And this blog represents how many citizens of Encinitas? Not that many when you consider there are almost 40,000 registered voters in Encinitas. So how do you know the council isn't representing what a majority of Encinitas residents want, they just don't comment on this blog.
residents don't want to waste money on survey's- when they become informed they are angry
residents don't want the city manager to hide financial data from the public, when they become informed they become angry
residents don't want to sepnd $10M for a property that appraises for 4.5M, when they become informed they are angry
REsidents don't want the city doing shoddy work at the park, or denying there are life threatening toxic wasate at the hall park running into the lagoon- when they become informed they become angry
You sounds liek Dirty Dan I pled guilty to the DA Dalager who rightly said as along as people think the lights are on and the roads are fixed they'll never come to city hall- so waht the heck, I can take $100K loans from developers or darn near free kitchens and not report them
or then there is Jerome Midnight Stocks- who said hey, I'll raise pensions 35% and reward my buddies Cotton and Muir
Let's face it 4:13- you would rather keep the public in the dark and pick their pockets rather than inform your neighors to the truths and facts of Encinitas city hall.
The Central Problem that is the focus of this blog?
Everybody wants 'what they want, when they want it'.
A sense of powerless has opened up within us to reveal a deep reservoir of anger, not just here, but throughout the country: but the simple facts are, whether you choose to accept them or not, is that the annual survey, the same one run in dozens of cities throughout the county and Southern California that recorded the fact that a vast majority, well over 90% of those surveyed, were very happy with their city and their city leadership.
The key question you should be asking: are you capable of being happy or at peace. Are you?
While I understand 'why' you hate that fact of, and the very idea of the survey, local people work hard and they don't believe they need to expend the kind of time and energy that the people who post on this blog demand. Why? Because they are happy. And that fact infuriates you.
This entire blog depends on a sense of victimology. Is it necessary? Absolutely.
Part of the very real problem is that this very blog helped get the current majority elected: people actively 'listened' to you, and what happened?
Your candidates won! And, you were dead wrong about them. Weren't you?
And now, in retrospect, everyone who listened to you posters here at EU know that you all were wrong. The candidates you promoted turned out to be duds, or worse.
Now: you want the public to believe that you know more or better than they: and while Julie might be a great person, she doesn't have a history of leading and succeeding and NO Prop A doesn't count for most people. You might want to make it a litmus test, but nobody else does.
Worse, you are now promoting Encinitas' own Nixon, on a Bad Hair Day for reelection: why should anybody believe you posters know what you are talking about when you are reduced to this?
When it really counted, in the last election, you 'crapped out', as they say in Vegas.
I know, you insist somebody has to pay for what has happened to you: someone besides yourself is responsible for what has happened to all your promise. They must be!
But, the readers of these posts here know the truth, you are responsible for your own plight and while that is painful to admit: a couple of days, weeks or months after the next election, assuming your candidates have been elected, we'll be right back to where you are right now: unsatisfied with your local leaders, whether elected or appointed. Calling for their political blood.
Unless you throw your own hat in the ring and attempt to rectify or solve this city's challenges that you've identified, you'll NEVER understand the true problems, nor be satisfied. Because that is called 'growing up'. Its a very hard thing to succeed at. Many many of us don't even try.
Its so much easier to expect someone 'else' to please you.
All the council people we have elected in three decades are equally imperfect: sure, some 'appear' worse than others and some are more actualized than others: but 'transferring' all your self-hatred onto our elected officials might be an American Tradition or human nature, but the true problem is that you 'want what you want when you want it'.
And you will never get it: or if you do, it will prove fleeting, brief and in the long run, unsatisfying to you.
Keep up the good work, WC: as for the posters here, might I suggest you read The Wisdom of Crowds or The Lonely Crowd, you might, I repeat, might, learn something that will bring you some peace. And, even better, happiness.
5:38 You reveal yourself to be a paid political operative- quite possibly you are Marlena Medford being paid tax dollars to put forth propaganda-
What gave it away was your reference of surveys being postive indicators-
We, including the vast majority of residents, know these surveys are crap, they are an obscene waste of taxpayer money. Barth calls them "feel good" and Gaspar and Stocks use them to elect themselves-
Try as you might you can argue the facts-
residents ran dirty Dan Dalager out of town ending his quid pro quo with builders
residents ran Jerome mid-night Stocks out of town ending his give away of tax dollars and mismanagement of teh city
residents passed prop A ending the council's control over zoning changes
residents defeated the city at Desert Rose, the Hall Park EIR and the Nichols road report- all to the benefit of residents
residents stopped the suggested waste of nearly $180,000 on teh Lew Edwards tax hike
residents forced the city implement more restrictive density reduction measures-
angry? no. Participating in their liberty- yes.
