, but age doesn't equal maturity.
DeleteAge is irrelevant: "Ignorance doesn't have a time limit nor an age bracket. You are not an 'elder' just because you are older than someone who is younger. An elder implies knowledge. You could just be an old, ignorant motherf****r that's so bitter that you've never decided to learn something outside your own sphere and listen to people that are younger than you, because each one teach one. We need each other to become smarter." - Felipe Andres Coronel aka Immortal Technique
If you read my op-ed at Seaside Courier, my goal is to inspire We The People to rise up and take the power back. http://www.seasidecourier.com/opinion/commentary-don-t-vote-for-me/article_8397e490-1c3b-11e4-b24a-001a4bcf6878.html
In general, if you are depending on a politician to be your savior and have all your wishes fall out of the sky, you are simply worshiping a demagogue. Look at the low voter turnout in Encinitas, and the fact that who is involved with local government is even fewer, way too many busybodies who like to mind other peoples' business. Most people don't vote in local elections because they don't see anyone running that resonates with them. I represent those people, the sleeping giants ready to take our rights back from this oppressive corporate state.
As far as local issues go, all the basic ones are a given. Upholding Prop A (my original post, I think it doesn't go far enough), no sales tax increase, no Pacific View purchase, etc. But did you know the city accepts money from the Dept. of Homeland Security? As much as $300K went to the fire dept. When I used to go to city council meetings, I submitted a Brown Act request for the contract that came along with the money. Section 74 requires city compliance with the PATRIOT Act. I think that is anything but patriotic, and if you knew what's in the Constitution & Bill of Rights, you'd know that we have the 10th amendment power to nullify oppressive federal laws, so suddenly, through the 10th amendment, all these issues that are seemingly unrelated to local politics suddenly do become related. We have a duty to stand up to the government who is systematically eroding our rights in the name of security. We should not be sitting ducks for oppressive federal policy.
Case & point on the whole council being rotten: The DHS grants were passed unanimously. These petty differences between the so-called "Democrats" on council and the "Republicans" is trivial. On major issues, like the possibility of having martial law in Encinitas, they are 100% in unison.
12:06AM- Thank you! As South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu said, to be silent in the face of injustice is to side with the oppressor. I refuse to be silent. I feel like I'd be compromising my own integrity if I'd stay silent.
"I represent those people"
DeleteCorrection. You don't represent jack yet.
See my comments from a prior blog post on the younger gentleman in Vista who's on their council. He woodshedded it the correct way, and is immersed in his community and its issues. Alex has yet to demonstrate that to me.
DeleteThat said, we know some pretty big money comes into these campaigns, so short of him winning the lottery, I really can't see it any more than the Seth Cowens of the past. I wish him well, but he's not worth discussing as a contender...
-MGJ
The Gaspar war chest will be augmented at the last minute to avoid revealing her special interest supporter cronies. Then there will be no time for her opponents to make issue of it - a classic subterfuge in politics.
Delete3:08 - Don't forget the GOP political machine: https://twitter.com/TonyKrvaric/status/493204558235983872/photo/1
DeleteBTW that's the chair of the GOP, and he personally does not like me because I campaigned heavily for Gary Johnson in 2012. I don't buy the BS argument about taking votes from Romney since he took plenty of votes away from the war criminal Obama because the left is thankfully ditching the Dems once and for all. The two party system is a puppet show and people in power don't like it when you interrupt their charade.
Anyone who says any third party candidate is taking away votes from a mainline Rep. or Dem needs to check out a book on civics. We do not elect by a direct popular vote. You can vote for anyone you'd like for President, but more likely than not, CA. will go Dem.
DeleteI still voted for Gary Johnson....
-MGJ
Between the three candidates Alex has my vote. The other two are bad for Encinitas. Alex has some good ideas and would be in favor of firing Vina and Sabine.
ReplyDeleteIs he hosting a Bong-a-Thon in the park?
DeleteGoogle ad hominem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
DeleteAlex,
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your commitment, but you don't know what you are talking about. Most of the sales tax is a state tax. I believe all of the local portion of sales tax already goes to the generAl fund. What's your plan exactly? Is it to stop sending state sales tax money to Sacremebto? If so, it's silly, illegal, and not technically feasible. The sales tax money does not flow through the city gov't on it's way to Sac. It goes straight from the merchants to sac, then they forward the local portion to the city. So how exactly do you plan to interrupt the flow?
Same thing on property tax. We write our checks to the County, not the city. No local ordinance can absolve us from obligations to the County or State.
Basically, you are running for the wrong office. The issues and solutions you propose are (a.) not able to be affected by city council, and (b.) wacky.
Good luck, though.
I believe sales taxes are shared between the different levels of government, just like property taxes are split between city and county. The city gets their funds elsewhere, why do you think they're trying to raise the sales tax.
DeleteI'd run for Congress to take on the military industrial complex if I were older, but the military industrial complex is alive in well in the city of Encinitas. Every single member of council voted for Department of Homeland Security grant money, which gets split with the sheriff.
If you read the Constitution, you'll see we have this thing called the 10th amendment where we can, and must, be proactive. Municipalities across the country have issued laws banning the enforcement of the NDAA, which allows the federal government to indefinitely detain any American without charge or trial. If that isn't alarming, I don't know what is.
Using terms like wacky is name calling and does not move any conversation forward in a positive direction.
*The city gets their funds from somewhere, ...
DeleteThough I fundamentally agree with Alex's world view I find it disturbing that dispite that kind of insight he still believes in religious sky fairies (Allah?). I flat out do not trust religious people. That definitely includes Kranz.
DeleteCabezon
Live and let live and don't judge others. I believe in the separation of church and state. Malcolm X is one of my heroes, just like I don't judge all Christians off of Rick Santorum. I tend to be a positive person and look for the good in people unless they prove otherwise.
DeleteAlex,
DeleteIn this case, wacky is as accurate and descriptive a term as I can think of.
Let's drill down on one particular policy prescription you've mentioned here: the elimination of property taxes.
