No water in the southwest, CA in severe drought, smart Gov leaders telling us to cut water use, traffic a nightmare, beach crowded as shit and the smart Gov leaders keep on approving more overbuilding in the Southwest.
Maybe the Gov leaders aren't that smart?
Maybe they are money hungry with no integrity willing to sellout the quality of life of existing residents for the developers profit and more tax dollars.
Its an endless unsustainable crappy cycle, yet our smart Gov leaders keep supporting the losing paradigm. Maybe we should vote out all incumbents?
You should cut water use, that's just common sense. If we elect our leaders, don't we share some of the responsibility? Where other than Venturna county in Southern California has limiting development truly been considered?
The demise of open space and the atmosphere of tranquility that once characterized the area. No water for agriculture, but plenty of it for subdivisions. Money changers in the Temple are destroying another area for their insatiable greed. Government is just a bunch of middle-men stooges with their hands stretched out for the payoff - vested self interest is the American way - that's why the Empire is collapsing....
Maybe the council should give their reports at the beginning of the meeting instead of the end. Mark Muir recounted a comment from the water authority when Muir told him about Encinitas considering to declare a drought. The comment - if you do we'll give your water to someone else.
No matter how you look at it, Southern California is a desert! At some point there will be a tipping point and then where will we be. I truly think we can use this against density bonus. Anyone who has not watched the movie Chinatown, might want to watch it. It is a pretty accurate statement of what went on before most of us were born.
Yup, read Cadillac Desert, or some of the other books on water supply and drought in the Southwest. Read about Hatfield the Rainmaker, and how that type of thing was popular prior to the building of Boulder Dam.
The Colorado is shrinking rapidly, there are no more other large rivers to damn. We have a better supply saved thanks to Diamond Lake and some of the other large reservoirs, but that doesn't change that fact that increasing populations and continued droughts will continue to tax the system.
Any development should have to answer the question, where is the water coming from? It's common sense...
Actually, I think WC is tacitly approving of the City allowing the completely untrustworthy school district to open up a big commercial enterprise and 'call' it a 'community' garden, without having to go through the same protocols the residents and businesses have to" why? because the district is still pretending to be Barth and Tony's friends?
They should pay the same as everyone else: go through Planning Commission, design review, coastal design review: any money they save will go to Baird's Bonus, decidedly not the kids.
And the Ramrod of the project was just served with a restraining order due to his sweet nature and diplomatic skills. Hopefully, there aren't any weddings for him to sing at.
And Shaffer, in this week's mea culpa newsletter said she is 'side walking' Santa Fe and needs to raise more fees for the kids: any time someone says its 'for the kids', its not for the kids. Such a lying lowlife Lisa.
For substantial change in our city governing body please try to support Julie Graboi and know that she is presenting a coming out this early evening at the bird watchng center on the cardiff lagoon today. Doors open at 5:30pm. For those questioning what her policy priorities will look like you can answer those yourself by coming out and see and judge for yourself. Come on down if you care enough to do so.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion- but your opinion is unfortunately not based on the facts.
The facts are these-
Graboi is the only candidate who has been active at city hall speaking on the issues of community character, responsible spending and holding city staff accountable the past 4 years.
Graboi is or spending our money wisely, protecting our community characther, protecting local merchants and quality of life.
She has been at city hall as a resident for 4 years- that tells me all I need to know, My opinion is based on the facts.
My attitude isn't the problem, the facts are the problem.
We do live in a desert, and we must be good stewards of our water resources. The fact is, we have been, and we use less water now than 25 years ago, notwithstanding a rise in population.
We now have diverse entitlements to both Colorado River and Sac delta water. We have increased our use of purple pipe. We have replaced inefficient systems with drip irrigation, we have relined many canals with leakproof concrete. Many homeowners have reduced or eliminated grass, and increased use of less thirsty plants. Many sports fields are being converted to modern artificial turf. We have the largest desal plant in the Western Hemisphere under construction up the road. We have built a new reservoir in Elfin Forest, with cross feed plumbing to Lake Hodges for more efficient storage. We are starting to consider full cycle water recycling. The City of Encinitas is considering making grey water plumbing part of our building codes. The deal to pump water into the artificial lake Salton Sea will end in the years ahead. Low flow bathroom fixtures are becoming the norm. Agribusiness, huge consumers of water, are moving to places where land is cheaper.
All positive from a water use perspective. And it needs to continue.
There are good reasons for fighting high density development--water just isn't one of them. It's a losing argument.
I would agree that the Water issue and the high density development are not necessarily intertwined on every level, but there is a connection. When you're talking about building a huge development on the border of LA/Ventura county (The Newhall Ranch, 22,000 Homes), water is an issue. That's been one of the main talking point.
In Encinitas, water is probably not a huge issue because the supply is most likely adequate for anything that would be built here. But in the larger scheme of things, we should be asking the water question.
Will this tactic of mentioning water use be effective in stopping developments, no. The main question to me is community character, appropriateness of scale and density in a given area. A lot of the stuff that has been built fails those tests, and it all goes back to Density Bonus.
It all goes back to how our city interprets density bonus law. Encinitas is a magnet for density bonus projects, far exceeding any other city in California. Why is this?
The Poseidon Resources desalination plan will soon be producing drinking water in Carlsbad. The question is whether the plant will be able to sell the water at the projected cost, which was already high. The San Diego County Water Authority already committed to buy all the water. They don't care about the price. They will simply pass on the costs.
These reverse osmosis systems are very energy intensive, and the cost of energy is not going down. Plus the membranes eventually get clogged and need to be replaced at high cost. Additionally the plant is at sea level, and all the water it produces will need to be pumped uphill for use.
A material item that is conveniently left out of the debate is the fact that 80%-85% of California's water is consumed by agriculture. Somehow the farmers always get a pass. Maybe it is their lobbying $.
The reality is that we are huge producers of water intensive crops like alfalfa and rice. Yes, rice! The reality is that the "do your part to conserve" sounds wonderful (just like paying for carbon credits), but it really doesn't move the dial. We need to start having an honest debate about why we are growing water intensive crops in a desert (and be prepared for much higher food prices).
How much have the farmer's water rates gone up over the past 5 years. I am willing to bet that it isn't the 43% that my rates have gone up. Shouldn't we share the pain? Also, why are we growing rice in a desert?
There are many cities up north where residents don't even have water meters hooked up to their homes. This continued practice up north and lack of enforcement for gross violators doesn't seem fair for those whose rates continue to rise down south.