In your world apparently people should blindly trust and follow the government on their road to financial ruin- don't expect smart people to join you
4:58 you might consider investing in a reading comprehension course-
when residents become informed of the waste of taxpayer money, inside deals and failed leadership at city hall they become angry- What- you need facts- because you have none?
1. Desert Rose- had to suit Barth Shaffer and Kranz to protect their safety and quality of life
2. Cardiff- Residents had to sue the city over the Hall park to protect safety and health
3. Angry residents voted Dirty Dan and his back room deals out of office
4. Angry voters voted Jerome Midnight stocks out of office
5. Angry voters passed prop A to take control away from an abusive city council and city manager-
Peace is action, vitimization is blindly followign failed leaders
oh yea- angry voters ran Barth out of town, her inaction at rossini Creek caused her to lose the majority of voters in Cardiff- she was exposed for who she is- a failure
5:38 Sedate the voice of reason - quick! The masses are beginning to wake up and it could be uncomfortable for you. Your Masters will be displeased that you failed at your ploy of deception.
A perfect example of group think 5:55 PM. You disagree with 5:38 PM, therefore it must be written by a plant, one of the bad guys. Dismiss it out of hand. How could someone here not agree with your "sweet" reason. This is either arrogance or stupidity Maybe both.
6:02, they only voted Jerome out after what, 3 terms in office, with two terms for Dallager? That doesn't exactly prove a point about the electorate rising up in anger.
I actually think the anger comes from a myriad of sources, rapid change, job loss for older workers, potential of higher taxes and fees, increased gentrification, stagnant wages.
This kind of anger wasn't around in 1998 when Real estate was cheaper, jobs were plentiful, and people were cashing in stock options.
Plus don't forget the bottom line: People will say anything to one another under the cover of anonymity on the web.
I have to disagree with the one of the basic premises behind 5:38's argument, which is that this blog helped get Lisa and Tony elected. That's a little bit too broad.
It may have been one piece of the puzzle, but that's it.There are a lot of factors involved in winning an election, like is it an on or off year election, how much money is raised, how motivated is the election team, who was endorsed by who as well as how prepared the candidates are. There are many more.
Lisa ran a great campaign, and carried Tony in with her. Jerome was caught being an ass right before the election, and there was footage. That and his own attitude, plus a generally negative view of him in the electorate helped put him out of office.
You never know what a candidate will be like until they get in office, so you'll never be totally happy if you expect 100%. That said, I still think Julie's the best candidate for council.
I'm still in for Tony as Mayor, Sheila is too divisive a figure at this point and too much time has passed...
7:55 no in the community supports the Kranz Shaffer proposed tax hike. When citizens learn Shaffer Kranz yet again want to spend more money on "survey's" they hit the wall
just how much money is Shaffer Kranz going to throw away?
Residents know the 1.3M for MIG was a waste Residents know the 66,000 for True North is a waste Residents know $180,000 for Lew Edwards would be a waste
The group think with residents is stop wasting our tax dollars. stop destroying our community character and quality of life, stop putting the democratic and republican parties of North County before the residents and taxpayers of Encinitas.
Now we know why the city hired a spin doctor- to promote dog park community segregation and infill density projects
Gaspar's campaign is biding their time. It will be a major blitz in the last moments before the election. Voters memories are short, so catch them at the crucial final moments before the election. Also, there will be no time for Kranz to expose her developer backers or refute her propaganda. The Gasbag probably will win it....
5:38 Don't worry, be happy! If a long string of actions are unsatisfactory, just accept them. Don't disagree or protest or do anything that takes standing up for what's right. If 5:38 were in Boston in 1773, he/she would have said, "Be happy to pay the tea tax!" And if 5:38 were still around in 1780, he/she would have said, "What? That Benedict Arnold is a great guy!"
Medford doesn't get paid $135k, you just make yourself look like maroon with comments like that. Of course the election comes down to the end, that's when the hit pieces come out, the mailers, the out of town money.
Sheila's not in it, although she could be a spoiler. You should stand up, but what that means is actively campaigning and helping Julie Graboi, not just meandering on a blog. Get on it, 11:43....
11:43's first point was that citizens should protest injustice and malfeasance. His/her second point was that citizens were hoodwinked by a set-upon council remember who was re-elected in 2010 and then joined two council members who were elected in 2012 in breaking promises, misrepresenting their true views while campaigning, and betraying those who voted for them.