If you've ever owned property, then you'd know that our property tax bills come from San Diego County Tax Collector Dan McAllister. (http://www.sdtreastax.com/). On the bill, there is an amount due, based on the assessed value of our property and improvements. There is a limit to the annual increase. If we disagree with the assessed value, there is a process to appeal. If we simply refule to pay, then the County will start legal proceedings that can eventually lead to our eviction, the condemnation and sale of our property to pay the tax bill. This is all legal--it's been challenged, and the case law is clear.
You'll notice that I did not mention any role of city staff or city council in any of this--that's because they play no role. Some portion of the tax collected by the county is fed back into local government, but our local officials do not collect the property tax directly.
Now, be very clear and precise, and tell us: what specific action(s) would Encinitas Mayor Alex Fidel take to eliminate the property tax? Would you pass a local law that says we can ignore the bills from the Dan McAllister?
Isn't that all the proof you need that property taxes create indentured servitude? That you do not actually own the land you stand on?
DeleteLet the county come in and try to take our homes. I hope for a peoples' uprising to defend ourselves from such tyranny. The 10th amendment of the Constitution allows for checks and balances between different levels of government. Let's just make the property tax illegal, residents are not obliged to pay it, and let's see them send in the troops. It would be the biggest PR blunder for the state since the footage of dogs & hoses from the south during the civil rights period.
We aught to stand up for our rights no matter what and not let these tyrants like Dan McAllister scare us.
"Let's just make the property tax illegal, residents are not obliged to pay it, and let's see them send in the troops."
DeleteAh. Got it. So you'd propose a local ordinance that declares a state law null and void here, to provoke a confrontation that puts my home equity, credit score and nest egg at risk.
Thanks for clarifying.
That's not wacky at all.
[/end sarc]
Did we really just have mention of two candidates religion as a reason not to support them? Come on guys, let's raise the dialogue. I don't care if you worship UFO's if you can balance the budget..
DeleteAnd calling Dan McAllister a tyrant is a bit much, he's a democratically elected Tax Collector. If you don't like him, organize to support someone else. It's called Democracy...
DeleteHere's an idea Mr. Fidel:
DeleteWhy not run a small scale test of your property tax policy idea? Go buy a house in Encinitas, and immediately stop paying property taxes on it. See where that goes. Then come back in a few years, after it all plays out, and give us a report. At that point, we can all decide if we want to join you.
(wink.)
9:25-
DeleteLet's see RIck Santorum, good father, good husband, good employee, good member of his church, good member of his community- sounds like somebody I should respect even if I might not agree with him on any political issue- or we choose to live in that hate ideology
IMHO, politics are an extension of the person's personal life. If he is a sleazy, sold-out corrupt racist homophobic jerk, then he's that way in real life.
Delete"The voice of racism preaching the gospel is devilish, a fake church called the Prophet Muhammad a terrorist, forgetting God is not religion, but a spiritual bond, and Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Qur'an. Corporate America dancing off beat to the rhythm, do you really think this country never sponsored terrorism?" - Immortal Technique
12:36- Me purchasing a property is a dead-end argument. That would be me, as one person, standing up to a tyrannical system. As mayor, making the property tax illegal for everyone would improve the lives of all of us as a whole.
DeleteNo one here (or in America for that matter) can truly call themselves property owners. Property tax is indentured servitude. You do not actually own the property you stand on so long as some bureaucrat can force you to pay money on it just for existing. And you are okay with that? That's a symptom of political Stockholm Syndrome, which is empathy for your oppressors. Stop living on your knees, brother.
Also, as an independent journalist I spent part of the beginning of my career interning on the side for economist Peter Schiff (go on YouTube and search Peter Schiff was right). He was Ron Paul's 2008 economic adviser and correctly predicted the 2008 crash years in advance because it was easy to see the Federal Reserve's credit spree and that fiat money printing causes bubbles just by its very nature of sucking massive amounts of resources in the economy away from where it is actually needed, into artificially blowing up an area where it is not needed (housing). Schiff says that it is absolutely stupid, especially for someone my age living in a crumbling economy, to buy or own property (even though with property taxes you never truly own your property, you're just a serf and tax cow for Encinitas' bloated pensions and Encinitas council candidate Bryan Ziegler's $122K a year salary), it makes more sense economically to rent. I would suggest grabbing a copy of Schiff's 'How an Economy Grows and Why It Crashes.' I can guarantee you I have far superior economic knowledge to these corrupt corporate shills on city council, because when you know economics well enough, you see that the entire central banking scheme is a big system of slavery where we are the slaves of the bankers. Also, highly recommended to watch a documentary on the IRS and the Federal Reserve called 'America: Freedom to Fascism' by Aaron Russo.
9:25 "I believe in the separation of church and state."
DeleteSo does this Guy. Matt. 22:21
Provocative Discussion
ReplyDeleteA candidate for Mayor's first qualification is to understand the structure of the council and his/her limits within a city manager general law city. He/she will have a single vote, and unless there are two others who are in general support, the position will be one of frustration and lack of effectiveness. Winning the Mayor election may be a message, but it is far from a referendum on a Strong Mayor, which would be needed is one individual is to be able to act on his/her major goals
I'm now experiencing this in the Traffic and Public Safety Commission, where the ordinance adding the Public Safety aspect is expansive, yet there is not only no will among the other members, but there were no realistic resources, legal, or funding- to begin to grapple with being a civic agency dealing with uniformed services.
The lead article now on FocusOnEncinitas goes into detail, and also requests that those who do want change be in the audience at 5:30 today, Monday, when the meeting begins to express their views. This is not eliminating the Federal Reserve, or ending the Patriot Act, but it is one way to empower citizens as another channel outside of the city council.
Ms. Blakespeare is on this commission, and as a politician she will rightly see a message in whether there are those in the audience who share my views.
To be fair, the city council did accept over $300K from the Department of Homeland Security, which has a contract that requires city enforcement of the PATRIOT Act. So therefore it is relevant to local issues, and if you understood the Constitution (which you would take an oath to uphold as a Mayor or City Councilmember), that we also have a 10th amendment right to be proactive on things like the PATRIOT Act if city enforcement was not the case. Dozens of cities around the country have been proactive in nullifying the NDAA, which allows for indefinite detention of American citizens without charges or trial. Are you a parent? Is this the type of Orwellian world you want your kids to grow up in? I hope not.