I think most of the U.S.'s fruit and vegetable crop comes from California, and if you read any of the links above, the farmers are getting hosed.
This is why we aren't on water restrictions already, because the rates have been going up, and the agencies don't want to risk further alienating their customers. Penny Wise, pound foolish strategy.
Everything will be going up from here on in, food, water, power, everything except your paycheck.
Just as we are being asked to re-landscape our yards, perhaps we need to re-evaluate what crops make sense for California.
Let's say for sake of argument that there weren't *any* people in California and the farmers had the 10%-15% of the water that the 38 million residents consume. How different would the picture be today? I would submit that the farmers would still be hosed. Farming rice and alfalfa in a desert just doesn't make sense.
Desal is a potentially great solution for residential water, especially when you consider the prospect of renewable energy. This still won't have much of an impact for farmers in the Central Valley.
A few years ago the cost to turf Leo Mullen was somewhere between $600,000 - $800,000.00. Permanent lights are currently not allowed per the Ranch HOA MOU with the City.
Just so we're on the same page here... The cost was for artificial turf. I have no idea what the cost of the sod is that is re done every year. It is my understanding that he lights are run by the leagues. Nobody likes the generators, they are annoying and I'm not sure how they got around the HOA no lights issue when the park was built. One hopes the sod issue will get better at Leo Mullen after the new park is open for play.
In the past Mullens was closed for 2 or 3 months for the grass to grow, and the grass was cared for by the city. What you see now is an abandonment by parks and rec of a city park. Complete mismanagement and gross negligent by Vina and his cabinet.
Leo Mullen has been closed for the past three months, as always. If it were turfed, it wouldn't need to be closed. If it were lighted, there would be no pressure on the community park in the winter months.
This city is not capable of watering grass. Go look at the dead grass at LRSP . The dead flowers all over the city medians. But this city can pay outrageous salaries and pensions.
The city does an amazing job with Leo Mullen considering the constant use it gets. The city fields (YMCA and Mullen) are very nice, especially in comparison to the school district fields, which are very poor.
The city council approves of letting grass and vegetation die. The council approves of shoddy pavement work, e.g. the slurry over El Camino Real that is already breaking apart. Barth is in lala land. Shaffer is ensconced in her middle earth. Kranz flip flops. Muir floats. Gaspar's allegiance is to the Rotary Club. This is the city's new order.
" The city fields (YMCA and Mullen) are very nice, especially in comparison to the school district fields, which are very poor." If the city, sports league and schools worked together to maintain the school fields, there would be a need for the six new fields at the Hall Sports Park and the school fields would be much better. The sports leagues would have to pay for maintenance.
Actually, 11:52 - you had it right at 11:49. The fields get so much use that you need more to maintain them all to standard. As an example, look at the polo fields in Del Mar - they're not used more than their used - and they're purrrrrrrrrfect!
10:36 AM You've placed them perfectly! Shaffer is bent over, muttering "My precious" to her clothe bag. Muir is floating on a double-double, Kranz is checking the new power do's and Mens Warehouse specials, Gaspar is looking for more rocks and Barth is waiting for the coronation. Vina loves these dunderheads who take orders.
I now only pop in occasionally to this blog to see what's going on but 12:10 PM just reinforces my sense of this being a total waste of time. What arrogance!
I agree. Forget any other project. The City's eyes and wallet is focused on the Regional Sports Complex. The rest of you can go to hell, and your City Council supports the backward ass Vina.
Ah-enter Tony Kranz and his idea of being intrigued by Logan Jenkins idea of turning PV into a Federal Detention facility. Let us not forget this when he runs again. Not only is it a stupid idea, it was stupid of Tony to respond in the way that he did. We don't even own the offing property yet, as the City still has to figure out how WE are going to pay for it. Maybe he can contribute and spend less money on his new haircut and new duds. This council is a joke, and we are all pawns in their little game of whatever Vina and his cabinet want to do. Don't step out of line folks, or you will receive nasty grams from someone.
Whoever put Tony up to it is almost beside the point. That Tony rose to the bait, IS the point. I don't care if it was Jerome, Logan or whoever. All Tony would have had to do is say we don't even own the property yet, so the City cannot even comment on this. End of story. I voted for Tony. It will not happen again. My money is now on Graboi.
Idiot question on the cities Peak Democracy web page asking how we feel about an off leash dog park. As predicted, Peak Democracy web page will be used for feel good nonsense. Thanks you council and Vina.... Notice that PD won't ask how you fell about over paid salaries and pensions.
Good point. The off-leash dog question is important, but it should be a given that the Maggie Houlihan Dog Park is in addition to, not instead of the other neighborhood off-leash dog areas.
Jesus, it's the first question asked on a new system and the cynics are out. 9:43 can tell the future by telling us to notice how PD hasn't asked a certain question yet.
Let us also not forget WE are actually paying $9000.00 for the non-scientific study that Peak Democracy is. And, we also have a paid communications director. To have power is one thing. To use it wisely is another. We, as citizens, do have a choice however. Vote out Shafer and Kranz in 2016 and add Julie Graboi this year. She is the real deal. If you don't trust me, and why would you, check her out for yourself. Just Google her name and see how she has fought for us over the years. No wonder Teresa, Tony and Lisa would prefer the other candidate, Blankenspear or whatever her name is. They are afraid that Graboi might actually win and expose them for who they are, which are puppets for Vina and Sabine. Does anyone remember Teresa saying when she was elected that she would get rid of Sabine? I know I do. And when she had the chance to do so, she sat on the dias and did absolutely nothing! I sure would like to know what he has on her and Tony. At least Lisa asked for a Request for Proposal to look at other attorneys. We already knew Muir and Gaspar were not going to vote to get rid of him, but Teresa-well enough said.
"Does anyone remember Teresa saying when she was elected that she would get rid of Sabine?" Answer: NO. Didn't happen. I don't trust you. Why would anyone?
It did happen. I remember it well. Teresa told me on several occasions that Sabine and Planner Kerry Kusiak would be the first to go when she was part of a majority. She broke her promise and profoundly disappointed me. Now she calls the blogs "cesspools" when she formerly used these same blogs to further her own agenda.
Ms. Barth is a liar. Ms. Barth signed her name to ballot statement lies on Prop A.