8:05 Don't be arrogant and presumptuous. 11:43 is on Julie's team.
There should be term limits for all council members. I can not believe that we kept James Bond and Jerome Stocks on as long as we did. I think that would solve some of these problems that people have with the council.
Four years on the council is long enough. If you can't make a difference, then be gone, and let some one else give it a try.
What do you think of district representatives on council?
Think: one council seat each for Cardiff, Olivenhein, new enc, old enc, and leucadia. The mayor would be elected at large (by a vote of the whole community), and one more at large seat to keep an odd number (no tie votes).
Would that structure improve things? You'd have a specific rep more accountable to your district.
Gotta love how any voice of reason, ala 5:38, is quickly accused of being Andreen, Stocks, Marco, Medford, etc. It's such child's play to hang presumed identities on anonymous posters in an effort to discredit them or otherwise suggest they are an operative of interests other than their own.
There are a great many of us who occasionally tap into this blog, without posting, just for the comedy of the paranoia. "You don't agree with the conspiracy theories, then you are obviously Marlene Medford" or other such nonsense. I very rarely post but I do so tonight to simply applaud 5:38 for calling out the perpetually unhappy curmudgeons.... We all know there is no pleasing you.
No doubt some of you think I must be involved with city hall, politics, development, etc. Nope. Just a long time Encinitas resident, parent, liberal, surfer, and small business owner who is stoked on our town. Sure, there's always room for improvement at city hall but 80% of the posters on here make me wonder why they don't move elsewhere.
How about one day per year - just one day out of 365 - of amnesty on the blog where everyone posts only positive things about our town. I'm willing to bet most of you serial posters would be dumbstruck with writer's block. Anyway, sorry for the interruption.... My content neighbors and I will sit back now and chuckle at the comedy. Let the angst continue!
Ok, so you're a business owner. Are you a business owner opposed to Prop A in the hopes that one day you could turn your enterprise into real estate gold? Are you among those who are afraid of getting out of lockstep with DEMA? Are you one who thinks that the multiple roundabouts planned for Leucadia that will further slow traffic will somehow help your sales because drivers will get frustrated by the crawling pace and decide to pull over and go shopping instead of straight home (some believe that)?
Residents passed Prop A to defend against an abusive council to protect the small town you claim to love
Residents sued the city and won to protect the safety and environment you claim to love
Residents sued the city to compell an EIR resulting in cancerous toxics being cleaned up at the hall park to protect the kids and pets of the town you claim to love
Residents stopped the Shaffer Kranz proposed tax hike to protect the financial well being of the families of the town you claim to love
Residents forced an abusive council and staff to enact density bonus restrictions to protect the neighborhoods of the families of the town you claim to love
when pu in that context a grateful person would be thanking so who take action without a profit motive to the benefit of their communities- it is called civics
or is it possible you are an inisde crony seeking a hand out at city hall? or just a lazy person sucking off the hard work of others-
enjoy the small town you love- others have worked to provide it for you-
Ouch! 10:27 AM struck some nerves. We are an unhappy lot aren't we. And the profanity. How you derive "Elitist snob" from that post is beyond me. Don't agree, fine but elitist snob? That's a reach.
The only thing 10:27 did was to challenge the group think mentality here. Good for her/him.
10:27, and 5:38 just threw a little sunlight on the closed-loop, negative feedback cycle of crazy, paranoid, and angry that has come to dominate the blog.
I welcome it.
We are all fortunate to live here. Not 20 years ago, not 30 years ago--now. Encinitas is a great place today. I believe Encinitas will be a great place in the future. Not just because of what we block, defeat, and destroy--but because of what we build, create, and change as well.
I guess the Clinton reference had a point but it was quite a reach. Maybe you were trying to pigeonhole me but you're way off base. The point of discussion is to try to influence how others think. Or do you just comment here to impress people?
After a week of being unpluged in Big Sur I come back to this city and plug in and I see that nothing has changed here.
5:38 has exposed the hate vacuume that dominates this blog. I have to agree with him/her and with 10:27.
Get out and unplug from this hate machine for awhile and you will feel so much better. Some of you take yourself and opinions way too seriously. Some of you have totally lost the plot.
On the way back we stayed in Pismo and I watched their version of council meetings. The citizens with oposing views on issues in there city were much more civil and respectful to each other than our local tribe is to each other.
No, I'm not Mikey, Vina, Marlena or any of the other usual suspects.