DeleteWhen I used to go to council meetings, I tried to get the council to issue a statement on why they think it is necessary to enforce the Patriot Act. They stood silent, even though behind the scenes they're happy to accept the free cash in this horribly mismanaged city. So they'll act like it is not a local issue, but it is, and they're accepting the cash for it.
I hope they can answer for it at the debates. To defend such policies is truly to stand against We The People.
Wow, we're going far afield here on the issues affecting the city..
DeleteBut here are some details if you want it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act#Details
OMG - IT'S TRUE, you folks on this blog are really crazies. I'm sorry, but it's the nicest way I can say it!
ReplyDelete10:20 Like we care what you think.
Delete10:36
DeleteWhat does anyone the blog think of the tanks rolling in to St. Louis? Or for that matter any thoughts about the lootng, stealing and thieving going on in St. Louis?
Are they UN tanks, did they have a false flag? Did the black hellicopters come with them?
DeleteThere was a riot, police responded..
http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Reports-Ferguson-protests-turn-violent-270697451.html
Looting in the ghetto? - just another day. Wait until a major earthquake hits California - they'll be flinging their caviar dishes at each other in Beverly Hills! (apex of the social spectrum - chaos will be comensurate to the appropriatness of the lower levels - ie, guns)
Delete8:38, When Yellowstone blows, they won't be able to find their caviar.
DeleteTime to have Smokey the Bear monitor Yellowstone - give him the caviar in advance.
DeleteIf only he could prevent forest fires and super volcanoes.
DeleteMaybe the extinction of humanity isn't a bad thing for the planet!
Delete5:55, Now you sound like an Alien guest on Coast to Coast.
DeleteThe reason I brought up religion earlier is because churches tend to be a breeding grounds of cronyism in business and politics. It does matter to me if a candidate is religious and at what level.
ReplyDeleteCabezon
Encinitas' notorious Muslim Mafia is licking its chops at the prospect of a Fidel administration?
DeleteI thought knowing anybody was a breeding ground of cronyism, whether Little League, Soccer, or Rotary Club.
DeleteWe have Freedom of Religion in this country, so it shouldn't matter..
Visit www.Muslims4Liberty.org originally Muslims for Ron Paul. Relates the principles of Islam to libertarianism/anarchism. Politicians & corporations are false idols, and all these so-called Islamic states (most of them allied with the U.S., like Saudi Arabia) are an oxymoron. Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad all taught the same message of oneness. Anything else is a misrepresentation, I don't care what they call themselves. The CIA created, armed, and funded al Qaeda in the 80s, as well as al Qaeda/ISIS in Syria to this day. Usury is a high sin in Islam, so these 'extremists' are taking paychecks from the CIA who get their funds from the Western central banks, who charge interest on every dollar they print out of thin air. They're also furthering the goals of the American empire. But I agree, I think organized religion, not all but for the most part, has perverted the original spiritual teachings of the messengers.
DeleteMy spiritual beliefs are personal and I prefer to have secular governance, and of course limited government.
If you want an example of cronyism, you're better off at looking at the relationship between banks and multinational corporations with the government.
2:03 PM
Delete"Encinitas' notorious Muslim Mafia" WTF?
Yes, Kid Alex, age does matter. With age comes knowledge, maturity and scraps of wisdom.
ReplyDeleteKid Alex is very bright, good with his specialized knowledge, passionate, idealistic, immature, hopelessly misdirected, and very largely ignorant about how the city, county, state, country and world work.
Kid Alex is, well, a kid. Encinitas needs council members with a good dose of Kid Alex's passion and integrity, but along with that they must have professional and life experience. That combination will let them get good stuff done, but only if there are at least three with the combination.
While I'm typing: Please stop with the ignorant accusation about the Shaffer/Kranz tax hike. Shaffer floated the idea as a possibility. It was shot down. For it to go to the ballot, it would need four council ayes. If that highly unlikely event happened, the voters would never approve it. It's a non-issue, so please stop bringing it up as an accusation or something that will sneak through the back door.
The Shaffer/Kranz TAX HIKE is real and should be part of this election's debate.
Delete2:42 Nice try to distract and hoodwink to hide the truth from the public. Lisa Shaffer can choose to lie, manipulate, mislead or otherwise misinform the public with her newsletter but she can't hide the facts which are these-
DeleteThe Kranz Shaffer tax hike is real. Lisa Shaffer is on record of saying she favors a tax increase- that it is a "good Idea" Shaffer is on record of requesting the tax hike be revisited after the election. Kranz is on record that it is a good thing and prudent.
The Shaffer Kranz tax hike is the second biggest issue in the 2014 election
Fact Thrower
OK, ignore the fact that it takes four council ayes to put it on the ballot, and if that ever happened, the voters would shoot it down. This is a democracy, not a dictatorship and, 6:19, you are an idiot!
Delete9:28 no I did not ignore the 4 votes needed. It is you who ignore the facts
Delete1. Shaffer said a tax increase is a "good idea"
2. Kranz said a tax increase is "prudent"
The two said they want to revisit the tax increased AFTER the election.
Why are they waiting - so can try and figure out a way to hoodwink the public, with Vina's spin Doctor, a rutan and tucker like PR firm and wasting taxpayer money.
The record is what the record is.
Fact Thrower
Fact Throwupper, are you inherently stupid, or did somebody hit you over the head with a baseball bat?
DeleteWhat two council members think or want about anything doesn't matter. For a tax increase measure to go to a public vote — Do you get it? A public ballot — four council members have to vote yes.
That's highly unlikely. But if it happen, the voting public would shoot it down at the polls.
So the bottom line is a tax hike ain't gonna happen.
Even your Rutan & Tucker example is stupid. Yes, Vina wasted $50K, but was Prop A defeated at the polls? No! It passed!
Agree, I think a tax hike would be like the third rail right now. They wouldn't go through with it.
DeleteIt's funny, because calling me names like "Kid Alex" expresses immaturity. People usually resort to name calling when they have no logic or reason to bring to the table and can't actually argue the issue.
DeleteLet's discuss the issues because that is the only way that public discourse can ever move forward. But then again, it is the internet, and negative people grow muscles on the internet and post anonymous comments. If you tried name calling any of the candidates at a candidate forum you'd look like a fool. You can do a lot more damage to a candidate if you actually call them out on the issues, than to act immature and call them a name.