Ms. Barth did claim she would hold misleading staff accountable- Sabien gave Cotton an extra paycheck, buried the road report and appears to have withhled information from Lew Edwards- the same tax raising firm he used in La Mesa-
Barth not only failed to hold Sabine accountable on Lew Edwards, Barth herself refused to turn over emails under a freedom of information request and then lied in her newsletter that a survey would cost $20,000 when the lowest presented bid was near $70,000 and the max bid was near $180,000-
Own it Teresa- your ethics are no differen that dirty Dan Dalager and Jerome Stocks-
If you see Barth in public acost her, ask her why she wasted our tax dollars and lied to the public. I plan to if I see her
Acost - to approach and speak to (someone) often in an angry, aggressive, or unwanted way......
Not sure that's the best way to get your point across - especially in public - might even get you arrested....heck, the mere suggestion might be construed to be a veiled threat..........words are always mightier than the sword - be careful......
Teresa stated, in more than one of her "get Tony and Lisa elected" regularly-held planning sessions a couple of years ago, that she would get rid of Sabine as her #1 first step with a majority on the Council.
Who ever you are, Mr./Mrs. "Never Happened," you were most certainly not at those meetings along with a good 15+ attendees most weeks. Sorry if you don't like it, but it happened, yes indeedy. She said she'd rid us of him, she didn't. End of story.
Accost originally meant to approach and address. It does not have to be in an angry manner, or with harmful intent. People misuse the word so much, that meaning has now been "added." Our language is changing, not always for the better . . .
No worries. We will soon have a Federal Dentention Facility at Pacific View. Maybe they feds will even pay for it. Now that is whatI call creative financing. We should all call TOny and thank him.
All I know right now about Graboi is Teresa hates her, and she and Lisa are actively trying to get Catherine B. to fill the Council position. That's all I need to vote for Graboi.
Another difference between the two is that Julie will not sell us out. She is being supported by the same people who supported Teresa and Tony and now realize that they are not what they said they were. At a gathering the other evening, there were about 75 people for Graboi, including Maggie's widower, Ian. Teresa has not spoken to Julie in about 3 years. More on that at another time. However, it does have to do with the housing element, and about 200 surveys the city never tallied. That's why some people are concerned about Peak Democracy. ow many of you took your little dots and put them on certain parts of the City. How did that work out for those of us who did it?
Peak Democracy is a scam to get us to not have oral communications at the City Council meetings. Don't believe me? Then why are they tracking how many hours of oral communication the posts would have taken. Who is giving feedback? From the Peak Democracy site that the City has put up. 135 positions were submitted. That's 6.8 hours of public comment @ three minutes per position.
Wow. I never looked at the use of Peak Propaganda in the way you described.
It can certainly be a tool to limit public input at city hall and the enable city leaders to control public debate.
For instance the city is able to see who is opposing their proposed plans and if those in opposition are well known within the community. This could allow city leaders to further refine what does or doesn not get put on the agenda.
Interesting observation 10:13. I supported Barth and Shaffer- this was before I knew the two of them were for social engineering and changing zoning and codes and regulations to control our lives-
That they are tracking oral communications equivalent is telling, and a bit disgusting, in my opnion.
10:13 Have you even looked at Peak Democracy? Unless you choose to show it, your name is no more visible than it is here. It can't be used to suppress any kind of speech at city hall. That is ludicrous. You could post your opinion there and the go to the city hall meetings, say the same thing and no one would stop you or know any better. If you're that much of a conspiracy theorist, then you should just stay away from any and all political related subjects.
Well 11:09 you could surround city hall and block the city from doing business much like the citizens of murrieta did yesterday to block the arrival of illegals. The govt should fear it's citizens.
12:05-Not exactly sure what you point is? I was just saying that it is interesting the ways in which the City could use Peak Democracy, that we citizens are paying for. How does that amount to blocking the city from doing business? This city was incorporated in 1986. It seems to have been doing business a long time before this new Peak Democracy thing came into being. Perhaps you could share your logic? Now, Tony intrigued by Logan's idea of a Federal Detention Facility would make more sense with the comment you posted.
I liked your observation, thank you for sharing. The city has a long history of lying to taxpayers and working against the taxpayers.
1. Buried the nichols road report -sabine 2. gave ex city manager xtra paycheck-sabine 3. refused to do an EIR at the park- turns out the place is toxic 4. $43M behind in road repairs 5. Lied on Prop A ballot statement 6. Attempted to rewrite city policies to limit free speech at council meetings 7. Hired facilitator who did not tell teh truth about citizens committee on zoning 8. Ran a bogus dot exercise to manufacture data against interest of residents
Not necessarily, I would never go to city all and allow them to tape my words. But I will come to this blog and others and post comments based on reason and logic. There is no reason and logic at city hall.
I'm not always happy with the outcome. but it's pretty hard to beat a system of staff making recommendations; council responding with pros and cons; the public weighing in personally; a final decision made and all done on camera each week to be archived for anyone's online reference anytime. Peak Democracy takes a lot of the personality of that exchange and makes it very dull if not impossible for anyone to research and identify anyone's input. But at the same time pidgeon holes people. The Jehovah' Witnesses used to be crafty that way if they aren't still. When they leave a house after interacting with someone at the door, they kept a log of responses so they'd know exactly how to approach that person the next time with what they like or do not. Oh well, at least they're there in person and not using Peak Theology yet.
7:04- And we didn't pay them to come to our door. We, the citizens are paying for this. The city says it is only $9000.00 per year. What a bargain. Many commissions in our City would do it for free, and we don't necessarily need a communications expert for Peak Democracy, as it has already been pointed out that it is not statistically significant in any way. Peak Democracy told that to the City going in.
Why would it need to be statistically sound? This isn't a scientific study being done. I'm starting to learn that this city, or this blog at least, is full of people who are scared of change and progress. They would all like to sit in their dark rooms in front of their glowing screens and shake a pruned fist at anything that is different.
Gee, um, I dunno...maybe so when the city uses the results to make decisions, said results actually represent what residents really want? Just a thought there....
Change is not always a bad thing. Change based on bogus opinion polls does not feel safe. That is not "progress."
Something like Peak Democracy was envisioned by Barth to allow her a 'wall' between council decisions and citizen input.
Also, the council and staff recognized that the 'affect' or actions of a very few, yes, Westbrook, Marr, Audet, C.J., Turney and especially Lindermann... made regular, one or two time visitors to the council uncomfortable, which precluded participation in person at the public hearings, so they believed they needed another way, opportunity for voters to express their opinion: the initial experiment with the online question of voters about dog parks shows quite clearly, not online but in the near incoherent rage of correspondents to and from each other, that someone that knows what they are doing should be in charge of this new ETown Hall, its not The Patch. As long as you have lunatic fringe-ers like Audet, Turney and Marr abusing their first amendment rights and turning each public meeting into the French revolution without guillotines, you will find the council and staff attempting to reach out to the regular or normal residents who as Bond once remarked,"Just want to drink a cold beer and watch American Idol when they get home at night."