Maybe their city council treated their citizens with respect and listened to their opinions and ideas. Makes a world of difference when you have a council who actually works for the citizens who pay their salaries rather than trying to leave a legacy while in office or collect government pension.
Not at all. If you could point toward anything significant they've done toward their campaign promises of community character, open government, integrity, and fiscal responsibility, we'd be obliged.
Those issues are not specific to this or any blog, but promises from the candidates themselves.
And, while you're at it, if you could read the links in the "Encinitas Government 101" section at the left, and explain how those issues are only of concern to readers of a blog, that would be helpful.
That depends on who's view you're representing or courting doesn't it?
The Park and the PV issues for example.
I am for the park and against the school property decisions even with the fact my kids have grown up without a chance to enjoy it like we all thought would happen ten years ago I still support the decision and it's investment for the community.
The school decision is insane and I think it will be another ten years or more for us to see anything resembling what people are advocating for.
4:55- There you have it. I think the $60,000,000 Regional Sport Park and the future $4,000,000 lifeguard tower, and $25,000,000 coastal welfare art / low income shelter are all a total waste of funds that should have been used for other needed projects. I am talking total costs, not the crappy fake costs that staff loves to quote in recent staff reports.
Past and current councils are clueless along with the backward ass City Manager. This town needs city hall enema.
Why does the Enc city council do the opposite of what the citizens want?? Because they can. Because no one confronts them for their idiocy. No one bangs pots, no one follows them home to tell them how stupid they are with the decisions they make. Re- elected they feel powerful. But most Importantly the voters in this city are fools, morons, rubes. They elect a woman dressed as a super hero..... Need I say more. I'm sure the day will come when these voters elect someone dressed as a clown or worse yet someone dressed as a jackass. Honk if you vote for a superhero.....
Wrong, plenty of people confront them for their "idiocy," but apparently 9:40 isn't among them because if you were, you wouldn't have asserted that "no one confronts them . . ."
And this blog represents how many citizens of Encinitas? Not that many when you consider there are almost 40,000 registered voters in Encinitas. So how do you know the council isn't representing what a majority of Encinitas residents want, they just don't comment on this blog.
ReplyDeleteAren't we being a bit presumptuous?
4:13
ReplyDeleteresidents don't want to waste money on survey's- when they become informed they are angry
residents don't want the city manager to hide financial data from the public, when they become informed they become angry
residents don't want to sepnd $10M for a property that appraises for 4.5M, when they become informed they are angry
REsidents don't want the city doing shoddy work at the park, or denying there are life threatening toxic wasate at the hall park running into the lagoon- when they become informed they become angry
You sounds liek Dirty Dan I pled guilty to the DA Dalager who rightly said as along as people think the lights are on and the roads are fixed they'll never come to city hall- so waht the heck, I can take $100K loans from developers or darn near free kitchens and not report them
or then there is Jerome Midnight Stocks- who said hey, I'll raise pensions 35% and reward my buddies Cotton and Muir
Let's face it 4:13- you would rather keep the public in the dark and pick their pockets rather than inform your neighors to the truths and facts of Encinitas city hall.
4:44, you live in a very dark place. Go outside. Some fresh air and sunshine would do you a world of good.
DeleteMost voters don't conclude every thought with "angry."
I'm not 4:13, but I agree with 4:13 100%
It would be better to lead with why do they not do what "I and some other people want". Often what people want is a conflict in and of itself.
DeleteExample: A lot of people probably want the Hall Park, but I bet you they don't want higher fees or taxes to pay for it.
Maybe it would be more accurate to say why does the council propose things I don't want to pay for.
What people want is always going to be a thorny question....
The Central Problem that is the focus of this blog?
DeleteEverybody wants 'what they want, when they want it'.
A sense of powerless has opened up within us to reveal a deep reservoir of anger, not just here, but throughout the country: but the simple facts are, whether you choose to accept them or not, is that the annual survey, the same one run in dozens of cities throughout the county and Southern California that recorded the fact that a vast majority, well over 90% of those surveyed, were very happy with their city and their city leadership.
The key question you should be asking: are you capable of being happy or at peace. Are you?
While I understand 'why' you hate that fact of, and the very idea of the survey, local people work hard and they don't believe they need to expend the kind of time and energy that the people who post on this blog demand. Why? Because they are happy. And that fact infuriates you.
This entire blog depends on a sense of victimology. Is it necessary? Absolutely.
Part of the very real problem is that this very blog helped get the current majority elected: people actively 'listened' to you, and what happened?