Being immature and name calling really does make you "an old, ignorant motherf****r that's so bitter that you've never decided to learn something outside your own sphere and listen to people that are younger than you, because each one teach one."
There are so many old people who are criminals. Look at the Rockefellers. Look at all the people who make money off of war, like Lockheed Martin and General Atomics. The old people that give orders for war crimes, like George Bush and Barack Obama. Zbigniew Brzezinski who helped to train Osama bin Laden in the 80s with the CIA. The list goes on. Age is irrelevant, it is the soul that counts.
9:54- you can call names but you can't deny the facts-
Delete1. Lisa Shaffer is on Record she thinks a tax hike is a "good idea"
2. Kranz is on Record thta a survey to propose a tax hike to "get it on the ballot" is "prudent"
3. Shaffer and Kranz are on record that their proposed tax hike, and the expense of the survey to get it on the ballot should be discussed "after the election" as it had become in Shaffer's words "too political" when discussed in March.
4. The council needs only 3 votes to approve the city manager to engage a survey firm to put the tak hike on the ballot.
5. The only factual estiamte for the cost of the survey and process to put the tax hike on the ballot was near $180,000
6. Shaffer and Kranz will vote to start the tax hike process and survey process.
7. Is there another candidate who also supports the proposed tax hike and teh survey process to put it on the ballot?
Blakespear- oppose or support the proposed tax hike and survey?
Graboi- oppose or support the proposed tax hike and survey?
Cameron- Oppose or support proposed tax hike and survey?
Ziegler- oppose or support proposed tax hike and survey?
Fidel- oppose or support proposed tax hike and survey?
Basanty-oppose or support proposed tax hike and survey?
you might have an extra $180,000 lying around but Encinitas taxpayers don't. Encinitas taxpayers also wish they had the wasted $50,000 on Rutan and Tucker back.
Fact thrower
1:00 - I vehemently OPPOSE the tax hike and survey. Why don't they just stop the spending so they don't need to raise taxes. My focus will be on spending & the role of government, less taxes are a natural consequence of less spending and less intrusive government. Big business looves a big government.
DeleteNOW HEAR THIS: THERE WILL BE NO TAX HIKE!
DeleteFactThrowupper must be the dumbest person in Encinitas.
Dear Alex: I have a question. And it is not meant to be sarcastic or in any way demeaning, it is just a question. Do you think that we, as ordinary citizens, should overthrow the government, be it local or national, and if so, how would we do it? I have read Marx, Malcom X, Tutu, Mandela, so I understand some of your frustration. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteCardiffian
Cardiff jan you haven't posted on your blog in several years... What's up with that??
DeleteCardiffian-
Deletewith all respect the greatest revolutionaries of all time had names like Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Franklin, Madison, Hancock. These brave souls risked hanging in the cause of liberty from tryanny and equality for man. They wrote simple documents called the declaration of independence and the US Constitution- they didn't need hundreds of thousands of pages of legalese to confuse and distract to hoodwink.
They were plain spoken men of vision who wanted th best for their country. For the most part most were men of the Judeo Christian value and ethics of work and morality. They laid the foundation for the greatest nation the world has ever known. No country in the history of the world has given more of it's treasure riches and finances to benefit other countries around the world.
God Bless America- if you are looking for men of faith, equality, morality and leadership look to them.
If there is to be a revolution let it be that we hold these truths self evident, that all men are created equal- and bestowed with gifts. What we do with these gifts is dependent on each individuals talents and abilities- not the government
Right, but we do need government. The problem is the lack of engagement, that's how they were able to raise the pensions. Few cared, and very few were watching.
DeleteNow that the chips are down for most of us, people care. That's the tragedy, that and the fact that the best of us no longer want to run for office.
-MGJ
Cardiffian: I am not a fan of Marx, but I am a fan of Tutu and Mandela. I am not a communist, socialist, fascist, corporatist. Those are all two sides of the same top-down totalitarian coin.
DeleteMalcolm X was about liberty and liberation.
I think that violence is NOT the answer. The government wants us to get violent so that they can implement even more brutal police state measures. The whole city council voted for DHS money, so they're sowing the seeds for martial law. Bryan Ziegler is running to guarantee that. He cites Sarah Palin and the Tea Party on his website. Most libertarians do not identify with the Tea Party.
Right now we have the opportunity to solve things peacefully and with a positive demeanor. We should use such freedom while we still have it. That's why I'm running.
However, I do believe when there is martial law, and elections don't really matter anymore and we live under a military dictatorship, I do believe in legitimate self-defense against mindless fascist soldiers. That's why I support the second amendment, so we have the ability to stand up for ourselves. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. I'm also a big fan of Huey P. Newton.
6:15- Thanks for bringing up the revolutionary spirit of our founding fathers! :) They exhausted all forms of peaceful resolution and by the time the troops came, legitimate self-defense, which was the last resort, became the only resort.
I do not support any violence of any kind because violence is not self-defense. Violence is initiating force, rather than defending yourself against someone else initiating force against you.
On the subject of Marx's stain on history, and how they are two sides of the same coin as corporate fascism: David Rockefeller, an uber rich megabanker who is a big figure at Bilderberg Group meetings, praised Mao Tse Tung's social experiment as a great success. The one that killed 80 million people. If David Rockefeller likes Mao, then communism definitely does not benefit the common man whatsoever.
DeleteAlex - does your parents know your on this blog? You better get permission before they kick you out of their house.
ReplyDelete3:27, Your parents know you ditched English.
DeleteGoogle ad hominem. Character defamation does not count as an argument, and shows you are intellectually unarmed and socially immature. You're like the school bully, you should have asked to take my lunch money too. You may be older than me, but it's sad how immature older people can be just because they are smug against people who are younger than them. Do you treat the young person who is bagging your groceries with such disrespect?