Thank you for revealing your idiocy and that you are actually a facist wearing brown shirt hihg density developer seeking to stifle freedom of expression rather than promoting the community participation Barth and Shaffer claim to want to represent.
In your world community participation is only encoruaged when it supports the council. This isn't community participation it si community manipulation.
Thank you for revealing your support of government control and the trampling of rights afforded all under the Constitution. Happy 4th of July comrade
So, I guess Bob bond, one of the founders of this City, abuses his first amendment rights, as does a whole lot of other people who speak, including Judy Graboi, Sheila Cameron, Sandy Shapiro, the list goes on. Hard to believe that Council is afraid of Bob Bonde, who is in his 80's. Hard to believe with the amount of sheriff power sitting at every council meeting that any citizen should be afraid of speaking. But, I guess since it is getting to look more like the USSR in our country it makes sense. God forbid you question authority, as Benjamin Franklin said we should. Before long, if you say what the "authorities" don;t like you will be in a psych. facility. Don't believe me. Check out Laura's Law, some our country supervisor is trying to get through. All I can say is we had better start speaking out, as the everyday citizen is losing big time, and yes, when you sign onto Peak Democracy you have to give your name. It many not show up if you don't want to, but to register you must sign your name, address, etc. Think about this, how much could the city sell that information for? Another profitable venture, all from your rather stupid, or very smart, city council.
Last time Audet was at city hall he exposed Vina and the Barth Shaffer Kranz tax scheme for what it was.
Audet showed the evidence that Vina knowingly withheld financial information from the public and the council regarding the true cost provided to Mr. Vina of the Lew Edwards proposed scope of services.
Audet also exposed the lies and misinformation Ms. Barth wrote in her newsletter that the survey would only cost $20,000. No where in the the Lew Edwards cost estimate was the service limited to $20,000
After Audet showed the evidence the council took the tax hike off the table. According to Shaffer she along with Barth and Kranz wanted a tax hike to take an estimated $5 million dollars out of the hands of taxpayers and 'redistribute' that money to city hall.
You might not mind higher taxes and giving your money to the bankrupt failed policies of Gus Vina and city hall but I do.
Thankfully there are people who would rather watch the shady dealings of city hall and waste of tax money rather than American idol.
11:07-Of course no one has to take the survey. But that begs the next question? If no one takes it, why are we paying Peak Democracy and a new Communications person? From what I can tell this is the only she has done. Perhaps others know more.
11:35 If no one takes the survey, that will show the council that it was a big waste of money and they would learn from the lesson to not spend money needlessly. I have high hopes, but I know they are too high.
The results will be exactly the way the city manager and council designed them. Next thing we will hear is they need to raise taxes and hire more staff because that is what the survey indicated. We our here in never never land, will not know one way or the other.
Do remember the icing on every failed survey is when Lisa/Teresa/Tony/Gus blame residents for not participating. We at least have that to look forward to.
No water in the southwest, CA in severe drought, smart Gov leaders telling us to cut water use, traffic a nightmare, beach crowded as shit and the smart Gov leaders keep on approving more overbuilding in the Southwest.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the Gov leaders aren't that smart?
Maybe they are money hungry with no integrity willing to sellout the quality of life of existing residents for the developers profit and more tax dollars.
Its an endless unsustainable crappy cycle, yet our smart Gov leaders keep supporting the losing paradigm. Maybe we should vote out all incumbents?
You should cut water use, that's just common sense. If we elect our leaders, don't we share some of the responsibility? Where other than Venturna county in Southern California has limiting development truly been considered?
DeleteThe demise of open space and the atmosphere of tranquility that once characterized the area. No water for agriculture, but plenty of it for subdivisions. Money changers in the Temple are destroying another area for their insatiable greed. Government is just a bunch of middle-men stooges with their hands stretched out for the payoff - vested self interest is the American way - that's why the Empire is collapsing....
DeleteMaybe we should have put in local growth control the day before you moved here.
ReplyDeleteI bought your moms house because you like smoking dope better than studying.
DeleteA growth initiative would not have impacted me loser or developer which is also a loser in my book.
But don't feel bad it's not that I just don't like you. I also don't like people kill dolphins and whales. And people that polite the ocean.
Sorry Siri is not smelling mail today.
DeleteI meant to say. People that pollute the ocean.
Maybe the council should give their reports at the beginning of the meeting instead of the end. Mark Muir recounted a comment from the water authority when Muir told him about Encinitas considering to declare a drought. The comment - if you do we'll give your water to someone else.
ReplyDeleteDear Chickens Little,
ReplyDeleteThe County uses less water now than in 1990. We will always have droughts; we will also have El Nino years.
http://www.sdcwa.org/sites/default/files/images/water-management/WaterUse1990-2013(1).jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtQcMZobqUc
11:48
ReplyDeleteYour attitude is part of the problem. Read up on water wars.
No matter how you look at it, Southern California is a desert! At some point there will be a tipping point and then where will we be. I truly think we can use this against density bonus. Anyone who has not watched the movie Chinatown, might want to watch it. It is a pretty accurate statement of what went on before most of us were born.
ReplyDeleteYup, read Cadillac Desert, or some of the other books on water supply and drought in the Southwest. Read about Hatfield the Rainmaker, and how that type of thing was popular prior to the building of Boulder Dam.
DeleteThe Colorado is shrinking rapidly, there are no more other large rivers to damn. We have a better supply saved thanks to Diamond Lake and some of the other large reservoirs, but that doesn't change that fact that increasing populations and continued droughts will continue to tax the system.
Any development should have to answer the question, where is the water coming from? It's common sense...
-MGJ
Actually, I think WC is tacitly approving of the City allowing the completely untrustworthy school district to open up a big commercial enterprise and 'call' it a 'community' garden, without having to go through the same protocols the residents and businesses have to" why? because the district is still pretending to be Barth and Tony's friends?
DeleteThey should pay the same as everyone else: go through Planning Commission, design review, coastal design review: any money they save will go to Baird's Bonus, decidedly not the kids.
And the Ramrod of the project was just served with a restraining order due to his sweet nature and diplomatic skills. Hopefully, there aren't any weddings for him to sing at.
And Shaffer, in this week's mea culpa newsletter said she is 'side walking' Santa Fe and needs to raise more fees for the kids: any time someone says its 'for the kids', its not for the kids. Such a lying lowlife Lisa.