Your candidates won! And, you were dead wrong about them. Weren't you?
And now, in retrospect, everyone who listened to you posters here at EU know that you all were wrong. The candidates you promoted turned out to be duds, or worse.
Now: you want the public to believe that you know more or better than they: and while Julie might be a great person, she doesn't have a history of leading and succeeding and NO Prop A doesn't count for most people. You might want to make it a litmus test, but nobody else does.
Worse, you are now promoting Encinitas' own Nixon, on a Bad Hair Day for reelection: why should anybody believe you posters know what you are talking about when you are reduced to this?
When it really counted, in the last election, you 'crapped out', as they say in Vegas.
I know, you insist somebody has to pay for what has happened to you: someone besides yourself is responsible for what has happened to all your promise. They must be!
But, the readers of these posts here know the truth, you are responsible for your own plight and while that is painful to admit: a couple of days, weeks or months after the next election, assuming your candidates have been elected, we'll be right back to where you are right now: unsatisfied with your local leaders, whether elected or appointed. Calling for their political blood.
Unless you throw your own hat in the ring and attempt to rectify or solve this city's challenges that you've identified, you'll NEVER understand the true problems, nor be satisfied. Because that is called 'growing up'. Its a very hard thing to succeed at. Many many of us don't even try.
Its so much easier to expect someone 'else' to please you.
All the council people we have elected in three decades are equally imperfect: sure, some 'appear' worse than others and some are more actualized than others: but 'transferring' all your self-hatred onto our elected officials might be an American Tradition or human nature, but the true problem is that you 'want what you want when you want it'.
And you will never get it: or if you do, it will prove fleeting, brief and in the long run, unsatisfying to you.
Keep up the good work, WC: as for the posters here, might I suggest you read The Wisdom of Crowds or The Lonely Crowd, you might, I repeat, might, learn something that will bring you some peace. And, even better, happiness.
Peace.
Wow, 5:38, there's an analysis for you! Now I realize that George W. Bush was my fault!
Deletehahaha - I thought George was my fault!!!
Delete5:38 You reveal yourself to be a paid political operative- quite possibly you are Marlena Medford being paid tax dollars to put forth propaganda-
DeleteWhat gave it away was your reference of surveys being postive indicators-
We, including the vast majority of residents, know these surveys are crap, they are an obscene waste of taxpayer money. Barth calls them "feel good" and Gaspar and Stocks use them to elect themselves-
Try as you might you can argue the facts-
residents ran dirty Dan Dalager out of town ending his quid pro quo with builders
residents ran Jerome mid-night Stocks out of town ending his give away of tax dollars and mismanagement of teh city
residents passed prop A ending the council's control over zoning changes
residents defeated the city at Desert Rose, the Hall Park EIR and the Nichols road report- all to the benefit of residents
residents stopped the suggested waste of nearly $180,000 on teh Lew Edwards tax hike
residents forced the city implement more restrictive density reduction measures-
angry? no. Participating in their liberty- yes.
In your world apparently people should blindly trust and follow the government on their road to financial ruin- don't expect smart people to join you
Great reply - right on!
Delete4:58 you might consider investing in a reading comprehension course-
Deletewhen residents become informed of the waste of taxpayer money, inside deals and failed leadership at city hall they become angry-
What- you need facts- because you have none?
1. Desert Rose- had to suit Barth Shaffer and Kranz to protect their safety and quality of life
2. Cardiff- Residents had to sue the city over the Hall park to protect safety and health
3. Angry residents voted Dirty Dan and his back room deals out of office
4. Angry voters voted Jerome Midnight stocks out of office
5. Angry voters passed prop A to take control away from an abusive city council and city manager-
Peace is action, vitimization is blindly followign failed leaders
oh yea- angry voters ran Barth out of town, her inaction at rossini Creek caused her to lose the majority of voters in Cardiff- she was exposed for who she is- a failure
5:38 Sedate the voice of reason - quick! The masses are beginning to wake up and it could be uncomfortable for you. Your Masters will be displeased that you failed at your ploy of deception.
Delete5:38 sounds very like $tock$ lap dog Mikey Andreen.
Delete5:38 search where you may find a wrench in the works of your thought process.
DeleteA perfect example of group think 5:55 PM. You disagree with 5:38 PM, therefore it must be written by a plant, one of the bad guys. Dismiss it out of hand. How could someone here not agree with your "sweet" reason. This is either arrogance or stupidity Maybe both.
DeleteSo it's true. Scripted plant outed. Sweeeeet!