DeleteFYI, I am very well-behaved. I pray 5 times a day. I don't drink alcohol or go to parties. I am charitable. I'm working for world peace, social justice, and to end the two party system at a national level (I used to be an independent journalist for my own media venture, but now I am a producer for a media outlet of an org that will make the two parties obsolete by 2016). I don't get into trouble. I am very positive and spiritual. I care about the environment. I found out that cannabis oil cures cancer, so I'm fighting to make it more readily available for those that need it. I'm really doing a ton of good deeds. Fighting the power is a good deed. Don't exhibit symptoms of political Stockholm Syndrome and show empathy for your slave masters. Not a single one of my positions benefits the ruling class.
Good for you Kid Alex, but you're missing the point. You're a kid! You barely know your ass from a hole in the ground. If age doesn't matter, let's elect my 12-year-old grandson.
DeleteHow does the city manage to kill so many trees?
ReplyDeleteAnother notice -
The Street Maintenance Section will be removing the following trees in the next two weeks.
Location Reason
517 Third Street Dead
211 A Street (2) Dead
920 Third Street Dead
Niedemier - dead!
Delete6:15- I don't know if you are Alex, but my question was not answered. Again, do you think we should overthrow the government, be it local or national, and if so, how do YOU propose we do it/ From your rhetoric, it seems you may have thought about this, so I was wondering if you could share it with us all. Perhaps it is a great idea, but we won't know unless you tell us. What happened in the past is different than how it might be done today. Thank you. Cardiffian
ReplyDeletePlease see my above response as to why peaceful uprising is the only way to go. Violence is the initiation of force, so I don't advocate for initiating the force. The government initiates force.
DeleteI believe in legitimate self-defense, and I think that occurs when tanks saturate the streets and we have martial law, and that is why I advocate for the second amendment, not from a kooky right-wing NRA angle, but from a revolutionary Huey P. Newton angle, so that when martial law happens, we are well-equipped.
However, if we resort to violence, or even self-defense at this point in time, the government will just use it as an excuse to grow the police state. That is why I am running for office because it is a peaceful way to stand up to the establishment before it is too late. I believe that truth is far more powerful a weapon than anything else out there. To speak a word of truth to the face of a tyrant scares them more than anything. As Jefferson said, when people fear government there is tyranny, and when government fears the people there is liberty.
kooky NRA ?
DeleteSo when men break into a house to rape woman, steal belongins and murder our loved ones who is enlightened old wise Alex? The man with a cell phone, unprepared, untrained and unable to protect his family becuase he was hoodwinked into believing a bought and paid for propagandist state run media-
or the many who is legally armed, legally trained and legally prepared to defend himself and his family?
Which of the two would you rather be Alex - dead? or a 'kooky' member of the NRA?
Don't take the bait 12:39pm. Mr. Fidel thrives on this s#!t.
Delete12:39:
DeleteIf you have a gun in your home, it may be used in a legitimate act of self-defense against violent intruders, as you describe.
However, statistically, it is eight times more likely that your gun will be used in an assault or murder of a family member, an accidental shooting, or a suicide. That's not including the probability that your gun will be stolen and used by someone else to commit violent crimes.
Don't attack the messenger (pun intended); them's the facts.
12:39 - I support the 2nd amendment wholeheartedly and support an end to gun control. The current city council voted Yes on Feinstein's gun control legislation before it even passed the Senate. You are completely misinterpreting what I say. It is not good to assume things that aren't there, because I don't see where you can assume that from. I completely agree with your sentiments and encourage firearm ownership by law-abiding individuals to defend themselves from those who wish them harm, including the government (as a last, last, last, last resort, because anything else would encourage them to grow the police state).
DeleteWhat I meant was that I think the NRA does the 2nd amendment argument a disservice by being stereotypes of the right-wing. They also seem like a lobby for the gun industry rather than a lobby for the 2nd amendment right of the individual. I prefer the Gun Owners of America, which Ron Paul called the only no-compromise gun lobby in D.C.
1:18,
DeleteYou know what they say about lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Those stats include only when you actually shoot the intruder, not when you scare them off or hold them for the police by displaying the weapon or firing a warning shot.
When hearing statistics like this, always consider the source and think about what they're not including.
Further reading:
Deletehttp://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx
EU, to add to that, we have a Twilight Zone with stand your ground. An African-American woman fires a warning shot in the ceiling near where an abusive ex-Husband/boyfriend tried to harm her, obviously standing her ground (thus applicable to be protected, we would think), yet she gets a hefty jail sentence and is not protected by stand your ground laws. George Zimmerman, who has since revealed his true nature with his many bouts with the law and a media circus boxing match fiasco, murdered an innocent teen yet was protected by the stand your ground law. It would be nice if those situations had reverse rulings and the lady got off free for rightfully protecting herself.
DeleteDisarmament is the staple of any military dictatorship & genocide, so we also need to think about the agenda of certain statistics. Gun control and police militarization are a package deal.
1:18 BS-
DeleteYou must get your news from the state run propagandists NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, PBS, NY Times and yes- WSJ-
These are the same propagandidst who promoted the lie in 2012 that Al Queda was on the run,- now they are butchering woman, men and children across the middle east and africa- they still call these terrorists 'militants' or 'sunni insurgents'- because in propagandist Obamaland there is no war on terror right? Romeny predicted all of this and he was right.
With regards to guns- every week, and often every day- there are reports across the country of citizens defining themselves and their loved ones and property with the proper use of legally bought guns - including the Bushmaster-
1:18- so answer the question, when men break into a home to rape wives, daughters, steal property and murder who is enlightened- the man with no plan, unprepared and a copy of the NY Times in his hands- or the man who has legally purchased, legally trained and is holding a Bushmaster to defend his family?
FreeEncinitas,
DeleteThe Zimmerman case had nothing to do with "Stand Your Ground."
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2013/07/14/legal-insights-on-the-zimmerman-verdict/
1:55
Delete1. Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman.
2. Trayvon Martin broke George Zimmerman's nose, blackened his eyes and split his skull open requiring 60 stiches from pounding George ZImmerman's head into the pavement.
3. To defend himself from the assualt George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin with a legal weapon he was liensed to carry and he had trained to use in self defense
You are entitled to your opinions, but not to change facts.
NBC news and Brian Williams then edited the tape to make it appear George Zimmeman made a racial statement- when he didn't. The full video and audio was later shown and BNC retracted the story.