Hi 2:54 please explain Shaffer's comments about raising more fees for the kids?
DeleteThank you
For substantial change in our city governing body please try to support Julie Graboi and know that she is presenting a coming out this early evening at the bird watchng center on the cardiff lagoon today. Doors open at 5:30pm. For those questioning what her policy priorities will look like you can answer those yourself by coming out and see and judge for yourself. Come on down if you care enough to do so.
ReplyDeleteNope. She'll be a staff stooge soon enough.
Delete7:11
DeleteYou are certainly entitled to your opinion- but your opinion is unfortunately not based on the facts.
The facts are these-
Graboi is the only candidate who has been active at city hall speaking on the issues of community character, responsible spending and holding city staff accountable the past 4 years.
Graboi is or spending our money wisely, protecting our community characther, protecting local merchants and quality of life.
She has been at city hall as a resident for 4 years- that tells me all I need to know, My opinion is based on the facts.
11:57,
ReplyDeleteMy attitude isn't the problem, the facts are the problem.
We do live in a desert, and we must be good stewards of our water resources. The fact is, we have been, and we use less water now than 25 years ago, notwithstanding a rise in population.
We now have diverse entitlements to both Colorado River and Sac delta water. We have increased our use of purple pipe. We have replaced inefficient systems with drip irrigation, we have relined many canals with leakproof concrete. Many homeowners have reduced or eliminated grass, and increased use of less thirsty plants. Many sports fields are being converted to modern artificial turf. We have the largest desal plant in the Western Hemisphere under construction up the road. We have built a new reservoir in Elfin Forest, with cross feed plumbing to Lake Hodges for more efficient storage. We are starting to consider full cycle water recycling. The City of Encinitas is considering making grey water plumbing part of our building codes. The deal to pump water into the artificial lake Salton Sea will end in the years ahead. Low flow bathroom fixtures are becoming the norm. Agribusiness, huge consumers of water, are moving to places where land is cheaper.
All positive from a water use perspective. And it needs to continue.
There are good reasons for fighting high density development--water just isn't one of them. It's a losing argument.
I would agree that the Water issue and the high density development are not necessarily intertwined on every level, but there is a connection. When you're talking about building a huge development on the border of LA/Ventura county (The Newhall Ranch, 22,000 Homes), water is an issue. That's been one of the main talking point.
DeleteIn Encinitas, water is probably not a huge issue because the supply is most likely adequate for anything that would be built here. But in the larger scheme of things, we should be asking the water question.
Will this tactic of mentioning water use be effective in stopping developments, no. The main question to me is community character, appropriateness of scale and density in a given area. A lot of the stuff that has been built fails those tests, and it all goes back to Density Bonus.
-MGJ
It all goes back to how our city interprets density bonus law. Encinitas is a magnet for density bonus projects, far exceeding any other city in California. Why is this?
DeleteI'm curious --- are personal pools and spas that are not used regularly (maybe a couple of times a year) a waste of water?
ReplyDeleteMust spas tad covered ....
ReplyDeleteI am anti growth period. Too many people. And yes maybe I will move any rent to all the rats.
Plenty of water out there, just desalinate . What's the problem?? No political will to do the right thing.....
ReplyDeleteThe Poseidon Resources desalination plan will soon be producing drinking water in Carlsbad. The question is whether the plant will be able to sell the water at the projected cost, which was already high. The San Diego County Water Authority already committed to buy all the water. They don't care about the price. They will simply pass on the costs.
ReplyDeleteThese reverse osmosis systems are very energy intensive, and the cost of energy is not going down. Plus the membranes eventually get clogged and need to be replaced at high cost. Additionally the plant is at sea level, and all the water it produces will need to be pumped uphill for use.
A material item that is conveniently left out of the debate is the fact that 80%-85% of California's water is consumed by agriculture. Somehow the farmers always get a pass. Maybe it is their lobbying $.
ReplyDeleteThe reality is that we are huge producers of water intensive crops like alfalfa and rice. Yes, rice! The reality is that the "do your part to conserve" sounds wonderful (just like paying for carbon credits), but it really doesn't move the dial. We need to start having an honest debate about why we are growing water intensive crops in a desert (and be prepared for much higher food prices).
Desal now .
DeleteDesal now.
Desal now.
Every go without drinking water?? I have I'd have paid $100/gal. So will you.
Too expensive. Conserve first. Every house should be allowed to have a grey water system...
DeleteThe farmers aren't getting a pass right now, a lot of them are sucking it big time due to lack of water..
Deletehttp://www.sfgate.com/news/article/California-drought-Jobs-money-dry-up-in-farm-5431129.php
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/20/us-usa-california-drought-jobs-idUSBREA4J01M20140520
How much have the farmer's water rates gone up over the past 5 years. I am willing to bet that it isn't the 43% that my rates have gone up. Shouldn't we share the pain? Also, why are we growing rice in a desert?
DeleteThere are many cities up north where residents don't even have water meters hooked up to their homes. This continued practice up north and lack of enforcement for gross violators doesn't seem fair for those whose rates continue to rise down south.
DeleteI think most of the U.S.'s fruit and vegetable crop comes from California, and if you read any of the links above, the farmers are getting hosed.
DeleteThis is why we aren't on water restrictions already, because the rates have been going up, and the agencies don't want to risk further alienating their customers. Penny Wise, pound foolish strategy.
Everything will be going up from here on in, food, water, power, everything except your paycheck.
Just as we are being asked to re-landscape our yards, perhaps we need to re-evaluate what crops make sense for California.
DeleteLet's say for sake of argument that there weren't *any* people in California and the farmers had the 10%-15% of the water that the 38 million residents consume. How different would the picture be today? I would submit that the farmers would still be hosed. Farming rice and alfalfa in a desert just doesn't make sense.
Desal is a potentially great solution for residential water, especially when you consider the prospect of renewable energy. This still won't have much of an impact for farmers in the Central Valley.
The Sacramento area has no water meters - they don't plan to finish installing them until 2025 - real timely action on the part of the governments...
Delete5:27 Let them drink Perrier. .
ReplyDeleteNo More Homes, No More Homes.
ReplyDeleteWhen is full, full enough? when your like rats that have overpopulated to the point where they start eating each other?
I do not call that sustainable.
Turf (and light) Leo Mullen.
ReplyDeleteA few years ago the cost to turf Leo Mullen was somewhere between $600,000 - $800,000.00. Permanent lights are currently not allowed per the Ranch HOA MOU with the City.