DeleteThe Marlena Medford is trolling this blog legend lives on.
Delete6:02, they only voted Jerome out after what, 3 terms in office, with two terms for Dallager? That doesn't exactly prove a point about the electorate rising up in anger.
DeleteI actually think the anger comes from a myriad of sources, rapid change, job loss for older workers, potential of higher taxes and fees, increased gentrification, stagnant wages.
This kind of anger wasn't around in 1998 when Real estate was cheaper, jobs were plentiful, and people were cashing in stock options.
Plus don't forget the bottom line: People will say anything to one another under the cover of anonymity on the web.
I have to disagree with the one of the basic premises behind 5:38's argument, which is that this blog helped get Lisa and Tony elected. That's a little bit too broad.
DeleteIt may have been one piece of the puzzle, but that's it.There are a lot of factors involved in winning an election, like is it an on or off year election, how much money is raised, how motivated is the election team, who was endorsed by who as well as how prepared the candidates are. There are many more.
Lisa ran a great campaign, and carried Tony in with her. Jerome was caught being an ass right before the election, and there was footage. That and his own attitude, plus a generally negative view of him in the electorate helped put him out of office.
You never know what a candidate will be like until they get in office, so you'll never be totally happy if you expect 100%. That said, I still think Julie's the best candidate for council.
I'm still in for Tony as Mayor, Sheila is too divisive a figure at this point and too much time has passed...
Tony no way, unelectable. Big move towards Cameron now.
Delete7:55 no in the community supports the Kranz Shaffer proposed tax hike. When citizens learn Shaffer Kranz yet again want to spend more money on "survey's" they hit the wall
Deletejust how much money is Shaffer Kranz going to throw away?
Residents know the 1.3M for MIG was a waste
Residents know the 66,000 for True North is a waste
Residents know $180,000 for Lew Edwards would be a waste
The group think with residents is stop wasting our tax dollars. stop destroying our community character and quality of life, stop putting the democratic and republican parties of North County before the residents and taxpayers of Encinitas.
Now we know why the city hired a spin doctor- to promote dog park community segregation and infill density projects
Gaspar's campaign is biding their time. It will be a major blitz in the last moments before the election. Voters memories are short, so catch them at the crucial final moments before the election. Also, there will be no time for Kranz to expose her developer backers or refute her propaganda.
DeleteThe Gasbag probably will win it....
We know the $135k public paid blogger follows this blog.
Delete5:38 Don't worry, be happy! If a long string of actions are unsatisfactory, just accept them. Don't disagree or protest or do anything that takes standing up for what's right. If 5:38 were in Boston in 1773, he/she would have said, "Be happy to pay the tea tax!" And if 5:38 were still around in 1780, he/she would have said, "What? That Benedict Arnold is a great guy!"
Delete11:43,
DeleteExactly!
Because your grumpy blog comments about politics in a small town are exactly like the actions of the founding fathers.
If there is justice in this world, someday your face will appear on our currency, and your name will be held in the same esteem.
It's a large burden to be so important, but we're all glad that you are up to the challenge.
Probably.
As for me, I just hope to go surfing later today, and enjoy some quiet solitude along the shore.
Happy harrumphing.
Medford doesn't get paid $135k, you just make yourself look like maroon with comments like that. Of course the election comes down to the end, that's when the hit pieces come out, the mailers, the out of town money.
DeleteSheila's not in it, although she could be a spoiler. You should stand up, but what that means is actively campaigning and helping Julie Graboi, not just meandering on a blog. Get on it, 11:43....
Yes, 8:05, maroon is a wonderful color.
Delete11:43's first point was that citizens should protest injustice and malfeasance. His/her second point was that citizens were hoodwinked by a set-upon council remember who was re-elected in 2010 and then joined two council members who were elected in 2012 in breaking promises, misrepresenting their true views while campaigning, and betraying those who voted for them.
8:05 Don't be arrogant and presumptuous. 11:43 is on Julie's team.
"Remember" makes it funny. Let's try "member."
DeleteWrite in Marco...
ReplyDeleteFor sewer rat.
DeleteHe's the incumbent there.
DeleteI like this 5:38 fellow.
ReplyDeleteWell said, neighbor.
I like 5:38 too, but who said it was a fellow? It is a neighbor that is for sure and that person is spot on.
ReplyDelete7:13 and 8:00: Mikey conversing with Mikey.
DeleteHe likes it!
DeleteThere should be term limits for all council members. I can not believe that we kept James Bond and Jerome Stocks on as long as we did. I think that would solve some of these problems that people have with the council.