ABC news edited video to obscure the wounds on George Zimmermand head at the police station- online media expoed the ABC lie and ABC corrected their video
CNN attempted to make it appear Zimmerman had used the word "coon" CNN later recanted and said teh word Zimmerman used was "Cold"
Trayvon Martin could have walked away that night. Trayon Martin chose not to walk away. Trayvon Martin chose instead to physically assault George Zimmerman. Eye Witnesses testified seeing Trayvon Martin on top of Zimmerman MMA style raining blows upon him and pounding Mr. Zimmerman's head into the pavement.
The outcome was tragic on all side.
1:58 - Al Qaeda & ISIS are funded & armed by the CIA. Romney wouldn't have made a difference as he is a puppet of the same agenda. Our presidents are not elected, they're selected. They have you thinking in terms of two party because it is divide & conquer - have you waste all your energy on a false idol politician, yet electing that person would be no different. Goldman Sachs and the military industrial complex donated practically equally to Obama & Romney. Goldman Sachs were both their #1 donors. It literally is political theater.
DeleteEU - Interesting article. I'm still really disappointed that the lady went to jail when she was legitimately & legally defending herself.
Delete2:07 - According to Zimmerman's testimony. Zimmerman's official story was regurgitated by radio host Stefan Molyneux. Molyneux & I share similar views on libertarianism, but he is notorious for being a rabid sexist & white male apologist, not recognizing that white supremacy is as engrained into our political & justice systems as petroleum is. I then looked at the other side of the story since I don't trust Molyneux. I do the same with Sean Hannity. Zimmerman profiled Martin. When I dress casually sometimes I can look suspicious, especially in the "See Something Say Something" fear-driven society, where people look for stereotypes. One of my intellectual influences is Professor Griff of hip-hop legend Public Enemy, who points out that corporations are responsible for the rise of brainless gangster rappers, who degrade women, glorify criminality, and promote these lifestyles & clothing types that youth are unfortunately flocking to, whereas hip-hop, such as Public Enemy, used to be about fighting the power, social/political consciousness, valuing family & community, respect of women, peace, helping the needy, and more positive things that threatened corporate America, which is why they neutralized it with the pop culture fads we see today in rap music. Even if someone is brainwashed by Lil' Wayne, pre-crime policing & stereotyping is wrong. The Minority Report movie about futuristic pre-crime policing should be a warning, not an instruction manual. I think due process is supreme. If a group is generally persecuted, and black people are not living in a utopia by any means & are routinely persecuted by police (Eric Garner & the recent Ferguson PD murder of an unarmed black teen), then someone like Martin, who lived in the same neighborhood and was just walking home, probably was feeling a bit persecuted when Zimmerman was stalking him and was engaging in stereotyping/pre-crime policing. I think Mumia Abu Jamal is innocent, and I am also a fan of Huey P. Newton and the Black Panther movement (which was purposefully divided up by the FBI's CoIntelPro operations), but the idea of the Black Panthers was arming the community to protect themselves from the racist police officers. Same as Thomas Jefferson & George Washington arming the colonists to defend against the British. Badges do not grant extra rights to oppress people, and legitimate self-defense is justified when police cross the line. Indiscriminate attacks are not. In the present though, I think we should strive for peaceful solutions through speaking truth to power. Legitimate self-defense should be saved for martial law or grand-scale gun confiscation.
DeleteAs per eyewitness reports, I happen to have no faith in the justice system. I think it is just as racist as the percentage of racists in law enforcement. There's a reason why drug use is uniform across all demographics, yet the prisons are mostly filled with minorities. Google Jury Nullification. That is something openly discouraged by the court system, even though it is legal and just if it is to spare a non-violent person. I agree, the outcome was tragic on all sides. Martin may have not been in the complete right, though I understand what happens when people are frustrated by racial persecution by authority figures, but I don't take Zimmerman's word as exact.
3:33- George Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch leader because the police could no longer protect the neighborhood. The police could not protect the neighborhood because tax money to the police department that was supposed to protect the neighborhood was instead spent on pensions.
DeleteAs a neighborhood watch leader it was wise Zimmerman would follow any unknown individual he encountered in the neighborhood- it is common sense, blaming George Zimmerman for the beat down he received by Trayvon Martin is wrong
More guns equals more gun deaths. Period. The statement holds true whether comparing similar countries, or states.
DeleteInteresting that you ridiculed every major news source with the exception of the National Enquirer, Entertainment Weekly, and Fox News (all equally esteemed, BTW). No, the source is Harvard University. Cue the forces of ignorance--those who want our science classes to teach a 6000 year old earth.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
4:21 wrong! more violence might equal more gun deaths- but the old saying is a fact- guns don't kill people, people kill people.
DeleteSo answer the question- men break into your house, they are there to rape your wife, rape your daughters, steal your property and murder your family-
who is enlightend, the man holding the NY times in his hands who is unprepared, untrained and unarmed?
Or the man who legally purchased, legally trained, legally stored and is legally armed with a Bushmaster to defend his daughters, his wife, his property and his life?
Sorry, Mumia is guilty.......
Delete5:24- thank you for proving my point- guns don't kill people - people kill people.
DeleteDrinking leads to a fight- not the guns fault
people accidentally fire a gun - not the guns fault
kids break into a gun cabinet- not the guns fault
By your logic we should ban humans- not guns
The answer to the question when men break into your house to rape your daughters and wife in front of you the enightened man is the one who prepared- legally armed, legally trained and legally prepared to defend himself with a gun-
Good luck defending your wife and daughter waving your Harvard Report - I will be firing my Bushmaster-
Guranteed the rapists will have more fun at your place than mine
6:46,
DeleteWe both want out families to be safe.
You choose to have a gun around to defend against a very rare threat. Fine. That's your call.
I choose not to have one.
Statistically, you and your family are more likely to be murdered.
That's the ironic truth.
7:31 Well said. There are more accidents, murders and suicides by people who have a gun in their home. Rarely, will it ever be used to protect from an intruder.
DeleteMost of the cases are family related due to anger, fights among family members, depression and the list goes on.
I will not have a gun in my home. There are other ways to protect yourself. Martial arts and self defense techniques can do wonders to an uninvited person in your home.
8:55 wrong
DeleteAccording to research there are over 760,000 reported incidents of DGU's (Defensive gun use) every year.