DeleteOk. Then remove the bulbs during spring and summer. Not permanent :-) Or do they prefer the sound of diesel generators in winter?
DeleteJust so we're on the same page here... The cost was for artificial turf. I have no idea what the cost of the sod is that is re done every year. It is my understanding that he lights are run by the leagues. Nobody likes the generators, they are annoying and I'm not sure how they got around the HOA no lights issue when the park was built. One hopes the sod issue will get better at Leo Mullen after the new park is open for play.
ReplyDeleteThey could renegotiate the HOA agreements if the homeowners were willing.
ReplyDelete6:20 PM
ReplyDeleteIn the past Mullens was closed for 2 or 3 months for the grass to grow, and the grass was cared for by the city. What you see now is an abandonment by parks and rec of a city park. Complete mismanagement and gross negligent by Vina and his cabinet.
Leo Mullen has been closed for the past three months, as always. If it were turfed, it wouldn't need to be closed. If it were lighted, there would be no pressure on the community park in the winter months.
DeleteThis city is not capable of watering grass. Go look at the dead grass at LRSP . The dead flowers all over the city medians. But this city can pay outrageous salaries and pensions.
DeleteThe city does an amazing job with Leo Mullen considering the constant use it gets. The city fields (YMCA and Mullen) are very nice, especially in comparison to the school district fields, which are very poor.
DeleteThe city council approves of letting grass and vegetation die. The council approves of shoddy pavement work, e.g. the slurry over El Camino Real that is already breaking apart. Barth is in lala land. Shaffer is ensconced in her middle earth. Kranz flip flops. Muir floats. Gaspar's allegiance is to the Rotary Club. This is the city's new order.
Delete" The city fields (YMCA and Mullen) are very nice, especially in comparison to the school district fields, which are very poor."
DeleteIf the city, sports league and schools worked together to maintain the school fields, there would be a need for the six new fields at the Hall Sports Park and the school fields would be much better. The sports leagues would have to pay for maintenance.
...would not be a need for the six new fields...
DeleteActually, 11:52 - you had it right at 11:49. The fields get so much use that you need more to maintain them all to standard. As an example, look at the polo fields in Del Mar - they're not used more than their used - and they're purrrrrrrrrfect!
Delete- The Sculpin
10:36 AM You've placed them perfectly! Shaffer is bent over, muttering "My precious" to her clothe bag. Muir is floating on a double-double, Kranz is checking the new power do's and Mens Warehouse specials, Gaspar is looking for more rocks and Barth is waiting for the coronation. Vina loves these dunderheads who take orders.
DeleteI now only pop in occasionally to this blog to see what's going on but 12:10 PM just reinforces my sense of this being a total waste of time. What arrogance!
Delete12:41 Stay away. I doubt you will be missed.
Delete1:28 PM -- Likewise.
Delete12:41 PM Get lost....
DeleteHey! Hey! Hey! You two. Settle down or I'm turning the car around.
DeleteDrove by Leo Mullen. The grass is green and it looks great. The portable lights are gone too!
DeleteI agree. Forget any other project. The City's eyes and wallet is focused on the Regional Sports Complex. The rest of you can go to hell, and your City Council supports the backward ass Vina.
ReplyDeleteDon't bitch to me. Bitch to your City Council.
You're an angry little elf, aren't you 5:23?
DeleteWell, it IS all long past old.
DeleteAngy? Yes
DeleteElf? No
Taxpayer- Yes.
Lets get the Coast Areas of Cardiff, Encinitas and Leucadia annexed to Solana Beach. Now that would be a huge improvement.
9:29, yeah, Encinitas could use some more stop lights to help people get through town quicker.
DeleteAh-enter Tony Kranz and his idea of being intrigued by Logan Jenkins idea of turning PV into a Federal Detention facility. Let us not forget this when he runs again. Not only is it a stupid idea, it was stupid of Tony to respond in the way that he did. We don't even own the offing property yet, as the City still has to figure out how WE are going to pay for it. Maybe he can contribute and spend less money on his new haircut and new duds. This council is a joke, and we are all pawns in their little game of whatever Vina and his cabinet want to do. Don't step out of line folks, or you will receive nasty grams from someone.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the background story on this?
DeleteWouldn't be stupid if you made it for 6 months and taught them how to clean the place up, sweep, spackle, paint, landscape etc. for 4 hours a day.
DeleteTony can deny he thought of or endorsed the idea, but he can't deny he "took the bait". Logan, you old rascal. Wonder if Stock-boy put him up to it.
ReplyDeleteWhoever put Tony up to it is almost beside the point. That Tony rose to the bait, IS the point. I don't care if it was Jerome, Logan or whoever. All Tony would have had to do is say we don't even own the property yet, so the City cannot even comment on this. End of story. I voted for Tony. It will not happen again. My money is now on Graboi.
ReplyDeleteI predict Tony will be a one term pony.
DeleteKranz is the Dalager Black Hole reappearing - Danger Will Robinson!!!
DeleteQuail Gardens??? More like Asphalt Acres!
ReplyDeleteor Box House Blues.
ReplyDeleteIdiot question on the cities Peak Democracy web page asking how we feel about an off leash dog park. As predicted, Peak Democracy web page will be used for feel good nonsense. Thanks you council and Vina.... Notice that PD won't ask how you fell about over paid salaries and pensions.
ReplyDeleteGood point. The off-leash dog question is important, but it should be a given that the Maggie Houlihan Dog Park is in addition to, not instead of the other neighborhood off-leash dog areas.
DeleteNot true. Some parks maybe should be for kids and parents that don't want to play in dog feces and urine.
DeleteJesus, it's the first question asked on a new system and the cynics are out. 9:43 can tell the future by telling us to notice how PD hasn't asked a certain question yet.
DeleteLet us also not forget WE are actually paying $9000.00 for the non-scientific study that Peak Democracy is. And, we also have a paid communications director. To have power is one thing. To use it wisely is another. We, as citizens, do have a choice however. Vote out Shafer and Kranz in 2016 and add Julie Graboi this year. She is the real deal. If you don't trust me, and why would you, check her out for yourself. Just Google her name and see how she has fought for us over the years. No wonder Teresa, Tony and Lisa would prefer the other candidate, Blankenspear or whatever her name is. They are afraid that Graboi might actually win and expose them for who they are, which are puppets for Vina and Sabine. Does anyone remember Teresa saying when she was elected that she would get rid of Sabine? I know I do. And when she had the chance to do so, she sat on the dias and did absolutely nothing! I sure would like to know what he has on her and Tony. At least Lisa asked for a Request for Proposal to look at other attorneys. We already knew Muir and Gaspar were not going to vote to get rid of him, but Teresa-well enough said.