DeleteFour years on the council is long enough. If you can't make a difference, then be gone, and let some one else give it a try.
Just my opinion.
continued from post at 8:44 Yes, I know that we do not have to vote for the person if they choose to run again after 4 years.
DeleteWhat I am saying is that they should only be able to run ONE time for a total of 4 years, Felt I needed to explain so there was no confusion.
Disagree. That's why we have the vote, so we dump ineffective leaders. The problem is people aren't engaged and they don't vote...
Delete8:44, 8:51,
DeleteWhat do you think of district representatives on council?
Think: one council seat each for Cardiff, Olivenhein, new enc, old enc, and leucadia. The mayor would be elected at large (by a vote of the whole community), and one more at large seat to keep an odd number (no tie votes).
Would that structure improve things? You'd have a specific rep more accountable to your district.
9:00 I would certainly go for that and sounds like a terrific idea where each area can be represented fairly.
DeleteOlivehain has about 100 residents and Cardiff has about 20,000, yeah that sounds like citizen representation - I THINK NOT!
DeleteSounds like you don't get to Olivenhain too often. There are certainly more than 100 residents. Stop by and start counting.
DeleteI am sure that Olivenhain would gladly leave the city of encinitas if the opportunity were presented....
DeleteBYE-BYE
Deletedistricts are stupid… let the voters decide.
ReplyDeleteGotta love how any voice of reason, ala 5:38, is quickly accused of being Andreen, Stocks, Marco, Medford, etc. It's such child's play to hang presumed identities on anonymous posters in an effort to discredit them or otherwise suggest they are an operative of interests other than their own.
ReplyDeleteThere are a great many of us who occasionally tap into this blog, without posting, just for the comedy of the paranoia. "You don't agree with the conspiracy theories, then you are obviously Marlene Medford" or other such nonsense. I very rarely post but I do so tonight to simply applaud 5:38 for calling out the perpetually unhappy curmudgeons.... We all know there is no pleasing you.
No doubt some of you think I must be involved with city hall, politics, development, etc. Nope. Just a long time Encinitas resident, parent, liberal, surfer, and small business owner who is stoked on our town. Sure, there's always room for improvement at city hall but 80% of the posters on here make me wonder why they don't move elsewhere.
How about one day per year - just one day out of 365 - of amnesty on the blog where everyone posts only positive things about our town. I'm willing to bet most of you serial posters would be dumbstruck with writer's block. Anyway, sorry for the interruption.... My content neighbors and I will sit back now and chuckle at the comedy. Let the angst continue!
Ok, so you're a business owner. Are you a business owner opposed to Prop A in the hopes that one day you could turn your enterprise into real estate gold? Are you among those who are afraid of getting out of lockstep with DEMA? Are you one who thinks that the multiple roundabouts planned for Leucadia that will further slow traffic will somehow help your sales because drivers will get frustrated by the crawling pace and decide to pull over and go shopping instead of straight home (some believe that)?
DeleteJust wondering.
10:27
DeleteResidents passed Prop A to defend against an abusive council to protect the small town you claim to love
Residents sued the city and won to protect the safety and environment you claim to love
Residents sued the city to compell an EIR resulting in cancerous toxics being cleaned up at the hall park to protect the kids and pets of the town you claim to love
Residents stopped the Shaffer Kranz proposed tax hike to protect the financial well being of the families of the town you claim to love
Residents forced an abusive council and staff to enact density bonus restrictions to protect the neighborhoods of the families of the town you claim to love
when pu in that context a grateful person would be thanking so who take action without a profit motive to the benefit of their communities- it is called civics
or is it possible you are an inisde crony seeking a hand out at city hall? or just a lazy person sucking off the hard work of others-
enjoy the small town you love- others have worked to provide it for you-
10:27- fuck you. Elitist snob, telling others what to post....fuck you.
DeleteThere, there! Man, you guys are angry. This is a great place, but it's worth fighting for, in constructive fashion....
Delete10:27 Moron with his head buried in the sand.
DeleteOuch! 10:27 AM struck some nerves. We are an unhappy lot aren't we. And the profanity. How you derive "Elitist snob" from that post is beyond me. Don't agree, fine but elitist snob? That's a reach.
DeleteThe only thing 10:27 did was to challenge the group think mentality here. Good for her/him.
10:27, and 5:38 just threw a little sunlight on the closed-loop, negative feedback cycle of crazy, paranoid, and angry that has come to dominate the blog.
DeleteI welcome it.