A few quick examples- January 9 2013- man used gun to protect himself and son from intruders. Jan 9 Georgia mom uses 38 to shoot home invader, Jan 9 2013- 15 year old boy uses AR 15 to stop home intruder, Jan 15, 2013- homeowner in Miami uses gun to stop home robbery, Feb 15, 2013- two woman use gun to stop would be rapist in Myrtle Beach, Feb 16 New Mexico 24 year old pregnant woman being beaten is saved my nam using gun, Feb 2014 detroit mom uses assualt rifle to ward off armed intruder-
According to the FBI more people are killed with clubs and hammers then rifles
2005 445 deaths by rifles, 605 by clubs
2006 438- rifles, 618 hammers and clubs
2011- 323 rifles, 496 hammers and clubs
As you can see, your claim the rarley will it ever be used is more propagandist misinformation.
I have a gun in my home, purchased and stored legally, prepared and ready to use. The barrel of a gun has proven to be a self defense technqiue that works wonders.
"According to research. . ."
DeleteWow. Case closed. Who can argue with that?
I appologize. I thought we were talking about guns, not just one small subset, rifles.
10:00 I see you believe in self-defense with a NY Times- good luck with that -
DeleteJohn Lott's book and research 'More Guns, Less crime' puts DGU's (Defensive gun use - ask yourself, is this the first you are hearing of this term, and if so why are you just hearing it now, on Encinitas Undercover- is the propagandist press keeping it from you) at 760,000 annually or 14,605 a week. In research Prof Gary Kleck of Florida State told Business week in an article that his research put it at 2 million annually- the same business week article cited a Harvard Professor Hemenway who talked down the reported DGU's making excuses that many reports of DGU's were exagerrations (how he came up with the is debatable) but even Hemenway put the number of annual DGU's at over 100,000, that of course would mean DGU's happen at a rate of 270 per day, that is is right, per day, across the country. Business week went on the say their estimate of 250,000-300,000 DGU's annually.
Wow, argue with that, 4 estimates from 4 different sources all painting the same picture DGU's happen every day in America- not rarely as CNN and the NY Times would want us to believe
7:29 nice try, when facts and data don't support your erroneous opinion attempt to distract. Glad to see talk of DGU's is finally being talked about- most people have never heard of it- Piers 'I lost my show for being a blowhard' Morgan doesn't like to talk about it.
DeleteAnother quantifable truth- when men break into your house to rape your wife and daughters, steal your belongings and murder you the enligthened man is the one holding a gun he legally purchased, trained and is prepared to use. The unenlightened man is the one waving the NY Times, the Harvard report or the paper chart of Mark Ried-
So, using your low end estimate of 50,000 a year that would mean there are more than 136 Defensive Gun Uses a day in America-
136 DGU's a day- hardly a rare occurence
Hmmm. Let's see.
DeleteIn a nation of roughly 300M people, an occurrence that happens at a rate of 136 per day. That means on average you'd have to wait 6043 years to experience it--less if you live in a low crime area like Encinitas.
Yup. I'd call that rare.
Sorry, "more" if you live . . .
Delete8:33 Nice try-
Delete50 states in the USA- accroding your end estimate of 50,000 DGU's = 136 daily that would equal more than 2 DGU's in each state every day. Using the high end estimate of the business week article of 300,000 DGU's annully the daily rate would equal 16.4 each day in all 50 states for total daily DGU of 821 daily
They simply are not reported in the media-
Conveinent for you to ignroe the few quick examples someone provided of residents using guns to defend themselved- bet they are glad they had their guns and not the NY Times
I ignored them because anecdotal evidence doesn't disprove statistical evidence.
DeleteExample: Statistically, fatal shark attacks are very rare. You are much more likely to die in a car accident on your way to the beach. Posting a couple of articles documenting fatal shark attacks does nothing to disprove the claim of rarity, nor the underlying statistics that support the claim.
People with a good education have a simpler one word explanation: hackery.
9:15- by your own statistics you acknoweldge the low end estimate of 50,000 DGU's annually. This is 136 DGU's daily in 50 states. That would average to more than 2 DGU's daily in each state- you then ridiculously say DGU's are rare- while admitting they happen 136 times a day across the country-
Deleteto throw truth seekers of the scent you throw in the rarity of shark attacks- of coursea we all know there are not 50,000 shark attacks a year, or 136 shark attacks a day
Good luck defending your wife, daughter and family with that rolled up NY Times- if you are successful beating off the rapists using the NY times editorial page that in fact would be truly rare-
DGU's on the other hand are not rare- they happen every day - s the examples provided show.
Hey man, if you want to weaponize your home to defend against an event that could happen to you every 6046 years, more power to you.
DeleteIf you want to call that a common event, who am I to change your mind?
Other readers of this thread can make their own judgement.
Bye bye.
10:52 yes, readers can make up their own mind with the new information that
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1. Defensive gun use is used 136 times a day to protect lives
What is a more effective tool to protect you and your family from violent criminals-
a. the editorial page of the NY Times
b. A statistical report from Harvard
c. A loaded weapon you legally puchased, stored and trained to use for an unfortunate event
I choose C
bye-bye
I am 6:15 Cardiffian- I am no fan of Marx or Malcom X-
ReplyDeleteThe third party is always the hardest. After two parties I'm pretty much done with the night.
ReplyDeleteThird party pooper.
ReplyDeleteI have the official dis-approval of former Republican Mayor Jerome Stocks. He took a swipe at me in the comments section of a blog at SD Rostra, a love fest for fascist Republicans (like Bonnie Dumanis who loves to send SWAT teams after old retired couples who use cannabis so they aren't wheelchair bound).
ReplyDeleteI couldn't be more delighted at such a stark disapproval. Especially since the internet gives negative people muscles they otherwise wouldn't have in real life, my guess is that I make him feel insecure. He and the SD GOP back Gaspar and $122K a year Ziegler (whose only policy seems to advance a growing police state). Ziegler reveres Sarah Palin and the Tea Party (most libertarians do not identify with the tea party, according to a recent Reuters poll), while I revere Malcolm X, Huey Newton, Ron Paul, and Dennis Kucinich. Revolution is on the way! And it's peaceful, because they fear the truth more than anything else. Or what Ghandi called satyagraha. :)
The comment was later deleted. But glad he has an eye one me! ;)
DeleteHe's a self-important little elf, isn't he?