ReplyDeleteWhat is her position on PV, Regional Sports Park, $3million dollar Lifeguard Mctower, Streetscape and roundabouts?
Delete"Does anyone remember Teresa saying when she was elected that she would get rid of Sabine?"
DeleteAnswer: NO. Didn't happen.
I don't trust you. Why would anyone?
It did happen. I remember it well. Teresa told me on several occasions that Sabine and Planner Kerry Kusiak would be the first to go when she was part of a majority. She broke her promise and profoundly disappointed me. Now she calls the blogs "cesspools" when she formerly used these same blogs to further her own agenda.
DeleteMs. Barth is a liar. Ms. Barth signed her name to ballot statement lies on Prop A.
DeleteMs. Barth did claim she would hold misleading staff accountable- Sabien gave Cotton an extra paycheck, buried the road report and appears to have withhled information from Lew Edwards- the same tax raising firm he used in La Mesa-
Barth not only failed to hold Sabine accountable on Lew Edwards, Barth herself refused to turn over emails under a freedom of information request and then lied in her newsletter that a survey would cost $20,000 when the lowest presented bid was near $70,000 and the max bid was near $180,000-
Own it Teresa- your ethics are no differen that dirty Dan Dalager and Jerome Stocks-
If you see Barth in public acost her, ask her why she wasted our tax dollars and lied to the public. I plan to if I see her
Acost - to approach and speak to (someone) often in an angry, aggressive, or unwanted way......
DeleteNot sure that's the best way to get your point across - especially in public - might even get you arrested....heck, the mere suggestion might be construed to be a veiled threat..........words are always mightier than the sword - be careful......
- The Sculpin
Teresa stated, in more than one of her "get Tony and Lisa elected" regularly-held planning sessions a couple of years ago, that she would get rid of Sabine as her #1 first step with a majority on the Council.
DeleteWho ever you are, Mr./Mrs. "Never Happened," you were most certainly not at those meetings along with a good 15+ attendees most weeks. Sorry if you don't like it, but it happened, yes indeedy. She said she'd rid us of him, she didn't. End of story.
Accost originally meant to approach and address. It does not have to be in an angry manner, or with harmful intent. People misuse the word so much, that meaning has now been "added." Our language is changing, not always for the better . . .
Delete12:31, That's sick!
DeleteAnnex Cardiff, old Encinitas and Leucadia to Solana Beach? Seriously? That's a great idea! Should be explored!
ReplyDeleteYes -and Olivenhain will go to Rancho Santa Fe.........ha..
Delete- The Sculpin
Annex Sculpin to the Vina stooge gallery.
DeleteOr just get rid of Sabine and Vina, until that happens Encinitas has no chance.
ReplyDeleteVina....Only govt rewards failure. Only Enc would hire a CM that has been rejected by his previous employers.
DeleteNo worries. We will soon have a Federal Dentention Facility at Pacific View. Maybe they feds will even pay for it. Now that is whatI call creative financing. We should all call TOny and thank him.
ReplyDeleteAll I know right now about Graboi is Teresa hates her, and she and Lisa are actively trying to get Catherine B. to fill the Council position. That's all I need to vote for Graboi.
ReplyDeleteOne difference between Catherine and Graboi is that Graboi supported and helped get Prop. A passed. Catherine did not.
ReplyDeleteAnother difference between the two is that Julie will not sell us out. She is being supported by the same people who supported Teresa and Tony and now realize that they are not what they said they were. At a gathering the other evening, there were about 75 people for Graboi, including Maggie's widower, Ian. Teresa has not spoken to Julie in about 3 years. More on that at another time. However, it does have to do with the housing element, and about 200 surveys the city never tallied. That's why some people are concerned about Peak Democracy. ow many of you took your little dots and put them on certain parts of the City. How did that work out for those of us who did it?
DeletePeak Democracy is a scam to get us to not have oral communications at the City Council meetings. Don't believe me? Then why are they tracking how many hours of oral communication the posts would have taken.
ReplyDeleteWho is giving feedback?
From the Peak Democracy site that the City has put up.
135 positions were submitted. That's 6.8 hours of public comment @ three minutes per position.
Hello 10:13
DeleteWow. I never looked at the use of Peak Propaganda in the way you described.
It can certainly be a tool to limit public input at city hall and the enable city leaders to control public debate.
For instance the city is able to see who is opposing their proposed plans and if those in opposition are well known within the community. This could allow city leaders to further refine what does or doesn not get put on the agenda.
Interesting observation 10:13. I supported Barth and Shaffer- this was before I knew the two of them were for social engineering and changing zoning and codes and regulations to control our lives-
That they are tracking oral communications equivalent is telling, and a bit disgusting, in my opnion.
11:09 - are you from Nigeria? Your English is impeccable!
Delete11:34
DeleteDo you have a point ? Can you contribute anything to the discussion?
10:13 Have you even looked at Peak Democracy? Unless you choose to show it, your name is no more visible than it is here. It can't be used to suppress any kind of speech at city hall. That is ludicrous. You could post your opinion there and the go to the city hall meetings, say the same thing and no one would stop you or know any better. If you're that much of a conspiracy theorist, then you should just stay away from any and all political related subjects.
Delete8:35 you do need to register to sign on right? and that does leave an IP address correct?
DeleteHmmm- sounds to me like Big Brother very much knows who is or is not leaving comments
Well 11:09 you could surround city hall and block the city from doing business much like the citizens of murrieta did yesterday to block the arrival of illegals.
ReplyDeleteThe govt should fear it's citizens.
12:05-Not exactly sure what you point is? I was just saying that it is interesting the ways in which the City could use Peak Democracy, that we citizens are paying for. How does that amount to blocking the city from doing business? This city was incorporated in 1986. It seems to have been doing business a long time before this new Peak Democracy thing came into being. Perhaps you could share your logic? Now, Tony intrigued by Logan's idea of a Federal Detention Facility would make more sense with the comment you posted.
ReplyDeleteExactly, and when the sheriffs attempt to open the blockade, surround the sheriffs from all sides.
Delete1:14
DeleteI liked your observation, thank you for sharing. The city has a long history of lying to taxpayers and working against the taxpayers.