We are all fortunate to live here. Not 20 years ago, not 30 years ago--now. Encinitas is a great place today. I believe Encinitas will be a great place in the future. Not just because of what we block, defeat, and destroy--but because of what we build, create, and change as well.
Peace.
Matter of perspective.
Delete9:31- Join 10:27 .......How dare you try and tell anyone what to think...next you'll try to tell us how broke you were when you left the WH....
DeleteLighten up, Francis.
Delete2:05 PM
DeleteI guess the Clinton reference had a point but it was quite a reach. Maybe you were trying to pigeonhole me but you're way off base. The point of discussion is to try to influence how others think. Or do you just comment here to impress people?
Must be Andreen!
ReplyDeleteYou people are unbelievable,
ReplyDeleteThank you.
DeleteSounds of voodoo thunder and lightening coming from city hall in anticipation of tonite's meeting!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat we can change is who sits on the council and who is our mayor. That is the power we have.
ReplyDeleteThat hasn't been as effective in changing things as has direct action (e.g. Prop A, lawsuits against the city in Desert Rose, etc.).
DeleteNow that I think about it, you are right EU. It was still our votes that got Prop. A passed.
DeleteBoth are true, direct action and elected officials. It's a combination. But once again, most people aren't engaged, and that's the biggest problem.
DeleteIn France the politicians are afraid of the people, in the U.S., people are afraid of politicians...
This is my favorite:
ReplyDelete10:27 suggests that people are too negative and angry name calling.
7:30 responds: fuck you. Elitist snob.
Way to prove him wrong, 7:30
Damn right.
DeleteAfter a week of being unpluged in Big Sur I come back to this city and plug in and I see that nothing has changed here.
ReplyDelete5:38 has exposed the hate vacuume that dominates this blog. I have to agree with him/her and with 10:27.
Get out and unplug from this hate machine for awhile and you will feel so much better. Some of you take yourself and opinions way too seriously. Some of you have totally lost the plot.
On the way back we stayed in Pismo and I watched their version of council meetings. The citizens with oposing views on issues in there city were much more civil and respectful to each other than our local tribe is to each other.
No, I'm not Mikey, Vina, Marlena or any of the other usual suspects.
Maybe their city council treated their citizens with respect and listened to their opinions and ideas. Makes a world of difference when you have a council who actually works for the citizens who pay their salaries rather than trying to leave a legacy while in office or collect government pension.
DeleteMama said to me...
DeleteYou can kill more flys with honey than vinegar.
You reap what you sow.
It takes two to make a thing right.
4:23,
DeleteWe tried the honey when we gave Barth her majority by electing her Hope & Change friends.
That hasn't worked out too well for residents so far.
As always, assuming this blog speaks for all residents.
DeleteNot at all. If you could point toward anything significant they've done toward their campaign promises of community character, open government, integrity, and fiscal responsibility, we'd be obliged.
DeleteThose issues are not specific to this or any blog, but promises from the candidates themselves.
And, while you're at it, if you could read the links in the "Encinitas Government 101" section at the left, and explain how those issues are only of concern to readers of a blog, that would be helpful.
That depends on who's view you're representing or courting doesn't it?
ReplyDeleteThe Park and the PV issues for example.
I am for the park and against the school property decisions even with the fact my kids have grown up without a chance to enjoy it like we all thought would happen ten years ago I still support the decision and it's investment for the community.
The school decision is insane and I think it will be another ten years or more for us to see anything resembling what people are advocating for.
4:55- There you have it. I think the $60,000,000 Regional Sport Park and the future $4,000,000 lifeguard tower, and $25,000,000 coastal welfare art / low income shelter are all a total waste of funds that should have been used for other needed projects. I am talking total costs, not the crappy fake costs that staff loves to quote in recent staff reports.
ReplyDeletePast and current councils are clueless along with the backward ass City Manager. This town needs city hall enema.
Why does the Enc city council do the opposite of what the citizens want?? Because they can. Because no one confronts them for their idiocy. No one bangs pots, no one follows them home to tell them how stupid they are with the decisions they make. Re- elected they feel powerful. But most Importantly the voters in this city are fools, morons, rubes. They elect a woman dressed as a super hero..... Need I say more. I'm sure the day will come when these voters elect someone dressed as a clown or worse yet someone dressed as a jackass.
ReplyDeleteHonk if you vote for a superhero.....
Wrong, plenty of people confront them for their "idiocy," but apparently 9:40 isn't among them because if you were, you wouldn't have asserted that "no one confronts them . . ."
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