Delete$tock$ is still trying to deal with his big loss from council. He still thinks he is important, but the fact is, there are so many that are happy he is no longer in the leadership role to throw his arrogance around.
DeleteHe has a bad habit of putting any one down that disagrees with his way of thinking. He believes that he is all knowing, all mighty and he thinks people still listen to him. Some probably do like his friend GASpar and Muir --- what a mistake they are making for aligning themselves with this fool.
$tock$ is history and a bad memory for this city.
I applaud your honesty and putting yourself out there Alex. Do not let any one tell you that you can not achieve what you want. I wish you the best and you have my vote.
Thank you very much 1:57! :) I hate to be an ad hominem name caller, but man from his photo, just looks like he oozes so much sleaze you'd slip & fall on the floor of you stood next to him! XD
DeleteNow there's the kind of comment that would put an Encinitas Mayor on the map. Grow up, Alex.
Delete5:55 Alex calls it likes he sees it. I'm in total agreement with his assessment of FORMER MAYOR $tock$.
Delete6:32, But you have the brains to be anonymous.
Delete11:21 Pointing my finger back at you (anonymous).
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Me too
ReplyDeleteWe support you Alex!
ReplyDeleteYou have to sign up to read the Coast News and frankly, I wouldn't waste my time.
ReplyDeleteYes, excellent commentary. The Coast News is something we can rely on for information outside the papa Manchester party line.
ReplyDeleteYou know who the largest seller of Guns is in the world? USA.
ReplyDeleteYet your current president wants to ban them from its own citizens. the president gives them free automatic weapons to extremist islamic terrorists who claim they like USA for one day. Then they broadcast on their propaganda channels that they are surprised when the extremists use the weapons on the USA and they we must invade their nation.
Its by design. Weapons, killing and destruction are big business and there are big profits to be made.
I wish there was a ban on guns. We are not living in the wild, wild west Bill Hitchcock days. There needs to be more civility and it doesn't include killing each other with guns.
DeleteKeep on wishing! and you probably want to throw a few more wishes out there.
DeleteGuns are just one of many weapons that crazy humans use to annihilate other creators. If guns were ban there would be no change.
Drugs are ban and prostitution is ban….. no impact.
The real issue is humans have not evolved to the point of civility where its not all about power struggles and killing each other.
If it weren't guns, it would be bombs, lasers, crossbows or poison darts. Humans are just flat out crazy.
While your at it, why don't you wish for banning wars and see how that turns out.
I have a better one. Ban violence and wish for world peace. Ha!
The ISIL captured billions of dollars worth of armaments when the phoney Iraqi army turned and ran. Now they are as well equipped as the puppet government's "military". the US responds by bombing the militants and sending billions of additional weaponry into the frey - it too will probably be captured and spread amongst the radical groups. assuring carnage for years to come. The USA is a war-mongering country, the special interests making a fortune by spreading implements of death and destruction around the globe. Human rights - more like profit first and foremost.
DeleteObama and Hillary were running guns thru Libya to Syrian rebels- that is why muslim terorrists attacked the embassy and murdered our Ambassasdor raising the black flag of muslim jihadi hate over the consulate. Obama and Hillary then lied blaming a video. The state propagandists NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN NY TImes, USA Today all blamed a video (just like today's illegal immigrants are now called 'refugees') They then promoted the lie to re-elect Obama that AQ is on the run
DeleteWho can forget Candy Crowley and CNN in the pre-staged and rigged debate lying to america, and apologizing the next day- after the lie had been told and re-told "Get the transcript candidate" For that Crowley got a new contract and her own show "State of the Propagandist"
Today's WSJ and NY Times are both attempting to rehabilititate Hillary Clinton as being the most prepared foreighn policy presidential candidate since Bush 1 who led the CIA for a while- really, Hillary- responsible for failures and genocidal deaths around the globe-
ps- not a single survivor of Benghazi- more than 20, have been allowed to talk to the press or testify before congress- Obama has silenced them-
10:32 then we better ban clubs and hammers- they kill more people every year then so called assault rifles. We also better ban cars- drunk drivers killed 9,878 people in 2012, gusn killed 8,583
Delete8:10 I would love to see your stats that clubs and hammers kill more people than guns (and we are not talking about assault rifles).
DeleteEasy to say something, but let's see your back up.
5:06 perhaps you might consider investing in a reading comprehension course.
Delete"we better ban clubs and hammers - they kill more people every year then so called assault rifles"
2011- all rifle deaths 323, all deaths from clubs and hammers 496 (the number of deaths from so called assault rifles was far less)
Site a specific website for your resource. Your words with numbers means nothing at all.
Delete2012 all deaths by hand guns 847; all deaths by clubs and hammers 214.
Delete6:27 FBI Stats-
Delete2011 deaths by all rifles 323 deaths by clubs and hammers 496
847 by handgun and 323 by rifle in a country of more than 300 million?
DeleteThat's rarer than rare. So what's everybody got their panties in such a wad about guns for? You'd be much better off banning motorcycles and swimming pools.
EU I was playing their game. Making up numbers. It was fun.
DeleteThe population of the US is 315 million plus.
Delete8:45 you were the only ones making up numbers- therefore you were the only one lying-
DeleteOh not so 10:00. Your figures are inaccurate.
DeleteThe stats are from the FBI- take it up with them . The Business week article quoted is there for all to see. I'd tell you to buy a clue but most likley robbers stole all your money while you were reading your Harvard report
Delete11:35 Please post the link to the article you are referring to. Would appreciate reading it.
Deletegood point and great video…. definitely a must watch!
ReplyDeleteCan you say stock market crash!
Shoot, I was going to comment on some stuff, but I forgot my tinfoil hat!
ReplyDeleteIt's ok, feel free to anyway. We'll accept Saran Wrap...
DeleteNews out of Ferguson Missouri is property and business owners are protecting their liberty and property with legal AR 15 defense rifles. No news yet how the store owners protecting their property with the NY Times editorial page are making out.
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