1. Buried the nichols road report -sabine
2. gave ex city manager xtra paycheck-sabine
3. refused to do an EIR at the park- turns out the place is toxic
4. $43M behind in road repairs
5. Lied on Prop A ballot statement
6. Attempted to rewrite city policies to limit free speech at council meetings
7. Hired facilitator who did not tell teh truth about citizens committee on zoning
8. Ran a bogus dot exercise to manufacture data against interest of residents
Fact Thrower
Well, we are now up to this number.
ReplyDelete142 positions were submitted. That's 7.1 hours of public comment @ three minutes per position.
Not necessarily, I would never go to city all and allow them to tape my words. But I will come to this blog and others and post comments based on reason and logic. There is no reason and logic at city hall.
DeleteAll by 6 people.
ReplyDeleteI'm not always happy with the outcome. but it's pretty hard to beat a system of staff making recommendations; council responding with pros and cons; the public weighing in personally; a final decision made and all done on camera each week to be archived for anyone's online reference anytime. Peak Democracy takes a lot of the personality of that exchange and makes it very dull if not impossible for anyone to research and identify anyone's input. But at the same time pidgeon holes people. The Jehovah' Witnesses used to be crafty that way if they aren't still. When they leave a house after interacting with someone at the door, they kept a log of responses so they'd know exactly how to approach that person the next time with what they like or do not. Oh well, at least they're there in person and not using Peak Theology yet.
ReplyDelete7:04- And we didn't pay them to come to our door. We, the citizens are paying for this. The city says it is only $9000.00 per year. What a bargain. Many commissions in our City would do it for free, and we don't necessarily need a communications expert for Peak Democracy, as it has already been pointed out that it is not statistically significant in any way. Peak Democracy told that to the City going in.
ReplyDeleteShaffer already telling people peak not statistically sound. That's $9K down the toilet. Of your money.
DeleteWhy would it need to be statistically sound? This isn't a scientific study being done. I'm starting to learn that this city, or this blog at least, is full of people who are scared of change and progress. They would all like to sit in their dark rooms in front of their glowing screens and shake a pruned fist at anything that is different.
DeleteGee, um, I dunno...maybe so when the city uses the results to make decisions, said results actually represent what residents really want? Just a thought there....
DeleteChange is not always a bad thing. Change based on bogus opinion polls does not feel safe. That is not "progress."
Something like Peak Democracy was envisioned by Barth to allow her a 'wall' between council decisions and citizen input.
DeleteAlso, the council and staff recognized that the 'affect' or actions of a very few, yes, Westbrook, Marr, Audet, C.J., Turney and especially Lindermann... made regular, one or two time visitors to the council uncomfortable, which precluded participation in person at the public hearings, so they believed they needed another way, opportunity for voters to express their opinion: the initial experiment with the online question of voters about dog parks shows quite clearly, not online but in the near incoherent rage of correspondents to and from each other, that someone that knows what they are doing should be in charge of this new ETown Hall, its not The Patch. As long as you have lunatic fringe-ers like Audet, Turney and Marr abusing their first amendment rights and turning each public meeting into the French revolution without guillotines, you will find the council and staff attempting to reach out to the regular or normal residents who as Bond once remarked,"Just want to drink a cold beer and watch American Idol when they get home at night."
7:23
Delete"Abusing their rights to free speech"
Thank you for revealing your idiocy and that you are actually a facist wearing brown shirt hihg density developer seeking to stifle freedom of expression rather than promoting the community participation Barth and Shaffer claim to want to represent.
In your world community participation is only encoruaged when it supports the council. This isn't community participation it si community manipulation.
Thank you for revealing your support of government control and the trampling of rights afforded all under the Constitution. Happy 4th of July comrade
So, I guess Bob bond, one of the founders of this City, abuses his first amendment rights, as does a whole lot of other people who speak, including Judy Graboi, Sheila Cameron, Sandy Shapiro, the list goes on. Hard to believe that Council is afraid of Bob Bonde, who is in his 80's. Hard to believe with the amount of sheriff power sitting at every council meeting that any citizen should be afraid of speaking. But, I guess since it is getting to look more like the USSR in our country it makes sense. God forbid you question authority, as Benjamin Franklin said we should. Before long, if you say what the "authorities" don;t like you will be in a psych. facility. Don't believe me. Check out Laura's Law, some our country supervisor is trying to get through. All I can say is we had better start speaking out, as the everyday citizen is losing big time, and yes, when you sign onto Peak Democracy you have to give your name. It many not show up if you don't want to, but to register you must sign your name, address, etc. Think about this, how much could the city sell that information for? Another profitable venture, all from your rather stupid, or very smart, city council.
DeleteSimple - don't take the survey.
Delete7:23-
DeleteLast time Audet was at city hall he exposed Vina and the Barth Shaffer Kranz tax scheme for what it was.
Audet showed the evidence that Vina knowingly withheld financial information from the public and the council regarding the true cost provided to Mr. Vina of the Lew Edwards proposed scope of services.
Audet also exposed the lies and misinformation Ms. Barth wrote in her newsletter that the survey would only cost $20,000. No where in the the Lew Edwards cost estimate was the service limited to $20,000
After Audet showed the evidence the council took the tax hike off the table. According to Shaffer she along with Barth and Kranz wanted a tax hike to take an estimated $5 million dollars out of the hands of taxpayers and 'redistribute' that money to city hall.
You might not mind higher taxes and giving your money to the bankrupt failed policies of Gus Vina and city hall but I do.
Thankfully there are people who would rather watch the shady dealings of city hall and waste of tax money rather than American idol.
Enjoy your couch and beer.
Lunatic fringe is council. Vote for Julie Graboi, seldom does a candidate of this caliber show up.
DeletePretty soon Gus will have to hire someone to watch out for what Peak Dimwit is doing. Nothing like an extra Cabinet Member, hey Gus?
ReplyDeleteThat doesn't even make sense.
Delete11:07-Of course no one has to take the survey. But that begs the next question? If no one takes it, why are we paying Peak Democracy and a new Communications person? From what I can tell this is the only she has done. Perhaps others know more.
ReplyDelete11:35 If no one takes the survey, that will show the council that it was a big waste of money and they would learn from the lesson to not spend money needlessly. I have high hopes, but I know they are too high.
DeleteThe results will be exactly the way the city manager and council designed them. Next thing we will hear is they need to raise taxes and hire more staff because that is what the survey indicated. We our here in never never land, will not know one way or the other.
Do remember the icing on every failed survey is when Lisa/Teresa/Tony/Gus blame residents for not participating. We at least have that to look forward to.
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